6386be No.14138794
http://archive.is/y0zC9
>“Obsidian did a great job of capitalising on the timing of Kickstarter and the wave of nostalgia for these type of titles,” goes his hypothesis. “We've seen that most of the titles after Pillars of Eternity, if you look at Wasteland, Torment - they haven't been anywhere near that kind of success. So maybe it's that a lot of nostalgia fed into the initial bubble and that's why. These games have a market, but it's never gonna be that peak [again].”
So basically
>The game didn't sell well because it wasn't good
>NO It didn't sell well because people don't like CRPGs!
>Don't look at Divinity OS 1 and 2 being huge successes and having tons of fans though!
>Also don't look at Wasteland 2 being made because the first game made a profit!
741e1a No.14138798
86d44c No.14138815
Tyranny wasn't that good. I actually think Wasteland 2 was better, and I didn't care for that one either. Obsidian needs to go through a restructuring and bring in better people or just stop because I am worried what they are going to bring out next.
5f2e93 No.14138828
>>14138794
Just how many shitbait threads do you need deleted on a daily base? Got a quota or something?
cd7a1a No.14138839
>>14138818
>>14138819
>So butthurt by the truth he samefags
Sad.
92b5d9 No.14138840
>>14138812
Don't know about NV, but I loved NWN2 and KOTOR2.
6386be No.14138849
>>14138840
Old Obsidian was great but today most of their talent left. NV was also super fucking rushed.
6386be No.14138857
>>14138828
>Bait
Are you triggered I insulted Tranny or because I complemented Divinity/Wasteland?
80d151 No.14138867
>>14138839
>calls a duplicated post samefagging
At least try.
08e1cd No.14138876
What SJW shit ended up in Tyranny?
6386be No.14138882
>>14138860
I assume you are talking about Tyranny. I pirated it and while I didn't get far enough to see sjw shit I got tired of the stale combat and men story/world. On the other hand I have 40 hours in Wasteland 2 and about 200 in both Divinities.
4e6245 No.14138902
I'm really interested in complex RPGs with player agency from Obsidian, even if they're full of SJW shit.
What put me off from both Tranny and PoE was the absolutely awful combat that looked like it hadn't evolved at all from when CRPGs were big.
As someone that likes to play RPGs to get immersed into a story and feel like I'm making choices that matter a combat that I just don't want to play completely breaks the game for me.
That's also why New Vegas was so great. It understands that people are not going to play a western RPG for the combat mechanics, so they just made it barely functional and focused on dialogue trees and player agency. There's moments in New Vegas where you can go for hours without ever even fighting someone.
Original Sin at least tries to make the combat a bit better instead of just ripping it off completely from games that were made in 1994
4740a8 No.14138906
>>14138849
>NV was also super fucking rushed.
Just like Kotor 2
92b5d9 No.14138909
>>14138849
I think one of their main writers left recently.
Someone ought to know more than me though.
But yes, they're essentially in the same boat as all other old companies – the people that made them great are gone now.
607951 No.14138914
>>14138902
>game without gameplay
4e6245 No.14138918
>>14138914
>I don't read posts :^)
6386be No.14138922
>>14138909
Chris Avellone left to work on Crpgs like Divinity OS 2 and Wasteland 3. He is now a famous meme dev so can now make big bucks off of doing bit parts rather than being the lead like he was with Kotor 2 and NV
4e6245 No.14138926
>>14138922
>Wasteland 3
Is that even still happening?
607951 No.14138931
>>14138918
I did read your post faggot
>a game that has very little focus on the combat
>almost entirely focused on shit like dialogue
86d44c No.14138939
>>14138926
They successfully got the money from a crowdfunding campaign, I haven't heard any news from it since then.
4e6245 No.14138943
>>14138931
The dialogue and the player agency is the gameplay.
You played new vegas for the shooting?
You played Fallout for the oh so exciting tile based shooting?
Are you a fucking idiot?
69d6be No.14138948
>>14138812
Excellent bait, have a courtesy (You)
d126c3 No.14138951
>>14138926
>>14138939
It did a crowdfunding campaign on (((fig))), so maybe it's being used as a money laundering scheme.
3ab626 No.14138965
>A no name studio with a niche series made an RPG that beat anything Obsidian, CDproject or Bethesda made in over a decade and it sold well too
EVEN NOW THERE IS HOPE FOR MAN
4e6245 No.14139010
>>14138988
Wow anon what a smart and articulated post, it's clear you actually read what I wrote and not just shitposted
3ab626 No.14139028
>>14138926
>what is a text adventure
b8d867 No.14139032
>>14138794
Obsidian really is oblivious to their own bullshit.
>Fire and/or censor writers that are seen to be too offensive.
>Do this when a major selling point is writing.
>Make a shitty story written by tumblr.
>Censor kickstarter backers and content in the game itself while telling fans who liked it to fuck off.
>>14138926
They funded the game using Fig even when a shit ton of people hated Fig at the time. They acted really pasive aggressively to anyone who disliked Fig, and then shat on any fans who called some of the devs out for being SJWs. It will probably flop and commercially fail.
3ab626 No.14139035
>>14139028
Meant for
>>14139020
4e6245 No.14139037
>>14139020
Sure.
Only combat can be gameplay. That's why Morrowind was such a huge hit, the combat in morrowind might as well be the pinnacle of gameplay.
3ab626 No.14139052
So has anyone made a list of the good Crpgs? Off the top of my head
>Divinity is 2
>Expedition conquestador
>Shadowrun returns DLC
>Wasteland 2
fb9519 No.14139070
>>14138922
>Chis Avellone left
He didnt leave he was fired because he is fucking trash, if he wasnt co-founder of the company nobody would take him seriously.
4e6245 No.14139074
>>14139049
Ah
So Puzzle games don't have gameplay? What about Adventure Games?
Anon your argument is fucking retarded. There's RPGs where you can spend hours just walking around talking to people to complete a quest or find information before finding any kind of combat.
