/v/ - Video Games

Looks like pretty much all the western studios that tried tapping into the fad are all done trying. I imagine they'll try the battle royale market next despite it already being owned by pubg and fortnite. I'd have played gigantic if it was anything but a moba, i think the art is pretty nice.

>furfags vs edgelords

I'm honestly surprised it never took off.

It's easily the best 'hero-shooter' thing available, if that's any measure of shit. Too bad it went the way of monday night combat and the rest

>>14254827

So paragon and now this?

Why can't other shit games like TKoR shut down

>>14254839

Wasn't it an xbox exclusive? The small playerbase probably wasn't big enough to satisfy microsofts wallets

>>14254827

One after the other, and with Overwatch also dying a slow death because E-sports on a game with the lowest skill ceiling. And the lack of fucking marketing by Microsoft and the devs themselves not knowing who the fuck this game was made for, who the fuck was it's target audience?

Not surprised, but still a shame. I played it for about three hours or so, and I really liked the flow and character designs. But it was just another shallow MOBA at the end of the day. Wish that creative effort had gone into something that could have stuck around.

>>14254846

There was this image 2 years back when the consecutive announcement of "class/hero base team arena games", Bethesda cancelled theirs, Randy and Gearcuck's Battleborn was a failure, Paragon dead, Paladins still in "early-access" with gameplay being moved from Overwatch clone to fucking Overwatch+PUBG, nobody giving a shit about Quake Champions, Lawbreakers being written off and Cliffy told to go fuck himself with his "$29.99"

Who cares? I wish they'd stop wasting so much time and energy making shitty multiplayer games that will always lose to the big games on the market and make more single player games.

Why do people even try to make a game in such a specific genre already dominated by at least two big shots running the show? It's like trying to tap into the Battle Royal market with Fortnite and PUBG as the head runners, you're doomed from the start.

>>14254876

Triple A market bullshit in the West, nips finally learned to stop going for that bullshit and just do their thing, sadly for the companies like Sony, Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, Activision, and several devs, they still haven't learned anything.

>>14254880

>nips finally learned to stop going for that bullshit

You know, they have moba arcade games in japan.

>>14254876

It probably that feeling of "the other newcomers will die but we'll be the lucky ones to succeed because we do something slightly different from the other MOBA's!"

>>14254905

likely because having a PC for gaming, and having any graphical capabilities in that PC beyond Intel integrated graphics, is considered a huge luxury in Japan. If more Japanese gamers had a gaming-quality PC, they probably wouldn't bother bringing assfaggots to arcades.

The story of the developers is actually pretty sad. It's unfortunate that it died.

Vid related is a worthwhile watch about the story of the development and what a struggle it was.

>>14254909

That makes sense when the genre is new and exciting. That's what Epic did with Fortnite and got a huge playerbase, but when LoL and Dota2 have been the top of the game for years, you're just shooting yourself in the foot for even trying. Companies that try to get into the Battle Royal genre now are going to be fucked because there's already games established that people like.

>>14254927

If japs learned "not to go for that bullshit", why would they make arcade assfaggots and why would the prevalence of pc gaming be relevant to that? Either way, it's not like they don't have pc's or easy access to pc's. There are people who outright live in their net cafes and they aren't expensive.

>>14254909

Oh yeah, "WoW killer" syndrome.

>>14254955

>doesn't add anything new to the discussion

>literally just stating the obvious

>goes on to talk about something else that's sort of related but really isn't

how about no

>>14254970

It's actually not that black and white, but that's more or less accurate. There's a reason as to why mobile MOBAs are successful and that's because there was no one else in the market, one of them in specific called Vainglory is actually pretty well made. There isn't much space for Battle Royale clones in PC either since those who can afford PCs that can run the games can probably afford the real deal anyway, but on mobile there's like 3 or 4 different Battle Royale games.

>>14254827

>muh bright blocky undefined artstyle

fuck this meme

it was never appealing and it degraded to eye-cancer in record time

>>14254977

Oh shit, I'm sorry. I fucked up and posted the wrong video.

All I ever wanted was MNC.

>>14255012

>when he comes to actually talk about the story behind it, he says PC gamer has more information on it then he's going to go into in his video

how do you shoot your self in the foot like that? also >just copying stories from other sources rather then getting them your self

literal cancer media

>>14254986

>There's a reason as to why mobile MOBAs are successful and that's because there was no one else in the market

You could apply this info with other popular game types locked to some gaming systems and not available on others. There is quite a few Minecraft inspired games on the Wii U and 3DS for years before Minecraft officially got released on them (Even then Minecraft only runs on New 3DS systems still giving those original 3DS users a niche).

