28602f No.14158109
>elder scrolls northmen in service of the empire are clearly based on the real life Varangians in service of the Byzantine Empire
>Bethesda makes them look like retarded fur traders from the 5th century instead of their inspiration
We will never have a byzantine video game ever, despite Byzantine armies being far superior to any medieval army with better looking equipment that was also more easy to mass manufacture.
88db09 No.14158139
7a3491 No.14158147
>Byzantine armies being far superior to any medieval army
In what way? Byzantine main weapon was not its army, but its gold and diplomatic influence. Even at its height during Justinian they were short on manpower. This is why they build shitload of fortresses every few miles, they had the cash but not the manpower. Also, it was not once that they paid off barbarians to fuck off their territory, they paid Huns and Avars exorbitant amount of money so they would leave them alone and go fuck with someone else.
Their army got rekt regularly but they were just too big to fail because of the money they had.
3cc43b No.14158159
Can't do the beginning because Kievan Rus.
Can't do the Middle, because no one cares.
Can't do their end, because 4th Crusade.
Can't do the end of Byzantium because the jews opened the gates, constantinople fell and the jews became the slave traders to the turks.
741ed3 No.14158226
>>14158109
Elders Scrolls is the franchise where Roman Legionnaire lookalikes run around wielding katanas. It's always been garbage and every faggot that pretends otherwise should drink rat poison.
38fb75 No.14158234
>>14158226
>muh realism
>in a game about literal magic and sorcery in a planet with multiple moons surrounding it
Faggot. I bet you've never played Ultima.
741ed3 No.14158244
>>14158234
So why the fuck are they using lorica segmentata in a world where plate exists? Why are they running around with katanas, a sword that was more status symbol than genuine weapon of war, if everyone is running around in armor? "It's fantasy, I gotta explain shit" is a poor excuse and proof your setting is garbage.
28602f No.14158253
>>14158226
Anything involving the main empire is kind of shit but it would be easy to fix. Morrowind proved that a bit of style goes a long way.
38fb75 No.14158257
>>14158244
>So why the fuck are they using lorica segmentata in a world where plate exists?
Stronger and easier to make than chainmail, cheaper than plate armor, and so on?
>Why are they running around with katanas, a sword that was more status symbol than genuine weapon of war, if everyone is running around in armor?
It's not like longswords could penetrate anything more than chainmail effectively either. And didn't the japs mass produce katanas for WW2? Katanas are not bad for cutting leather armor and stabbing unprotected body parts. Katana as a status symbol is only some dumb asian shit.
>"It's fantasy, I gotta explain shit" is a poor excuse and proof your setting is garbage.
Ultima games have shotguns, space shuttles, and phaser guns in a medieval setting. What really matters is the gameplay.
0ea3bd No.14158259
>elder scrolls northmen in service of the empire are clearly based on the real life Varangians in service of the Byzantine Empire
Nigger fucking what?
They founded the fucking Empire.
0ea3bd No.14158262
>>14158244
Cuz it's all aesthetics and shit.
Magic katana shit all over armor, unless it's ebony/daedric.
741ed3 No.14158264
>>14158257
>Stronger and easier to make than chainmail, cheaper than plate armor, and so on?
No. It was significantly more expensive to make during Roman times because metallurgy still hadn't figured out how to make solid, big pieces of metal and shape them. Later on it became obvious the benefits offered didn't justify the costs so those that could went with plate, those that couldn't choose chainmail. You're obviously ignorant about the issue.
>It's not like longswords could penetrate anything more than chainmail effectively either.
They couldn't penetrate chainmail either, since it was built to safeguard against slashing. Not that swords were the primary weapon of war most of the time, and especially not when use of better armor became widespread.
>And didn't the japs mass produce katanas for WW2?
They were a status symbol for officers you stupid fuck, just like they were a status symbol during the Shogunate, since peasants were forbidden from carrying swords around.
>Katana as a status symbol is only some dumb asian shit.
Swords were always a status symbol, regardless of culture. Open a book once in a while. Does Excalibur ring a bell?
>Ultima games have shotguns, space shuttles, and phaser guns in a medieval setting. What really matters is the gameplay.
Good thing we're not discussing gameplay you goalpost moving subhuman.
>>14158262
>Cuz it's all aesthetics and shit.
Katanas + Roman armor is something a really dumb middle schooler would come up with.
0ea3bd No.14158267
>>14158264
>Katanas + Roman armor is something a really dumb middle schooler would come up with.
Tell that to Bethesda.