The best RPGs of all time are all remembered for either their branching story and player agency.
I'm gonna stop feeding you (you)s now
6386be No.14139077
>>14139070
So they fired their best writer because he was trash?
4e6245 No.14139083
>>14139077
He wasn't fired, he decided to work as a freelancer so that he could pick and choose stuff he wanted to work on without being tied down to one studio
fb9519 No.14139093
>>14139077
>their best writer
This has to be a troll or that retarded french shitposter who jerks off to his Kreia headcanon
>>14139083
Nah he was 100% fired he even had a mental breakdown on twitter about it saying he was feeling "betrayed" and after a week deleted all those tweets saying he is a free agent now, basicly he is the Chris Metzen of Obsidian, overrated trash with big ego.
4e6245 No.14139098
>>14139093
I did not know about this meltdown
nevermind then
630073 No.14139105
>>14139028
A meme genre, like VNs.
Reading != gaming
96ebef No.14139118
Nothing to do with the dry Josh Sawyer and his hard-on for anti-fun balance uber alles, nope.
607951 No.14139161
>>14139074
>its fine to have a good story if the combat is shit
wew
ede09e No.14139238
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>>14139118
>make game
>pander to retards and mentally deranged deviants
>gets high on your own supply
>blame everyone else as a result when the game underperforms
kinda reminds me of someone but i can't put my finger on it
Also
TRANNY 2 is cancelled
9e430e No.14139300
>cRPG fansbase is mostly male
>fill your marketing teams with man-hating bigots that constantly bash men on social media
>why we have no fans?
4e6245 No.14139332
>>14139300
woah is that painting real?
d7c471 No.14139345
>tfw can't enjoy cRPGs
Pull the plug.
12b41f No.14139367
>>14139238
Even without all tranny shit game doesnt have anything good in it. Shit writing and a fucking lot of it. Have you played pillars? Who the fuck cares about random assholes plowing dirt and doing random medieval peasant shit. Do they really thouth that people who love to read will want random rambling about nothing in particular?
Not to mention shit engine. How the fuck you make 2d game loading time so long while it looks so bad instead of using infinity engine which works fine after all these years?
8f66de No.14139370
>>14138794
Obsidian is quickly evolving into the retarded, inbred cousin of BioWare. Can't wait for the next trainwreck they will gift us with.
Also, let's not forget that Underraial, Age of Decadence and even Grimoire made a profit and sold well above expectation. The simple truth is that PoE and Tyranny were badly written, badly designed garbage more concerned with being a Twilight fanfic and shoveling Marxism at people.
6386be No.14139377
>>14139093
Considering the company went to shit right after he left and you can't think of s better writer working there it is safe to say he is there best faggot
8f66de No.14139381
>>14139367
>Do they really thouth that people who love to read will want random rambling about nothing in particular?
It's GRUM's award winning choice of topic for his writings. After all, he's the literary genius that criticized Tolkien for actually trying to write an interesting plot instead of delving into the tax policies of the Seven Kingdoms. Forget doing exciting quests and going on adventures, you gotta listen to the moans of the proletariat and strike down the bourgeois pigs.
fb9519 No.14139412
>>14139377
Company went to shit with him in top position not after he "left" (HE WAS FIRED) and only after they fired him they started making creative games again, your fanboyism for that Obsidian version of Metzen is beyond stupid, hell i can even bet you are the guy who was making all those Obsidian dicksucking threads on /v/ back in 2016 and now you are making these threads solely to bash Obsidian because they kicked Avellone and not because you really dislike Tyranny or their other games.
12b41f No.14139435
>>14139412
>only after they fired him they started making creative games again
8f66de No.14139456
>>14139412
He told them to go fuck themselves when they threw away all he had written for PoE (and the bits we got are the best written parts of the game) in favor of purple prose writing tumblrtards.
df1a1e No.14139460
Obsidian? Man, that's funny another game company took that name. I remember this Obsidian from a few years back, made all these great games like Alpha Protocol and Fallout New Vegas, Interesting RPGs with difficult choices and that didn't shy away from dark subjects. Sad thing is one day Obsidian just went on a trip and just never came back, and we never heard from them again. I always wondered what amazing games they would have made had they lasted longer, but I guess we'll never know.
12f23c No.14139462
Was it even a CRPG/WRPG?whatever at all though? I assumed it played more like Diablo.
7f85af No.14139475
Obsidian games are shit. I quit Numanuma after spending 1 hour in a single room having two NPC dump background lore on me via text. How the fuck is that fun? If they want to write books then write books, don't make games
0945fe No.14139481
Someone post the PDF detailing Obsidian's shitshow with the development of Armored Warfare.
fb9519 No.14139482
>>14139435
Personally am not a huge fan of Pillars of Eternity but that game was great for what it was and there were 2 expansions and a planned sequel to it meaning it was a succesful game, one developer even said that Pillars of Eternity saved them from closing down the studio.
>>14139456
>He told them to go fuck themselves when they threw away all he had written for PoE (and the bits we got are the best written parts of the game) in favor of purple prose writing tumblrtards.
You mean after they rejected his garbage writting the game became a huge success that saved the studio from closing? Lmao your headcanon is hilarious considering he was begging people from Obsidian not to fire him but to keep him as in some honorary position within the company, thats why he had a meltdown on twitter after he got fired.
293388 No.14139484
>>14139475
Play action games and not RPGs, anon.
e272dc No.14139496
>>14138794
I stopped playing the game after the split between the factions. It made no sense to have the player go through the prologue, giving them the option to carefully balance their relations with each faction, and then within an hour having them solely on the side of one faction and in outright war with the other.
The concept was fine but the execution was really poor. I was hoping for a game in which I could play as the representative of a tyrant, using political maneuvering, manipulation, and forceful judgement to hold together a splintering army long enough to march over the last remaining free territories. Instead I got shit.
Also the art style is fucking tumblr-tier and it looks awful.
