/v/ - Video Games

>>14404741

Making TMs reusable and removing the need for HMs by making it a kind of item instead are pretty good. Now if only they could get rid of that EV secret stat bullshit.

The best Poketman game is always that one whicht has the monstars from the show that air when you come home from elementary school.

>>14404776

Holy shit are you fucking 12

>>14404741

>So, /v/, do you think the original Red/Blue were generally better than the modern Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon games?

No, because the originals were complete shit remembered fondly by Genwunner faggots

Pokemon peaked at Gen 4 though

I am not able to satisfactorily answer your questions so I'll just wait for people to post porn.

>>14404741

Red/Blue was a broken mess of a game. A great concept, and fun enough for children back in the day.

The games steadily improved with each iteration, until around the time of 5th gen, I'd say. While the games were fun, Game Freak stopped Improving the games and instead gave planned obselesence to each new game.

Features present on the GBA do not exist on the3ds games, despite no reason not to have them. THey try to both be a casual game and an esport, but without having any real input from the people who actually play.

They throw in ideas that completely change the games and then try to backpedal, only to make worse problems than before. Every team now has a tapu and an ultra beast, because it can, and nothing is stopping them from being the most OP pokemon.

I haven't played Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. What they stripped out of Sun and Moon was not restored in those games, and I had no reason to play through alola again just for four new mons.

The first gen still has the best designs. The gameplay has probably only improved. I don't know. Haven't played one since Gold.

The switch game will be a slightly enhanced 3DS game, because Gamefreak are always behind the times.

>>14404825

They're simple and effective. I like the fact that most of them are just slightly altered versions of existing animals.

>>14404833

>I like the fact that most of them are just slightly altered versions of existing animals.

I think the best Pokemon designs are ones that strike a good balance between being grounded in reality and being fantasy designs.

If a design is too grounded it feels mundane and uninspired, but if it's too fantasy then the suspension of disbelief is lost and it no longer feels believable. That's why Digimon designs were always garbage

>>14404833

does that not describe things from any gen? You mean to tell me that rowlett doesn't look like a fucking owl?

>>14404849

It looks cool

It's actually pretty shit, and the only interesting ting it has going for it is locked behind its secret ability.

>>14404852

Alola is definitely the most shit region and Gen 7 was by far the most linear Pokemon gen

I hope the rumors are true and the next game takes place in a rendition of 'Straya because that sounds a hell of a lot more exploration-centric than the linear bullshit islands of Alola

>>14404859

have you never seen a dragon before, Anon?

>>14404864

87% male

>>14404876

Definitely not one that mated with a fighter jet.

>>14404888

>remove the need for HMs

They already did, and it's shit

Gen 1 through 5 are all better than gen 6 through 7

>>14404887

you missed out

>>14404825

Gen 1 wasn't overdesigned. It was made to look like fantasy while being believable, hence the modified animal look on most of them.

This is back when every RPG had animal enemies but they were always wild out there creatures like 3ft tall rats with unicorn horns, seemingly naturally developing flesh wounds, and 1ft long claws but still just called Rat. Compare that to Raticate the sorta big and square rat and you see why the modest designs were good.

Less is more for a reason anon.

>>14404932

A race full of fuciboys, Pokemon is full of homos.

>>14404741

Improvements

>Abilities

>Phys/Spec split

>Physical being split into attack and defence

>Double battles

>Reusable TM's

>Breeding

>Most type balance

Middle Ground

>Crit changes?

>HM removal (while it sucked, it added a gameplay challenge)

>Competitive balance

Detriments

>Difficulty, handholding

>Story pace and reliance on drawn out dialogue

>Linearity

>Gimmick battle modes (hordes, battle royal etc)

>Dumping 6+ legendaries per game holy fuck I thought these were supposed to be rare

>Retreading very similar ground with many pokemon types

>Special, exclusive and rare pokemon becoming substantially less special, exclusive and rare

>Dragon type going from 3 members, 4 in gen 2, to 9 in gen 3, and to the eventual point that they needed to add fairy type to nerf them

>Starter bias got worse for a while there, might be recovering now

I get the feeling someone is going to pick apart my criticisms and call me a genwunner.

>>14404741

>What has improved?

Fucking nothing.

The games now are dumbed down so even the dumbest motherfucker on reddit can walk in a straight line without failing and finish the game.

Every new pokemon is retarded and I hate them.

>>14404832

You posted it.

I'd attach images but I'm not on my normal machine

There's also some autist here that really hates Braixen.

>>14404970

As if the older games were difficult. I could beat red when I was 5 and didn't even know english. Pokemon is and has always been a game for kids

>>14404913

Bui please go

>>14404932

Doesn't this just mean I'd hug the other 12.5%

>>14404980

Yes, but you could walk left and right without the game popping up a million messages saying you can't go that way until you do this thing that you're clearly told about.

Back then you at least had to talk to townsfolk or find some shit to progress.

Modern pokemon does even that for you now.

>Hey faggot see that thing over there?

>Go and do this and that with it

>then that tauros blocking the path will magically disappear

It felt like the game was in tutorial mode until you finished the last island.

