5555f5 No.14208138
I never did get around to playing third generation Pokemon. Which is the best way to experience it, Ruby/Sapphire, Emerald, or the 3DS remakes?
0a32b1 No.14208151
>>14208138
Emerald's got extra content, fights against both enemy teams, introduced some nifty changes to abilities (Magma Armor and Flame Body's out of combat effect is great if you like breeding things) and include the Battle Frontier if that's your thing, which if memory serves the 3DS remakes don't bother including. Do keep in mind though that third gen was before the Physical/Special split though.
c46859 No.14208153
>>14208138
Pick Emerald with some romhack that adds difficulty.
bff2f6 No.14208157
Just play emerald with some QoL improvement romhacks
Pokemon isn't exactly a series worth spending your time into.
ef21b6 No.14208213
Fuck the remakes, they're fucking terrible.
I couldn't even bring myself to beat Alpha Sapphire.
5555f5 No.14208215
>>14208151
>>14208153
>>14208157
Fair enough, any suggestions? Preferably as a patch that will work on any version of the ROM regardless of language.
aad93a No.14208236
The 3DS remakes were awful for me, but it could be related to the fact that I played the originals so much.
Generally speaking however the 3DS remakes really do look like shit and have pretty much no content changes.
I think you might as well play Emerald.
ecfa00 No.14208238
It's funny how Crystal, a generation 2 game, was ahead of generation 3 in terms of animation.
R/S had static sprites, Emerald's idea of animated sprites was just stretching the sprite. Crystal had actual animations where limbs moved and mouths opened.
9fd534 No.14208242
Gen 3 is the RE4 of the pokemon series. A pale shadow compared to its predecessor.
bff2f6 No.14208244
>>14208215
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1991/
This one is neat because it cuts down on Nintendo's kikery by allowing you to actually get every pokemon ingame.
124b2f No.14208246
play ORAS if you have CFW, otherwise just play Emerald
they're pretty weak entries either way though
>>14208215
see if you can find something that patches in the events, like catching mew
you can actually probably do that yourself with a save modifier, which you'll want anyways for when you reach battle frontier
87ba5e No.14208255
>>14208242
Elaborate? I don't think they were that different from their predecessor except for having less content (1 region instead of two) but more mechanics (bike tricks, running, planting berries, secret bases…etc)
>>14208246
>play ORAS
Hey Medusa.
d50200 No.14208256
>>14208246
Emerald is a good entry to the series. ORAS is a massive disappointment.
124b2f No.14208268
>>14208255
ORAS does some things much better than Gen 3
It has the split and other enchancements and makes Wally into a worthy rival rather than a joke.
dfe7dc No.14208298
>>14208138
I liked Omega Ruby, I had never played Emerald prior to it though, so it was all a new experience for me.
Better soundtrack by far, though.
87ba5e No.14208309
>>14208268
>It has the split
>muh all gens before 4 are obsolete now
Nice try.
>other enchancements
Such as?
>makes Wally into a worthy rival
>rather than a joke
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If anything they made him more of a wimp, in fact I don't recall any improvements to any of the old characters…
>archie becomes muh diversity
>maxie becomes closet fag
>wallace becomes flamboyant fag
>may becomes retarded and catches the shauna syndrome
>>14208298
Go play it right now
aad93a No.14208311
>>14208238
This
But then again every pokemon game, even the new ones, are always missing clear improvements previous titles had
87ba5e No.14208316
>>14208311
>even the new ones
Especially the new ones
22008b No.14208320
>>14208242
Except gen 2 was shit. Gen 3 was a strict upgrade in every way.
>muh day/night cycle tho
>>14208309
Wallace was always a flamboyant fag though.
aad93a No.14208327
>>14208320
>Except gen 2 was shit
Gen 2 was the last gen that actually pushed the standards of the games. Gen 3 was an improvement because of better hardware, but it was worse or the same in game design in almost every way
a5ac7b No.14208331
>>14208268
But that was the point of Wally, anon. He was shit at Pokémon but he kept trying to beat you to make himself stronger and every time he lost he actually got more and more confident. Wally changes over the course of the game and that final fight with him was the best.
87ba5e No.14208338
>>14208320
>Except gen 2 was shit
Gen2 was the best; 2 regions, plenty of sidequests, no sentimental bullshit, no handholding. Also the last gen to not add this whole "save the world" and "get the box legendary in a scripted event" shtick.
>Wallace was always a flamboyant fag though
Did he have pelvic windows to showcase his ass before though?
22008b No.14208340
>>14208327
>Gen 2 was the last gen that actually pushed the standards of the games.
No, that was gen 4. Gen 2 was terrified of doing anything new (reuse of team rocket), the new pokemon were almost all gen 1 rejects with only a small handful actually being good, had a horrendously bad level curve and kanto was a waste of space because it was so fucking empty. Take off the goggles and try evaluating it objectively.
71163b No.14208346
5555f5 No.14208347
Hitting a bit of a snag now. Tried downloading both the JP and NA versions of Emerald a couple times now, can't get it to run. Not having problems with anything else, did Emerald have some kind of anti-piracy hoops to jump through?
aad93a No.14208356
>>14208340
>adds 8 whole new gyms plus a new region
>waste of space
Nigga are you for real? It's more game
If the sequels had actually followed the curve of improvement set by the ambition of Gen 2 we would have fucking masterpieces right now. Gen 3 instead decided to go back to 8 gyms, region size didn't increase, sprite animation disappeared, battle tower disappeared, day and night cycle was removed, instead of an interesting follow up to the team rocket they introduced the "we're the evil team and we want to resurrect this legendary pokemon".