The dremora wear plate armor plus dai-katana. Daedric ai-katana is sort of a god-tier normal weapon in Morrowind.
0ea3bd No.14158270
>>14158264
Also, if your complaint is about muh realism, then better that shit elsewhere, cuz TES gives no shit about realism.
Magic weapon, bitch.
c02dfd No.14158271
>>14158234
>in a game about literal magic and sorcery in a planet with multiple moons surrounding it
Even better - it's not even actually a planet. It's a semispatial, semitemporal plane of divine creation existing semi-concurrently with/partially-in-the-same-place-as an unknown number of other such planes of creation.
741ed3 No.14158272
>>14158270
Unless they're equipping everyone with magic weapons that nullify armor (and if they are, why wear armor at all?) your argument makes no sense.
0ea3bd No.14158273
Also, OP.
As said again, the nords in TES are not based on the varangard and the Empire is not based on the Byzantine empire.
Pick up TES lore and study it instead of making turkey shot.
0ea3bd No.14158279
>>14158272
Evidently considering how armor in TES works (it doesn't), it's more about aesthetics than anything functional.
Nords for example fight naked, if they want.
28602f No.14158289
>>14158273
The lore is irrelevant, it's the imagery that counts. Roman empire with vikings in it's service is basically byzantium. My main gripe is they don't go with the aesthetic eventhough it's ready made.
38fb75 No.14158291
>>14158264
>Does Excalibur ring a bell?
Ah yes, I remember the movie. It was a movie where every soldier carried a sword and ran around in shining armors, swords could easily penetrate an armor in one swing, and the Knights of the Round Table built a shining castle out of rare metals. One thing you need to understand is some stories are not trying to be anything more than fairy tales, you autistic soyboy.
0ea3bd No.14158295
>>14158289
So fuck off. Study the lore, because you don't know shit.
>Roman empire with vikings in it's service is basically byzantium.
Except the nords founded the empire, now fuck off.
28602f No.14158300
>>14158295
Which part of the lore not mattering can't fit into your retarded autistic head?
c02dfd No.14158301
>>14158289
Pro tip: Bethesda's Elder Scrolls games have been getting worse and worse at portraying the setting after Morrowind and Oblivion and Skyrim shouldn't be taken at face value if at all. Each of them retcons out a fuck-ton of the setting; the lack of care put into visual design for them is the least of their problems.
0ea3bd No.14158306
>>14158300
Except the lore fucking matters you ass.
Who says the lore doesn't matter, you? You don't matter.
0ea3bd No.14158312
>>14158301
Lore-wise, only Oblivion fails at really delivering considering it tries to make Cyrodill into generic germanic fantasy land without the stuff mentioned in Morrowind.
33e754 No.14158325
>>14158312
Bethesda clearly wanted to LOTR audience when designing Oblivion. Morrowind was way too strange for normalfaggots to feel comfortable.
0ea3bd No.14158326
>>14158325
More like generic RPG audience, but yeah, it's true.
28602f No.14158327
>>14158306
There are two types of fantasy settings. Lord of the rings with it's autistic and fully realized world that builds on itself which shouldn't be fucked with because you ruin it.
And then there's everything else which are just an excuse to fight a goblin with a katana. My complaint is I can't fight that goblin while wearing lamellar.
0ea3bd No.14158334
>>14158327
Hey, hey, fuck off, TES lore is even deeper than LOTR.
So kindly fuck off now?
28602f No.14158339
>>14158334
They fired the guy who made it deep for Morrowind.
Now it's just dungeons and dragons with mushrooms.
856cef No.14158341
>>14158327
>I can't fight that goblin while wearing lamellar
I bet there's a mod for that
c02dfd No.14158344
>>14158312
Nibenese and Colovian cultures and ethnicities obliterated, to say nothing of the many minor cultures and ethnicities that could be expected to be found throughout, dragons - agents, holy representatives and in one sense the namesake of The Dragon Empire -
inexplicably missing, the city of a thousand cults holding no cults beyond the amalgamated Imperial cult whatsoever, it suddenly turning out that the divine first emperor was a madman who fucked Tamriel's biosphere in half because he "loved" his people? Yeah, that's a travesty, but at least it didn't officially retcon the dragons out of The Dragon Empire. I like how they needed a cool dragon emblem to show off in Skyrim's main menu and despite that what they decided to go with for that was the emblem of The Empire.
0ea3bd No.14158346
>>14158339
Yet it's still deeper than LOTR.
The lore books and all that shit still exist in the later games, the Arcturian heresy, the Underking and all that shit.