>>14405039

Please stay bui, this place needs another purge

>>14404980

Anon have you played Sun/Moon? If you follow the linear story and battle every trainer on a route, you will be drastically overlevelled against anything you fight. Not to mention, every time you enter a new area, they give you 10x pokeballs/potions of whatever level you are. Ten free fucking ultraballs, in a game where it already throws money at you.

Still not as shitty as that one generation, I can't remember which, where the first gym is the type your starter is weak against, but they give you the pokemon that is strong against it before you go in, and then the second gym is literally normal type and they still feel the need to tell you to go catch some fighting types up the road. That was embarrassing.

>>14405049

I'm not Bui

>>14404962

Fuck that, I've been playing since gen 1 and you're spot fucking on, mate. call me a genwunner idgaf

>>14405069

Where can you get one?

>>14404819

I was happily fondling my balls until I saw that. Now I've got to coax them back out from hiding along with my dick

>>14405083

Feet? Nah, I just think furrets are cute.

Isn't Bui that sperg who hid some ddos .swf in Imgur to slow down this site?

>>14404825

They were all recognisable and easy to remember though.

I'll save everyone some time in this thread:

https://e621.net/post?tags=pokemon+order%3Ascore

>>14405127

Non-gay shit

https://e621.net/post/index/1/pokemon%20female%20solo%20order:score

>>14405127

>>14405128

all gay shit

https://e621.net/post/index/1/pokemon%20male%20solo%20order:score

>>14405127

>>14405128

>>14405130

FTFY

https://e621.net/post/index/1/female%20pokémon%20rating:e%20order:score

>>14405138

What does that do? I'm a little rusty on my search terms

>>14405136

I thought he did it 'cause everyone made fun of his daiper fetish or something.

>>14405146

"rating:e" limits the search to Explicit posts.

>>14405150

Who would post non-porn on e621?

>>14405128

Why not just use -gay? That way you get images where the gender is "ambiguous" [there's no vagina shown so you can't be sure :^)].

>>14405114

>Not all new pokemon are bad.

IT'S SHIT AND I HATE IT

looks okay though, wasted on a shit game

>>14404962

>Abilities

Very useful, too bad you can only change them in some fangames/romhacks.

>Phys/Spec split

It was one of best ideas they had.

>Physical being split into attack and defence

I think you meant special.

>Double battles

Fact.

>Reusable TM's

I still wonder why they waited to Gen 5 for this. It averted my hoarding of these items and almost never using them.

>Breeding

It still way too tedious. They should reduce max IVs from 31 to 10.

>Most type balance

Some should get better balance like Rock and Ice.

>Crit changes?

I don't remember anything about this.

>HM removal (while it sucked, it added a gameplay challenge)

It was just annoying. I prefer when it's replaced by key items.

>Competitive balance

I don't care about this.

>Difficulty, handholding

Yes, it's most annoying thing about mainline games.

>Story pace and reliance on drawn out dialogue

Story never was a strong point of mainline. For this there were some spinoffs and fangames.

>Linearity

It always was stupidly linear. They rather won't do pseudo open world game, where you can go straight from point A to point B if you wanted to without using main routes.

>Gimmick battle modes (hordes, battle royal etc)

I liked some of these. Like triples and hordes sound like good way to get more exp faster.

>Dumping 6+ legendaries per game holy fuck I thought these were supposed to be rare

Yes, legendary pokemons were mistake. It got kind of stupid in third gen.

>Retreading very similar ground with many pokemon types

Almost all of these are route 1 trash. Common birb, some rodent and electric mouse in almost all games.

>Special, exclusive and rare pokemon becoming substantially less special, exclusive and rare

They probably did that to just avoid autist butthurt.

>Dragon type going from 3 members, 4 in gen 2, to 9 in gen 3, and to the eventual point that they needed to add fairy type to nerf them

Dragon is still stupidly powerful anyway. Majority of fairy type pokemons are sugary trash anyway.

>Starter bias got worse for a while there, might be recovering now

Not really. There aren't any reasons to not use them, when you get them every single time.

>>14404962

Detriments

>Mega Evolution

Specially since it is not even consistent across the roster, it appeared that starters would all get one but they didn't, it would appear that legendaries wouldn't need any but some of them got it, it would appear that certain non-evolving pokemon would need it more but very few got it, then they decide to not include all of them in all games that feature them, and then they drop them for the next generation.

>>14405182

>Crit

In Gen 1 it was based off speed, or something to that extent, which has some obvious balance issues.

>Starter bias

When I say that, I mean one starter was usually substantially better than the others or one starter was substantially worse than the others. Usually the grass type is the one that gets shafted because of vulnerability to flying, bug, fire, poison and ice if they're mono-typed, and doesn't seem to get types that help eliminates those weaknesses.

>>14405182

>too bad you can only change them in some fangames/romhacks

There's an item called an ability capsule. You can get it from the battle facility shops that let you change a pokemon's abilities if they have a second standard one.

>>14405182

>Breeding

>It still way too tedious. They should reduce max IVs from 31 to 10.

Not to mention the time it takes to get an egg.

>criticals

Crits were based on speed in gen 1, that's why Rattatas were a pain to deal with at the beginning.

>>14405161

>>14405150

I wonder how many people I caused to fap with those posts…

>>14405350

Not when they look like that shit.