>>14138840
Its a bait post, ignore him
>>14139093
Kreia was arguably one of the best-written video game characters in the past 20 years. What issues do you have with Avellone?
>>14139412
>after they fired him they started making creative games again
What "creative" games have they made since he left?
743d3c No.14139507
are the people in this thread seriously arguing the tumblrtards they have now are better
wow ok
96ebef No.14139520
>>14139482
>headcanon
fuck off
8f66de No.14139525
>>14139507
It's one shitposting cretin.
12b41f No.14139531
>>14139482
>Obsidian blames Tyranny failing on CRPGs not having a fanbase
You trying to hard to win worst taste of all time award.
8f66de No.14139554
>>14139550
I was talking about fb9519, but I can call you an illiterate imbecile too if you so desire.
fb9519 No.14139582
>>14139496
>Kreia was arguably one of the best-written video game characters in the past 20 years. What issues do you have with Avellone?
One of the best-written characters? Are you on drugs or just huffing too much of Avellone farts? She is a bipolar character in the released game because KOTOR2 development time was cut short by 18 months, thats why Kreia says contradicting things throughout the game like the beggar situation on Nar Shaddaa as one example.
>>14139531
i am not defending Tyranny maybe you need to read properly
>>14139525
>>14139554
funny how you accuse others of shitposting when they recognize your Avellone fanboyist dicksucking
e272dc No.14139595
>>14139582
>thats why Kreia says contradicting things throughout the game like the beggar situation on Nar Shaddaa as one example.
Were you really too stupid to understand that?
9bbdb8 No.14139607
>>14139595
She say contradictory shit all the time. She is supposedly about independence and relying only on yourself yet she allows us to travel with a huge group of companions.
And then there was the stupid section in the Sith cave where you had to save her even though she was obviously evil.
12b41f No.14139612
>>14139475
Tides are not made by obsidian. inxile entertainment, try bards tale from them instead.
743d3c No.14139630
>>14139554
chill i realized my mistake and deleted the post, sorry my dude
e272dc No.14139638
>>14139607
>She is supposedly about independence and relying only on yourself yet she allows us to travel with a huge group of companions.
She is about personal strength and using what means are available to you to improve yourself and reach your goals. One of your character strengths is the ability to influence and manipulate others, which she talks with you about at length and urges you to take advantage of this to better your own position. She specifically refers to your companions as tools to be used for your own ends and scoffs at you if you tell her that they are friends and allies, not tools.
I seriously think you might need to replay the game.
fb9519 No.14139642
>>14139595
>Were you really too stupid to understand that?
Lmao i knew you Kreia cultists would try to respond with that shit, only 200 IQ people can understand bi-polar characters from an unfinished game? Are you a Rick and Morty fan too?
>>14139607
the thing about Kreia is she was supposed to the Light side path end game enemy and symbolize the corruption and rigidness of Jedi Order, after the game development lost 18 months they mixed both Dark Side (Atris was Dark Side enemy) and Light Side paths and put it in her so she seems bi-polar in released game. This Kreia cult of 2DEEP4U is mostly from idiots who see deeper meaning where there is none.
9bbdb8 No.14139666
>>14139642
Even better
Remember how she gives you a big speech about how much she loves you at the end even though she tried to kill you seconds ago? Clearly there was an ending where you talked her out of being a Sith that was cut out and they had to repurpose the content.
fb9519 No.14139713
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>>14139666
yea the ending didnt make sense at all for her, if you take in mind the Light side path they originally intended it was obvious you could atleast have an option to turn her back and reform the Jedi Order without the previous fuck ups, ending for Kotor2 was prob the weakest part of that game and it felt really dissapointing, Atton vs Sion being cut was dissapointing too.
90d212 No.14139745
>takes paracuck interview and attributes it to obsidian
>OP never not sucking cocks
e5cff0 No.14139757
>>14139666
>Remember how she gives you a big speech about how much she loves you at the end even though she tried to kill you seconds ago?
She was testing you, you mong.
Kreia is manipulative and used you all throughout the game, but she respects you because you learned to live without the force and became stronger than her without it.
cb0ca8 No.14139761
>Obsidian makes a game for a publisher
>"IT WAS THE PUBLISHERS WHO FUCKED US OVER!!!!"
>Obsidian crowd funds a game themselves
>"IT WAS THE PEOPLE WHO FUCKED US OVER!!!!"
12f23c No.14139773
>>14139761
True game development has never been tried.
e85b71 No.14139778
All companies that hire (or pander to) leftists are guaranteed to have their products be of the lowest quality. Leftist = shitty product. Always.
>>14138815
They made a whole game about "muh feminists and equality against evil Men". They were doomed from the start. The mindset that makes someone embrace feminism is the same that causes incompetency and lack of intelligence to develop some talent.
Obsidian is a shit company run by subhumans pandering to feminists and leftists in general.
>>14138909
The main reason for their loss of quality is that they hired abominations instead of humans to replace the old talents that left.
>>14138943
If you play a GAME for the dialogue first, you are a retarded soyboy that gets all emotional for any shit that yo read.
4e6245 No.14139782
>>14139761
Tranny wasn't crowdfunded
4e6245 No.14139784
>>14139778
I probably should start playing mature games for mature gamers such as yourself
e272dc No.14139819
>>14139757
fb9519 and 9bbdb8 are just shitposting. Pretty sure the whole board is getting raided.
000000 No.14139836
36cb0a No.14139868
>>14138815
Really? I guess I might be the only one on the planet, but I thoroughly enjoyed the plot sans an underdeveloped independent route. The only awful shit was the Kyros "muh ebil secret girl overlord because of patriarchy."
Gameplay was better than it's predecessor (name escapes me, I've played it before) if uncannily similar in terms of skill trees.
What do people think was bad about it?
9e430e No.14139874
>>14139332
Yes it dates back to 1501.