28602f No.14158349
>>14158346
Yeah but now they're building generic shit on it so why not build some other type of slightly less generic shit on it?
c02dfd No.14158350
>>14158349
Go Tamriel Rebuilt / >>>/tes/ and just disregard Oblivion and Skyrim entirely, I say.
0ea3bd No.14158354
>>14158349
Because they are already realized as it is?
Making the nords into varanguards wouldn't make it any less generic.
28602f No.14158357
>>14158350
That's the path to erotic fan fiction. I'm not going that way.
ec298b No.14158360
>>14158291
It was a great movie, even if your autistic butthurt prevents you from enjoying it.
38fb75 No.14158362
>>14158339
MK left before Morrowind was even finished. Despite that, he still wrote some stuff for Oblivion and became an advisor for Skyrim's writing.
>>14158349
Skyrim wasn't generic, it was developed before GoT.
19390f No.14158366
>>14158291
> It was a movie where every soldier carried a sword and ran around in shining armors, swords could easily penetrate an armor in one swing, and the Knights of the Round Table built a shining castle out of rare metals.
I fucking love Excalibur. Everything could've been avoided if Uther kept his dick in check.
0ea3bd No.14158369
Morrowind was technically the most lore-friendly game, the nords in that game were more like celt than germanic/nords with the retarded face paint.
bef4b6 No.14158371
>>14158325
The weirdness is what I loved about Morrowind. Wizard towers you can't navigate without flying? Fucking ace. Giant mushroom forests? Sweet. Entire cities made out of giant crabs? Dude what. A ghost wall to keep a curse held at bay? Can't wait to get there late-game. Then they went straight back to generic fantasy for Oblivion, and went History Channel Vikings for Skyrim. Booooring.
>>14158334
>>14158346
he_just_threw_the_fishing_pole_right_into_the_water.png
c02dfd No.14158374
>>14158357
If it helps, Daggerfall already had a graphic depiction of interracial sex involving barbed cocks and Morrowind already had a hermaphroditic deity who, as he tells it in the book he's written, fucked and got fucked by a Daedric prince.
0ea3bd No.14158382
>>14158371
Except TES lore is deeper than LOTR.
Nothing Tolkien writes is near the clusterfuck that was the War of the First Council where no one knew the true story.
28602f No.14158391
>>14158382
>he doesn't know about that battle in the silmarillion
38fb75 No.14158393
>>14158366
It's definitely my most favorite fantasy kino. It's a really beautiful movie and the most faithful adaptation of Arthurian legend. LoTR's aesthetics are a ripoff of thisgoodand I believe that the aesthetics of Gothic and Oblivion are heavily borrowed from it more than LoTR.
0ea3bd No.14158399
>>14158391
From what I read of the Silmarillion, there's no conflicting viewpoints that give us something like the War of the First Council.
bef4b6 No.14158401
>>14158382
Assuming TES lore is deeper than LOTR lore (it isn't) depth still isn't a measure of quality.
TES lore covers a lot of ground but does so very superficially just like the gameplay.
28602f No.14158407
>>14158399
The whole book is about how huge cunts the sons of Feanor are to every other elf. There's plenty of cross/backstabbing. It's just not as fleshed out because the silmarilion is mostly just cliff notes.
c02dfd No.14158408
>>14158401
>superficially
That's sort of the opposite of what "deep" means, in reference to thought and work.
ed485a No.14158411
>>14158109
Welp, i'l go reinstall skyrim and see what i can mod in it.
28602f No.14158413
>>14158411
>Welp, i'l go reinstall skyrim
No. Please. Think of the children. I'm sorry.
0ea3bd No.14158420
>>14158407
No, the point is not cross/backstabbing, the point is conflicting viewpoint that makes it hard to unite the universe in a single history.
TES lore got Dragon Break, so nobody knows what is true or not.
>>14158401
TES lore is deeper than LOTR and provides more things for you to talk about and roleplay.
>TES lore covers a lot of ground but does so very superficially
Explain?
38fb75 No.14158421
>>14158411
I enjoy vanilla skyrim.
ed485a No.14158427
>>14158382
>>14158401
TES lore is heavily based on Warhammer. Even all races are the same with exception of rats being replaced by cats. That includes multiple human factions such as Sigmar's empire, Bretons, same Nords/Vikings and other faggots. High Elves, Dark Elves and Wood Elves being present and lizard race. With the only exception that dwarves are wiped out. And whole dremora planes of oblivion and daedra are based on Warhammer's Chaos. The only things not based on warhammer in elder scrolls are things based on Forgotten Realms, such as drowish menzoberranzan shares very similar culture with morrowind.