>>14255037

Me too, anon, me too. Despite all its flaws, the original MNC was something special.

Sounds like a game for growth fetishists

>>14255054

The only thing I remember about it was that it was going to be Windows 10 exclusive. Did they give up on that?

>>14255630

I think the problem is that the games are made backwards. They're more a MOBA than a third person shooter which makes for some seriously boring and stale shit(Smite, Paragon). I haven't played Gigantic so I don't know whats its deal but I do remember it keeping my interest until they announced that the PC was Windows 10 only.

>>14254876

>Why do people even try to make a game in such a specific genre already dominated by at least two big shots running the show? It's like trying to tap into the Battle Royal market with Fortnite and PUBG as the head runners, you're doomed from the start.

They are hunting Whales.

>>14256345

Egg on their face when the majority of these whales are actually just bots used by companies to make their revenue look legitimate.

>>14256335

It's funny with a game with a massive marketing budget flops like still-borne or bank-breakers, not when its a nobody game that had little to no marketing

>>14256352

Source? I'd love that to be true.

>>14254827

The only person I've ever met who actually played this game was some crossdressing faggot that I fucked.

Played it once for a couple of hours.

Actually enjoyed tbh.

Just had fuck all in terms of hooking people into it.

I remember playing this back in the early closed beta. It was pretty fun and had some neat mechanics, but being announced as W10 exclusive killed any interest I had as well as everyone else I knew that played.

>>14256508

>Oh, this is the one that has one gigantic character you control on a team.

>you control

But you don't.

i wanted to like it, i grabbed one of those free promo codes and downloaded the arc client whenever it hit pc.

it was so stupidly easy to grief in the game. there was minor punishment for leaving a team a couple minutes into the game ensuring their defeat (please go grab a glass of water and come back to do it again). it had some sort of report system but it required you to record a full video, upload it and contact the second life tech support team.

it was only any fun when you had a 5 man of friends.

>>14254866

Still more popular than lawbreaker

gigantic?

more

like

gigantic FAILURE

XD

>>14256760

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>>14256411

Do they even play the game? Or are they merely friendlies now like in TF2?

>>14256183

There's a rumor that the jetpack character was supposed to be a chicken instead of a human(But still having the jetpack and aviator outfit, but they decided against it because apparently they had too few not obviously human characters. Evidence of said rumor is based on her color design, her hairstyle, and "Bawkett" being an easy pun to make based on the final character's name, Beckett.

>>14256410

Where's the paw, I want to make a wish on Dawngate coming back.

>>14257304

I played a MOBA called Strife, I think.

One of the characters was this superhero cat whose VA was an announcer. It was pretty fun from memory.

>>14257337

Their current project is dead. It was pretty good for a post-HS CCG, but just not compelling at all. No hope of them coming back or moving forward on this one.

>>14257323

S2 Games made that. Good luck on it ever being popular again, though at least it's still playable.

Please don't tell me this was a copy of Footmen vs. Grunts.

>Played Gigantic once

>Said "Nah, not worth it since not only is the community shit, the gameplay's shit AND the matchmaking's bad."

>Uninstalled it

>This

AWESOME

>>14256410

Battlerite since that's all that's fucking left

>>14254955

>>14255012

Wait, was the first video a different game? It looks like a game I played an early demo of at a convention i got to go for free that I went to.

>>14260574

Pretty sure that's Hob. Gigantic is the game in the second video.

>>14260613

I think Paladins is the one that will be on the chopping block. The game isn't worth shit

>>14260632

Might as well be. The recent patch they did fucked the game up to everyone and there's alot more dropping it now. It made things alot more pay2win and they did it right after some influential guy left the company.

So when is S2 going to close it's doors? It deserves to die after making HoN, Strife, and so many other shitty games.

>>14266801

Whacky buttphysics online shooter craze when?

>>14263059

That's a shame. Paladins did end up separating itself nicely from Overwatch by being a tad more casual and simplified.

It had it's own unique snowballing mechanic, which I don't think was that good but it served it's purpose I guess, and it ended up being the perfect game for lone wolfs that don't want to rely so much on team work like in Overwatch but still occasionnaly benefit from it.

But really, the game was already a marketing and economical nightmare for the player, if they managed to make it even worse it's no surprise it dies out unless they have loads of whales or go full e-sports with it.

>>14267324

Not fun enough for whales to even get involved with.

>>14263753

Strife and other things were crap, but HoN? Leave HoN be. Might've been the most toxic cesspool ever conceived before League sextupled their population with whiny entitled 12 year olds and devs that got triggered over mechanics they themselves put in (Flash, Healers), but HoN had surrender votes, player kicks, and better gameplay. Plus before DOTA2 came around, it was the choice to play.