Gen 3 is almost single handedly responsible for pokemon falling into the rut it's been stuck since the early 2000s. It was the first game that introduced a ton of pointless trash, didn't improve on anything but graphics and paved the way for the series to become the rehashed trash it is today.
87ba5e No.14208363
>>14208347
Nintendo recently cracked down on all major ROM sites, the files you downloaded are probably corrupted so they were not removed. Here's my copy:
https://files.catbox.moe/0elad1.7z
What emulator btw?
5555f5 No.14208367
>>14208363
>Nintendo recently cracked down on all major ROM sites, the files you downloaded are probably corrupted so they were not removed.
Emuparadise got fucked, yeah, but LoveROMs seemed to be unaffected, and the other Pokemon ROMs I got off there seem to work fine.
>Here's my copy:
Thanks
>What emulator btw?
Visual Boy Advance, no idea if that's the best/worst or what though.
87ba5e No.14208375
>>14208367
>Visual Boy Advance
Eh, it does the trick. The most accurate emulator currently is mGBA, but I haven't got time to test it fully yet.
There are others here: http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Game_Boy_Advance_emulators
22008b No.14208390
>>14208349
>facts I don't like are bait
>>>/leftypol/
>Gen 2 is the pinnacle of the franchise. It came out during the peak of the 90's Pokémon craze.
It came out when when we were dumb kids that were intelligent enough to follow fads but too stupid to think about them.
>Gen 2 was perfect
Good to know you're fair an unbiased.
>It atleast did the 'reboot' thing better than gen 5 did. But you have to be insane to say it's better than gen 2.
Why are you bringing up gen 5?
>People stopped caring about Pokémon when gen 3 came out.
>I speak for literally everyone
>>>/leftypol/
>>14208356
>adds 8 whole new gyms plus a new region
I don't think you know what "new" means. It was the same gyms you've done before in the same region you've done before with like 2 roadblocks in the entire region that prevent you from doing the gyms in whatever order that provide no challenge or opposition because the game knows there's nowhere to grind because they thought it would be a good idea for wild pokemon to have the same levels they did in gen 1.
>Gen 3 instead decided to go back to 8 gyms
Quality is more important than quantity you fucking retard.
>instead of an interesting follow up to the team rocket they introduced the "we're the evil team and we want to resurrect this legendary pokemon".
Their involvement in gen 2 was them flailing around like headless retards begging for giovanni to come back after he ditched them for being worthless retards. Say what you want about the story in the later games being predictable, but at least they tried something.
The story and single player in general has never mattered at all.
>It was the first game that introduced a ton of pointless trash, didn't improve on anything but graphics and paved the way for the series to become the rehashed trash it is today.
>baby pokemon were an important addition to the series, I have no idea would have managed to carry on without the addition of magby and elekid
>clearly these are far more important than the additions of the modern EV/IV system, abilities, double battles, the phys/spec split or proper online
5555f5 No.14208395
>>14208375
I'll give m a try then, thanks.
>>14208390
>single player in general has never mattered at all.
I only play games single player though. Hell, other than Pokemon, the only games I play that even have multiplayer to my knowledge are the Monster Hunter titles.
87ba5e No.14208404
>>14208390
>the modern EV/IV system, abilities, double battles, the phys/spec split or proper online
Not everyone is a competitive fag you know, after Showdown came to be there's even less reason to keep buying new games just to play competitively.
22008b No.14208408
>>14208404
There hasn't been a reason to buy the games since gen 4 when piracy became piss easy.
aad93a No.14208412
>>14208390
>more gyms
>Durr it doesn't count cause they're not new
>Quality is more important than quantity you fucking retard.
>quality
>literally the same quality if not worse than the 8 gyms from gen 2
mhhhh
>Their involvement in gen 2 was them flailing around like headless retards begging for giovanni to come back after he ditched them for being worthless retards
And that's what made them interesting. The story works in gen 2 because you can actually see what impact YOU made. You see the consequence and get to live it. Endlessly better than just having a villain of the week.
aad93a No.14208424
>>14208420
God I miss team rocket
87ba5e No.14208431
>>14208408
>falling for the "piracy killed vidya sales!" meme
A game being good is reason enough to buy it.
>>14208398
>Swarms
???
>Incorporation of legendaries into the plot
Aside from Crystal this hasn't been a thing.
>>14208424
>God I miss team rocket
Yeah, but at least they stayed in their old games where they were best represented, and weren't shoehorned into later games for nostalgia-bait right? :^)
22008b No.14208439
>>14208412
The kanto gyms were all piss easy to the point of it feeling like a chore to do them. In the early game the gyms could follow a level curve somewhat but everything after blackthorne goes full retard, either being too high in the case of blackthorne itself or too low for everything post e4.
>The story works in gen 2 because you can actually see what impact YOU made
This only works if you make something interesting. All team rocket accomplished in gen 2 was falling down a well and making a radio broadcast. There's also the fact that they can't react properly since you're playing a different character, which highly limits the interaction.
>>14208424
People like you are the reason the series can't move forward and instead keeps sucking it's own dick. You are the reason mega charizard X and Y exist and I hate you for it.
>>14208431
>falling for the "piracy killed vidya sales!" meme
Except that's not what I said at all.
>A game being good is reason enough to buy it.
Too bad the games aren't worth buying.
ecfa00 No.14208460
>>14208431
If you listen to the radio at certain times or get phone calls from certain trainers, they'll tell you there's a swarm of [otherwise rare mons] in a certain route. That means 100% encounter rate.
aad93a No.14208496
>>14208439
And you're one of the faggots that will buy Game Freak's trash and defend the new games.
To each their own.