19390f No.14158431
>>14158393
I definitely get a strong Excalibur vibe from the architecture, armors and generally everything in Oblivion. The Gothic aesthetic did wonders to immerse me into the world. Sadly the game couldn't borrow the action and combat from the movie.
0ea3bd No.14158434
>>14158427
TES lore isn't based on Warhammer, the aesthetics disprove it.
c02dfd No.14158435
>>14158427
Well that was a very bizarre claim.
6320b5 No.14158438
5e7bbb No.14158443
>>14158427
>Dunmer
>Drow
>similar beyond the dark skin
28602f No.14158447
>>14158427
I don't really think it's based on warhammer other than just both being kinda generic fantasy.
0ea3bd No.14158454
>>14158447
Neither are generic fantasy.
Warhammer is Late medieval fantasy while TES becomes something else after Morrowind.
38fb75 No.14158457
>>14158431
>Sadly the game couldn't borrow the action and combat from the movie.
Severance covers that.
>>14158438
I don't know how to exactly explain it. It's fun. The world is fun to explore, the dungeons are linear and easygoing, and it's not as damage spongey as Oblivion.
2e6d8d No.14158459
>>14158427
Are you retarded or are the only two fantasy worlds you know warhammer and tes?
c6318c No.14158468
>>14158427
You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about you fucking n'wah.
c02dfd No.14158476
>>14158443
C'mon, just think of the way the religious/philosophical schism that (eventually) spawned the Drow arose when they disagreed with the Wood Elven assertion that the Forgotten Realms are a prison for the soul, for one point of similarity.
ed485a No.14158478
>>14158457
>It's fun. The world is fun to explore
For the first week or so. Later you will realize everything is the same and you are fighting same enemies, doing same quests and same dungeons after a while. Infinitely. And all the important quests are short walk into another dungeon, Bethesda focused on random quests more than they focused on giving the player well written ones and interesting non-repeating locations.
Also enjoyment of skyrim is usually caused by knowing nothing better. I can't enjoy this thing without installing at least rape and slavery to keep me going and fuckton of combat mods.
But hey, its better than oblivion, i give you that.
c02dfd No.14158503
>>14158468
No, the Warhammer connection is legitimate. Skaven? They're a species of Elves (i.e. spirits artificially bound to the world) whose physical forms are tied to the "dead" God of the world whose corpse is the moons, who carry on said God's enantiomorphic role of watching the world's proceedings, and who enter into a shared-mind, reality-warping trance state through the consumption of a substance symbolically tied to said God. Lizardmen? They're a collective of souls from/uploaded to an internet-like discorporeal collective from beyond the universe whose physical forms are shaped by a remotely-controlled substance that allows them to shapeshift. Totally the same.
0ea3bd No.14158508
>>14158503
Uh, skaven is literally rats mutated by warpstones though.
What the shit?
991d89 No.14158517
>>14158234
Don't compare the depth of ultima with the boring, shallow arcade crap of skyrim etc.
c02dfd No.14158518
>>14158508
Nah, nah, that's something else. And Warhammer's Dwarves? You'd never guess it from the name, but they're actually tall, bronze-skinned Elves whose societal philosophy is defined by an unfulfilled need for a rigorously, consistently mathematically-defined objective universe for them to exist in.
991d89 No.14158526
>>14158457
Someone who remembers severance.
Best sword combat in any game.
0ea3bd No.14158527
>>14158518
Except dwarves in Warhammer are actually dwarves and not stinking elves.
There are also two kinds of dorf in Warhammer, 3 if you count the norse dorfs.
c02dfd No.14158530
>>14158527
Yeah, I'm just shitposting/shitting on ed485a's ideas.
38fb75 No.14158532
>>14158517
Other than Ultima VII, Ultima games aren't awfully deep tbh. Especially the earliest games, they're not much more than a bunch of grindfests with silly "story".
501e2d No.14158766
>>14158271
And don't forget, the sun isn't a celestial body either, it's a hole in the fabric of reality, the light coming through is from atherius, where most of the various afterlifes exist.
68a03b No.14158813
Blizzard kills wacraft series for an WCMMO
Bethesda kills ES for an ES-MMO
0ea3bd No.14158818
>>14158813
Thankfully, Warhammer MMO was too unpopular so now they switch to regular games, and get more popular due to that, while WC and TES die off.
