/v/ - Video Games

>>14356553

No fucking shit games should be accurate. I don't want queers, niggers, and feminists falsely placed in history. What the fucking christ is wrong with you? How is this even a question? DESTRUCTION OF HISTORY IS DESTRUCTION OF A PEOPLE.

>>14356574

Not what I meant…

I mean along of the lines of maybe seeing less fantasy-based misconceptions about simple things, like armor and medieval combat. (the vid I linked uses actual HEMA instead of movie bullshit)

>>14356600

>seeing less fantasy-based misconceptions

How is that different? Fundamentally it's the same concept–erasure of history.

>>14356604

Because fantasy games with magic and meme-based melee combat aren't marketed as historically factual.

>>14356604

>>14356647

Imagine for a moment that a fantasy game went goes the extra mile and gives a realist, historically real take on of medieval land that happens to have fae creatures and such.

>A group of men-at-arms, armed with pikes and under the command of a local noble, march through the woods. Word has come that one of the local trails have been repeatedly attacked by goblins and the lord of the region demands retaliation. Archers support from the rear, ready to take position. As they find evidence of the goblin's work, they hear odd sounds, thumping and crashing. The goblins come, but behind them is an ogre. The men-at-arms level their pikes, now realizing they had bitten off more than they could chew, but the noble orders them into formation and for the archers to ready their firing line. The archers knew this was bad, the trees would likely soak much of their volley, but what choice did they have? The ogre would sure pursue and wreak havoc on them should they rout. No magic sword, no back-flipping ninja knights, gravity was working as it always had, and these poor men were about to face a creature that was essentially the size and weight of an elephant, but with far less a pleasant presence.

Granted, this is ESSENTIALLY what Warhammer Fantasy did, albeit with varying degrees of success and failure

>>14356553

>medieval fantasy games

honestly I wish they would break away from the medieval setting, it's overused. Give me a fantasy game set in ancient Greece, Central/South America or Mesopotamia

but it depends on the game and what it's trying to accomplish.

>>14356750

Also this, realism for most people and most devs means autistic menus and no fun allowed mechanisms

>m-muh peoples

t. Amerimutt

>>14356750

Perhaps, but I make the argument with all sorts of fantasy. Like, for example, I was hearing someone talk about magic swords and shit in modern fantasy and I asked "Well, if you can make a sword magical, why not make a gun magical? Swords become obsolete for a reason, so following that logic wouldn't enchanters consider enchanting firearms as well?" Dude, no shit, got PISSED OFF at the idea. (btw, the third Night Watch book, Twilight Watch, addresses this… by giving people MAGIC AK-47s!)

Also, on that one, I have spoken to others about how in fantasy series and movies they always make people fight like total retards. Again, it always comes back to "muh fantasies!" but it's really not a good excuse. Proper example, The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smog. The dwarfs had a decent shield wall with massive pikes pointed outwards at the oncoming orcs. The movie stressed this as a FAILING STRATEGY despite being, quite frankly, the BEST formation POSSIBLE in such a situation, if not MOST situations of medieval combat. But no, then the fucking elves jump OVER the walls to push out and save the day by somehow disregarding proper medieval tactics and strategy and just… brawling mindlessly with flippy bullshit. And yet MANY of the people I've debated this with LIKE that aspect of the medieval fantasy. I find myself utterly confused and astounded by this.

Maybe I'm just too much of a history buff?

Low-fantasy games can be popular nigga, the fuck you talking about?

Mountain blade's existence already proves this, and chivalry from the multiplayer side

Realism is good if it's fun.

If KCD managed to be interesting without fantasy that'd be pretty impresive.

>>14356998

So far that seems to be the case

>>14356998

its mostly the bugs that are entertaining. teleporting to the top of the sky, getting stuck on doorways, seeing people T-pose, seeing enemies jump around at lightning speed, things like that. How you can break the game you're trying to play next is the most interesting part.

>>14356553

>do you think historical accuracy and realism might start creeping more and more into the mainstream

I would argue this was the reason for the early success of the Ass Creed games: being able to fuck around in a more or less accurate historical setting. Shame it was doomed from the start in the hands of Ubisoft.

>>14357188

Fair point, I never thought of that

>>14356942

>Mountain blade

>realistic

pick one

>>14356600

That is still stylized choreography. It maybe HEMA (except for the spinning that shit is retarded), but it is not representative of real fights. They are messier and less dramatic. And I am not talking about the music.

>>14357422

>>14357405

He's either pretending to be retarded or he thinks Mount & Blade and Mountain Blade are two different things.

Generic Medieval fantasy is so overdone that even the lowest medieval peasant would hate it by now. Get some new material fucking dumbshit devs. Dragons and elves were overdone in 1599. Fucking stop it.

>>14357405

>>14357422

OH, Mount and Blade. I feel retarded.

>>14357477

This.

>>14357536

Again, I don't mean niggers. I mean flippy anti-gravity bullshit, shit armor that was NEVER actually used like leather beyond the early Roman Empire and female armor with tits or using dual knives in open warfare.

>>14357410

It's a far better representation than what movies are willing to put forth most of the time. You practically have to strong-arm a director to include proper historical combat. They can't even get some of the shit in WWII to be realistic by any means, much less historically accurate.

>>14357738

It was, you are correct

>>14357738

sheesh, that's intense but one hell of a painful hobby.

>>14357319

I didn't say realistic, just that it was low-fantasy in medieval europe

>>14358132

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codpiece

>>14356553

It really goes down to what's the appeal. Kingdom Come has historical realism and accuracy. Historical accuracy of that era for a specific region is interesting, but if it's broad indistinct European culture, not so much. For example, even if I play primarily fantasy games, historically accurate portrayals of regions like Scythia or now-extinct ethnic groups would be interesting.

If you try to put fantasy in with historical accuracy, you're going to end up contradicting one or the other.

I've pulled the "I don't want realism in my fantasy games" line before in certain contexts.

>feminists complaining about female armor designs that aren't actually safe in a realistic sense

>people complaining about intentionally cartoony and goofy aspects in a game, despite the artstyle not being cartoonish in the least

>people complaining about gameplay mechanics that result in unrealism

I think in fantasy it isn't called realism, but plausibility.

I like it when my fantasy is plausible. In a well grounded realistic fantasy you have room to grow into the crazier things.

That being said, I wish kingdom come paid attention to the crazier side of medieval life. You should be able to become a mercury salesman or an astrologer wizard or something.

>>14358183

I thought of that after I posted

bully me

>>14356553

It's not though because the characters swear too often, and worse words than what would have been used. The creator of the game seems to have forgotten that they were Christian first. Also, I haven't tried it (judging by the few gameplay videos of seen), but does it have "le Medieval kings/lords were GoT-tier XD" bullshit?

>>14358547

>peaks my interest.

The word is piques, you illiterate monkey.

>>14356941

>pissed off at magic handgonnes

This has always been rather silly. People seem to think fantasy is always one thing, and never another. At least, those who aren't aware of Warhammer Fantasy and the like. The notion might be catching on in the vidya's wake.

>>14358733

No and yes, and write properly, shitskin.

Yes in that you were the final straw that broke the camel's back, but no in your insult.

You misread my post, that is why.