81f734 No.14178921
I am thinking about building a Win98 computer to play some old vidya. What exactly are the hardware limits I would have to look out for, do any anons know?
bcf53d No.14178929
Use a fucking virtual machine.
9d2b3e No.14178937
>>14178921
>build a Windows 98 computer
???? Use vmware or some other virtual machine software
81f734 No.14178939
>>14178929
I was actually going to do that at first but I thought I'd be more autistic and build a machine for fun. Generally curious what the hardware limits are.
240da0 No.14178940
>>14178929
don't all the windows vm require like 40 gigs of available space? or is this only for xp onwards
7603dd No.14178943
If a game doesn't run on windows 10, it's not worth playing. It has compatibility modes for everything.
c4e2fb No.14178949
>>14178921
<I saved this post from a previous "new old computer" thread.
As in modern day or modern parts? You're going to need an ISA sound card if you want sound in DOS, which means your motherboard has to have an ISA slot, which basically means the newest motherboard you can use is from the early thousands, which means no newer than a Pentium IV processor. Pretty much everything else can and should be modern, though you'll need adapters for the hard drives and you have to have the right PSU voltages. If you're serious about building a DOS rig I'll dig up a few links.
Vogons has a lot of useful info: http://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Interesting_Vogons_Threads
http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/
There's a thread that explains PSUs in depth, but you really just need to make sure the 5V rail has at least 20A. Mine has exactly that and it's been fine for my Pentium III.
One of the regulars there has a YouTube channel (and apparently a shitton of money) and makes some helpful videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/philscomputerlab
If you haven't already heard of it you'll probably want to use FreeDOS instead of MSDOS: http://www.freedos.org/
It's an exact clone that adds a lot of improvements and only has compatability issues with Windows 9x iirc. I'm pretty sure Windows 3x is fine, though I haven't used it much because I can't get the refresh rate high enough not to make my CRT flicker. Unless I'm wrong, there's very little reason to use MSDOS over it. If you want to use Windows 9x as well as DOS/3.1 install it on another hard drive and don't learn the hard way that it will only boot if the jumper pin is set to master. (if you want a bootloader, you can try PLOP, GAG, or GRUB which each have livecd's) Also, note that you can still find brand new floppy disks and drives. There's also those USB things that phil's always shilling.
Also have this if you haven't seen it yet: http://cd.textfiles.com/ Theisozone and Myabandonware have some obscure old games and software too. MagicDisc and Super Clone Drive work find on Windows 98.
7e3f7d No.14178951
>>14178929
BOI
there are limitations and shortcomings to vm's
also playing on a CRT with a trackball mouse is underrated
406b23 No.14178955
>>14178943
this, and also be sure to pick up a copy of Fallout 4 with a Season Pass and Skyrim: Legendary Edition to go with your better system one Windows 10!
81f734 No.14178959
>>14178949
Thanks anon that's helpful.
c4e2fb No.14178966
>>14178943
>If a game doesn't run on windows 10, it's not worth playing.
072527 No.14178984
>>14178940
Nope.
Have a look at XP
b874fe No.14178990
There was a thread on /tech/ that might still be up, some jap autist was providing updates for lower level parts of the Windows 98 OS to allow it to run modern software, along with security patches among other things. Ask in the software thread there and someone might point you to it.
240da0 No.14179011
>>14178984
well i'll be dammed, the 40 gig requirement must be some vmware fuckery then.
e10920 No.14179031
>Not building a PC-98 after learning some nip
46560a No.14179052
Windows 95 and 98 have issues in some virtual machines. You'd be better off sourcing a Pentium II machine and TNT2/Vodoo3/Rage128Pro GPU and an AWE 32/64 audio card.
26ace3 No.14179058
>>14178984
Windows XP could fit inside 2GB. People thought it was crazy when it needed 1GB at minimum.
923d03 No.14179072
>>14179031
>building
>PC-98
e4e3b1 No.14179461
>>14179031
aw shit shon shlayers
b2be23 No.14180529
Were there any games for win98 that weren't just running in DOS?
8ad25c No.14180693
>>14180529
Is this a serious question?
5526e5 No.14180853
>>14179031
Anon you do not "build" PC-98. PC-98 is a console.
f408d7 No.14180946
>>14178940
I have an XP install that's around 500 MBs, typical XP installs are around 1 to 1.5 GBs TOPS. What the fuck are you on about?
240da0 No.14180976
f408d7 No.14181026
>>14180529
>Were there any games for win98 that weren't just running in DOS?
Yes, but those theoretically work also under newer versions of windows (e.g. 2000, XP) so shouldn't need 98 in particular.