Good riddance I say, Warhammer is the best.
c02dfd No.14163697
>>14158766
The Elder Scrolls has such a cool cosmology.
f600cb No.14163713
>No game retaking Constantinople under neo Byzantine empire making all of asia minor greek clay again
a0136c No.14163746
>We will never have a byzantine video game ever
we can't afford to lose the turk market goy
cdc7bf No.14163763
>>14158526
second best anyways
aa3de7 No.14163768
>>14158264
>Later on it became obvious the benefits offered didn't justify the costs so those that could went with plate, those that couldn't choose chainmail. You're obviously ignorant about the issue.
So you're saying that a videogame should only have the choice between heavy and light armor?
Why not a middle ground for those who can easily afford a chainmail but don't have quite enough to have a full plate? We could call it Medium armor
119b95 No.14163778
>>14163763
Between the utterly ineffective shield, the completely fucked up way he's swinging the sword and then backflipping skeletons, I have no idea what to think of this.
b8b7d1 No.14163790
>despite Byzantine armies being far superior to any medieval army
Sure thing bud, thats why they had non stop territorial loses and were basically a crony den of corruption and a failed merchant republic for the most of their history
cdc7bf No.14163816
>>14163790
>cuckchan filename
>roach-posting
checks out
Also
>bringing up territorial loses while roach-posting
Now,now he who lives in a glass house roach den and whatnot
4ac624 No.14163825
>>14163816
>got my liberation year wrong
Also Byzantia was under foreign taxation for a time being.
dc767f No.14163862
>>14163816
Did the turks ever win having less forces?
b8b7d1 No.14163938
>>14163862
I dont know you tell me
b62c5c No.14163941
>>14158226
>Katanas
>Garbage
b8b7d1 No.14163946
>>14163941
>Katana
>Not garbage
dc767f No.14163956
>>14163938
thats a pretty even battle, are there any victories where they're out numbered 2 to 1?
208b72 No.14163984
>>14163938
>cherrypick a single battle without providing background info
Yup its a cockroach shitposting
b8b7d1 No.14163998
>>14163956
>Allowing your army to get outnumbered
Thats a sign of a shit strategy
>>14163984
There is a battle name included in the screenshoot, you can goygle it yourself im not gonna spoonfeed you
400d08 No.14164004
>>14158147
The times where the byzantines fought seriusly they were frequently victorius, like with the imperial restoration under justinian/bellisarius, the macedonian renaissance or the kommenos restoration/alexiad, their main problem was always the constant civil wars they inherited from the romans because sucession was a clusterfuck and the theme system gave generals personal armies to push their claims with.
Besides, their main weapons were their ships with greek fire and their cataphracts, with infantry being merely a buffer.
208b72 No.14164023
>>14163998
go back to /pol/ and larp as a nazi
4606b1 No.14164053
>>14163713
EU3/EU4
You can play as Byzantium and reclaim Roman clay.
400d08 No.14164067
>>14158354
How are varangian guardsmen generic?
They are like vikings with added fancyness and silk, /fa/ vikings/anglo-saxons.
>>14163713
So the megalii idea of greece after WW1?
>>14163746
The how come taleworlds, being a turkish dev, is focusing so much on (not)byzantine empire in bonerlord?
Hell, they even have a huge video on it wich is basically manzikert with turks winning first round and byzzies the second.
>>14163790
They were constantly outnumbered and undermanned, with most of it land being heaviuly depopulated after the byzantine dark ages.
97867f No.14164083
>>14163998
Why don't you post the name of the battles? Also I'm guessing the first pic is a battle from WW1. Where turkish forces were heavily dependent on germans for training and where the ottomans lost Istanbul at the end.
The second hard to tell, but I believe its one of the crusades, which means they fought against a wild bunch of crusaders where every nation just added a few troops in it. Hardly proves anything.
b8b7d1 No.14164106
>>14164083
>Why don't you post the name of the battles?
Because they didnt fit into my screenshoot
First one is Siege of Kut, 2nd one is Battle of Nicopolis
4ac624 No.14164116
>>14164106
>Because they didnt fit into my screenshoot
???
0aacf0 No.14164122
>>14164106
>Because they didnt fit into my screenshoot
fbc867 No.14164145
>>14164023
he doesn't know
ad4c36 No.14164164
>>14158109
TES has always been overrated.
91b52b No.14164228
>>14164106
excuse me, what?
b8b7d1 No.14164235
>>14164228
>>14164116
>>14164122
I dont get this, what did i say wrong?
df35ac No.14164255
>>14164106
>Siege of Kut
Most of the siege of kut's casualties came from the fact the Turks death marched the surrendering troops across a desert after they ran out of food, Kut also only had 8000 troops garrisoning it (mainly Indian troops), the other lot are from relief efforts.
c23dd0 No.14164336
The original t*rks were the kara boga, nubian blacks from egypt.