>>14256411 (checked)

>None of that 'enough players to start a match' bullshit!

>>14267447

>HoN had surrender votes

So does League.

>player kicks

You mean before a match starts? Because that wasn't good at all.

All you got were "+1800 ranking only!" servers filled with 1600 shitters that wanted to grind Elo easily and kicked out anyone that was also 1600 or was 2000.

HoN was a lot closer to Dota with how much mana the abilities cost and how fucking hard the game snowballed, but it was still fundamentally a broken game like pretty much every MOBA anyway.

>>14267513

>I will pick one specific point in an entire post to talk about

>and then I'll do nothing but shout insults and imply a fuckload of things

>and then bring something that has nothing to do with excessive minority representation because I can't even keep a consistent meaning for pozzed

WEW

Funny thing is, if you actually read the article, what they'll ban you for is for doing shit they already ban for anyway, they'll just use Youtube videos as evidence now. If you're dumb enough to actually post video evidence of yourself being an asshole online, you have no one else to blame for but you.

I also noticed you did not archive the link for a site that seems heavily biased against Blizzard.

Shill much?

>>14267641

>Funny thing is, if you actually read the article, what they'll ban you for is for doing shit they already ban for anyway, they'll just use Youtube videos as evidence now. If you're dumb enough to actually post video evidence of yourself being an asshole online, you have no one else to blame for but you.

Naw he's right you're a genuine fucking queer

Enjoy your game that literally has a profanity filter in by default and makes BANTER a banable offense

>>14267659

>nah he's right

>but I'm not gonna say why :^)

>don't look at hat (1) though

>profanity filter

WEW

Are you actually this mad you can't just spam GGWP at the end of a match? You can still type "git gud" or "good game" if you can actually type.

And it's not like it even matters, most people just use it as a shortcut, they only type 4 characters and they get quite a long sentence written instead.

Plus, since everyone knows what you wrote to trigger the filter, it still has mostly the same "impact" anyway.

The only reason you can have to be mad about this is if you're THAT lazy at shitposting and shittalking.

>>14268268

>I suppose you'd prefer they just "listen & believe" everytime someone reports?

Yeah, because them being able to search your entire history for any little straw to ban you with is so much better.

>>14268348

Are you seriously arguing against providing evidence to make your case?

Because the alternatives are "Always believe every single claim" or "Never believe any single claim", both of which are so terrible I really don't think you'd support either.

Tell me please, what exactly is wrong with someone making a report saying "this player spends the entire match shittalking and never helping at all" and then posts a link to a youtube video that actually proves his point.

Especially if it was the faggot himself uploading his video in an "epic trollage collage".

I thought the game looked interesting. The first time i heard about it was some years ago, followed it for a few days and then they announced windows store and windows 10 only, and i think it had a high price tag as well. The windows shit announcement was all i needed to completely erase it from my radar and just ignore any news about it for a long while.

I found it was on steam a few months ago and free to play, but by then it was already a dead game with maybe 40 players worldwide so it was not even worth the time or bandwith downloading it.

I think this could probably have been a good game had they spent any effort whatsoever advertising it or if they had not shot themselves in the foot with those retarded ass decisions like windows store before the game was even out. I will never know

>>14268367

There's a reason that games like TF2 have built in screenshot reporting. Yes, this will get some faggots banned for "lol epix overwatch trolling", however this also gives them an excuse to dig through everything someone makes and get them banned for saying "fuck" once back in 2017.

Overwatch has shown time and time again that they suck at handling bans, and it's caused a culture where if a streamer doesn't like you they can get their fans to mass report you, and this doesn't help that problem.

>>14268394

Screenshot reporting doesn't catch anything relevant, just the current position of someone at a certain time. Chat logs or the score table do a better role at providing evidence for claims than that.

> this also gives them an excuse to dig through everything someone makes and get them banned for saying "fuck" once back in 2017.

Sorry, until that actually happens, you're just fearmongering, not actually providing an argument or a solid example.

You could just as easily claim that Blizzard will totally close their servers tomorrow and screw every player out of their game and it's just as valid a claim.

>Overwatch has shown time and time again that they suck at handling bans

I personnaly blame the players that refuse to stop being shitstains, but then again, I also have no example to back my claim just like you.

>it's caused a culture where if a streamer doesn't like you they can get their fans to mass report you

Why are you talking about PUBG instead of providing a concrete example for that happening in Overwatch instead?