Imagine owning that pokemon and being stared at while going through town as your gothitelle wobbles while walking due to her retarded body. It's either that or gothitelle has some pretty sick abs

>>14405387

Maybe it's just 10 layers of progessively baggier bloomers.

Like a matryoshka doll but for 2hus pokemon

>>14405263

Oh. I almost never do these.

>>14405245

>In Gen 1 it was based off speed, or something to that extent, which has some obvious balance issues.

I see. Now I remember it.

>When I say that, I mean one starter was usually substantially better than the others or one starter was substantially worse than the others.

You're right, but I really don't know what could be done about this.

>Usually the grass type is the one that gets shafted because of vulnerability to flying, bug, fire, poison and ice if they're mono-typed, and doesn't seem to get types that help eliminates those weaknesses.

I think only Turtwig evo got secondary type until that owl showed up.

>>14404932

>restart over and over until i get a female

>spend god knows how long capturing a wild female riolu

>also get female goodra, gardevoir and sylveon

>spend entire game imagining that i fuck all of them

>max out affection on all of them to this effect

The rarer a female is, the more value it has when you want to fuck it.

>>14404741

>So, /v/, do you think the original Red/Blue were generally better than the modern Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon games? What has improved?

Game Corner is missing but it was always just a fun distraction anyway. Also Gen 7 is missing rotation and triple battles. Otherwise the newer games are better in every way. I especially appreciate Items, abilities, reusable TMs, and the Physical/Special split

>>14404771

>secret stat bullshit

EVs can be seen and modified since gen 6

IVs can be seen and modified since gen 7

before that they could still be controlled but it was harder

>>14405052

Older games were only harder to you because you didn't know what to do. The pokéballs and potions are just items you would buy anyway if you know what to do. The real reason they give you those items is so you can spend the money on clothes instead.

>>14405181

>confirmed for not actually playing gen 5

Gen 3 > Gen 2 > Gen 4 = Gen 5 > Gen 7 > Gen 1 > Gen 6

Someone on the Sun & Moon team thought that they were supposed to make an anime instead of a game. So we got all these long winded, unskippable cutscenes and the rest of the game suffered for it.

Even with a remake, there's no where to explore, and the limited bit of exploration you get is mostly RNG (The Ultra Wormhole ride thing, for example)

If they want to be a JRPG then they should commit to the bit and make a JRPG, same for if they want an E-sport. Trying to be both at the same time is the problem.

Also, they threw balance out the window with UBs.

>>14405445

>not actually playing gen 5

Why would I waste my time?

Pokemon was shit after Crystal

They fucked the aesthetic completely after Gen 2. It went from being "Studio Ghibli Presents: The 20th Century" to a generic modern fantasy world. Pokemon tried to become Digimon as Digimon tried to become Pokemon.

Listen to this and try to imagine it in 4-bit monoaural bleeps and bloops while looking at a monochrome screen with no backlight, powered by AAs.

This is the feel of the original Pokemon world.

>>14405457

I got it because sylveon's my favourite, essentially.

And i hadn't played a pogeymon game since red/blue when i was a kid.

>>14404780

>peaked

Nosedived?

>>14405245

>>14405428

Idea that has probably never been posted before:

Game Freak was right to tie a secondary stat to Speed. It just should have been evasiveness instead of critical hits.

>>14405493

You also replied before bothering to read it seems.

>>14405505

At least she's long enough to fit your dick.

Pokemon peaked at gen 4, more specially heart gold & soul silver.

G&S were the best games interns of world/storyline(for lack of better term)

Combine with the improvements of gen 3 and 4, you get best games in series.

Gen 5 really don't add much, it felt more like gen 4.5 rather than gen 5.

Gen 6 it jumped the shark, and has been shit ever since.

>>14405493

I'm not against modernization, but they completely changed the base feel of the world. By all means, add abilities, natures, more regions, etc. But they even dropped the original nostalgic watercolor art from the originals and went full steam on the made-for-anime-and-toy-merchandise saturated colors as the official look, to the point that the original art now looks out of place next to the rest of the franchise.

>>14405500

The composition is of similar style, informing the atmosphere. You can tell a lot about a fictional world by the music that plays in it.

>>14405428

Bulbasaur was Poison type. Chesnaught was fighting at full evo. Otherwise you're right. Also Fighting/Grass comes with all the weaknesses of grass as well as 4x weakness to flying and weakness to psychic, so that was a disaster.

>>14405445

The older games weren't hard, but they were harder. Just look at the array of pokemon you had leading up to Brock and Misty. It was pretty shitty, with no pokemon being strong vs Brock except for Squirtle and Bulbasaur, and only Bellsprout, Pikachu and Bulbasaur being good vs Misty. Gen 2 also had some potentially unfortunate match ups for the first three gyms.

>>14405540

Ah, wait. Here's the song I was thinking of. These melodies, counter melodies, and choice of tempo clearly show a late 19th/early 20th century aesthetic. Some of the peppier tunes even start resembling Maple Leaf Rag.

