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302d90 No.14356096

Why didn’t Sony fought to keep crash Bandicoot and Spyro the dragon as PlayStation mascots or exclusives? Giving up Lara Croft is one thing. But crash was advertise as the PlayStation one mascot. We can’t pretend Microsoft lack of exclusives and mascot characters didn’t hurt the Xbox one. Bayonetta not a official Nintendo character yet she gets treated with more respectfully than how Microsoft treated Conker and Battle toads. Also where the new Infamous and killzone?

ae9822 No.14356105

>Giving a shit about mascots in current year

Are you retarded?

>Microsoft lack of mascots

Master Chief

>Why didn't Sony fight to keep franchises they don't own from being published on other consoles by a third party devs that does multiplatform releases?

You're an absolute retard


bceefa No.14356112


302d90 No.14356123

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>>14356105

>Are you retarded?

Mascots move merchandise and help with brand recognition

>>14356105

>Master Chief

Microsoft tried to replaced him with a black guy no one liked. Microsoft now has no face beyond Having PUBG as a console exclusive for a year

>>14356105

>You're an absolute retard

Crash bandicoot was the face of PlayStation and helped move units.


006ddf No.14356140

>>14356123

>Mascots move merchandise and help with brand recognition

So far PS4 is the highest selling console without Crash or Spyro games


302d90 No.14356156

>>14356140

Sony still has exclusives for PS4.


bb2d25 No.14356157

Tomb Raider was never a Sony exclusive.


bceefa No.14356181

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OK let me break it down for you. The first three Crash Bandicoots were made under a contract between Naughty Dog and Universal. Universal had a publishing deal with SCE to publish the games, so basically for the length of that contract, Sony owned Crash but Universal owned Naughty Dog. After Crash Bash, that contract ended, and some how it turned into Sony owning Naughty Dog and Universal owning Crash. Sony could have easily bought Crash along with Naughty Dog, but they chose not to because they wanted to save money and they thought Naughty Dog could make another mascot for them, which was Jax. Of course, they let that die off for no reason too.

Spyro is in basically the exact same situation because he came out of an identical contract between Insomniac and Universal.


ae9822 No.14356184

>>14356112

>Ad hominem

Go back to >>>/cuckchan/

>>14356123

>Mascots move merchandise and help with brand recognition

No they fucking don't, not anymore

These ain't the 90s and most people who owned a PS1 don't even know Crash and most who owned a PS2 don't know Jack or Sly.

>Microsoft tried to replaced him with a black guy no one liked

What the fuck are you talking about?

>Microsoft now has no face

They never had one nigger

Neither does Sony, neither did Atari

>Crash bandicoot was the face of PlayStation and helped move units.

Bullshit

Bullshit, Crash had a cult following after his success, it never went beyond that unlikr Sonic or Mario.

>Using my post number 3 times

You're fresh out of cuckchan aren't you?

>>14356156

With no mascots you nigger


302d90 No.14356250

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>>14356184

>What the fuck are you talking about?

The whole point of halo 5 is replacing master chief like how Disney tried to replace the x-men with inhumans.


302d90 No.14356260

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>>14356184

>>14356184

>No they fucking don't, not anymore

>These ain't the 90s and most people who ow

Only reason people play Overwatch still is because of the characters. sonic and final fantasy character still keeping sega And Squrare Enixx brand names alive


ef730a No.14356261

I think Sony could have done more to maintain interest in the very young audience. It was perfectly fine to retire spyro/crash as Playstation Icons as the next generation slotted sly cooper, ratchet & clank, and jak and daxter as playstation brands but they didn't really maintain this too well in the following generation. It goes without saying that they haven't really succeeded with the ratchet remake or knack or little big planet.

I think the playstation brand strategy could be solid if it could maintain a few series of games for younger audiences. as well as the current library.


419e28 No.14356275

>>14356260

Truth be told, it's because there's no real competition to ASSFAGGOTS.

TF2 killed itself, and all its pro-scene left toward the former.

BUT, Overwatch is relevant, mainstream media wise, due to their slutty characters, that's for sure

Even you can see it with Paladins, there's not much, but artists make r34 of it

Lewdness sells


bb2d25 No.14356278

>>14356261

Even if they did maintain a series with a more general audience they'd be hard pressed to find a developer to pull it off considering everything now either has to be ultra serious or overly ironic. You can't make genuine fun without being laughed at in the industry.


