/v/ - Video Games

>>14221558

>You can buy an old book and read it the same way that a reader could when it was released.

>You can buy an old movie and watch it the same way that a viewer could when it was released.

No, not really.

Don't emulators exist for this very reason? There's only so much hardware that can be made.

>>14221601

Emulators within in a operating system conjures more input lag than a dedicated system.

>>14221630

Source

>>14221630

RetroArch with the correct settings (and depending on what system you are emulating probably) seems to have effectively zero input lag.

https://forums.libretro.com/t/an-input-lag-investigation/4407/524

>>14221656

>(Old and Middle English might still be English, but they are not 100% the same as modern English)

You can't figure out the general meaning of words from their context?

>>14221721

>saints row 2

no why

>>14221860

An untrained English speaker has a far better chance of understanding German, because German is quite close to modern English. It wasn’t until the “Middle English” period that the German influences came over to Britain and starting giving us a fuck-ton of cognates. For the very simple conversational stuff, an English speaker is probably going to be tripped up over the Latin-style sentence structure more than some of the words.

>Ctrl-F

>CRT

>1 result

Goddamnit, /v/

>>14221656

>have you not heard of something like Nintendo's virtual console

>implying Nintendo will ever release each and every old game on VC

>implying Nintendo gives two fucks about archiving when they actively destroy their own game source code to prevent "theft"

Fuck off Nutendo shill.

Did everybody here saved copy of all roms for at least one old console on their external HDD/SSD drive yet?

If not, I recommend to do that.

>>14221921

an english speaker with no knowledge of german or other germanic languages like dutch or swedish has no chance to understand german outside of a few cognates that will make an appearance in maybe one out of thirty words read, at best.

some basic sentences are the exceptions that prove the rule, ie 'ich studiere deutsch' = 'i study german', but 'ich habe beim unterrichten deutsch studiert' = 'i have studied german in lessons'.

and old english is so different because when the french-speaking normans conquered england, they imposed the french language on the upper stratum of english society and a huge influx of words, grammatical structure, and pronunciation resulted from this. for a couple hundred years french and not english was the primary language of the english royalty and nobility.

>>14221656

>Wrong. Try reading KJV some time, it was written for a different audience with a different language (Old and Middle English might still be English, but they are not 100% the same as modern English).

Wrong. It's written in Early Modern English and is generally agreed to be at roughly an 8th grade reading level. Once you figure out what the difference between thou and you there very many other difference. Old English is the stuff that's actually lost to time. Beowulf is an example.

>>14221947

Are there any current sites/projects for archiving and preserving these things? For the OG Xbox we have everything that was available to download, but what about 360/PS3?

>>14221860

>>14221921

No you retards.

Old English was literally a dialect of old German. The reason it sounds so different today is two important events that happened;

1.) The Norman Conquest of England brought with it the introduction of French Vernacular to English (English became less Germanic and more Latinized)

2.) The "Great Vowel Shift" of the 1600s to 1700s (Words like "Gotham" for example, are no longer pronounced "Goat Home" as was its original pronounciation)

>>14221966

There have been a few instances where I could have sworn that some one speaking German was speaking English with a thick accent, only in very simple sentences of course.

When I got into folk music I slapped myself across the head when I looked at translations of some of the Swedish songs which I liked because of how damn similar the vocabulary and pronunciation were.

This is all because Modern English is the ultimate linguistic mongrel and that's because fucking vikings and some vikings larping as frenchies wouldn't leave poor Harold along

>>14221971

>>14221966

You're missing the point. These texts are still available for modern generations to read and study. If Sony/Microsoft decides to shutdown their servers a massive library becomes completely unobtainable

>>14221972

I've never heard of any such project despite the desperate need for it. In fact, there's been a couple of emulation threads where someone asks if there's a place to download the DLC for a game, and the answer is always no.

>>14221979

>literally a dialect of Old German

If we’re talking about the connection to the old Celtic and Scandinavian dialects, sure.

>>14222005

old english was a branch of old germanic and was mutually intelligible with old norse.

>>14221558

Im going to archive my dick in your ass

lol

>>14222005

Scandinavian is considered one of the North Germanic dialects and is of a different branch than old Engliah. Old English is a branch of West Germanic

>>14221843

probably because it was free a while ago

>>14221991

maybe you could've thought that they were speaking english with a thick accent, but when it comes to actually understanding what they're saying only a few basic words and very basic sentences would be understood, at best.

and swedish is different because swedish grammar is simplified in a way very similar to english; both being dissimilar to german in that respect. many words are common amongst all germanic languages, but with english it's a much smaller amount because of the large amount of latinic words that have crept in. for example: awake (english), erwache (german), vaken (swedish); but compare dictionary (english), woerterbuch (german), ordbok (swedish).

>>14221979

exactly, so many retards ITT confusing old english/anglo-saxon with middle english and onwards. and the retard saying that KJV-era english isn't able to be understood by us today, rofl.

>>14222023

again, old english/anglo-saxon was mutually intelligible with old norse.