>>14405500 (Checked)

It would require basically a complete overhaul of the stats and damage calculations/distributions as they exist now, but I feel like a battle system with Speed/eva tied together could be better. My perfect battle system would have

>Speedy, powerfuls mons that are tough to hit, but don't take much to knock down

>Actual defensive wall Pokemon, that can take a stellar amount of hits and aren't completely undermined by the fact that the 'defensive' types are rife with common weaknesses

>Legendaries that actually are legendary, can both give and take a big hit.

>>14405559

But then speedy mons would be glass cannons that you can never land a hit on, thus being cannons, and I personally don't like legendaries being the most powerful.

>>14405182

>>14405245

>>14405278

one other thing about critical hits other anons failed to mention: Gen 6 reduced the damage they do from 200% to 150%

>>14405494

Consider that one of the greatest determinants for how good a Pokémon is its speed.

Consider extremely powerful and fast Pokémon like Greninja, Nagadanel, Pheremosa, Marshadow, Sky Forme Shamin, Arceus, Ultra Necrozma, Deoxys, Mega Mewtwo, and Mega Rayquaza.

Now consider that evasion is the best stat in the game. Imagine trying to kill these deadly Pokémon when they have a chance to dodge every attack you throw at them.

Bad idea.

I do, but not because I think they were good games in any manner. The first generation was best simply because this horrible scam of a series took everything bad about the original games and made them even worse in every set of sequels.

>>14405582

Gen 6 was such a fuck up. I think every third game Game Freak just forgets what good design is.

>>14405413

Or maybe she is wearing a diaper full of shit

>>14405582

Well that's why it'd take pretty much a complete overhaul at this point. It's neither feasible, nor worth it to do to the series anymore. But if you could turn back to really early in the series, like staple the revamp to the Special split, then it'd be worth it.

As it stands right now, you're right, Speed is one of, if not the, greatest determinant of what makes a mon, 'good.' But if the speedy mons were low-HP pieces of glass, and defensive mons could actually be defensive, it would be more balanced, and mons with say, 80 base speed or something, could be viable to use. Again, it would require a complete overhaul though, so this whole thing is basically just a fun "What If?".

>>14405572

See above for the speed stuff. I personally just don't like the idea of a mon being "legendary" if it's shit.

>>14405634

I'd be okay with not all legendaries being combat powerhouses if they aren't supposed to be. Like, Shaymin. Or even Mew. They can be legendary for their cosmological significance, or other abilities. They should always have powerful gameplay options attached to them, but that doesn't have to be combat. Leave tearing up tracts of countryside to Mewtwo, Deoxys, and Lugia, who are basically small kaiju.

>>14405634

It doesn't have to be shit, but two things are, I don't want more landorus type BS or mega rayquaza shit either. Ideally every pokemon is good, because if you're gonna raise a pokemon and get attached to it but then be forced to dump it at the last second to put that new OP legendary in your party (which the games always fucking do) then what is the fucking point? The appeal of pokemon was always to have your special pokebro or waifu, as the case often is and to use them and be attached to them.

>>14405679

what an awful post, I need some sleep. I hope you get the gist.

>>14405679

>>14405684

Nah, I got the gist. They should be worthy, but not OP, or meta-defining.

>>14405675

That would actually be a good way to balance it.

>>14405559

You would have to figure out other balances like fixing ice from all being glass, maybe adding in preference defence boost/weakenings like have rock and ice have physical do 1/2 damage but special does 1.5, but professional fags would complain that that makes it too complex.

>>14404776

truth

i was a poorfag and never got Yellow like i wanted

>>14405707

I would figure as part of the complete overhaul, I would change how types and effectiveness interact, yeah. Even outside of the context of this "What If?", Ice needs a fuckton more resistances than it has now.

>professional fags would complain that that makes it too complex

I don't care what Smogonfags think.

>>14405734

For now, ice should be made immune to grass and water.

>>14405734

In my deepest fits of autism, I've considered working out two simultaneous wheels that effect eachother but don't overlap, by setting apart the types that only indicate their physical environment and how they interact with it. It would make a separate wheel out of Normal/Ground (Subterranean)/Swimming/Flying/Ghost (considerations for being incorporeal like immunity to non-energy moves). You'd have to add a Wind element separate from Flying (Flying keeps the electrical weakness, for example, not Wind), and Rock would take over most of Ground's role.

I have no idea how badly this would trainwreck balance, but I'm sure it'd have consequences.

>>14404741

No joke. I think that if they go totally insane and make the series open world in the same vein as BotW that it might actually rejuvenate Pokémon. Particularly if they make gameplay changes on the same level as they did for BotW vs earlier games.

They should just copy pokemon generations, the fangame.

>>14405793

Addendum: This would obviate the need for "You're not really this type but we'll let you pretend" abilities like Levitate. If it's in the air, it's Flying.

>>14405812

Pokemon is a pretty good candidate for open world. All the mechanics are pretty much made for it. You already have pokemon and scattered items to collectathon with, towns and pokecenters would be like hubs or bases, you can use your pokemon to get around like you did before, but now more interactively, and if you went into high level areas you would get you shit fucked. Seems good to me.

>>14405793

>>14405827

The way you're describing it reminds me of the two type wheels from this old Yu-gi-Oh game I had growing up. On one wheel I think it went:

Pyro>Forest>Wind>Earth>Thunder>Aqua>

and the other was like

Shadow>Light>Fiend>Dreams

In the game, the superior type automatically destroyed the direct inferior, regardless of Attack/Defence, but otherwise didn't play into battles with other types, be they on the same wheel or the other wheel. Obviously you wouldn't put an auto-win in a Pokemon game, but if I'm reading your post right, it would have the same BASIC sort of concept, right?