At least I like good games and not committee made garbage
22008b No.14208505
>>14208496
>And you're one of the faggots that will buy Game Freak's trash
>buy
Wew, it's almost like you didn't even read my post.
ea09f5 No.14208507
Everyone who thinks Gen 2 wasn't a perfect game in every way is a shit-stirring goon.
Go back to posting about how much you hate anime on /pol/ faggots.
ecfa00 No.14208511
>>14208507
>implying anyone goes to /pol/ anymore
Isn't that board dead? I heard it's just filled with bots. Any real user has been banned by that faggot Imkampfy.
aad93a No.14208516
>>14208505
play, buy, no difference.
You're still a faggot
22008b No.14208526
>>14208511
>I heard it's just filled with bots
No, that's /leftypol/.
>>14208516
The difference is pretty significant. Also good job on admitting to not having played the later games, really makes your wrong opinions seem so much more valid.
ea09f5 No.14208543
>>14208511
>>14208526
Yeah, that's /pol/.
No discussion, no criticism, suck Trumps cock on everything regardless.
49ce91 No.14208556
>>14208543
>sucks Trumps cock on everything regardless
You clearly haven't been to the threads where they call him a cryptokike regardless.
87ba5e No.14208563
d50200 No.14208570
>>14208507
Gen 2 is outclassed by HG/SS.
ea09f5 No.14208576
>>14208556
>call trump cyptokike
>get banned
<lol it's great
/pol/ is for shitposting
>>14208563
It's already been established that gen 2 is the best, read the thread.
bbac82 No.14208586
>>14208578
EVs exist in Gen 2
22008b No.14208591
>>14208576
Except anyone who's played the games outside of the 90s fad will tell you that gen 4 was the best and gen 2 aged like shit.
>>14208578
>it's shallower so it's better
>pokemon is too hard for me
ea09f5 No.14208603
>>14208591
>gen 2 aged like shit
>muh graphhicks
The graphics are fine; you've been spoiled by time, not the game.
a6d7cf No.14208605
Emerald, the remakes removed the game corner with no actual replacement.
e2e674 No.14208606
I never played any Pokemon, where should I start?
93e4fb No.14208607
Battle Frontier can keep you busy with literally hundreds of hours.
5555f5 No.14208609
>>14208606
I recommend from the original Red/Blue/Green/Pikachu generation myself.
aad93a No.14208610
>>14208526
>Also good job on admitting to not having played the later games
I've tried them for sure, never stuck around to actually finishing them
e2e674 No.14208615
>>14208609
does red/blue/green/pika contain different content between games? If so, is there some sort of "definitive xDD" version I can play that has everything from gen 1?
22008b No.14208618
>>14208603
Too bad I never said anything about graphics. Gen 2 is a chore to play and the mechanics are still wonky and lack polish.
>>14208606
Tbh don't.
>>14208610
So you're confirming that your opinions are invalid and you don't know what you're talking about.
bbac82 No.14208624
>>14208615
The games are the same just small changes to what mons you can get. Yellow lets you get all the starters so that's a big advantage, though it also has small changes that make it more/less charming depending on how much you like the old show.
ea09f5 No.14208625
>>14208618
<I didn't mean graphics
<I meant gameplay
>which is universally recognized as perfect
OwO bait desu
bbac82 No.14208628
>>14208625
>the gameplay of gen 2
>universally recognized as perfect
I don't think universally means what you think it means.
5555f5 No.14208629
>>14208615
>does red/blue/green/pika contain different content between games?
A handful of different Pokemon, but otherwise not much between Red and Green. Blue had revamped sprites, which then got used in the American Red and Blue versions, though in spite of the name the American Blue is based on the Japanese Green for capturable Pokemon, while Japanese Blue has a separate set entirely. Pikachu version is the most radical departure, meant as something of a tie-in to the anime, so the player starts with a Pikachu and it replaces some Team Rocket grunts with the trio from the anime, and had a few other events and balance changes here and there.
2edc5d No.14208633
>>14208606
Platnium, then Heart Gold or Soul Silver, play Black or White if you're concerned about missing out on plot, then play Black 2 or White 2. Make sure to use difficulty mods (Drayano mods and Drayano inspired mods are recommended).
22008b No.14208637
>>14208625
>which is universally recognized as perfect
>my opinion speaks for literally everyone ever
>the fuckawful exp curve alone proves you wrong
So is this one of those retarded on purpose things I've heard about?
aad93a No.14208642
>>14208618
>So you're confirming that your opinions are invalid and you don't know what you're talking about.
You don't need to play 40 hours of a pokemon game to tell that it's shit. Get to the second gym, if you're generous, and you've already seen everything the game has to offer.
76ed98 No.14208644
>>14208606
Honestly? Gold and Silver, because everything that >>14208398 said is absolutely correct. I don't know if it's the best gen, because I've only played up to Gen 3 myself, but it is certainly my favorite and the best out of the first three gens.
As far as I can tell, Pokemon has gotten more retarded with time, although I suppose it could be that I'm just out of touch.
aad93a No.14208656
>>14208644
You're not. The new games have nothing to do with the spirit of the first ones.
bbac82 No.14208657
>>14208642
>Get to the second gym, if you're generous, and you've already seen everything the game has to offer.
>pokemon don't even have their best moves/final evolutions
>the actual meta-elements aren't even close to showing up in the game yet
>you don't have any of the interesting hold items
>barely seen even half the mons
>you've seen everything it has to offer
Ignorance is never a solid place to argue from my man.
db7dad No.14208660
>>14208563
Stop being objectively wrong, then. imkikey is a yid and needs to be executed, not just fired.
aad93a No.14208666
>>14208657
>pokemon don't even have their best moves/final evolutions
>as if this makes a game good or bad
>playing a game to grind
>the actual meta-elements aren't even close to showing up in the game yet
>meta
>?????