302d90 No.14356306

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>>14356275

>due to their slutty characters, that's for sure

Funny enough. Ash from rainbow six siege looks younger in outbreak and wears tighter pants. Even though outbreak suppose to be the newly form team rainbow. I don’t know what’s funnier. Ash looks younger and more slutty. Or it’s canon that team rainbow fought alien zombies now.


1d5bd0 No.14356333

>>14356096

I dunno, on the other hand having a long running mascot tends to get stale, like Sonic and Mario. Replacing Crash and Spyro for Ratchet and Jak was a good idea, the problem is that they didn't do the same thing for the PS3/4 gens.


ed44b6 No.14356482

>>14356333

not really man. every time something has mario on it's name people turn their sight on it, same with final fantasy, sonic (for whatever reason, mostly hope i guess) and so on, it's brand recognition. and about ratchet, that ip got the same treatment crash and spyro did, sat on the fridge way too long, people eventually forgot it was there, nothing really outstanding with them on the cover ever came again so the suits said fuck it. kind of the same shit metroid had going after other m, they even let the 25th anniversary go to waste when they usually rehash and milk it hard on those occasions.


e02fd0 No.14359543

>>14356105

>Are you retarded?

Must be, to think that Lara Croft was on Sony consoles first.


aa8715 No.14362609

>>14356181

Naughty Dog and Insomniac were independent companies that entered into three-game contracts to create games for Universal Interactive Studios. These games being Crash and Spyro. Sony had the publication rights for these games, but Universal was always the copyright holder, and Naughty Dog and Insomniac were just employees.

After Warped, Naughty Dog extended their contract with Universal for one more game, and made CTR, but after that, they were bought out by Sony, were no longer an independent company, and would no longer be making games for Universal. When Insomniac's three-game contract was also up a year later, instead of resigning with Universal, they signed a contract to make a bunch of games for Sony, though were not wholly bought out by them.

Universal made one more Crash game on PS1 after Naughty Dog was bought by Sony, and this game was also published by Sony, like the previous four. So Sony still has the publishing rights to all the Crash and Spyro games on PS1, and this is why you haven't seen them on other platforms, even though they obviously could have been ported over the years. I wonder if the N. Sane Trilogy sidesteps this issue, and in effect gives Universal Interactive Studios (who were since bought out by Vivendi, who was since bought out by Activision) the rights to publish the original Crash games (albeit completely remade) on other platforms. But They seemed to work closely with Sony in making this, so perhaps Sony didn't let them do that.

Sony evidently figured that Jak & Daxter and Ratchet & Clank would do as well as Crash and Spyro. Ratchet probably got close to Spyro, but while Jak 1 was Crash in all but name, Jak II focus testers told them the Crash formula was too childish, so they started down other paths that eventually lead them to just making SJW movies with no gameplay.

Sony just doesn't care about this stuff. They also had Ape Escape, but they just shat out a bunch of minigame collections instead of main entries and then they stopped doing those too. Sly Cooper is maybe getting a tv show which would probably mean another game but after the Ratchet movie's failure they are being very cautious about it. Sackboy works better as a mascot than a playable character but they never really put it up front and center in marketing. It says a lot that a fictional businessman became a more popular mascot for that console than the character they seemingly intended to be one.


96127d No.14362793

>>14356181

>Of course, they let that die off for no reason too.

Probably because they wanted to distance themselves from Nintendo's kiddie image with "more serious" games or some shit.


4e95fe No.14362835

>>14362609

>but after the Ratchet movie's failure

They already released it and didn't bother advertising it apparently because I didn't even fucking know about it releasing.


ec658c No.14362855

>>14356096

SONY never had foresight or LONG vision. They never think 10 years later. They only see as far as the next year.

The fact VITA version of games were making the most money for indie devs before the SWITCH came along shows how bad SONY drops the ball. IF the VITA had used standard SD cards it would have been a success. But they again have no LONG VIEW of anything.

They almost got it right with making demons souls exclusive and Bloodborne. But then they never bothered to do much beyond that.


ae9822 No.14362868

>>14362855

>They almost got it right by making their actual good games only run on low performing pieces of shit which will have online support cut from them soon

They sure did


b74dd6 No.14362872

>>14356096

Might be back in the day Sony was trying to distinguish themselves as the mature gaming alternative to Nintendo's kiddy image. You can't rebrand like that if you have a cartoony animal as your mascot.


ec658c No.14362880

>>14362868

Im talking about securing exclusives you fucking mouth breathing cunt.


aa8715 No.14362883

>>14362793

Jak & Daxter played almost exactly like Crash but with no loading screens (almost). Daxter is obviously a Crash-type mascot, same color scheme and everything. The Jet Ski levels from Crash 3 became the zoomer levels in Jak. The T-Rex from Crash 3 became the Flut Flut. Jak II was going to be the same type of game, but focus testers told them it was lame, and to make it more like GTA III and other edgier games that were popular at the time. So they did. Ratchet & Clank started down the same path, with the third game adding needless tacked on multiplayer at the expense of a shorter single player with worse levels (since many were made for multiplayer), and then the fourth game being a straight up multiplayer focused shooter. But then they went back to basics with at least the first PS3 game.