2d729c No.14139973
>>14138988
>posts a game with zero (0) dialogue choices
6386be No.14140057
>>14139412
Holy shit, you arent even baiting
054e2e No.14140069
>>14139868
how about fags and shoehorning you into fag drama
12f23c No.14140089
>>14140002
Why does the artwork look like something straight out of the newer Scooby Doo series?
5007e5 No.14140091
>>14139074
>So Puzzle games don't have gameplay? What about Adventure Games?
If they have a failure state, yes. If not then no. The Adventure game genre had potential but Mr. Shitface fucked it up with Monkey Islands lol so randum solutions and the genre went to shit hard aping that title and never ever recovered.
fb9519 No.14140094
>>14140057
did you wipe your tears after hearing the truth about that trash Avellone?
6386be No.14140133
>>14139607
Kriea wasn't evil faggot and her point was to show you that both the light and dark side were wrong.
6386be No.14140145
>>14139666
I see you were also too retarded to understand MGS3 as well
6386be No.14140158
>>14140094
No you ate right. New Vegas was horrible CIA white male power fantasy. I am happy that sexist left so they could right Tranny
12f23c No.14140170
>Tom Soyer triggered and IP hopping ITT
40dcee No.14140179
>>14138794
>think they're hot shit after going independent (only to whore their ass to Swedes right after, kek)
>release Pillars of Boredom
>double down with Tranny
>fuck up everything possible in both of them, from combat (shit in PoE, downright abysmal, offensively bad in Tranny) to story (shit in PoE, literally asking you to help prep the bull in Tranny), the one thing Obsidian always prided itself in
I can see why they'd rather delude themselves into thinking the customer is the problem, rather than facing just how low they've fallen
>>14139370
>Also, let's not forget that Underraial, Age of Decadence and even Grimoire made a profit and sold well above expectation
That's because all of them target their niche, while Obsidian whores itself out to normalfags
>>14138902
I've played plenty of old cRPGs, but only a few of them had a combat as lacklustre as PoE, and absolutely none had anything even close as terrible to the abortion of a mechanic that Tranny has.
>>14139482
I know you are just shitposting, but I still want you to fucking die.
d1b032 No.14140187
fb9519 No.14140194
>>14140158
lmao are you losing it or just trying to pathetically shitpost and turn this into political to divert blame from Avellone?
>>14140179
samefag harder mierde
f30734 No.14140199
>appeal to social progressive feminist degenerates
>grognards who like medieval times do not like it
Who. Who could have predicted that people who pine for the days of witch burnings and dung farming would not like third wave feminism in Tyranny?
1a77f3 No.14140200
f30734 No.14140207
>>14140204
Do you feel in charge?
fb9519 No.14140211
>>14140200
OP is a frenchie from cuckchan known for ID hopping and samefagging, he is so desperate in his agenda that he even goes to reddit to fling shit
12f23c No.14140213
>>14140199
I have a hard time believing legit grognards would've played it regardless because it barely even looked like a legit RPG.
4aa89e No.14140225
>Every single CRPG thread has the same retarded shitposter in it trying to bait everyone
4af2f4 No.14140231
>>14138812
>NV is average at best
I really don't get why everyone loves the shit out of it
04ba1e No.14140241
>>14140207
You're a huge guy
000000 No.14140258
>>14138965
>anyone beats CDproject at RPGs anytime ever
You're so deep in flash multiverse you don't understand reality no more.
fe1298 No.14140355
>>14140258
Go back to cuckchan, nigger. Witcher games are not good rpgs.
fe1298 No.14140361
>>14140231
New Vegas is a great RPG, compared to anything else that came out at the time. Retroactive contrarians should hang themselves.
ad0116 No.14140369
>>14140258
>Anybody beats Deus Ex or Vampire the Masquerade anytime soon
Torposter anon, please. So far these 2 RPG's have blown the shit out of anything else in the West and anything in the East.
a22eb2 No.14140383
>>14138812
I wanted to angrily disagree, but after careful consideration I've realized that I got nothin'
At best, NV was the pinnacle of mediocrity. It's like eating a stack of pancakes without syrup.
bd4263 No.14140386
>>14138812
>NV is average at best.
1a77f3 No.14140391
>>14140258
>TOR
>the post is absolute garbage
I mean, how the fuck are torposters always retarded?
36cb0a No.14140410
>>14140069
where were the faggots in tyranny? all i remember was the stupid kyros shit
12f23c No.14140415
>>14140383
A good pancake doesn't need syrup.
d1b032 No.14140424
>>14140369
>deus ex
>rpg
FPS with RPG elements. "Immersive sims" all have too much player skill absent statistical abstraction to be RPGs.
3f237b No.14140469
>Avellone writes the only interesting two companions in PoE, Durance and Grieving Mother
>They get cut to shit because every other writer didn't put out nearly as much quality content for them
>Grieving Mother basically doesn't make any sense now
>Avellone leaves an angry facebook post, quits the company he co-founded
>PoE comes out, its shit except for Durance
>Every Obsidian game that comes out after this has mediocre writing at best
I email with him sometimes, apparently quite a few high level people left Obsidian after the mess that was PoE.
Tyranny especially fucking sucks
9ca75f No.14140481
>>14140469
is tim cain still there?
4aa89e No.14140483
>>14140258
The Switcher 1 and 2 were good but 3 was meh and Divinity OS2 was better at being an rpg
12f23c No.14140508
>>14140481
If he is then his work isn't leaving a mark.
fb9519 No.14140523
>>14140469
>Avellone leaves an angry facebook post, quits the company he co-founded
>(1)
nice fanon story mierde
434bf2 No.14140532
>>14139773
10/10 Well done, my friend.
96d77e No.14140558
I actually haven't heard of this game until now.
e85b71 No.14140561
>>14139784
If you are capable of playing, instead of just reading, soyboy.
fb9519 No.14140564
>>14140532
>>14140482
>(1)
You have no shame with samefagging your own posts do you?