>>14405812

>>14405832

Sure, but cutoff from the old games no transfer to the new big generation

>>14404741

>Also, was the show ever relevant or just a phase that has overstayed its welcome?

After Orange Islands it overstayed its welcome.

>>14405470

Whoa there CRANKY

KONG!

You're ruining everything

with your jaded

NOSTALGIA in tow!

>>14405838

Pretty much. I think I originally got the idea from the latter Battle Network games, where in addition to Fire > Grass > Elec > Water > Fire there was also wheels for things like Swords (Blades), Cracking (Armor Piercing), Stealth, Seeker (I think it was called Target in the game's terms), Wind, and that sort of thing. I can never remember which games had which, as they changed a bit game to game. But the idea is there were more power wheels than just the basic elements and they usually had to do with how you could get around an enemy's defenses. Seeker attacks ignored Stealth defenses, Cracking ignored physical Shields and destroyed terrain, Wind attacks would push the enemy around and automatically destroyed energy barriers, that sort of thing.

There's just so much going on in Pokemon that you could build gameplay around that's ignored.

>>14405774

>immune to grass

Oh, sure, fuck up grass even more. Ice should be 2x to water (because entropy) and immune against it, though.

>>14405845

Why the hell would you want that?

>>14405971

More aspects of the moves could be highlighted and enhanced, sure. For example, the first thing that HAS to be done is getting rid of abilities. Change abilities to “attributes”, and rather than one per Pokémon, every Pokémon gets ALL of the abilities for its species. Yes, that means stacking things like Levitate and what not. We’ll buff Ground so that it’s not totally ruined. Doing that totally changes the viability “tiers” and shakes things up.

People often like to make a Sound type, but that’s stupid. Sound as a gameplay mechanic makes much more sense (bypassing Substitute–and should bypass other things). There are already categories for contact and “biting” moves… there could be a category of “tongue” moves, and then a new frog Pokémon with an attribute called “hallucinogen” that guarantees confusion whenever a biting or tongue move is used. Shit, I’m on mobile right now, but I have a text document of all the ideas I had over the years.

>>14406033

>Shit, I’m on mobile right now, but I have a text document of all the ideas I had over the years.

Oh man, I wanna see this autism. Truth be told, it really sounds like you have a solid base for a more in-depth pokemon battle system, hell, it doesn't even have to be tied to Pokemon

>>14405891

>X/Y

Can you nosedive when you're already sniffing shit?

>>14406222

Dawn is kurogyaru.

>>14406279

You posted what she likes showing off. It's her ass.

>>14406122

>I would've actually liked Black and White if not for its awful ending and Ash losing the League in the most retarded way possible despite all the stupid ass hype.

Don't you mean XY? Black and White was shit all around and has Ash's worse League performance.

Oh yeah! My favorite femboy did a video on this recently!

I've come to realize that Masuda and currently Ohmori are the worst things to happen to the Pokemon franchise. I understand that the only times we've really seen anybody else step up to the plate are third versions and occasionally remakes, when a real game has already been made, but Morimoto went out of his way to add postgame content in Emerald and just put the fucking Battle Frontier in HGSS, Unno added a shit ton of maps and an entirely new plot to B2W2, Iwao added a shit ton of side things that not only rewarded you for exploring but also helped flesh out the world (you can see a Comfey refersh the flower water things in Pokemon Centers, there's some Pokemon visible in the background, and a bunch of sparkles in the water that some guy says are Lumineon seriously GF get your shitty engine in order). What did Ohmori do on his first game? Ruin the entire main game, only occasionally make efforts like DexNav and the phenominal Secret Bases, and make almost zero post game content. And then he got to direct Sun and Moon because he's got the same philosophy as the director of most Pokemon games, Masuda. Basically I could totally direct a much better Pokemon game, please hire me GameFreak.

>>14406757

Its amazing how they managed to fuck of Pokemon to the point of making it almost unrecognizable and lazy. Any fan might be able to unfuck its shit up at this point. Question is more waifumon or less?

>>14406959

>when you're so gay you can fap to female pokemon, but only if you first rationalize it as a cuntboy or a mtf trap (male) wearing whorish clothes and being bimbofied

>>14404741

>do you think the original Red/Blue were generally better than the modern Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon games

No

Red and Blue were buggy messes with half thought out systems.

>>14406976

>digimon

That thread is frustrating because Cobalt selectively enforces the rules.

>splatoon

One post in a thread that lasts over two weeks is hardly shitting it up

>monhun

Zero interest in this franchise. I hide it and many other generals on sight

>>14407000

No shit he is tripsman.

>>14406999

All of the spinoffs are either bad Tetris clones, bad Panel de Pon clones, bad Mystery Dungeon clones, or just bad games like Rumble or Ranger. Even Colosseum is bad, they reskinned the sequel and released trash for the Wii and the Gamecube besides PokePark. The mainline series is gold compared to the shit you'd call spinoffs.