Sly was never as big, and Ape Escape was seemingly only as big in Japan, and Sony didn't even care to release all the games here.

>>14362835

Agreed completely. I live in Toronto, where the metropolitan area has a population of 6.5 million, and I had to go to a special theater at the heart of downtown where they show local indie stuff in order to see it. And I only knew about it because I'm a hardcore fan of the series and the creators.

Also didn't help that the movie was very mediocre, but it's better than all the other CGI shit pumped out by Illumination or Sony's in-house animation studios.

>>14362872

Naw, because the PS1 already decimated the N64. They didn't need to worry about that by the time the PS2 rolled around and Crash and Spyro fell by the wayside.


f286f1 No.14363070

Sony can't make good games or keep them. They rely on ports and they like it that way.


f286f1 No.14363076

>>14356140

Literally because it had no competition. Now the Switch is doing better than it did.


aa8715 No.14363077

>>14363070

But many good Sony exclusives have been posted in this thread.

The real issue is that it's post-2007 and good games have stopped being made in general.


f286f1 No.14363089

>>14363077

Yeah but they no longer make them. They don't keep their good games.


aa8715 No.14363099

>>14363089

Yeah, nobody makes good games anymore. You're lucky if you get one actually good game per year. The best you can hope for are games that seem good in comparison to new shit, but which turn out to be garbage if you compare them to something from 20 years ago.


1f728b No.14363199

>>14356096

For better or worse, Sony wanted to set themselves apart from Nintendo and Sega, and part of that meant not having a true, "official" mascot.

Consider that if Sony fought to keep Crash Bandicoot or Spyro, we may not have Jak and Daxter the Uncharted games and TLoU were fine but I could live without them or Ratchet and Clank.

R&C is still going to this day, and I think that's the closest thing Sony had to a proper mascot, but I feel like they might have fucked everything up with that dumb movie they made a few years ago. The game wasn't bad but it was inferior to the original in almost every way besides the gunplay.


bd42af No.14363229

>>14363077

They still manage to wiggle some good things out, like gravity rush 2. Their funding strategies have undeniably helped get some good third party games made. I'd like to see them do more contract work as I think this is the best thing about the game industry, period.


b89ca3 No.14363319

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>>14356184

>muh ad hommymum

But you called OP a retard first, you silly-billy.


302d90 No.14363398

>>14362855

Steam And Switch going to take the weeb game market from vita in a year or two. Middle market only exist om PC and switch at this point. Sony could’ve prevented this


76f9cb No.14364066

>>14356096

>Why didn’t Sony fought to keep crash Bandicoot and Spyro the dragon as PlayStation mascots or exclusives?

Here is the thing, Sony doesn't need mascots because the Playstation console family is the biggest success ever in the console market history.

The first Playstation was the second most sold console in history and easily beat the N64 and the Sega Saturn.

It is only eclipsed by the Playstation 2, which is the most sold console in history and easily overshadowed the new Xbox and left Nintendo's Gamecube in the dust.

They got somewhat into a slump at the beginning with of the seventh console generation with the Playstation 3, but at the end of the seventh console generation everyone was wondering why they brought a Wii or Xbox 360.

Now its the eight console generation and once again the Playstation 4 is the most sold console world wide, with the Xbone being a joke and the Switch only coming out after Nintendo failed with the Wii U.

That doesn't mean Sony doesn't fuck up a lot and they do a lot of stupid shit, but by the end of the day they do less bullshit than Nintendo or Microsoft and concentrate on what a video game console is.


91eccc No.14365144

>>14364066

>but by the end of the day they do less bullshit than Nintendo or Microsoft and concentrate on what a video game console is.

An underpowered PC with no worthwhile exclusives and paid online?


2a2a72 No.14365161

>>14363319

>silly-billy

Not an argument you prolapse eating ball fondler.


ae9822 No.14365210

>>14363319

I didn't state he was a retard

I simply asked




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