96d77e No.14140602
>>14139778
Dialogue is gameplay in a good RPG, you bright spark. It's not like just watching cutscenes. You're interacting and making decisions the whole time.
d3ddf0 No.14140631
anons who hate on Avellone don't realize that he was the glue that got all the talent to stick to Obsidian, when he was fired many who was close-friends with him left. This is the reason on why Obsidian won't touch Fallout because they would fuck it up a lot more worse then Pete Hines did.
12f23c No.14140654
>>14140631
>anons
It's a goon. Look at his filenames.
616d8d No.14140662
Haven't Obsidian games always sold like shit?
434bf2 No.14140687
>>14140564
>implying he's me because of my (1)
There's nothing worth of discussion in this thread. Avellone is gone, Obsidian is gone. Get a grip. I chuckled at the humorous comparison to communism and moved on. This thread is full of fags stuck in the past.
937661 No.14140693
The concept seemed cool like playing as an dark lord's minion and stuff like that, but I didn't pay attention beyond that. How much SJW shit does this game contains?
fb9519 No.14140713
>>14140654
funny how you are projecting again after getting caught, go back to samefag bumping your KOTOR thread
>>14140687
its very easy to spot your samefagging just like in your current KOTOR thread
b6dbc5 No.14140740
>>14140424
>Made up genre
Go back to the codex faggot.
4b8f1e No.14140765
d54a36 No.14140793
>>14140361
NV has too much player fetching quest and plot you don't care about. The open world itself was even worse than Fallout 3.
4b8f1e No.14140813
>>14140091
>If they have a failure state, yes. If not then no.
But that's just a meme, you faggot. Failure implies an unfixable break: with games, you are just thrown back a certain way. Only coinops had proper failure states, as you couldn't physically keep playing the game after losing (unless you paid for more).
b0368a No.14140815
>>14138815
Agreed Wasteland 2 had a lot of problems but was still better than Tyranny. Pausable real time combat is the fucking worst! There is no nostalgia for that horrendously outdated mechanic. Divinity’s turn based combat was surprisingly extremely fulfilling, larian put a lot of effort into it.
dab862 No.14140880
>>14139238
here's a better version of that pic
3fd962 No.14140949
>>14140386
>>14138948
>>14138819
>>14138818
>muh bait
>developer known for NWN2, Alpha Protocol, KOTOR2, Pillars of Eternity, Tyranny and a South Park game
He is absolutely right. Aside from KOTOR2 they are hardly remarkable and even that was arguably worse than Bioware's KOTOR. New Vegas is absolutely average and it gets more praise for its shitty story and characters rather than its gameplay which is shit tier shooting bundled with an empty desert.
4af2f4 No.14140973
>>14140361
What is it that makes New Vegas good and Fallout 3 not that good? I got the same amount of enjoyment from both of em, which is pretty average.
12f23c No.14140975
>>14140949
Whoa now buddy don't go forgetting the classic Dungeon Siege 3™.
d54a36 No.14141006
>>14140973
Shitty gunplay, less freedom and less customization than Elder Scrolls games. If Fallout 3 really was Oblivion with guns as many people pretended to be with the equal amount of sandbox gameplay, it would be a really fun game, but the truth is it's just watered down Oblivion with so much narrative shoved down your throat. NV gave a bit more freedom, but not much, and the level design is even worse.
9ea24a No.14141008
>>14140949
>arguably worse than Bioware's KOTOR
d1b032 No.14141010
>>14140740
Not saying it's a genre, just a convenient shorthand for the various games by the Ultima Underworld devs and their admirers.
3f237b No.14141022
>>14140523
Its not my fault you are fucking stupid and don't know shit
1329e6 No.14141055
>>14138812
this is right. there was a time where literally every single obsidian release was a buggy, fucked mess remember that the fan favorite new vegas didn't even fucking work on launch, and bethesda had to write a patch for it because obisdian couldn't fix it. they had some great ideas but can't figure out how to implement them into an actual videogame in a way that works
3f237b No.14141062
>>14140949
>even that was arguably worse than Bioware's KOTOR
brainlet
8d10d9 No.14141067
Tranny failed because it wasa SJW shitstain of a game. But Sirin she was a little sweetie and deserved all kinds of headpats, cakes and tea and maybe even handholding
12f23c No.14141075
>>14141067
Care to go into any detail on the SJW stuff? Could use a laugh.
fb9519 No.14141080
>>14141022
lmao you still are crying, took you three hours to find a post that wasnt deleted after his meltdown
95f367 No.14141082
>320,000+ copies sold
>failing
What fucking universe are they living in?
12f23c No.14141097
>>14141082
It was shown on stage at E3, though in a montage I think, so it wasn't exactly all that low key. Maybe Paradox were just too hopeful.
3f237b No.14141098
>>14141055
Bethesda did all q&a/bugtesting for it from the very beginning, I remember there being articles while NV was in development how Bethesda wanted to handle it personally, as Obsidian didn't have a good track record.
Not that Bethesda is any better at all, their fucking engine is utterly broken.
>>14141080
I have no idea what you're referring to
3fd962 No.14141105
>>14141008
Quoting someone and posting le funny brainless meme guy is not an argument.
b63482 No.14141117
>>14141105
quoting that kike wont fix your shit taste faggot
95f367 No.14141140
>>14141097
Sounds more like they had an overblown budget to me.