4dab92 No.14168037
>>14158147
What also lead them to their downfall was an accidental raid by Crusaders. kek. How the fuck do you lose to peasants with swords?
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>>14158109
It's ok OP, we got sexy lizard boys in exchange
3ebb20 No.14168087
>>14158291
>>14158366
My niggas, I love that movie too and I've never seen it brought up before.
103f00 No.14168093
>>14168037
Surprise attacks by Catholic scum.
712a0a No.14168104
There's already plenty of games with Rome, why would you want to play as knock off Rome?
a68bd1 No.14168145
>>14163768
Light could be Gambeson, Medium Chain, and Heavy Plate, I guess.
Although realistically, people wore Gambeson, and then Chain on top of the gambeson, and then plate on top of the gambeson, depending on how much they could afford.
04b2d6 No.14168885
>>14158109
>We will never have a byzantine video game ever, despite Byzantine armies being far superior to any medieval army with better looking equipment that was also more easy to mass manufacture.
>the "Roman Empire" which was just the succesor state of a rump state, which managed to lose their entire Empire except for Anatolia and Greece proper
>abolished their professional army for their retarded theme system
>forgot how to train Cataphracts
>muh Elite Varangian Guard
>but medieveal western armies are totally useless even though the Varangians and other mercenaries came from there
>the fourth crusade was actually the byzantines stabbing each other in the back like honorless faggots and byzantoboos still cry about it, just because the Crusaders weren't going to stand for this reckless faggotry and pushed their shit in, when the Byzantines tried to betray the Byzantines
This is coming from someone who loves to play as Greece in Viccy, but honestly you faggots have to stop worshipping the Bzantines. They were degenerate and corrupt. Typical late stage Empire.
I would have prefered if Bulgaria, Serbia or the Normans (they actually tried those crazy mofos) took it over and were reverse-assimilated.into Greeks, but sadly that didn't happen and instead it was the Turks taking over.
cdc7bf No.14168915
>>14168885
still better than the hun infested shitfest that had the gall to call itself an empire,let alone a holy one
04b2d6 No.14168932
>>14168915
>holy
The HRE for a long time controlled the Pope either indirectly or him being a direct vassal
>roman
As I already mentioned, because the HRE controlled the Pope, it controlled Rome.
>Empire
It had the imperial title. It had kings as vassals. And legally it was the sucessor the Western Roman Empire.
Also it actually had different ethnicties in its borders and wasn't just a rump state pushed back to such a small area that they were culturally homogenous.
The HRE at one point was even more centralized than France. It was only pure chance that history decided that many Emperors right after one another did not manage to leave their Empire to a direct succesor, which over time decentralized the Empire beyond repair.
04b2d6 No.14168953
>be Greece
>your capital is a tiny 6000 population town
>constantly obstruct your King by factionalism and stupid Constituonalism instead of letting him be a based Absolute Monarch so he can do the appropiate reforms to make Greece extremely economically advanced, so he can pay for a an army to storm Constantinople
>fuck up forever your chance at getting back Constantinople
>cuck for the Allies, who wouldn't even let you annex Albanian territory instead of the based central powers resulting in all Greeks forever being expelled from Anatolia
>flash forward to right now
>full of communists like a fucking latin american country
>looks like one too
>only period of moderate success was a military dictatorship, after that it was a socialist shithole continually in decline
>poor as fuck, to this day hasn't managed to not spend more than they earn
>spergs out at the Germans who like you so much that they keep giving you money, loans and assistance, even though you don't deserve it
Being a German, who loves Greece is pure suffering.
19390f No.14168954
>>14168087
It's a hidden and rough gem. The cheesy and overdramatic acting combined with the greasy camera leaves a very strong impression. I love it because it doesn't take itself seriously. No realism autism, no expensive CGI, just good-'ol knight with swords hitting each other while talking like they're in a Shakespeare rehearsal. I think we need movie nights back again and make them weekly.
00e9f4 No.14168965
>>14168915
The title was given to them by the Pope because before the 9th century the Papacy was still dependent on the military aid of the Byzantine. However the iconoclasm in the Byzantine made the Pope butthurt so they wanted to cut ties with the Greeks and gave the emperor title to the Franks.