>you don't have any of the interesting hold items
Has anyone in the history of pokemon ever cared about hold items outside of competitive autists?
>barely seen even half the mons
>the internet doesn't exist
>somehow this matters
Seriously do you go on smogon and think pokemon is a serious competitive game too? Cause that would just be the cherry on top of this shit cake
f989c1 No.14208669
>>14208238
While I do agree that Crystal's spritework is nicer, remember that they had nearly double of the sprites to animate in Emerald, and those sprites are more colors than Crystal's. I can't blame them too much because it's a huge workload.
>>14208340
>Gen 2 was terrified of doing anything new (reuse of team rocket)
Of all the things to criticize, this seems like the dumbest. Especially since Gen 2 did a ton of new shit. Gen 2 was originally going to close out the series, but it was such a massive hit they decided not to.
>>14208356
>Gen 3 is almost single handedly responsible for pokemon falling into the rut it's been stuck since the early 2000s
Completely incorrect. I'd pinpoint it to Gen 5 being the start, with them getting a little lazy in some areas and have more than one Gen on the same handheld series (DS). However it could've and should've been a quick recovery since while Gen 5 was quirky it was still good. It wasn't until Gen 6 where everything went "oh fuck". In fact I think I can say with certainty that Gen 6 games are the most disappointing and wasted potential Pokemon games ever made.
Including Hey You Pikachu.
ea09f5 No.14208672
>>14208637
>I hate thinking critically and want to brute force my way or else its shit
aad93a No.14208673
>>14208669
Gen 3 was the start of it. Of course it wasn't bad when it came out, but that's because we didn't know the way it would go in the next decade.
I'm just identifying that the current problems appeared in gen 3 first
bbac82 No.14208680
>>14208666
>implying it's a grind to get to final evolutions and best moves
<dur, what's the meta
The meta is the game played between the players.
>I don't use hold items
Oh my god, you just keep opening your mouth and making yourself look worse.
>implying you have to be a competitive fag to enjoy the depth of the game
Legitimately git gud faggot.
aad93a No.14208686
>>14208680
lmao this nigga plays pokemon competitively
46f3b6 No.14208688
remakes were nice but you'll want to experience the berry mixing game so play it on a emu first.
also you want a gardevoir on your team best pokemon you can get one same time you help that little shit get his first pokemon which is a ralts as well.
make sure its a female
22008b No.14208692
>>14208672
Pokemon has never required critical thinking outside of competitive and raw levels are really all that matters, specially in earlier gens when pokemon were way more limited in what they could actually do.
>>14208688
Gardevoir is shit.
bbac82 No.14208693
>>14208686
>implying that everyone who plays against other players is "playing competitively"
the core of pokemon is trading and battling with friends faggot. Testing your mons against friends throughout the game as you both play through isn't even close to artistically spending all day on smogon and hacking in mons to go to events.
bbac82 No.14208701
>>14208693
>autistically
Suck it auto-correct.
aad93a No.14208702
>>14208693
Trading and battling were last minute addictions to make use of the GB's connectivity capabilities and for marketing and if you knew anything about pokemon you'd know this
Battling and Trading have close to zero impact on how good a pokemon game is and only fags care about the quality of held items or complex movesets
ea09f5 No.14208705
>>14208692
>raw levels are all that really matter
The more you speak, the more I'm convinced you never actually played a Pokemon game.
bbac82 No.14208715
>>14208702
>pokemon is a series about battling other trainers
>game lets you battle other players as well since the first game in the series
<LOL THAT'S NOT POKEMON!!!
You were the kid who got stomped in battles by all of his "friends" at school and so he stopped battling, weren't you? Either that or the foreveralone fag with a copy of both red and blue playing through by himself to get all the mons.
22008b No.14208716
>>14208705
In single player, levels are a massive deal. Assuming there isn't a massive difference in base stats, a difference of 5 levels is a huge difference in power, especially when you consider that levels are actually taken into account when calculating damage. Typing doesn't mean shit as long you have at least one move that hits for at least neutral and higher speed.
771f9e No.14208719
>>14208688
>Not getting a Gallade in the remakes for ultimate cuhrayziness
87ba5e No.14208739
>>14208606
Start with the series in its heyday, Red/Blue/Yellow and Gold/Silver fuck Crystal
bbac82 No.14208746
>>14208739
I'm not gonna debate this, because I don't care, but "Fuck Crystal" is a rare opinion and I'd actually just really like to hear your reasoning.
63ea8a No.14208806
>>14208138
Currently playing through Emerald (again). Highly recommend it. so I herd you like mudkips
87ba5e No.14208883
>>14208746
Fair enough. One of the main reasons I like G/S is that they are not centered around the box legendary (or any legendary for that matter) which are supposed to be mysterious monsters hidden from the player rather than given to him on a silver platter.
The game focuses on the 8 gyms and the elite four, while giving you hints of a great legendary that you may or may not be worthy of encountering, let alone catching. So you explore the region, find side quests and hidden areas, until you eventually find Ho-Oh/Lugia (all the while progressing through the story at your own pace), which at this point makes the legendary a great reward that you earned by yourself.