A game like this should be reeling in the money with over 300k sales, not be considered a failure.
e2ad1c No.14141181
>>14140391
They had their original IP's banned so they sign into tor to keep spewing their bulshit.
b50cbf No.14141207
>>14139773
This is a good post, we should meme it at sjwdevs now
da9280 No.14141227
>>14139761
Except that New Vegas was a massive success that sold many more copies than Fallout 3 did, that ZeniMax Media Inc. have a known track record of attempting hostile takeovers on every studio they "work with," that one of the ways in which ZeniMax had tried to sabotage Obsidian, the Metacritic meme, during the development of New Vegas has actually been publicly disclosed, to say nothing of highly suspicious matters of public knowledge like the game's development time cut, and that aside from being developed by a studio that had had so much of its talent shuffled out that it couldn't really be described as being the studio that made New Vegas, Tyranny wasn't crowd-funded.
df1a1e No.14141346
>>14140949
>new vegas is empty meme
Your head is empty cucklord.
e7bc6e No.14141371
>>14141346
It's a very empty game, you spend a good chunk of your playtime just walking across a copypasted desert.
df1a1e No.14141385
>>14141371
No, you don't, I've played it. Don't meme me faggot.
d54a36 No.14141428
>>14141385
NV isn't really empty in a literal sense. It's just the environments are badly cobbled together using generic Fallout 3 assets and dull. Fallout 3's environments in comparison are a lot more dense, partly due to the cityscape settings.
df1a1e No.14141480
>>14141428
>there was more copy pasted ruins so it was more dense
More dense isn't always better and if you didn't have ADHD you wouldn't need pointless storyless ruins every five feet to keep your interest. Bethesda fanboys should be permanently banned from this board. NV has plenty of content, you're just a faggot.
c9f57f No.14141492
>>14141480
>NV has plenty of content
How much of that is worth playing though?
d1b032 No.14141509
>>14141227
This. Bethesda is a corporate predator.
Also, let's not forget that the only reason NV was made using Oblivion With Guns assets was because Bethesda swooped in to outbid and kill Troika for the license from Interplay's corpse, forcing Troika refugees at Obsidian to sublicense their own game.
3f237b No.14141510
>>14141492
Most of it, especially compared to Fallout 3 and 4, where nothing is worthwhile.
c9f57f No.14141518
>>14141509
I'm glad Troika is dead.
f60bce No.14141529
This was a good thread to read through
df1a1e No.14141552
>>14141518
Good thing no one cares about the opinion of a tryhard edgelord desperate for attention.
95f367 No.14141559
>>14141552
>believe somebody to be baiting
>reply anyway
Good work, anon.
d54a36 No.14141577
>>14141480
I don't deny that NV has more content, it's just the level design was so bad. Fallout 3's buildings aren't storyless either. You got museums, schools, offices, military facilities, vaults with different experiments happened inside them, and most of them have pretty cool loot. Like the process of getting T51b and Xuanlong rifle, they involve non-linear and subtle exploration rather than simple objecitve fetching..
1acc3a No.14141582
>>14141552
They made three games and shut down due to poor management only a few years after opening their doors.
It's nobody's fault but their own that they couldn't get funding.
c9f57f No.14141584
>>14141582
Three broken buggy games.
4af2f4 No.14141592
>>14141552
>>14141480
>Being this mad over people not liking things you like
d1b032 No.14141600
>>14141584
Three broken buggy games that endure as some of the finest RPGs ever written
df1a1e No.14141606
>>14141592
>making pointed statements means you're mad
I guess the whole board is mad af all day then. Sometimes when you call someone a nigger it's just pointing out that they're acting like a nigger. Maybe grow up and try posting something other than smug faces. Good bait though, got me to reply.
95f367 No.14141608
>>14141600
>muh writing
I don't deny that the games have good writing, but they're lacking in the most important thing in a video game: the gameplay.
c9f57f No.14141614
>>14141600
Oh yes, who could forget such classics as "The Temple of Elemental Evil"
4af2f4 No.14141621
>>14141606
Anon, I think you're the one acting like a nigger in this thread
df1a1e No.14141629
>>14141621
>he came in to a thread about something he doesn't like to complain how he doesn't like it and how everyone who does is stupid
>implying that's not acting like a nigger
>being this mad over people liking things you don't like
d54a36 No.14141630
>>14141605
I don't prefer FO3 over NV, I think both have equal amount of strengths and flaws. Overall, I don't really like either of them. FO3 might be atmospheric and have some good quests, but it's Bethesda's weakest game, and NV fixed some of the problems with FO3's mechanics and broken narrative and as well added a few cool things, but they also took 2 steps back.
d1b032 No.14141634
>>14141608
By "writing", I meant the entire process of development; e.g. software is generally described as being "written".
>>14141614
>most loyal computerization of D&D3e aside from maybe Incursion or KotC
Yes, that's certainly unforgettable
d54a36 No.14141636
>>14141608
>gameplay
Says the guy who unironically likes NV.
c9f57f No.14141642
>>14141634
If you want to play D&D just go and do it, no need for a lame videogame.
95f367 No.14141650
>>14141630
>>14141636
Oh, I've never even played a Fallout game. I just wanted to use that image.
4af2f4 No.14141651
>>14141629
>he came in to a thread about something he doesn't like to complain how he doesn't like it and how everyone who does is stupid
I just read his posts and that doesn't really happen mate, it's just you sperging out at him calling NV bland
95f367 No.14141655
>>14141642
This, 100%.
There have been so many games trying to recapture the feeling you get from D&D while forgetting that D&D is a game heavily reliant on the fact there's an actual person controlling what goes on.
df1a1e No.14141665
>>14141651
>I just read his posts and that doesn't really happen mate
>he's talking about himself as though we don't have IDs
We have IDs here cuckchanner. Nice attempt at samefagging though.
d1b032 No.14141666
>>14141642
Both have their strengths, but a perfect replication of D&D's mechanics for vidya is sometimes a valid trade for the rigid railroading necessary in vidya.
Also, somebody needs to make a good VTT along the lines of NWN, instead of gay shit like Roll20
4af2f4 No.14141715
>>14141665
Wait what? Who are you even angry at here, I never said anything about people that like NV being stupid or anything, neither did d54a36. Are you blind anon?
df1a1e No.14141729
>>14141715
>d-dur, w-what?
Yeah, just play stupid, I'm sure that will get you out of what you just tried to do. Anon your first post in the thread is "I really don't get why everyone loves the shit out of it" about New Vegas. You came in to the thread upset that people like a game. Don't play dumb.
c78a7b No.14141733
>>14138812
RazorFag please kill yourself.