04b2d6 No.14168972
>>14168965
>The title was given to them by the Pope because before the 9th century the Papacy was still dependent on the military aid of the Byzantine
Actually legally it's a continuation of the Crown given to Karl the Great. He is what unites both Germans and French(Franks).
00e9f4 No.14169082
>>14168972
Nah, that's a whole separate title. He became the King of the Franks first but later the Pope gave Karl the title "Emperor of the Romans" to cut ties with the Greeks and their iconoclasm. It's the same guy but different title. If you look at the bottom of the wiki page it says he was the King of the Franks, King of the Lombards and the Emperor of the Romans. They're 3 separate titles and you're talking about the first one (unites both Germans and French) and I'm talking about the last one (given by the Pope).
Much later the Frankish realm got divided into three and the monarch of the Eastern Kingdom, later the Kingdom of Germany, ended up getting the Emperor of the Romans title which he used to establish the Holy Roman Empire. So basically the King of Germany title is related to the Frankish stuff whereas the Holy Roman Emperor title is related to the title given by the Pope in effort to re-establish the western roman empire so that the papacy wouldn't be dependent on the eastern roman empire any longer when it comes to military aid.
04b2d6 No.14170053
>>14169082
> Holy Roman Emperor title is related to the title given by the Pope in effort to re-establish the western roman empire so that the papacy wouldn't be dependent
Doesn't it make reference to the title Karl the Great has been given?
04b2d6 No.14170069
>>14169082
>>14170053
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_of_the_Romans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Emperor
There you can see it. Karl the Great is regarded as the founder of the Holy Roman Empire.
Also we Germans see him as one of the most important figures in our nation's history and I think it's nice that both we and the French share him.
86c1d4 No.14170100
>>14168037
>accidental raid by Crusaders
>taking over the most secure and prosperous city in the known world
Reminder that normans literally fucked a whore in the seat of the patriarch after vandalizing hagia sophia.
6c5359 No.14170196
>>14158244
>So why the fuck are they using lorica segmentata in a world where plate exists? Why are they running around with katanas, a sword that was more status symbol than genuine weapon of war, if everyone is running around in armor?
Because the Blades are secret police, not soldiers. The Legion doesn't use katanas (and didn't use lorica segmentata in Oblivion or Morrowind).
04b2d6 No.14170215
>>14170100
Yeah and the Byzantines were of course totally innocent in this.
It's not like the Alexios IV persuaded the Westerners to come to his city and conquer it for him. It's not like he appealed to their sense of honor and the Byzantines were totally known to be honorable as fuck. Palace coups are of course something totally unknown in Byzantium. That's totally why it was an outrage that wasn't the Emperor and not because only the Westerners thought the concept of this kind of barbarism isn't acceptable.
And of course the fact that the Crusaders somehow became outraged, when Byzantium trolled them after they conquered the city and put the mutilated Isaac, the father of Alexios IV on the Throne. As you know that totally wasn't against the rules, since mutilation was never used as a byzantine method of disinheritance.
It was again the Crusader's fault for not accepting this humiliation and that the entire reason why they came to the city in the first place was just taken from them. It was totally unreasonable for the Crusaders then to exile Isaac from the city and … Oh. Wait. You are saying they acted totally reasonable by accepting this, but demanding that his son be named Co-Emperor?
Okay, you got me there, but it totally is all the Crusader's fault for the fact that the byzantine mobs attacked them and every "Latin" in a fit of autistic rage. Kinda like they would later treat King Merkel considering she was even hated in Germany for giving Greece way too much money with not hard enough conditions.
And that the Empire was such a mismanaged piece of shit that he wasn't a able to raise the sum of money promised to the Crusaders and them not accepting when he just told them "FUCK OFF FROM MY CITY, YOU GET NOTHING".
I mean how could those evil Crusaders have done that? Honor and kinship meant something in the Byzantine Empire. It's not like the father of the new Empire would tell lies about his own son to get him disposed by calling him a perverted faggo….
Okay okay, but that was just a fluke. I mean why didn't the Crusaders just accept being treated like shit like the HRE-larping FAGGOTS THEY ARE? RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
9cc7d8 No.14170253
Elderscrolls lore thread?! Did we get to the time traveling robots and the spaceships?
fae5f5 No.14170260
>magic is still unsatisfying in TES
>morrowind's magic customization is interesting, but ultimately game-breaking
Is there any game that does magic properly?
I've heard that Gothic's system is pretty good.
86c1d4 No.14170305
>>14170215
Sure, lets just excuse that they destroyed more with more abbandon in less time that THE FUCKING OTTOMANS did.
They managed to wreak such havoc that nearly a milennia didnt accomplish.