>>14222042

There was more than one dialect of Norse as well, including old west Norse which likely was influenced by western Germanic tongues

>>14222023

Always good to have a proper linguist here. Thanks, anon.

>>14222053

the divergence of old norse into its' different branches occured after 700ad-ish, and old norse was itself a branch of old germanic.

>>14222059

You're probably not wrong. I never closely studied the development of Norse itself. Thanks for the knowledge anon

>>14222042

Many historical linguist believe that certain dialects had rough mutual intelligibility, but I don't think that they were like modern Swedish and Norwegian.

One Old English dialect would say"Wei sind" similar to the Modern German conjugation "Wir sind," but another would say, "Wei erunn" similar to the Old Norse "Wi erum."

I the shift from archaic to Old Norse most of the letters, "s" turned into the letters,"r."

Pardonnez-moi if my spelling isn't perfect. I don't practice most of the languages, and I was only demonstrating a principle.

How the fuck did this turn into a medieval language tread?

>>14221947

> When Sony eventually decides to discontinue support for the system, it will become impossible to play the majority of its library without emulation or tracking down a Japanese copy of the game

Support in the West has been discontinued already, as system manufacturing was stopped in mid-2016 in the USA and Europe. It's still currently thriving in Japan but this means that you have to rely on imports, which suck balls in case you're an europoor

Not to mention the amount of scalpers who take a pleasure with the limited prints from Limited Run Games or japanese VNs (that get bought by westernfags only for trophy speedrunning regardless of the content).

>>14222125

That's in terms of retail, though. I'm talking about Sony dropping support for the system entirely. That means no more Playstation Store access (good bye, western Vita game library) and no access to the PSN to play games online. I hope the retro gamers of the future have friends to do ad hoc with if they want to play games like Freedom Wars or Soul Sacrifice.

>>14221558

>With the Xbox 360's laughably bad hardware problems will it even be possible to play Fable 2 in twenty years?

Possibly. People have actually converted 360 games to PC games, MS set it up to be fairly easy to do.

The only solution would be changes to copyright law where devs are required to submit the source code of their games to the copyright office for public release once the game goes into public domain, or some otther system to faclitate the preservation and public release of source code.

This will never happen.

>>14222178

I think the biggest issue could be the access to patches/updates from sony servers if they ever go down. Which is why I've been backing up this kind of content (from a couple of my physicals, alongside with the saves) to my computer through qcma, just in case.

Speaking of Soul Sacrifice, I own the asia english version of Delta but cant play the online because of the shitty (region-locked) Online Pass that Sony imposed back then, while I own a jap psn account.

>Should every video game be saved for future generations?

Whether or not you want to admit it, The Patriots were right. Not everything is worth saving, most information is lost to time, as it should be. Why bother saving the most banal graffiti scrawled on the walls, when thousands of years later humans are doing the exact same things right here. Nothing can be learned from that shit. For all the prophecies of doom and disaster through all of history, your average layman has almost always turned out fine, barely aware of society crumbling around him. What you think doesn't fucking matter. You are the NPC. Solidus did everything wrong.

>>14222181

Source??

>>14222399

https://archive.is/TdboM

Posting a (((kotaku))) article bitching about ebul pirate because it's good for a laugh and i can't be assed to dig through cheeki breeki land for the real deal.

>>14221558

Thats the reason I never trade in my consoles or console games. Even the shit ones I keep.

>>14222428

>She

>Entitled gaymers

Fucking hell everytime

>>14221617

>We live in an age of obsessive archiving people.

We are formless. We are the very discipline and morality that Americans invoke so often. How can anyone hope to eliminate us? As long as this nation exists, so will we. Don’t you know that our plans have your interests–not ours–in mind? The mapping of the human genome was completed early this century. As a result, the evolutionary log of the human race lay open to us. We started with genetic engineering, and in the end we succeeded in digitizing life itself. But there are things not covered by genetic information. Human memories, ideas. Culture. History. Genes don’t contain any record of human history. Is it something that should not be passed on? Should that information be left at the mercy of nature? We’ve always kept records of our lives. Through words, pictures, symbols… from tablets to books to tablets again… But not all the information was inherited by later generations. A small percentage of the whole was selected and processed, then passed on. Not unlike genes, really.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander… All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context. The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards development of convenient half-truths. Just look at the strange juxtapositions of morality around you. Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans. Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims. Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations are made to protect endangered species. Everyone grows up being told the same thing. Be nice to other people… but beat out the competition! You’re special. Believe in yourself and you will succeed. But it’s obvious from the start that only a few can succeed…

You exercise your right to “freedom” and this is the result. All rhetoric to avoid conflict and protect each other from hurt. The untested truths spun by different interests to chum and accumulate in the sandbox of political correctness and value systems. Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds leaking whatever “truth” suits them into the growing cesspool of society. The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. Nobody is invalidated, but nobody is right. Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in “truth.” And this is the way the world ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper.

