/v/ - Video Games

>>14263657

They sure as hell are a lot better now than they used to back then.

Most devs porting to PC seem to just map controls to keyboard, see if it runs and then ship it. No need for further testing.

>>14263638

GTA IV's optimization was so godawful. It still stutters constantly on modern machines. At least DSFix did fix Dark Souls, GTA IV was beyond salvation. The performance increasing mod also increased the stuttering when there are too many cops.

Oblivion was bad, but not GTA IV level of bad. Performance could be fixed by tweaking the ini and cfg settings. Also, the fact that it's more of an RPG game than an action game, stuttering feels more bearable.

>>14263657

GTA V is better optimized on PC than other GTA's though.

GTA IV is shit.

I played it once, and the camer kept wobling!

Good fucking job Rockstar!

>>14263742

dude yeah, wobbling camer to be suck.

>>14263742

The game itself is amazing though. Sure, there are too much boring virtual life missions, but when it lets you blast through dozens of enemies with your submachine gun, it becomes what I possibly consider to be the best game experience I've ever had in my life. The driving and shooting are extremely satisfying.

>>14263742

>I played it once, and the camer kept wobling!

>falling for the easiest pirate filter

shitskin third worlder outed

bad PC ports are just part of life. You can bet that the majority of games that get ported to PC will have their share of issues.

Another interesting thing about GTA4 optimization is it actually runs worse on newer cards. I don't know how optimization works with the rage engine but if you squeezed by with a q6600 when the game was first ported, you won't be finding a world of difference on a ryzen 7 1700 in terms of performance. It seems like every bit of hardware needs to have support added into the game at a later point to actually get the performance its supposed to.

Just Cause came at the same time for PS2, Xbox, X360, and PC. You'd expect the PC version to be on par with the X360, right? Nope! It's ported from the original Xbox version, so the graphics are much worse. Look at that shit, the poorer shading system is almost insulting.

>>14263813

Back then devs were struggling with developing multicore games for PC. I suppose it was easier to work with multi core on xbox360's architecture than on PC's diverse hardware.

>>14263847

multicore support on PC is pretty bad. At this point its just started getting decent with how games like assassins creed origins utilized multicore chips.

>>14263813

Is Just Cause any good if I liked 2 and 3? Would I be better off playing the PC port or emulating the PS2 version?

>>14263865

2 is better than 1 tbh.

>>14263813

What's up with all the dislikes on that video?

>>14263865

It's pretty fun. Play the pc port. All it needs is a widescreen fix.

also this >>14263867

>>14263865

One is crap, don't bother.

>>14263908

I played that shit, it somehow looked worse than the PS1 version, a game made for 1994 hardware.

>>14263908

Japs in general didn't care about PC gaming. They're corporate sluts.

>>14263908

>>14263913

b-but muh MP5SD :(

I wonder how were the PC ports of Dino Crisis and Resident Evil

>>14263865

>He liked 3

1 had much better weapon variety and atmosphere.

It's lacking in gameplay compared to it's sequels but there are many little things I miss from that game like the actual top tier Agency boat and the submarine.~

Music is also much better than the generic shit they fitted in the sequels

>>14263927

RE1-3's port were fine I guess, they work more often than not. They just didn't bother to give the PC version new UI. 90's Capcom's ports were relatively decent compared to other jap companies. Nowhere as bad as Dark Souls or MGS2 that straight up didn't work.

>>14263938

Rockstar is jewish as fuck I swear. Even Zenimax is putting all their old games on GOG.

>>14263961

The PC port of Chaos Legion by Capcom was top notch.

>>14263918

I don't blame them. Back then they didn't comprehend that PC was even a market that existed.

>>14263865

>Is Just Cause any good if I liked 2 and 3?

It is fun, but it has a ton of bugs that eventually make you say: fuck this shit. Not because of the port, it seems ALL versions were buggy because they rushed the release. Never a good idea.

>>14264026

But they did have a prosperous home computer market so its not like it was completely alien to them.

>>14264042

Home computers were not the same as PCs.

>>14263927

The japanese version of Biohazard patched up works wonders

>>14263952

>submarine

What? The only submersible I recall is that shitty underwater scooter in that one mission.

>>14264026

PC gaming was really popular before the PS1 existed. Old jap PC's like MSX were particularly built for gaming. Hell, before the famicom there was practically no console gaming in japan. After PS1, PC was only considered as the porn VN machine.

>>14264045

Tbf, japanese computers had crappy performance compared to western made ones. That's why the PS1 really erased their existence from gaming.

>>14264045

True, they're still PC's though and Falcom existed even after NEC computers..

Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow on PC uses a lighting engine that still can't be accurately represented on modern hardware. Double Agent on PC is also based on the shitty Ubisoft Shanghai version on 360, as opposed to the better Ubisoft Montreal version that's best played on OG Xbox.

Spiderman 2 had a really shitty "port" which wasn't really a port but a completely different game neutered for kids.

>>14263854

>At this point its just started getting decent with how games like assassins creed origins utilized multicore chips

Thats not the game hammering the CPU, its the dual layered DRM.

>>14263722

Keyword better, it's still shit.

Rockstar's idea of "make gaem run well" is to make every bit of detail pop up at dick range.

And almost nothing happens on screen even compared to the ps2 games. It's essentially a tech demo of 2008 graphics without as much post FX as 2008 games had, keyword "as much".

>>14265056

The drm isn't scaling per core, its the game. Look at some benchmarks some time you retarded piratefag.

>>14263908

Don't remind me, the MGS2 port was even worse. At least there's a recent fix that tries to make it playable.

>>14265155

>game inexplicably performs worse on an overclocked 4790k than a fucking PS4

>"its just using all the resources available to it"

the absolute state of goyim

>>14265213

>there's a recent fix that tries to make it playable.

All the fix does is make the configuration tool easy to use the game itself runs pretty much like the original with patches and the NoCD fix which means well enough to play but shit is still visibly broken sometimes.

>>14265246

Yeah, I know, but if its author actually manages to make pressure sensitivity to work there, it'll be fine by me. I still can always just play it on PCSX2, but I like having more options available.

>>14265243

>game inexplicably performs worse on an overclocked 4790k than a fucking PS4

Can the PS4 even run it at 60 FPS?

Devil may cry 3 is objectively one of the worst; the fact it actually runs is the one positive thing about it I can think of

>>14265334

Nope

Neither can the PC. Its a Ubishit game and is a poorly cobbled together mess to begin with.

Both on the PS4 and the PC with the recommended system requirements, it targets 30FPS and still struggles to get that. On the PC you'll be jumping from framerates between 50 to 20 FPS on a 4790k and a 1050ti at 1080p on high while on the PS4 you'll be getting 30 to 20 FPS. The game drops frames in every single cutscene even on the PS4 "pro". What is actually insulting about this piece of shit is that not only does it run worse than better looking games on PC, it doesn't offer anything for that performance. The population density of previous Asscreed games is gone with most cities being closer to ghost towns and its rife with bugs which haven't been fixed at all.

>>14265592

oh and the frame pacing is awful on both consoles and PC so expect constant microstutters. Another "quality" ubishit game.

>>14263865

2>1>3

>>14265243

>why can't my 3 year old toaster with a quad core (lmao) run a game built for 8 cores meanwhile consoles which have 8 cores run the game perfectly fine

IPC retards belong back on reddit

>>14265243

>>14265628

>muh CPU

>game is GPU limited

PC gaming now is better than ever, so most crappy ports are from the 5th gen era and before tat.

>>14265674

>game is utilizing 99% of all 4 cores/8 threads on quad core cpus

>dude its gpu limited

back to reddit

>>14265628

>being this much of a retard

Did you sell your i5 to buy a shittier model of Ryzen or something?

I'm starting to get old and miss that slathering of Vaseline of PS2 games.

>>14265773

>thank you for proving that cpu is the issue and if you get a better gpu your performance tends to improve

Are you retarded? Did you even read that sentence before typing it?

>>14265773

>muh CPU is the issue

>8700K@4.5 is slower than the 7700k

Anon you might just be completely fucking retarded.

RE4 HD runs in slow motion, and even on good computers you can get random slowdowns. Now I'm not suprised that the PS4/Xbone version can't reach 60 fps when the performance is this bad on PC. Original RE4 PC port was also trash, but there's more mods for it…

>>14265408

>DMC4's PC port is made in house and ends up as one of the best PC ports ever made being able to get 60FPS on praticly anything.

And it added legendary dark knight for the first time.

>>14263927

>I wonder how were the PC ports of Dino Crisis and Resident Evil

They actually work pretty good. The best part about the RE ports is they allow door skipping.

>>14265781

>IPC shit

This is a multicore optimized game.

>>14266100

Which is why it performs worse on the CPU with more cores right?

Saints Row 2

>>14263813

>Is the title pronounced "coz", as in, "I fight for a just cause".

<Or is it "cuz", as in "Just because"

>>14265408

Aren't we getting DMC 1, 2 and 3 re-ported?

Resident Evil 4.

>>14266195

I think that's why they picked that title. Because you can go through the story mode and topple a dictator (a just cause) or randomly destroy things (just 'cause).