4af2f4 No.14141752
>>14141729
>Yeah, just play stupid, I'm sure that will get you out of what you just tried to do
You are the one that got confused, don't try to blame it on me nigger
>your first post in the thread is "I really don't get why everyone loves the shit out of it" about New Vegas
That's because I don't get it, it was average for me and seeing people like you defending it tooth and nail surprises me.
>You came in to the thread upset that people like a game
And how the hell did you come to that conclusion?
df1a1e No.14141770
>>14141752
>y-you're the one that got c-confused
Nice attempt to revise history but it was you who were telling me, while I was talking about you, that you "read his posts and that doesn't really happen". You sounded pretty fucking confused double nigger.
>And how the hell did you come to that conclusion?
Maybe I got it from how you don't bother replying to the people who actually replied to you and told you why they like the game and instead you're baiting like a bethesdakid with a personal grudge? You came in saying "you don't get why people like it", its a cuck way of saying "I don't like it this much, why do you fags like it?".
4af2f4 No.14141804
>>14141770
>while I was talking about you
>he came in to a thread about something he doesn't like to complain how he doesn't like it and how everyone who does is stupid
Anon, how was I supposed to know you were actually talking about me when I was talking to you about the other anon, and add to that the fact that none of my posts say anything remotely related to what you accused me for.
>Maybe I got it from how you don't bother replying to the people who actually replied to you and told you why they like the game
>1 single reply, and I replied to that post as well
Anon are you retarded?
df1a1e No.14141834
>>14141804
>how was I supposed to know you were actually talking about me
Because I was replying, in greentext, to you, newfag. Greentext is used to show what a person has done or said.
>none of my posts say anything remotely related to what you accused me of
see >>14140231 & >>14140973 You can play off that these posts are just innocent questions like a cuck all you want, but I'm not stupid enough to believe that anon. We're hitting DSP levels of denial.
>1 single reply, and I replied to that post as well
>>14141006 Funny, no reply here…
Honestly anon, this is getting really sad. You're getting btfo and I highly suggest you just walk away from the thread.
95f367 No.14141851
>>14141729
>>14141733
>>14141752
>>14141770
>>14141804
>>14141834
Enough threads on this site are derailed by two or three anons arguing at each other.
Nobody else cares, you should both quit your bitching because you're annoying everybody else.
df1a1e No.14141859
>>14141851
Honestly, I'm done, I think I've more than made my point. It's just sad people have nothing better to do than wander in to threads about things they don't like and bitch without even making solid points or arguments.
4af2f4 No.14141884
>>14141834
>All these assumptions
>Points out I didn't reply to someone when such person made his point and there was no need to engage in further discussion
I'm not following this bait around any longer, enjoy your last word and then move on autismo
e683d2 No.14142190
>>14140179
Gets better
>sales for Pillars of Boredom aren't that great
>sales for Tyranny are 1/3 of Pillars
>Swedes no longer want to publish Pillars 2
>run scam fig campaign
>numbers litterally jumping and decreasing with refreshes
>Versus Evil now publishing the game
There is no way in hell Fig is going to get their money back. In fact only 1 game that was fig funded seems to have made profit for the backers. Now Obsidian is making some game for Take Two whom realizes they've damaged their own branding with their kikery so bad that they're launching a new brand. The whole company is only kept afloat by Rockstar whom rumors say wants to break off.
67609c No.14142207
>>14138794
CRPGs would have a fanbase if they didn't all look and play like shitty 20 year old isometric DOS games with walls and walls and walls of depressing exposition.
219b11 No.14142236
>>14140089
I don't know, but I only found out in this thread that this was something made by Obsidian and not some faggot on RPG maker. I never even bothered to click on it to see more about it.
I stand by that decision.
86dd0a No.14142244
d1b032 No.14142282
>>14142207
>crpg grognards don't have to be your audience
If you want to play LARPy hiking sims or VNs, you can play those.
e683d2 No.14142286
>>14139093
Nope he left and what he was talking about on Twitter was what he talked about in the interviews. They locked him out of his accounts and won't delete them. He felt betrayed that after all the years of working with them that's how they acted.
He saw the ship was sinking and he jumped off it.
9dbf5f No.14142526
>bloated piece of shit flops despite selling 300k copies
Deserves it. Maybe next time they'll reduce their SOCJUS pandering despite you playing as a character serving under a literal tyrant.
fb9519 No.14142566
>>14142286
You again with your fanon?
96d70f No.14143113
>>14139020
The image is proof that anyone using the term "significant other" is a brainwashed freak and should be utterly avoided.
b3dfa0 No.14143178
I only saw the game on Steam and passed by it, because it didn't seem interesting. Looks like it is only rated PEGI 16, which gives me the impression they do not understand their customer base. The average CRPG gamer is older than the average gamer, which is in their 30s. At this point, they want mature storytelling. The genre is beyond pandering to kids and teenagers.
96d70f No.14143188
>>14141062
Both are fairly awful and forgettable.
Remember that these are supposed to be "the best" game writers.
Lucas arts beat them both without trying.
79a3c2 No.14143209
>>14141062
Obsidian is like a single peg above bioware. Both are cliche, boring and likely cherry picked observations. If your standards are "at least it isn't bioware" you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.
96d70f No.14143213
>>14141509
an interesting read.
a shame they have killed arkane, they weren't perfect but had a good mindset and wanted to make slightly different kinds of games.
61887d No.14143333
9dbf5f No.14143341
>>14143188
>Lucas arts beat them both without trying.
Thats because Lucas arts didn't have a Napoleon complex of trying to one up their more popular competitor. Most of their works were just standalone stuff and even the most rushed of their games was more finished than anything Obsidian put out.
a14bab No.14143348
>>14138794
Maybe if they didn't make shit games they might have success. Pillars of Eternity was such a fucking cringe flop that people probably didnt' even bother with Tyranny.