What kind of fucking christian fucks a prostitute in one of the holiest places in history?
86c1d4 No.14170315
>>14170235
The city had barely a garrison at the time, and the varangians stopped fighting when the walls were taken, military units where campaigning at the time.
04b2d6 No.14170345
>>14170305
>Sure, lets just excuse that they destroyed more with more abbandon in less time that THE FUCKING OTTOMANS did.
Yeah, b-based Byzantines. It's totally not like the Byzantines attacked the Latins and Crusaders in their city. Totally justified.
Of course it was a complete overreaction for the Crusader IN RETALIATION against the Byzantines to attack the… oh wait, you are saying they actually attacked a Mosque? In my based Constantionple that by that point had a sizeable muslim population? The same Byzantine Empire that attacked fellow Christians over minor doctrinal differences, but would Muslims into their city?
Ugh … well I mean …. FUCK!
>What kind of fucking christian fucks a prostitute in one of the holiest places in history?
The kind who lived long enough in Constantinople that every single Greek was such a good person, so honorable and righteous, that he recongized rightly that Greeks are Angels in human form.
So why wouldn't you have sex with an Angel in the holiest place in history?
04b2d6 No.14170362
>>14170345
And the based Byzantines defended their Muslims against the Crusaders, who attacked the Muslims, because the Byzantines attacked the Latin Population of the city.
Of course it's the Crusaders that are evil!
fae5f5 No.14170394
All right, since the thread's devolved into Byzaboo faggotry, do you guys have any recommended reading on Byzantium?
5bf619 No.14170398
>>14170345
Isn't sex outside of marriage a sin?
04b2d6 No.14170419
>>14170398
I mean if an Angel wants to fuck you, would you really ponder whether it's a sin or just trust the Angel, who by definition is a being of pure goodness?
4dab92 No.14170440
>>14170305
>What kind of fucking christian fucks a prostitute in one of the holiest places in history?
Catholic scum are not Christian.
5bf619 No.14170458
>>14170419
>would you really ponder whether it's a sin or just trust the Angel
When a running theme in your religion is Satan and all his tricks, abso-fucking-lutely. It's like you don't even know anything about what you claim to believe.
04b2d6 No.14170462
>>14170421
Can you post more please? I like them.
>Hagia Sophia shown with Minaretts
Fuck, that kinda made me chuckle.
>>14170440
If you weren't so autistic I wouldn't have to respond with such autism in retaliation.
>>14170444
Is it really recommend though to read primary sources instead of sources, which interpret the events and give you proper context?
Although I would recommend to read the Alexiad anyway.
fae5f5 No.14170468
>>14170444
Checked and specked, much appreciated, anon.
>>14170462
>Is it really recommend though to read primary sources instead of sources, which interpret the events and give you proper context?
I've always tried to read primary sources first, then read up anything written about them to help unravel them.
a3f5f4 No.14170481
>>14170421
There is something seriously wrong with you people. Is this ironic or something? Do you really think that picture of whoever that is (Jeshua the Christ?) looks better than that sick picture of architecture? Similarly, you really think that shitty church looks better than the Colosseum? The entry for ants isn't even worth reading.
04b2d6 No.14170489
>>14170481
Other Anon here, who spoke out against unchecked Byzantoboo faggotry.
I actually love playing as them in history games.
>Similarly, you really think that shitty church looks better than the Colosseum?
But the mosque does look pretty impressive I have to say.
fae5f5 No.14170492
>>14170481
Evidently you have zero reading comprehension, because the anon said he made it to bait /his/.
You know. Bait.
That thing people throw out to purposefully upset others?
04b2d6 No.14170528
>>14170492
he's not wrong tho
d04eed No.14176593
>>14158244
Fuck you faggot, it's fantasy, you really don't need to explain shit if the gameplay is fun. Too bad it isn't fun after Morrowind.
aa3de7 No.14186460
>>14170260
>Gamebreaking magic
>Not proper magic
u wot m8?
531a42 No.14192329
>>14192317
The whole image reeks of leftism and fucking inaccuracy. Jesus didn't suffer as much as he could and likely should have. Were he set in a brass bull for example and placed to burn outside the temple, it would have done a great amount of damage to the Jewish national spirit.
7e36be No.14192376
>>14158526
My nigger.
>>14163763
This game was an exercise in frustration. I miss it.
29f45c No.14192428
>>14158234
>magic and sorcery excludes internal consistency
hello pete hines.
523aae No.14192484
>itt /v/irgins shitpost about history
>>>/his/