We’re trying to stop that from happening. It’s our responsibility as rulers. Just as in genetics, unnecessary information and memory must be filtered out to stimulate the evolution of the species. Who else could wade through the sea of garbage you people produce, retrieve valuable truths and even interpret their meaning for later generations? That’s what it means to create context.

>>14221558

Here's a way to preserve a video game. Throw it in the garbage.

>>14221617

I know of a handful of really obscure PS2 and PS1 titles that can't be find anywhere online.

>>14223504

found*

>>14223504

Like?

>>14221617

>We live in an age of obsessive archiving people.

There's nothing wrong with that.

It is essential that people archive.

It is the only way that some of us will even achieve immortality.

>>14223504

What ones?

>>14222387

>why bother saving the most banal graffiti on walls

>he forgot about the ancient roman shitposting

You sincerely disgust me anon, you are not preserving with this logic

>>14221630

You're just spewing theoretical hazards. Most emulators have negligible if not zero input lag, especially for anything pre-PS2/GameCube/Xbox gen. There really isn't any reason to not just have your own emulation library if you're interested in preservation at all.

>>14221960

Got everything from the first Odyssey all the way through the N64 and GBA. Those ROMs go on my flash carts.

>>14223504

Almost everything is on The ISO Zone, except Nintendo shit, but you should already have their stuff, if you care to play it at all.

I haven't gotten to the point where I want to archive disc images, as I lack the physical space in my computer case to add a fourth hard drive. I should build a fileserver to handle this kind of stuff, but the need isn't quite there.

>>14221833

Libretro is cancer and pozzed as fuck.

>>14223333

>>14235118

the most terrifying shit

>>14221558

>Why are pirates who have been vilified by mainstream media the sole guardians of old games?

Because the mainstream media is only interested in profit.

>Can every video game be saved for future generations?

Yes

>Should every video game be saved for future generations?

Yes. Even the bad ones are things to learn from, and may have some merits worth remembering.

The bigger problem is whether anyone will want to play those games.

Any of you lads know how to backup GameCube saves to PC that doesn't involve a Wii? I have no Wii.

>>14221558

Tons of movies from the 20 and 30s are gone forever, and people are scrambling to convert what they can to Digital.

We only recently salvaged important scenes from the movie Metropolis, and theres still plenty of content missing.

It happens much more quickly with videogames, but the same kinds of people who work to preserve those old films are doing so with Vidya.

That's one of the driving motivations behind Cracking the Sega Saturn Firmware since it's the lazers on those systems are starting to wear out.

>>14225563

That was my exact fucking point you tremendous retard. I said we're doing the same thing right here. Nothing here is worth preserving, Just burn the internet to the fucking ground.

>>14257227

SD Media Launcher.

>>14221979

Gotham - goat home

Mind - blown

Gothic - goatic or goat hick?

>>14257954

Thanks, my guy.

>>14222387

>Vidya, a resource which can be made plentiful at a moment's notice with near-zero effort and holds actual sentimental value to a large amount of people

>equatable to passive structural vandalism which can only exist in its precise form once and is unknown to all but a handful of individuals at any one time

Kill yourself.

>>14227173

What's truly worrisome is the fact that every successive console generation takes an exponentially longer amount of time to emulate to a functional extent. We already had reliable emulation software/hardware for the first four generations in the 1990s. Bleemcast existed for the fifth gen before the turn of the Millennium. By the sixth gen, it took several years for a competent set of emulators to come out and only in the past couple have we bordered on perfection. Work on the seventh didn't even begin until earlier this decade and we're barely past the gate as we speak. We're not even thinking about the eighth and probably won't until next decade.

Also this

>>14235588

I think the best thing one can do at this point in time is to create software-based replicas while there are still physical examples around. Then call in the cavalry via this generation's finest electronics experts to see if reverse engineering and obtaining the memes to manufacture new units would be feasible. If not, stick to shells containing the recreated versions and move on to the next machine.

>>14235118

How the fuck does any 40 year old book get in that bad of a state? That thing on the right looks like it would just sag into a pile of nothingness if you so much as prodded it with your finger.

>>14228043

>libretro proves input lag isn't a factor

<oh but it's shit because of politics

Just fork it and do it better, or don't pay attention to them.

>>14258243

>spoiler

Water damage. Once water hits it, mould develops and eats away at the paper, which is made of pulp.

Synthetic paper exists and resists much better, but it's more expensive, so there's no real reason to swap over to it due to digital preservation, which in theory can't be destroyed.

Obviously it can due to hardware failure, but hopefully HDD failure will be eradicated within our lifetimes, and there's RAID systems until then.

>>14258373

why don't you just chisel bits into rocks? a tried and proven method

>>14221843

saint row 2 its not as wacky as SR3 or 4, it balance out the serious tone and lolsorandumb moment

>>14222428

I thought it was an onion article

>>14221656

There's arguing for the sake of arguing, and then there's this.

Wew lad. How's autism treating you lately?

This is why I keep saying connecting the hardware to the Internet was the worst thing to happen to video games.