>>14264042

>fucking Tourettes Guy

I'm getting old

Anything Rockstar pre-GTA V. All the ports are worse than their console counterparts.

>>14266529

But lacks the co-op mode

Dynasty Warriors 8 Extreme

>no multiplayer despite console versions having it

>costume packs that cost over $20

Fuck those japs.

>>14266536

>Coop mode

>Good

And GTA III and Vice City were decent.

>>14266536

That's easily the biggest flaw. SA-MP made up for it but it's all just slavs and hues now.

>>14266529

>GTA San Andreas was pretty good optimized.

Unless you had flickering pedestrians.

>>14266529

>GTA San Andreas was pretty good optimized.

It's one of the worst ports in history just like every other gta except 5 and 2.

You say this because you now have a computer that's 100 times better than whatever was out when san andreas came out, and guess what I guarantee you you still have frame drops.

>>14266299

Yeah I already mentioned the HD collection coming to PC in that post.

MGS2 had a pretty dogshit pc port. MGS1's was pry even worse amazingly.

>>14263742

Do you mean camel?

GTA4 really wasnt as great as anyone says it was. sure there were some things better implemented than in GTA5, but at the same time, GTASA did a FUCK TON better things than GTA4.

Also, anyone who says GTA4's sliding cars is "realistic" or better has obviously never driven a real car before.

>>14267100

I was wonderin why GTA SA on PS4 runs at 30, unlike all the other PS2 "remakes"… that was the only reason I bought the damn game, for the 6th time

Mobile is still the best way to play, tbh. 60fps with "fixes" to the shittier missions, like the fuckin RC plane shit and the god awful swimming requirements

>>14267100

It's not 30fps, it's 25fps.

>>14267253

Huh, thought only SA was running at 25.

>the PC version doesn't have the ugly Vaseline lense effect

I think their laziness inadvertently dodged a bullet there.

<<14266100

>This is a multicore optimized game.

>doesn't even see the hexacore is being outperformed by the quadcore

Looks like the retardation is terminal

>>14266529

If you use anything close to the recommended specs it chugs like a motherfucker

All the filtering and effects missing or replaced by shittier stuff

Same with some models and texture

If you don't use the fps limiter shit breaks, although 60fps with an external limiter somewhat works

Would still randomly have worse model and texture pop-in than the other versions (mind you probably just got fixed up by throwing better hardware at it, but back then the best you could get was a A64 4000+ and a X850 XT / 6800GT and that could not handle the game properly despite being much better than the recommended specs)

They managed to port devil may cry 3 in a way that it doesn't include any of the graphical effects. It's like dark souls 2 after the downgrade.

Binary Domain. I want to like that game so much, but I always have mouse aiming issues not tracking properly

>>14263673

Install the fucking update and it works flawlessly. I played through the whole game on PC with no problems.

>>14267475

this.

I 100%'d Bully on PC with no issues. unless maybe he's talkin about KB+M controls, but you have to be a full retard to play a 3rd person game with KB+M

>>14267508

But 3rd person games are perfectly playable with mouse and kb. Not MGS ofc.

>>14263657

>tfw you will never play any yakuza game

Why live

Original Resident Evil.

Capcom were peak offenders when it came to lazy PC ports back in the day.

>>14267814

I remember the dmc3 port,it was so shit

>>14267944

DMC1 on the PS2 looked like a million times better than this and still does.

>>14265056

> its the dual layered DRM.

3 layers, not 2.

>>14267228

But the mobile versions of 3 and VC don't have the Xbox lighting. Neither does SA but its lighting upgrade is much bigger than the Xbox's so it's okay.

>>14268398

> lighting upgrade is much bigger than the Xbox's so it's okay.

The lighting in the mobile version looks plastic as fuck, it's like the x360 version except worse.

>>14267734

couldn't you play it on pcsx2?

>>14267962

It's probably because DMC3's combat system pushed the PS2's hardware too hard so they ended up cutting back on everything to make room for it. DMC1 could handle two weapons at a time, DMC3 can just about do 4 at a time + style. And then >>14267405 makes the PC version additionally hideous due to having almost no lighting effects, missing animated textures, wrong colours, improper sound modulation and so on.

The funny thing is I remember some people PRAISING the DMC3 PC port when it came out because it had rebindable controls and actually seemed to work, which was better than other console action games at the time.

Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization

>keyboard mapping is a complete clusterfuck

>game is barely playable with M+K even when remapping keys to your preferences

>controller compatibility REMOVED from a game that was originally a CONSOLE GAME

>only way to use a controller is to have Steam emulate it

>this workaround doesn't work at all for the pirated version for unknown reasons

>workaround only works for about half of good goys that bought the game

>Bamco's official statement on the matter: "Nobody who paid for the game has this issue. ;^)"

"LOL SAO WHO CARES FAGGIT", right? What makes you think they'll magically decide to make effort when it comes to a game you do care about? Bamco couldn't have sent the message that they don't give two fucks about PC gamers more clearly. I can't fathom how bad the PC version of Fatal Bullet is going to be.

>>14268629

>that 3rd webm

why fuck this up? why ruin everything? i want to punch those devs

>>14264067

Jap computers were all much higher resolution because reading moonrunes was impossible at low resolution. They were just as powerful, but the resolution meant any kind of action games were hard to get running properly. VNs and stuff look amazing though.

>>14268572

>>14268449

as someone who emulated Yakuza 1/2 and got Kiwami recently, holy shit the old Yakuzas aged terribly. I can deal with the graphics, but those fucking loading screens, the awkward camera in Kamurocho in Yak 1. jesus christ.

the only downside to Kiwami is it's obvious that even with the added content, theres still a fuck ton of stuff they couldve added from Yakuza 0 but just decided not to. also, if you didnt play Yakuza 0, some of the side missions will be fuckin confusing, like the rc car missions and the actor tryin to get into the 80s flick

>>14263675

>They sure as hell are a lot better now than they used to back then.

That's because consoles are just stationary mobile devices with a lower-mid range (at best) graphics card strapped on, so they only have to develop the game once and porting is a fucking snap compared to what it used to be.

It's not because they care, or they're competent, but because everything is becoming standardized to reduce development costs. You don't need to put in extra work to get it running on the PC. You just need to fix incompatibilities and bugs, and even then - it's just as shit now as it's always been.

>>14268625

I pirated that game out of morbid curiosity, good god it was fucking garbage

Weebs put up with some fucking shit

>>14267093

>GTASA did a FUCK TON better things than GTA4

Lol no, SA was even more of a chore. The missions are even more railroaded than IV.

>Also, anyone who says GTA4's sliding cars is "realistic" or better has obviously never driven a real car before

I've tried slalom with a shitty 90's corolla. IV's handling is pretty realistic.

>>14271845

>Lol no, SA was even more of a chore. The missions are even more railroaded than IV.

You can finish many SA missions early by shooting drivers, ramming cars, superior driving, planning etc.

IV rubberbands cars in chases and makes various NPCs invincible until you follow them through the entire scripted sequence.

>>14272635

>IV rubberbands cars in chases and makes various NPCs invincible until you follow them through the entire scripted sequence.

That only happened in a few missions though. Most other missions, the enemy cars weren't invincible or rubberbanded.

>>14269326

I didn't play 0 yet but I got the gist of the racing substory, I didn't understand what anons were saying about kiwami being Majima-heavy until I played it though.

>>14267508

>but you have to be a full retard to play a 3rd person game with KB+M

gta plays so much better with a controller bro, who even needs fucking aiming right bro?

>>14283348

Happened in every mission I tried, some of them only rubber-band the cars for 3/4 of the chase (i.e. you can kill them 'early' but not too early) but it's still a factor.

Call of Cthulhu DCotEw. you can't finish the game in its unpatched form.

>>14289107

I got right to the end. But I couldnt do the final with out it. Aside from the bugs it's not bad.

>>14263706

I mean what are they supposed to do? Spend tons of time and money making a quality PC port for charity?

>>14263798

[desire to know more intensifies]

I would really like to know exactly where the fuckups are in GTAIV because I don't know how they managed to make it run on two consoles yet port it so badly that for some reason it just plateaus, I couldn't raise my settings significantly higher when my GTX260 was swapped for a 560 half a decade ago nor could I do it when I slapped a R9 480 in.

>>14290616

> I don't know how they managed to make it run on two consoles

this is why I speculated how the rage engine works. The 360 and PS3 cpus were really good, competitive with PC CPUs for years, especially because they encouraged multicore optimization so much while PC CPU support was stuck in IPC jerking off for 30 years.

>>14290652

>The 360 and PS3 cpus were really good, competitive with PC CPUs for years, especially because they encouraged multicore optimization so much

That isn't true at all. Multiplatform games always performed worse on the PS3 than the 360. Not to mention CPUs are largely irrelevant to running native PC games with stuff like GTA 5 running on a G3260 with a good video card.

>>14290747

>That isn't true at all.

it's completely true.

> Multiplatform games always performed worse on the PS3 than the 360.

because the PS3's cpu was a poorly documented mess for a few years. Sony got their shit together by mid-late 2009 and released new tools, and far better documentation. So good that lazy PC only programmers at Valve said "actually yeah we'll support the PS3 because we actually know how to work on it now."