Crystal took this great concept and threw it out the window… Now as you progress through the story you encounter Suicune periodically at a very predictable scripted pace, but you can't catch it until you encounter it the very last time. So in this scenario the main game (8 gyms + E4) becomes merely a hurdle in the way of finding that 1 pokemon that keeps teasing you in particular for no valid reason, and when you finally corner it it jumps at you so you can claim it as a gift you're entitled to, reinforcing the whole idea that you're some chosen one and not an average trainer who needs to prove himself (as he should).
f989c1 No.14208905
>>14208883
You do realize all the Suicune events are entirely optional though right? I fully agree with you about how the legendaries should be handled, but Suicune is by no means required
4ba8c4 No.14208913
>>14208213
I stopped playing when they literally just gave me Latios.
bbac82 No.14208917
>>14208883
I see your reasoning and I like it. Now that you mention it when I recently played Crystal for the first time something did feel off. I recall when even seeing the legendary dogs was a crazy event, crystal hands you one in what is honestly a pretty easy battle.
87ba5e No.14208967
>>14208905
I mean you can choose not to cut that first tree and trigger the whole thing (I think?), but otherwise it's in your face one way or another as you progress through the story and reach new areas.
f989c1 No.14208995
>>14208967
Actually I think the first event is the one in Cianwood with the Eusine fight, which is optional, and not triggering that event shouldn't trigger any of the other ones either.
I sorta agree with your idea, but I also like that they tried to make one of the legendary dogs more unique. I love the idea of legendaries having nothing to do with the main plot and instead being extremely crptic and difficult sidequests. In fact I think the best legendary sidequest in the entire series is the Regi Trio ones.
bb2933 No.14209138
>>14208715
It gives you the possibility, but it's not the main focus by any margin.
Nice ad hominem, really shows how fucking poor your argument is
33d212 No.14209730
The 3DS version was worth buying a 2DS for tbh. I don't know how relevant it is anymore but I was a fan, and I don't play Pokemon games anymore (Stopped with HG/SS).
2ad24c No.14209764
Why would anyone over the age of 12 play Pokemon?
c2ea27 No.14209918
>>14209764
They're Numale manchildren who want to dick the pokemon? I don't fucking know, i haven't played the games since ruby, and that was fucking garbage.
6cec16 No.14210113
>>14208669
>It wasn't until Gen 6 where everything went "oh fuck". In fact I think I can say with certainty that Gen 6 games are the most disappointing and wasted potential Pokemon games ever made.
It could've been great. I'm not one to complain about graphics but that framerate in battle scenes was appalling for a main series title. Practically sleepwalked through the entire game on the first run without once getting a game over too. After that all you have left is the hacked online and spreadsheet-optimization chores against rubberband AI.
>>14209764
Why would anyone be so insecure about their maturity and sexuality that they have to project it on others like this? Are you underage?
bbac82 No.14210132
>>14209138
<AD HOMINEM AD HOMINEM
Ad hominem is when you claim someone's argument isn't legitimate because they are x, it's not just when you call someone something you retarded millennial faggot.
>game is about battling other trainers
<it's not the main focus by any margin.
5abdf8 No.14210644
5abdf8 No.14210659
>>14208338
The new games ALL having the "save the world" bullshit and forced as fuck friendships sucks ass
2ad24c No.14210714
>>14209918
>sexuality
Woah, you're extrapolating a lot there, boyo. You sure you're not the one projecting here?
0a32b1 No.14211895
>>14208356
>battle tower disappeared
Just wanted to say that no it didn't, it was in Ruby and Sapphire on a small island you had to take a boat to initially, and in FRLG was on one of the Sevii Islands. Emerald expanded the Battle Tower concept (and island) into multiple facilities, pioneering the Battle Frontier.
593ae9 No.14212017
>>14208309
IIRC Archie is a more interesting character in the 3ds, though I played OR, so he has less screentime. He seemed kinda generic in the original games.
Team Magma was defilnitly ore interesting int he remakes
the ship had a cool sidequest about New Mauville.
but that's about it.
f22edb No.14212036
>>14211895
>FRLG was on one of the Sevii Islands
Wrong. It was the same building that they added north of Mauville City
in emerald that was more of a time trial thing. It sucked btw, the layout
was suppose to change based off e-reader cards but that was disabled
on international copys.
0a32b1 No.14212078
>>14212036
Right, I suppose I forgot about that being a different facility. Does make me wonder why they thought it a good replacement for the Battle Tower in FRLG (Emerald meanwhile had both Trainer Hill and Battle Frontier in the same game).
06dda6 No.14212121
more of might and magic 6-8 but in a science fiction setting and improved modern graphics, I'd even be fine with ps2 era graphics, I just want more mm6 god damnit
06dda6 No.14212304
>>14212147
it's open world party based doom with deep rpg elements, loads of detail, melee/ranged combat including super varied magic system and good story. imagine that but with full 3d graphics, more dialog and cyberpunk setting with different guns and calibers of ammo instead of bows/different kinds of magic. and destructible environments then you got my dream game.
5104dc No.14212341
>>14212304
That's the most interesting pokemon game I've ever heard of.
8fd3cc No.14212443
>>14208606
Don't, because with one or two exceptions every new addition to the series gets more disappointing. As a pokefag, life is suffering.
7f626f No.14212626
Do the OSTs get better after Emerald?
The amount of effort they put into R/S/E's OST is palpable and amazing. The neat songs that play when you encounter different types of trainers like hexes, psychics, cool trainers, hikers, gentlemen, etc. are a cool detail. The battle themes, from the Team Magma/Team Aqua theme, to the gym leaders theme, to the Elite Four theme are exciting. The legendary Pokemon themes like Groudon/Kyogre's and Deoxys' among some of the best in the game IMO. The eerie tones of Sealed Chamber, Victory Road, Cave of Origin, the Drought, and Drizzle themes can make your spine tingle. A lot of the town and route themes contribute the most to the game's immersion. Dewford, Sootopolis, Fallarbor, Fortree, Vendaturf, Littleroot, and Oldale/Lavaridge Town's themes give a feeling of living comfortably and content in a small community. In contrast, Slateport, Lilycove, Mauville/Rustboro/Mossdeep, and Petalburg embrace the energetic bells and horns of bustling urban cities. The environments of gen 3 really tell their whole stories in their music.