>>14407016

I also forgot the mediocre Pinball games. They're forgettable.

>>14407019

And you are a grade-A retard.

>>14407000

You're right we should talk about pokemon

>>14407029

There really isn't much to talk about, all people do is bitch about how the people producing and directing Pokemon now are inept but not inept enough yet to release a product that's completely unplayable.

>>14407038

If by fucked, you mean "had an unfortunate icing-based incidient while baking", then yes

>>14407038

I'm gonna need sauce.

>>14404787

Holy shit did you just come from >>>/reddit/

>>14407144

>nicobay but with a pentagram instead if a jew star

Wait what

I'm so fucking tired arguing with pokefags.

Here is the the

TRUTH

Gen 1-3 had good and bad designs but everything after that had increasingly decreased quality.

Megas were fucking retarded.

Game Freak has added fucking nothing to the mechanics for years but constantly fills it with worthless filler.

>>14407224

Whats there to argue about? Its true.

Last game I bought was gen 5 and 6. I didn't get the sequels and I didnt get SM.

>new mons come out

>theyre either a replacement for pidgey and ratatta route 1 trash or theyre a niche meme thats never useful

>older mons obsoleted but kept around for ???

>you can fill the pokedex but theres older legendaries you have to transfer over so you might as well just catch your versions, then transfer everything up again

Seriously so many bloated things. Are beauty contests still a thing? Why does bulabpedo have stats for them. Why do they need to set aside space for glaceon and leafeon? Only a handful of pokemon use stones to evolve why are they still here?

>a million held item evos

>can only get them postgame or from battle subway/tower, so enjoy your needless grinding

>>14407217

Anyone who browses an imageboard at work deserves to be fired anyway.

>>14407243

Gamefreak has this weird problem where they'll get rid of features for basically no reason, but they'll also refuse to change any of the old pokemon to fit them into their new game designs. Early pokemon were designed with a much different intent behind their visuals and gameplay, and many of them are archaic because of it.

Tauros will never, ever be useful again because they'd have to give it a lot more than new moves and abilities.

>>14407243

I don't know about you but for years there was denial about mega's being the decline of the series.

>>14407264

Where? I remember people shitting on them since they were first shown.

>>14407264

Gen 5 was probably one of the last high points. Mostly because you had a parallel with most of Gen 1.

Fire horse? Thunder horse.

Sludge? Garbage.

Eggs? Ice cream.

>>14407278

Don't forget the fire moth, that thing was fucking sick.

>>14407272

When mega's came out it was pre-exodus or right around then and there was a huge "pro" 4-8chaim group who saw mega's as a huge mechanical improvement which added loads of "depth"

>>14407289

I mean, I guess megas could be alright if they were exclusively reserved to shitmons, but we'll never know, will we?

Personally, I like the afro buffalo myself.

>>14407294

Its frustrating because the pokemon that got them were completed arbitrary, didnt include all the pokemon, and some got TWO. Not even all the starters either.

Then, the next game added more

Then you need an arbitrary item to use it, again probably gated off to post game or some dumb event you cant find normally (or worse on an event pokemon).

>lets just drop it altogether the game after but still support it

>>14407294

>>14407305

I just wanted more intresting mechanics, I always like monster rancher and digimon because the devs made new mechanics and new interactions.

Pokemon has had the same formula for years with fucking gimick after gimick and when they do switch it up like Coliseum or Mystery Dungeon, they ignore it success and return to the formula they're accustomed too.

>>14407315

At a minimum, they really need to have every battle be a double battle. Preferably, sometimes you're straight outnumbered. I never played past 5th gen, so I'm not personally familiar with how horde encounters work, but 1 on 1 has always been the most boring way to play pokemon.

Actually, fuck it, Pokemon should just play like The Last Remnant. I don't care anymore.

>>14407217

If it was all Lucario furfag shit then it deserved it.

Pokémon ended at generation 2.

Crystal is the ultimate game.

There are 251 Pokémon, from Bulbasaur to Celebi.

>>14408068

Gen 2 was always my favorite, never played the remakes though. Gen 3 even back when it released seemed off to me, I only got it when emerald got released and It just didnt feel like the old pokemon.

It was when there were the classic spinnoffs, like pokemon snap, stadium, collesseum and pinball.

>>14407315

>Coliseum or Mystery Dungeon

Weren't those done by different teams from the main series?

4th gen was the high-point of the series tbh. Post-Black/White pokemon is horrible.

>>14408056

>hating on knotdog

>>14407258

Tauros is still fairly decent.

Also, since gen V new abilities and moves have made old pokémon much more useful, such as mutltiscale, Sticky Web, and the weather abilities. In Gen V Politoed and Kingdra of all things was one of the most frequently encountered pokémon in multiplayer because of drizzle.

>>14408881

You like weather and how they make old shitmons usable?

TOO FUCKING BAD FAGGOT

>>14404876

>dragon

>it's a Wyverin

Get out normalfriend

>>14409314

I thought it was Chinese Dragon.

>>14409314

I thought that was a wyrm?