> Not to mention CPUs are largely irrelevant to running native PC games

because there really isn't a good development environment for multicore support on PC. On console its a different story - you have what you have, and you must make the most of it. The CPUs were very good, IBMs PPC architecture was far better than anything Intel or AMD offered for years. The 7th consoles biggest shortcoming were in the graphics processing department. PS3 because it got an underpowered 7000 series geforce chip instead of the powerVR chip it was supposed to get, and 360 because the revolution that programmable SPUs brought to graphics hardware happened a year after the 7th gen hardware was being produced.

>>14290792

>cause the PS3's cpu was a poorly documented mess for a few years. Sony got their shit together by mid-late 2009 and released new tools, and far better documentation

Which is why the situation of multiplatforms running worse on PS3 never improved right?

>So good that lazy PC only programmers at Valve said "actually yeah we'll support the PS3 because we actually know how to work on it now."

Valve had been porting their games to PS3 way before 2009. What the fuck are you even talking about?

>because there really isn't a good development environment for multicore support on PC

Its because dedicated GPUs exist, the only reason games use CPU power nowadays is for DRM.

Its pretty obvious you don't know jack shit but still insist on spouting easily disprovable bullshit.

>>14290833

>Which is why the situation of multiplatforms running worse on PS3 never improved right?

It did.

>Valve had been porting their games to PS3 way before 2009. What the fuck are you even talking about?

no, they haven't. L4D never made it and the orange box was handled by EA, not Valve. Gabe even said that the system was a disaster and they should scrap it after it launched and start over.

>Its because dedicated GPUs exist, the only reason games use CPU power nowadays is for DRM.

how little you know, PC games have finally started to embrace proper multicore support - which is why the i5's are no longer cutting it.

>Its pretty obvious you don't know jack shit but still insist on spouting easily disprovable bullshit.

hostile, but it's OK, I'm countering a narrative you've got ingrained deep in your brain. I expect it.

>>14266529

>doesn't have the lighting FX of the hueg version

nah

>>14290877

even the ps2 version looked better tbh

>>14290747

>Multiplatform games always performed worse on the PS3 than

That's because the PS3 used part of it's SPEs to render graphics (if you know anything about computers you know how terribly inefficient that is) to make up for the RSX being completely shit compared to the Xenos (iirc it's basically a 7600GT vs a RX1650).so obviously you end up both starving the CPU and not getting much of a performance increase on the rendering side of things.

The X360 had a CPU disadvantage but instead it used the eDRAM as an oversized cache and shared memory between the CPU and GPU to more than make up for it

There's obviously also the fact that developing for an X360 wasn't a major pain in the ass in every way and didn't require somewhat advanced parallelization knowledge to actually do good on it.

There's also probably some underhanded shit where M$ forced dev into timed exclusivity knowing that developing for X360 first meant that they had to spend more money to remake the same thing on PS3 or deal with inferior results

The CPU on the PS3 also was made with heavy math, parallel and server workload in mind, that shit simply isn't useful in games most of the time, I mean the performance difference is monumental, a badly used CELL BE can barely outpace the first gen P4s (rough comparison from using the RA port which from the words of the dev itself does no effort into using the SPEs), a well used one is absolutely insane (see PxVC1100 or CodecSys CE-10)

>>14290910

the proof is also in the pudding when it comes to the PS3 library. The last of us kind of blows away anything the 360 ever did in terms of visuals.

>>14290860

>It did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbYyMq4cGU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4599MBazNH8

>no, they haven't

>>and the orange box was handled by EA, not Valve

No fucking shit, hiring different companies to port games is standard practice. Its how PC gets most of its ports.

>which is why the i5's are no longer cutting it.

i5s from years back still beat most modern CPUs even in emulation

Again, keep spouting easily disprovable bullshit and moving your goalposts. The only thing it proves is your stupidity.

>>14263974

I didn't think that'd even be a thing. Is it available online?

>>14290995

Yeah, kinda hard to find and somewhat of a pain to get to run properly on modern system, try isozone for the files and PCGW for the fixes.

>>14267944

Apparently you can also just use Style Switcher on the PS2-native version, as well, though, so it seems to me like you might as well just emulate it.

>>14291296

>Apparently you can also just use Style Switcher on the PS2-native version

It's an older style switching hack that you can only use through PCSX2, it's more limited but it does exactly what it says although it's bound to Numpad with no possibility of changing it

>>14291296

>>14291340

Also the emulated version of DMC1 screws up scaling on the HUD's resolution.