1c4c36 No.14181053
af50dc No.14181106
Grab a 1GHz Athon Processor and 512MB (or whatever the motherboard supports) of RAM and something like a GeForce 256 Graphics card.
New enough to be a late Win2000/XP machine but should run fine on Windows 98.
Alternatively, just build a Windows XP machine. I have an E8400 setup I rarely use for that kind of thing.
0c40cb No.14181132
>>14179011
VMware/VirtualBox instantly 'suggests' 20 or 40Gb of space on newer versions of Windows. I think Windows 7/8 and up.
240da0 No.14181153
>>14181132
I think i will try a reinstall of that xp image then.
c378fd No.14181155
>>14180529
Yeah. By 1996 DOS games werent being made. You sure are young.
79418d No.14181160
>>14179031
How many Slayers game exist.
How many of them are in a language humans can understand.
f408d7 No.14181167
>>14181106
XP should run fine on existing "modern" hardware and is preferred IMO since it's more robust than 98. But it will need the right drivers:
http://driverpacks.net/downloads
>>14181153
5-10 GBs should be more than enough if you're planning an XP install with programs / old vidya on it.
7bf911 No.14181184
79418d No.14181368
>>14181328
This is why I still browse /v/
d702fd No.14181528
Hooktube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14178921
What hardware accelerator are you aiming for?
Early DirectX/OpenGL, 3dfx or some meme card that died out by 1999 but has the best render backend in a few gemus?
0952ac No.14181566
>>14178929
You can't play some CD games on a VM because the virtual CD Drives for some shitty reason can't emulate the analog audio that the old drives had, it was a small cable that went connected to the motherboard besides the IDE ribbon and the molex power, games like the PC version of Cold Shadow need it.
d9d4c8 No.14181606
>>14180853
PC98 is not a console, fool. It's a computer line, similar to western PCs but not identical.
>The PC-98 is different from the IBM PC in many ways; for instance, it uses its own 16-bit C-Bus instead of the ISA bus; BIOS, I/O port addressing, memory management, and graphics output are also different. However, localized MS-DOS or Windows will still run on PC-9801s.
0952ac No.14181631
>>14181328
I think the Svideo or RCA on all of those do convert the video to 640 * 480 30fps, which flickers a lot on a TV. That mode was meant to play movies or stuff like that.
The VGA output can be hacked to display 240p 15khz or 31 khz but you need an RGB capable CRT TV.
Alternatively you might just use a normal PC CRT.
4e7c0a No.14183858
>>14179031
>tfw i can understand everything but what the store name is.
good feel for a start.
055da5 No.14183911
Why not just virtual machine win98?
055da5 No.14183936
>>14181295
He's not wrong though. Name the games you can't get to run on win10.
MS supports Enterprise using obscure shitty software going back to DOS. Unless you're using win10 Home I suppose.
e0db74 No.14183962
I really ought to build an old PC to do this.
I want to play Simcopter again. Jumping through hoops on 64bit OSes are no fun.
b2be23 No.14184147
>>14181155
Opposite, actually. I stopped playing PC games when they stopped putting them in DOS. :^)
240da0 No.14184159
>>14181167
i'm back, solved my install problem by using virtualbox instead of vmware, but it seems i used the wrong OS on it. after finally getting this bitch to work up to the menu, i'm greeted with texture abominations on the cutscene until an error message pops up and i'm left again xanaduless
87b615 No.14184230
>>14183936
>MS supports Enterprise using obscure shitty software going back to DOS
No they don't, 64-bit windows never supported 16-bit programs to begin with, besides M$ even dropped support for floppies completely early into 10's development.
>>14184159
>VirtualBox
Yuck, just use VMWare Player dude it's free.
35a406 No.14184281
Alright nigger best start reading up on hardware of the era, If you have a recycling center near you I highly suggest digging through it and getting on friendly terms with them. If you want just a strict build you could copy from ebay orders i'll post it with this.
3D accelerators are a tricky bitch from this era, you have the venerable Voodoo card's to strange cards from Matrox like the hilariously named 3D prophet or the worlds first 3D decelerator aka the S3 Virge. which offer….interesting rendering strategies. Often times if you want good compatibility for dos games you'll need a 2D card to plug into your 3D accelerator if your 3D card dosn't have one built in.
It's really pointless to have anything more that 512mb of ram as most games won't even touch 256mb, You'll either be using PC100, SDRAM or if your fancy DDR
When it comes to CPU's pentium was king. I would really just recommend sticking with a slot 1 Pentium 3 for compatibility purposes, just know that some games were fucking retarded and locked there framerate to the CPU speed causing hilarious issues.