>>14409231

>In some areas however I think nostalgia blinds people to the truth they don't want to hear

Sometimes I wonder if you fucks know what nostalgia is really like. When I had nostalgia for Quest64 I superimposed the box cover art over the whole game in some weird combination of the actual game's graphics and what the blurry mess I only half-remembered looked like. Even the shit I do remember clearly I had replaced the blurry low poly with a crisper higher res texture and the vague obscure details of low poly models completely changed what the enemies looked like.

And I only remember the forest, and I thought the boss looked like a pokemon. Nostalgia isn't just "oh well i think the game is good cause I like that gameplay and i still play it" no, nostalgia outright fucks with your mind and memories and this shit doesn't happen overnight it takes a long time because it's a gradual transformation.

The gameplay formula for Pokemon hasn't changed much, you could goand play Red/Blue and beat the game without instructions if you've played any other pokemon game. The real bullshit is finding all the hidden pokemon when you try to collect everything. Plus lack of UI polish compared to recent games and lack of good minigames. In order for nostalgia to kick in you'd have to have not played any pokemon game for for over a decade since Red/Blue.

>>14409412

>In order for nostalgia to kick in you'd have to have not played any pokemon game for for over a decade since Red/Blue.

Isn't that Gamefreak's main audience?

>>14409383

>>14409374

>wyrm

Mostly never with wings. Rayquaza have kind of wings as if a plane

>dragon

4 legs and 2 wings

>wyvern

2 legs and wings

>chink dragon

4 legs and no wings as a wyrm and they fly for rotational magic that's why they always are spinning in circle

>>14410386

Forgot my piece on the anime, put it down holy shit, Ash is such a god awful protag and it's annoying to see the series justify him not being able to just use his other mons, like in any case where it looks super dangerous I'd ask for my top mons to be swapped out instantly over using fucking Littan.

The show should have changed protagonist with each region to have them keep their show fresh but I can't imagine being a faggot who watched gen 1 - 7 the entire time with this retard.

I watched sun and moon since the animation change sacrificing being awfully coloured on model for having nice shading and being better animated but damn fuck ash, legit the worst part of the show and it's entire premise would have been perfect for a different protag since it's a school designed for new trainers.

>>14409610

I've always wanted them to have multiple regions like they did in gen 2 (it was impressive to fit that much content into a GBC game, but kanto was pretty barebones) . You could nab the nostalgic players if you add older regions and those who want a new place to explore. It would be hell to design and balance though.

>>14410405

SM's anime does a better job of keeping my attention than any other season. Gen 7 in general felt like it was trying to be Yokai Watch, even down to making the anime fun to watch.

>>14410444

I enjoy everything about it but Ash.

It looks nice in motion Maybe after 128 episodes of DB super I'm just glad it doesn't look complete shit though but damn I just wish the MC was like the main boy of the game or something.

>>14410386

>Emerald hack with phys/spec split

I need this

WPWYF

>>14410635

>There was a novelization for the anime and it made the world seem pretty dark.

To be honest, Pokemon world would be awful to live in.

There are numerous ways to die painfully in it.

Including being smashed, crushed, minced, burned to ashes, killed with high-pressure geyser, eaten by aggressive plant, electrocuted to death with 100 MV, frozen to bone, killed with rock ejected with Gauss cannon-tier of power, buried alive, die from several kinds of poison, your inner organs slurped by giant bugs, mentally lobotomized by some psychic pokemon, get banished to netherworld by evil ghosts, get your shit fucked by martial arts masters, get pichun'd by numerous laser attacks, get BTFO'd by hurricanes and several more that I don't want to even think about.

>Ash's dad was a traveling trainer and just knocked up Ash's mom when he visited Pallet Town and left.

Ouch.

>There's not many jobs in the world and if a gym leader loses 3 times he loses his job so they sometimes bribe challenges. Or at least that's what my friend who read them a while back says.

Just 3? When they need to win 100 battles in row to become official gym?

>>14409412

Nostalgia is when you keep coming back to that shitty game from your childhood that you liked so much, not because it's good but because you have pleasant memories associated with playing it. Like those fags who keep insisting that genwun is the best gen while it looks and plays like ass, to each their own and everything but when you're trying to pass off your opinion as objectively the best one then you need to kill yourself.

>>14410228

Wyverns have venomous barbed tails

Mega evolutions weren't that bad of an addition as it brought a new element of guessing the opponent in multiplayer. Mind games can be done by having a couple of mega-capable pokemon in your team and have the opponent try to guess which one you will be sending out.

Now ultra beasts, those were the mistake. Their designs look too alien for Pokemon. Game Freak should have focused on adding more mega evos to the weaker mons that sorely need that extra competitive edge.

Gen 7 was bad for hand-holding, exploration, and rail-roading you from plot point to plot point, but Totem Pokemon (and Ultra forcing you to fight some legendaries instead of catch) was a step in the right direction.

Instead of getting into a potion fight with the opposing trainer, fighting something WAY above the level curve with stat boosts meant you had to chip it down and almost use your whole party. Assuming you didn't use EXP share, EXP boosting items, or tried to grind to match it's level.

Problem is- I don't think Game Freak realizes they made a step in the right direction. Their reason was much more likely to be "I dunno, this is different, should work for marketing".

Future games could make good use of it, Gym Leader's/Team whatever Boss'/Rival's main Pokemon being much higher level and the trainer uses an X stat item turn one. Or Legendary Pokemon can't be caught, but must be beaten (or they always hold on with 1 HP and only then does their capture rate go back to normal).