29e38c No.14212853
>>14208347
It's been a year since I played the Emerald ROM, but I do remember having to adjust some settings in the VisualBoyAdvance emulator to get it running and saving properly. EEPROM size, I think? Nothing wrong with the ROM itself.
6e40e5 No.14212867
>>14212626
>Do the OSTs get better after Emerald?
Gen 4 and 5; generally on par with some tracks out shinning the previous OSTs easily (Gen 5 also introduces dynamic music)
Gen 6 and beyond; No. They best tracks introduced are remixes of older songs and there are only a few tracks that match the areas well.
0a32b1 No.14212871
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>>14212626
I don't remember having much complaint with Gen IV and V's OSTs (though there's some variance in liking with HGSS's OST, being that most of the songs are arrangements, and some feel like they were better in the original or prior arranged form, like the Lake of Rage theme in FRLG), and Gen V's in particular had a lot of neat tunes. Of course, some of those (like Arceus' theme), the west never got to hear in game without cheating because for some reason, half the time Nintendo seems to just like to hand out legendaries instead of giving you an item to access and fight them yourself. Can't speak for games after the DS though as I don't have a 3DS (and as such haven't played them) and haven't cared to delve into their soundtracks on their own.
Still, I think the Orre games had some of my favorite music in the series, and they were neither main series or even developed by GameFreak (and thus don't even share a composer with the main series).
f059ed No.14212952
>>14208633
this guy knows what's up
f059ed No.14213010
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>>14212867
Dynamic music was pretty awesome, in battle music can change based on your health or whether the gym leader's on their last pokemon.
It also introduced vocals in music iirc, and BW2 even gave each gym it's own unique theme.
>>14212871
Arceus' theme can officially be heard in the Sinjoh ruins which are only accessible if you bring Arceus to the Ruins of Alph in HGSS
it plays during this cutscene
>>14209318
Me
Gen 4 is a close second though.
If I had to pick one definitive Pokémon game it would be Platinum , I think it captures the "Pokémon Experience" best.
1687b3 No.14213018
Wasn't there some doujin about mc having a team rocket gf with handholding?
6401d4 No.14213041
>>14212867
>>14212871
>>14213010
>gen V music is so good that I can play it during tabletop sessions and nobody will realize it's from Pokemon
0a32b1 No.14213050
>>14213010
Fair enough (though that implies you already have an Arceus to trade over). And that was a bizarre cutscene too, fitting the idea that Arceus is somewhere beyond the Pokemon world's understanding of power. Still, would have better to actually be able hear that during the battle.
>Can fight the equivalent of god in a Pokemon game.
>Has some neat music that could do a lot for the tension of trying to catch it.
>NoA goes "lol no you can't fight that thing, go talk to the delivery guy in the Pokemart."
>Get handed GOD with no fight involved at all (why the fuck should it even be willing to obey you without having proven any merit?).
I still remember being pissed that we couldn't legitimately visit World's Edge Island in Emerald out here because we never got the Old Sea Chart either. And as of the DS, there wasn't even an excuse anymore of having to do an actual "Pokemon Rocks America" tier event with link cable download machines (which could readily leave some areas shit out of luck because they weren't important enough), since you could do wifi downloads from home, yet they still deemed cool ones worth skimping on here.
6e40e5 No.14213076
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>>14213010
Even the little changes with the seasons or the slight tempo changes based on if you are walking/running/biking. Gen V was really the last time they put effort into a pokemon game.
>>14213041
it really is
e7317c No.14213106
>>14208138
Emerald is a good start in your Hoenn journey, as it contains content that the remakes don't have. If you have the time, you can play the remakes, and see how they compare to the originals.
0a32b1 No.14213151
>>14213041
Gen V had like five or six different composers working on it in tandem, so I think it gave the games some variety and allowed for experimentation (like those vocal tracks mentioned above). At the same time, it seems like a risk to try to keep things feeling consistent as a whole with that many people involved.
The DS had some solid OSTs amongst its library, and the sound chip used was certainly an improvement over the GBA's (I think a lot of the SNES ports the GBA saw ought to have been held off for the DS, between that and color palette). Not Pokemon, but some more tracks from a game composed for by one of the people involved in the Unova games (and who I think they underutilized there; he or she only got to make like three full length tracks on them, on of which people aren't likely to bother hearing in full) that might work for non-vidya purposes. If they can't pick out Unova music as being from Pokemon, I doubt they'll even know what this stuff is from.
adce8a No.14213663
>>14213018
It's "Dating a Team Magma Grunt".
287182 No.14213986
>>14213663
Did he ever survive his term of service?
f068cd No.14213991
3DS remakes are absolute trash. You get FORCED to take a Latias or Latios.
1fc77a No.14214105
oh boy another jrpg with zero difficulty, i can't wait to win a boss fight blindfolded just selecting random skills.
then i'm going to go shitpost about how SMT III and wizardry 8 are casual even though ive never played them.
because final fantasy and pokemon are easy, and those are the only jrpg's i've played, that means EVERY jrpg is easy.
im also going to go shitpost in the multiplayer FPS threads about how they're braindead even though they technically have a infinitely higher skill ceiling than pokemon since you can't get a kill blindfolded like you can in pokemon.