>>14254837

PUBG is 90% Chinese players, and if even a moderately competent company makes a proper PUBG clone (Fortnite isn't it) then PUBG will be 100% Chinese and everyone else will switch to that clone. Every patch they release fixes one thing and breaks three things. It's like the game engine itself is tired of all the abuse and just wants to end it all, but the doctors are keeping it alive with saline drips and an iron lung.

If DICE makes a PUBG clone with Bad Company 2 style building destruction, it might be enough to break my boycott of EA games. Maybe.

>>14268427

I seriously doubt it, to be honest.

The kind of people that play PUBG goes there because it's what everyone else is playing, not unlike CoD.

Even with an alternative, it'd still be a "PUBG clone".

Fortnite gets a pass in a way because it's its own thing with the base building. It's the gimmick they already had before adding the Battle Royale and sets it apart from PUBG, atracting a section of the market that wants that mechanic.

If DICE tried to do the same, they'd need a gimmick as well to win over players otherwise it's just a clone of the original idea and nobody would switch because "well, all my friends are playing this and everyone wants to see me stream this so I'll stay here".

The point is, the only way PUBG will ever have a successful clone is if it comes with it's own interesting gimmick.

>>14254851

> and with Overwatch also dying a slow death because E-sports on a game with the lowest skill ceiling.

OW is dying because it is terrible spectator E-sport. There is no good way to watch it. First person is nauseating and tiresome to look from POV of aderal kid going fast. 3rd POV makes it impossible to appreciate skill and execution. There is to much action non stop going at once you can't observe all plays. Camera focusing one player leaves 80% of action unseen. Far away camera showing all team makes skill and execution invisible even more. Matches are too long for their large amount of action with no breaks.

BTW it is all glaringly obvious if you spectate couple really high speed low drag matches. It is hilarious how everyone in Blizzard was blind and oblivious to these problems of OW spectating and pushed for E-sports game that is inherently unsuited for spectating.

>>14268501

Basically if you want to have real success you need to make new game. Like really new mechanics and game-play. This doesn't sounds well for lazy developers living for years by formula "just make another 3rd shooter".

>>14268268

>you could ask for a refund or charge them with fraud

You can't because you waved away all human right signing ToS .

>>14268501

>The kind of people that play PUBG goes there because it's what everyone else is playing

I play it with friends because they gifted it to me, and the updates have gotten so bad that my friends have almost entirely stopped playing. The moment a good clone pops up, they are going to switch to it, and they will gift it to me again.

>if it comes with it's own interesting gimmick.

Hence the building destruction suggestion. Hell even just some simple bullet penetration would make it the superior choice, it sucks losing gunfights because of some wood railings getting in the way.

>>14268602

>Basically if you want to have real success you need to make new game. Like really new mechanics and game-play.

Yes and no.

You don't actually have to reinvent the wheel, you can instead just see a car and decide to make a bicycle instead.

Some games have decent ideas but they don't appeal to everyone, while other games simply have terrible execution of good ideas.

Any competition and re-use the basic concept and go from there, but they do need to change something about it.

For instance, there have been several attempts at a clone of TF2 but not many survived at all.

Overwatch managed to get by because it did teamwork and "stalemate breaking" in a very different way.

Battleborn came afterwards and did nothing new with the idea so it did not survive.

Paladins came as well and it did made something somewhat different with several different mechanics and teamwork to the point that it's distinctive enough from Overwatch.

Then comes Paragon and Lawbreakers that try to present new ideas while completely abandoning their roots but nothing that's new is good and nothing that was good remains, so they also fail.

The key point is that you just need something in your game that atracts an audience. It doesn't have to be the whole game, but it has to be something at least if you want to draw players from already existing playerbases and keeping them for longer.

>You can't because you waved away all human right signing ToS

Please, no exagerations.

If the ToS says "repeatdly insulting other players is considered negative behaviour and you'll lose your account for that", it's something pretty shitty but it's legal.

However, unless the ToS contains "if you ever use curse words in a video that showcases this game, you'll have your account removed", then you won't lose your account for that since that'd be illegal.

>>14268704

>However, unless the ToS contains "if you ever use curse words in a video that showcases this game, you'll have your account removed", then you won't lose your account for that since that'd be illegal.

Tell me about it

>Blizzard reserves the right to terminate this Agreement at any time for any reason, or for no reason, with or without notice to you.

>In the event of a termination of this Agreement, any right you may have had to any pre-purchased Game access or virtual goods, such as digital cards, currency, weapons, armor, wearable items, skins, sprays, pets, mounts, etc., are forfeit, and you agree and acknowledge that you are not entitled to any refund for any amounts which were pre-paid on your Account prior to any termination of this Agreement. In addition, you will not be able to use the Platform.