Movesets for Pokemon have also improved, with the moves learned by leveling up being much more varied instead of roughly 10 moves with maybe 2 or 3 damaging moves.

>>14412451

Oh look, someone's cute fanfi…

>Reads title

This is why I stopped at Gen II

>>14412407

That's how you know they're from halfchan or reddit. Report and move on.

>>14404803

> Muh genwunners LoL! jej

Ah yes, Gen 4, the underagefag's first Pokemon game from the mainstream popularity of the Nintendo DS.

Gen 3 GBA graphics/aesthetic were the best and all the games could be improved by going back to them (not counting gen 1 or 2 since we got LeafGreen/FireRed).

>>14410728

Don't bully the pata

>>14413095

>it's a boogeyman

Reported for not even attempting to hide how new you are.

>>14413130

>appearing from recently

They've always been here, dumbass. They just want to be backseat moderators because they think they can stop this website from dying. They can't.

>>14413134

Sure, Reddit or Halfchan-like posting has always been pointed out and made fun of, but now it just seems random. Almost like they're trying to make the site die faster by annoying everyone and screaming about it.

>>14410315

yeah they advertised it like it would be another town to visit

>>14413453

See a psychiatrist.

>>14404741

I remember watching the show, getting up to the Mewtwo movie, and wondering what Ash was ever going to do to finally stop Team Rocket. Then the show kept going and he never did anything about them. It too me to playing up until Hoho to realize that I was being had as a corporate cow. Psyduck will always be my favorite. It hurts to know that Pokemon will never have a completed arc.

>>14413553

Read the manga if you want actual plots and resolutions.

>>14413565

>reading Edgy Pokemon Monthly

yeah nah

>>14413565

I don't care anymore, it was just something my childhood felt deprived of. It was shitty that they trapped those characters in an endless loop of nothingness.

>>14413180

I don't care about that kind of pussy though.

>>14413582

And they're still doing it. Ash hasn't improved as a character, and keeps getting reset with every new region. He could be 25 and married to Misty by now, but that's not "kid friendly."

Actually, they should really do that since Japan is starting a nationwide agenda to increase the population.

>>14413601

I would use them in capturing female trainers instead.

>>14412171

If you had a universe with living things capable of even spraying a 50 psi jet of water (typical water pressure found in housing and has no chance of hurting a Human if sprayed on them) and NOT hurting themselves the entire make up of said universe would need to be much different and sturdier.

In short if they can do this magical crap in the first place AND live to do it again you could tolerate it.

>>14407027

get out weeb

>>14413453

You still post here?

>>14405555

I loved the old games music so much, it was fun to listen to and got you hype for the adventure to come

>>14405675

Agreed

>>14404741

Feels as if the newer iteration of games have lost the feeling of exploration and wonder that the originals had. I originally thought it was just me remembering my childhood fondly, but after replaying pokemon blue, I realized that wasn't the case. The newer games lack that feeling of a grand adventure, and being isolated from the world inbetween towns or when travelling through caves.

As an example, take pokemon gold/silver. It ends with you fighting Red at what feels like the end of the world. You're in an entirely different area, so far from home, and far as all hell from town, and you have this epic final confrontation between the two of you, as the greatest test of your abilities.

Or when you finally get Giovanni to come back to the gym. It feels monumental. Giovanni actually feels dangerous and it felt like you travelled a long way since first seeing the closed down gym, to that moment. The new games lack this.

>>14410501

Here's the mod for the full dex, but i dont know about the split

>>14427579

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1991/

>>14427568

Also having forced "friend" interactions out the ass and having them be fucking everywhere, while dumb story sections bog down passing through every town really pulls the free adventure feel out

>>14428146

>Having to right click open image over pressing view image makes it obsolete.

Anon..

>>14428166

>Implying this is my webm.

>>14404819

>That makes me Cloist

>>14405634

>if the speedy mons were low-HP pieces of glass, and defensive mons could actually be defensive, it would be more balanced,

They are low HP to some extent, not that it matters because you can just slap a sash on those and get a free dance, and don't even get me started on memekyu

>>14405832

I dunno, man. Consider that any challenge provided by the game is by level difference. In an entirely open world pokeman game, you'll be beefgated from many areas, ruining the purpose. Until you get a lucky pokeball in and catch some overleveled mon, at which point you've made any areas 5 levels below it's level a cakewalk.

I can't think of many ways to overcome this besides maybe level scaling, which is another can of worms (why am I even leveling up anyway?)

>>14404803

Gen 1 & 2 were original well thought out creations, culminateing in shit like professional play sandstorm tyranitor strata. Look at the retarded autistic shitfest excuse for monsters gen3 onwards has been. How you cannot realise this night and day split is beyond my inclusion of you in rationale observation. Pokemon became a fucking joke.

The only notable mainline series games were red blue yellow gold silver heart and soul.

>>14406655

>I would consider Spheal a strict improvement over Seel from Gen 1 as far as being a "not real" seal.

Spheal is a walrus

>>14431925

No, Walrein is a Walrus, and Dewgong is Dugong.

>>14431483

english isn't your first language is it