1fc77a No.14214113
>>14214105
"whoa bro, havent you heard of le nuzlocke challeneg? pokemon is actually super deep. to activate deep mode, all you have to do is ignore 90% of content. i mean, you could just play a jrpg that's already deep by default no matter what your playstyle is, but that's just not the same as playing epic pokemon, now is it?"
d9fe88 No.14214118
>>14208606
Gen 1 sucks ass and is a buggy pile of shit, do not play. Gen 2 is better but not by much. It starts to get good at gen 3, but starts getting too casualised around gen 6.
1fc77a No.14214119
>>14214113
damn you're right dude. wow the game is so hard now and i'm going to draw a really le depressed comic about how my pokemon are dying (and by dying i mean i dispose of them myself instead of using revive items that the game gives you infinite of).
"goodbye pikachu…. i will never forget you…." even though i never actually roleplayed because someone with enough intelligence to have an active imagination and come up with a story for their character and visualize battles wouldn't be playing this piece of shit. it's just for the sake of reblogs on tumblr.
gee im at the first gym battle and they're using a rock pokemon. to make the game EXTRA EXTRA DEEP i'm going to use a pokemon that is weak to rock and dies in one hit. this is way better than playing a game that's organically hard!
c6b710 No.14214213
>>14213151
Huh, those are unexpectedly good. These are from BW/B2W2?
I never got very far into those games due to growing up and going to uni, they're in the drawer in my room, might have to find my DS and put it on charge later.
a071de No.14214487
>>14213991
which you can then immediately box
also certain legendary Pokémon have been forced onto the player since Gen V
8dcfd3 No.14214561
>>14212871
>I don't have a 3DS (and as such haven't played them)
Try emulation using Citra, last I heard it emulates ORAS and SM fine (with some slowdowns) but has some issues with XY.
8f701a No.14214618
>>14214105
>>14214113
>>14214119
I agree with you but you should tone down your autism
5555f5 No.14214619
>>14212853
I ended up using the mGBA emulator and it worked just fine, but I'll keep that in mind if I ever hit snags with any other games. Thanks!
0a32b1 No.14214640
>>14214213
No, they're just some non-Pokemon music made by one of the five or so composers that worked on the Unova games before GameFreak picked them up for the BW team, and she seem to have become stuck with them since X and Y now (as opposed to freelance like before). Checking who-made-what for the 3DS games, she at least seems to get more tracks per game, but given what another anon mentioned about the 3DS entry music being lacking, that might not be a good thing. Though for all I know, maybe she makes the better tracks? To be fair, I haven't played the 3DS entries or heard the music myself.
>>14214160
>>14214618
I think I know which anon that is. The peace was nice while it lasted.
>>14214561
From what I've heard in past threads, not playing them might be dodging a bullet, even without actually investing money.
5555f5 No.14214725
>>14212853
>>14214619
I may have spoken too soon, having issues with saving now.
3efdeb No.14216328
>>14208806
To be honest I fucking love Mudkipz
8dcfd3 No.14216629
>>14214640
>From what I've heard in past threads
Dude fuck what you heard, give them a try anyway. If they're good, they're good. If not, now you know for a fact they're trash and why so you can easily debate any fag here.
>>14214725
>having issues with saving now
With mGBA or VBA?
5555f5 No.14216980
>>14216629
mGBA, but it turns out I was running an older version, and when I got the newest version it started working just fine.
208d82 No.14217031
>>14208606
FireRed > Emerald > Platinum > Heart Gold > White > White 2 and then just stop.
6269b5 No.14217365
>>14217031
Finally, someone who gets it. Though I might recommend playing HeartGold right after FireRed for plot and tone reasons, though that makes going back to Emerald harder. And of course at least use full Pokedex hacks if not increased difficulty ones.
208d82 No.14217473
>>14217365
I was thinking the same but decided against it for the very reason you mentioned. Plus he'd appreciate the feeling of returning to Kanto so much more in HG after experiencing 3 different regions first. I was tempted to say give Y and Sun a shot if he wanted to go on but they're really not worth it. I'm very curious what they will do with things on the Switch but I don't have any hopes at all that they'll stop it with all the overbearing story elements and return to form as fun monster raising and battling games.
1a170e No.14217972
db3bc9 No.14218047
>>14208138
Emerald. You can painfully see how dumbed down games have gotten over fucking nothing with ORAShit.
>>14208309
>bitching about May over literally nothing
Stop being such a fucking faggot.
db3bc9 No.14218059
d5d5ec No.14218096
>>14208238
Scaling/rotating pixel art never looks good. That's what most of the animations are in Emerald.
>>14208356
Kanto is pretty cut down compared to the main romp through Johto. Not that I'm complaining, it's one of the better post-game parts in the series.
>>14208431
>Aside from Crystal
For fuck's sake what rock are you living under? It's mandatory to encounter them in R/S/E and most games beyond that, and they really factor into the story too. Not in a good way.
>>14208586
They're totally different though, and there's no micromanagement needed.
>>14210113
There's only a few things I like about X/Y.
>Rollerskating
>character dress-up
>Espurr
>Hex Maniac
>Some variety of gen 1 available instead of just being the bland mix of current gen
I think that's it. Otherwise it's piss-easy and not that satisfying.
da0ec5 No.14218367
>>14208606
Explorers of Sky
then never touch the series again
6a4f2f No.14218388
HeartGold is the only game absolutely worth playing, loads of content and is the best region with the best starters and story, and you fight the protagonist from the first game. If you want more challenge play Emerald and want something oldschool go to Crystal, the rest of the mainline isn't worth touching if you don't really care. Explorers of Sky is also a good spin-off to play.
1a170e No.14223941
>>14208739
>>14208883
One thing I liked about crystal is some of the unique wild pokemon you can find. Poliwag, teddiursa, phanpy, and growlithe can all be found before the first gym. Also the odd egg should've come back for HG/SS tbh.
ecfa00 No.14224376
>>14223941
You can also get all 3 starters by using the cloning glitch (deposit starter in Cherrygrove PC, reset and start new game, the starter will still be in PC).