>termination at any time for no reason

>no refund

>>14268816

Gigantic Failure

>>14268746

You gonna have to give some citations mate.

Best I can find is: http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/about/termsofuse.html

Where it's specific that you have to be warned before they terminate your account and with the reason for it. It also only happens if you fail to comply with the ToS but since I found nothing about saying "fuck" on youtube…

Why do you do this? You're just making yourself look like a fool, making claims you can't prove.

Do you also go around claiming you were raped by random people?

You're not even helping whatever you think you're helping, you're just making any suspicion of Blizzard seem like something that only paranoid schizoids do.

>>14268757

That reminds me of stories about some Hi-Rez guy that was in charge of designing Smite and how everyone hated playing against him. If he lost, he'd throw a bitchfit and then force the team to nerf whatever God killed him.

>>14268881

You gonna have to give some citations mate.

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/eula

>10.B

>>14269117

>For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most Account suspensions and terminations are the result of violations of this Agreement

Oh, so they break the agreement at any point you break a role on it.

And there's still no rule for "you can't say mean words on Youtube!"

What seems to be the issue here? You actually think they are gonna terminate accounts left and right just because they feel like it? That'd make no sense, the bad rep alone is enough to deter that.

In reality, what's gonna happen is that if a player causes a situation where another player will stop playing the game, then Blizzard will remove the player that provoked this since the other one isn't likely to induce the same problem in the future.

In other words, they want to trim out the players that scare away other players.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong, but it makes perfect sense if the idea is to have the biggest amount of players playing your game. Why would you ever expect otherwise?

In fact, maybe if this attitude was taken for many older games, they'd still be alive instead of underpopulated by autistic freaks that can't communicate unless it's in Common Banter.

>>14269280

>Oh, so they break the agreement at any point you break a role on it.

Stop lying.

>Blizzard reserves the right to terminate this Agreement at any time for any reason, or for no reason, with or without notice to you.

>at any time for any reason, or for no reason

Say it 100 times loud end call before post again.

They MAY explain shit but reserve right to not explain anything. This is what i call

>your wave out any rights

>What seems to be the issue here?

The issue that is the peace of shit but not a contract. One side completely depends on the goodwill of another side. Do you understand that contracts appeared in the first place because you can't just depend on the goodwill?

>>14269280

>You actually think they are gonna terminate accounts left and right just because they feel like it? That'd make no sense, the bad rep alone is enough to deter that.

Yes, because companies these days and leftists in particular are not known for angering their customers and banning anyone for being even slightly more right than the farthest left. Besides, the average idiot can see however many examples of wrongful banning as they want and not consider it a problem. Most of the time they'll try to justify it anyway, with something like "they broke the ToS so it was deserved". Actually, the way you defend heavily anti-consumer terms of service reminds me of that.

>>14283328

Looks like a Steve Universe fan's Wonderful 101 OC.

>>14283328

Starbarians anyone? No?

>>14256183

I wanted to play the game just because of that swordsman, but it was Windows 10 required and I passed.

He's so damn cool.

>>14283542

they moved it to PWE, and you could play it in older windows versions, still had the 6 Ram requirement

Also, PWE is known for not understanding the word "marketing"

>>14283567

Oh gross PWE

>>14283583

yeah, poor bastards didn't have a chance, being pseudo mobashit and tied to PWE a.k.a "we don't need publicity for this new gimmicky game, its gonna sell itself on its own,….wait what do you mean we have less than 300 active players? "

It was a death sentence

I tried Gigantic, briefly. It felt to me like one of those MOBAs that would've been better if it weren't designed like a MOBA. "This is the core game type. Everyone is balanced for this game type. There's a linear order for a scripted set of objectives that every player should follow." That shit. I'd like to see more character-based arena games not lean on one simple game-type so much.

>>14254839

>edgelords

What does that even mean?

Some of you soy enhanced queerbaits label anything that isn't an anime girl an edgelord.

Judging by the art style, nothing in that image is an "edgelord" by any educated definition. Good fucking grief. You'll break anything that doesn't give you dickfeelsor adhere to your sexual interests or any sexual interests at all "edgy" or "tryhard" or "entry level" if it's anime being discussed. What do you want? For god's sake this shit looks like Tumblr: the game and you're using "edgelords" to deconstruct it? I'd just say it looks really fucking gay, but you…god damn you.

>>14285845

>There's a linear order for a scripted set of objectives that every player should follow." That shit.

How about MP Dynasty Warriors?