Here's my build
MOBO: AOpen AX6B
CPU: 600mhz Pentium 3 (want to upgrade to the 1ghz)
1gb of ram
3D accelerator : Voodoo 2 (want to find another to sli with)
soundcard SB Live! Platinum 5.1
Find any pci network card of the era if you want to, I transfer stuff from my modern PC to it through FTP to be easy
87b615 No.14184307
>>14184281
>1gb of ram
Windows 98 by design cannot run with more than 512 MBs of RAM, I'm assuming you tweaked it somehow pre-installation?
35a406 No.14184368
>>14184307
That number I believe comes from a bug with File Cache. When more than 512MB of ram is installed, Windows can assign all of the virtual addresses (incorrectly) to Vcache. This will result in Out of Memory errors..I think
Look up kernelEX, Which allows you to address 4gb of ram. (and also gives you the ability to run more "modern" applications). I have a 1gb stick as that's the biggest the board can address and also what was in the center at the time so why the hell not
9b97f6 No.14184409
>>14181631
the s-video does 640x480i60hz.
4e2523 No.14185682
>>14178939
I tried using a circa 2004 era AMD Athlon Barton 2800+ with a radeon 9600, and that shit was still way too fast to properly run Mechwarrior 3.
Ultimately I used PCEM to emulate a windows 98 pc. Shit's actually really fun, in a kind of nostalgiac/masochistic sort of way. You have to manually choose all the pieces you want in your virtual computer, down to even choosing how many platters and sectors you want on your emulated hard drive. And if you want to move files from your real PC to the emulated PC, you literally have to put them into an ISO file and load it in to the virtual CD or floppy disc drive.
Shit's pretty cash.
b2d66e No.14185786
>>14179031
>>14180853
>>14181606
Old Japanese home computers were stylish and comfy as hell.
46c855 No.14185816
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
LGR actually did a collaboration on this with a bunch of retro PC guys on what they use to play old games. It goes into a lot more stuff than just windows 98 but there are a 2 or 3 Windows 98 builds in there.
>>14185786
I really love the look of the sharp x1
b2d66e No.14185837
>>14185816
I really is a sharp looking machine.
46c855 No.14185852
>>14185837
Are those actual advertisements? I do not remember 80s/90s japanese advertisements just putting cute anime girls next to a thing to sell stuff.
b2d66e No.14185864
>>14185852
No, it's a Japanese pixiv artist that has made mascots for apparently every home computer in existence.
I did find some actual advertisements though.
6c3f52 No.14185893
Pocket computers are cool too.
>>14185786
God that Sharp is sexy. Wish you could get cases that look half that good today.
d9f4e5 No.14190574
>>14185893
the old desktop style is marketed for theater builds now. they still make somewhat similar stuff.
26e53b No.14192966
>>14181106
>1ghz
Fuck no, nigger. Older games used to set the speed off the CPU clock. 400 mhz is perfect, you're suggesting overkill.
dd11ca No.14193397
>>14181155
Tomb Raider uses DOS and released in 1996.
9a9db1 No.14193784
>>14184159
>xanadu next
You don't need XP for that, what are you doing
aa4474 No.14201306
What's my best bet for running my vintage moonrune games? Like win 95 era.
I tried XP on a VM but it has issues with non unicode text.
>>>/hgg/90660
8bb6e4 No.14201323
>>14192966
I don't think OP is talking THAT old.
6b6252 No.14201523
>>14201323
>>14192966
this is actually a good point. OP, stop sucking dick for a minute and tell us exactly what era you're talking
a588e4 No.14201702
>>14201306
>non unicode text
Install language packs from the XP cd.
707abb No.14201770
>>14178921
>Fiddling around with Microdick Wangblows
OP is a faggot who can't into wine
c2a775 No.14202129
>>14178921
A VooDoo card is a must, since it's the only API that doesn't work with modern cards.
c2a775 No.14202135
>>14183911
Try emulating a 3dfx without errors.
240da0 No.14202199
>>14193784
I know i fucked up but i don't want to install vista
9b97f6 No.14202212
>>14190574
it looks nice. I wish more case designers actually tried to make something that looked good. It's either maximize functionality with front drive bays and glaring rainbow RGB LEDs or look at my giant retarded window to see my robo-dog-man on my graphics card that's totally really cool guys also RGB lighting.
5f474b No.14202390
>>14201770
Does Wine even work with older games or Nipshit?
409f42 No.14215571
>>14202212
Every one of my computers that I've put together uses the exact same Cooler Master case. It looks its age, though. Silver bezel, black everything else, and a blinding blue LED power light. More basic cases look better, especially if you plan to paint them or put vinyl on them.
1404f3 No.14215615
>>14185864
they better stick with qt 2D girls instead.