The Odd Egg has a high percentage of getting a shiny, so you can use the cloning glitch to get a ton of eggs and a shiny of every Baby 'mon. You can get guaranteed shiny Electabuzz/Jynx/Magmar/Hitmons/Wigglytuff/Clefable this way.
There's also a very complicated glitch that involves seed manipulation that makes a Sneasel turn into a Celebi.
I advise anyone emulating Crystal to get the "Emu Edition" rom hack by LocksmithArmy. It makes it so you can get all Pokémon (Kanto legendaries, fossils, all starters and unobtainables, etc) in-game without needing to trade.
53b591 No.14224947
>>14223941
>Poliwag, teddiursa, phanpy, and growlithe can all be found before the first gym.
How?
ec7f3e No.14225137
>>14208138
Emerald, ever since Gen 6 Gamefreak has just gotten lazier and lazier.
bbac82 No.14225142
>>14218388
>goes on about how you face the original lead character and how important a part of his favorite game in the series it is
<doesn't suggest playing the first game in the series so whoever does follow his advice won't even know why the person their fighting is a big deal
JUST
a5ac7b No.14225154
>>14224947
You walk in the grass.
bbac82 No.14225161
>>14224376
The odd egg isn't that great of a way to get shinies that gen when you can just transfer back the red gyarados, have a ditto transform in to it in gen 1, catch the ditto, transfer it back to gen 2 where it becomes a shiny ditto, and then breed it with whatever you want shiny for very high odds of it turning out shiny (this is because it inherits 3 of it's 5 "IV"s from it's parents, there are only 5 in gen 2 because special atk and special def are both drawn from one "Special" iv, and it is IVs that determine shiny or not in Gen 2 so all you need is to luck out on getting all 3 from the ditto and then roll right on the last 2).
be6f37 No.14225169
>>14224947
If I remember it right Poliwag was in Route 30 grass during night.
Teddiursa and Phanpy Not sure were in dark cave.
Growlithe was in grass north of ruins of alph. Not sure, if that grass was even in vanilla version.
ec7f3e No.14225183
>>14224947
>Poliwag
Route 30.
>Teddiursa
Dark Cave.
>Phanpy
Route 46
>Growlithe
Route 36.
9a830e No.14225240
>>14208236
Not just for you they were just plain awful remakes. No battle frontier, shit post-game, they removed the Sky Pillar bike section, Wally is a joke, because even a modicum of challenge is apparently unacceptable.
>>14208153
Listen to this man
9a830e No.14225246
>>14225137
Haven't played the original sun/moon but USUM were pretty good. I played through UM with a dark monotype team and no items. Had to actually try different strats instead of brute forcing everything. Like switching for multiple imtimidate drops, actually using scary face/speed dropping moves.
63ea8a No.14225255
>>14216328
>water type
>ground type
>reduce accuracy type attack from get-go
Me too.
90e2d2 No.14226621
>>14217031
>FireRed
Even after being remade the gen1 games still suck for me, I dunno why.
>>14218096
>It's mandatory to encounter them in R/S/E and most games beyond that
I was talking within the scope of gen2, and I do agree the incorporation of legendaries in the plot is garbage. See >>14208883
ecfa00 No.14226831
>>14224947
Poliwag only at night I think, in the route where you encounter Weedle for the first time.
Growlithe in patch of grass east of wiggling Sudowoodo tree. That grass is not there in Gold or Silver.
Phanpy in the early northern route behind a building where you can catch Geodude and Jigglypuff. Only in the morning.
Teddiursa also only in the morning, Dark cave where you can see Dunsparce and Gastly.
8fd3cc No.14226845
>>14225246
This just in! Arbitrarily making the game harder by ignoring in-game mechanics makes the game more difficult to complete!
0a32b1 No.14227880
>>14216328
>>14217929
I originally made those for "guess the music" threads, and even after multiple threads no one's guessed them. They seem like good stumpers as people admit the music's good, so I'm divided. Telling the source myself would go against the intent, but at the same time, if nobody ever guesses it, then nobody discovers a possible new game to play/listen to the OST from. At the very least I'll give you some hints like I have in those threads: The audio sounds like a DS game because it was from a DS game, was brought overseas by a company a fair bit of /v/ considers acceptable, but failed to find much of an audience.
>>14225240
>they removed the Sky Pillar bike section
For what purpose? I mean, was moving skillfully with the mach bike too much of a pain? Admittedly in Emerald those breakable floors aren't there the first time through (if I remember right) during the main plot, with perhaps Rayquaza landing back on the roof after telling Groudon and Kyogre to fuck off back home as the excuse for them being there when you climb the tower in the post game, but still. You'd think asking the player to show a bit of mastery of a particular mechanic is unacceptable at this point. Makes me glad the prior remakes, FRLG and HGSS, were as solid as they were.
bf090f No.14240779
>>14225240
>shit post-game
it had more of a post-game than emerald did
>wally is a joke
>I didn't actually play ORAS, the post
3c8870 No.14240840
>>14240779
>assault vest azumarill
467714 No.14240919
>>14240779
>it had more of a post-game than emerald did
But that's wrong and you know it. Battle frontier alone provided more content than ORAS' 45 minute long "episode" and flying around scoping up legendary pokemon
1d6651 No.14240940
>>14240919
Don't forget the rehashed battle facility from X/Y.
b54dc2 No.14241071
>>14240919
that anon counted BF as a separate issue and while I do agree it is probably the greatest disappointment of ORAS, it's not fair to list it as two separate issues.