1f38f6 No.14143434
>be me
>be playing Divinity2
>didn't play the first one cus i could only main human characters
>spend like a week fucking around with the character creator before i even begin to play it
>enjoying the game but kinda sucking at it until i get used to the mechanics
>restart like 5 times in chapter one just to do it right
>finally finish it, but decide to restart again to do it better
>make it to chapter 2 and beat it
>notice that many quests are bugged and cannot be finished wich trigger the autistic completionist on me
>oh well, they'll patch it soon and i'm gonna replay this to see the story of the other characters after finishing this playthrough
>think to myself, maybe i could have done both chapter 1 and 2 better
>restart the game again
>i want to beat it but i can't help my autism and i keep restarting it every time
>i know i'll do the same shit once i beat chapter 3 because i can't fight my autism
>mfw
e85b71 No.14143690
>>14140199
Women burning is a good thing to bring back to current society. It would make for good public shows as well as put the surviving ones in their place.
9e430e No.14143946
>>14140199
The Middle Ages were also a time of long, poorly-written epics with no plots and genital mutilation. So, why exactly wouldn't feminists pine for those times?
973622 No.14143964
Biggest problem with Tyranny is that they made a huge deal about "hurr you shape the world's backstory" and all the 15 minutes or so of answers you give even before starting the fucking game properly amounts to a couple of dialogue lines changed. They also kept saying how you would play a villain but at most you can be a chaotic neutral dick.
b3dfa0 No.14143971
>>14140199
I enjoy CRPGs, but they don't seem worthwhile to play unless you can murder, rape, torture, maim, enslave, or prostitute NPCs.
d1b032 No.14144000
>>14143964
Never played Tranny, but is your description accurate? Fallout 1/2 allowed you to do every ludicrously evil thing imaginable to the entire region the game takes place in, just barely short of betraying your vault/tribe to join the villains in their genocidal scheme. Would you say the worst thing you can do in Tranny is tamer than those in the Fallouts where you're usually assumed to be playing a good goy?
f9927e No.14144042
How do I kill Braccus Rex in Divinity:Original Sin EE? The fucker one shots my entire party, all level 9s btw
973622 No.14144060
>>14144000
I played only through the first chapter but yes, from what I saw "evil" amounts to being smug to a couple of people from a faction making them dislike you a bit and the other two factions like you more, considering you're the high ranking officer of an evil dark lord shit is really tame compared to the evil deeds in for instance KotOR or Planescape.
28442d No.14144062
>>14144000
'checked
in Tyranny you are part of an army that conquered the land and is used to keep peace, what it comes to technically - after some boss battles you are given a choice between enslaving a village or burning it down.
Via dialogue.
With no cutscene or description of the act.
Just "oh hey you burned that village" or "oh hey you enslaved that village" in dialogue afterwords.
9dbf5f No.14144066
>>14144042
He only meteor showers as an opening attack. Use a fire elemental to trigger him and keep everyone in the party away from him. You can find a fire elemental spell book in the same area as him so just snoop around a bit and steal that if you don't have one already.
3790f9 No.14144081
Why is everyone calling it tranny?
Didn't even know there was a game called Tyranny and there's memenames. I'm getting old.
b3dfa0 No.14144082
>>14144000
>just barely short of betraying your vault/tribe to join the villains in their genocidal scheme
You could betray your vault in Fallout 1. You could disclose its location to NPCs, including the bad guys, who dip you into FEV and attack the vault.
d1b032 No.14144145
>>14144082
I know that, but it was basically a fancy game over. Cool touch, but not really a full on villain ending.
e272dc No.14144209
>>14144042
I just shot him with my gun tbh
b3dfa0 No.14144230
>>14144145
>save everyone in the wasteland and receive a shitty 30 second cutscene with a song about unrequited lesbian love
>sell out your vault and get an entertaining 2 minute ultraviolent cutscene
>a fancy game over
>not really a full on villain ending
You are delusional.
b3dfa0 No.14144449
>>14144145
Both endings in Fallout are bad endings. The only way to get a good ending is to affect the world and change the lives of those you encounter. The wasteland is a horrible place that can only be made better by someone like the vault dweller, as many of its inhabitants are weak, corrupt, or utterly demoralized. The good ending is seeing the impact you had and knowing that if you had not been there, nothing would have changed. The master ending erases everything that you have done, good or bad. This is why it feels empty. It is no better than getting a game over. This is true for any ending that does not factor in the player's choices.
535c52 No.14144745
>>14138794
>Obsidian
Fuck 'em, we don't need them.
We already know what RPGOTY 2018 and 2019 are going to be.
f30734 No.14145064
>>14143971
When was that ever a thing.
f9a9f8 No.14145079
None of the "LE TOTAL CREATIVE FREEDUMM" kikestarter RPGs were/are good. Not one.
94b428 No.14145563
>>14138794
A game doesn't have to be good to sell well, as your picture proves.
e85b71 No.14145734
>>14145563
That is why killing developers needs to be encouraged more.
9904fa No.14145751
>>14138794
cancer of the ego
12f23c No.14145765
>>14145751
The reverse is also true.
95f367 No.14148381
>>14143434
You can't main anything other than humans in Divinity 2, though. I don't remember the game being divided into chapters, either. I haven't played the game in years so I could be wrong.
55533b No.14148973
>>14140383
NV had good writing for an RPG but games writing is bad in general so it's not difficult to stand out. Gameplay-wise it was slightly improved in some areas and broken in others when you compare it to FO3. So kind of shit outside of the roleplaying elements.
95f367 No.14149025
>>14148973
I assume the issues come from the engine being from the fucking 90's. I've never played NV.
1acc3a No.14149031
>>14143434
What the hell are you talking about?
You can't play as non-humans in Divinity II. Are you talking about Divinity: Origin Sin 2? They're in the same series but they're different games.
641191 No.14149708
>>14144745
I kept running out of ammo in wasteland 2 and it would take my entire save to a halt. never got past ag-tech
e46a53 No.14149722
>>14144745
>Bard's Tale 4
>Wasteland 3
Now that I can look forward to.
86d9c2 No.14152683
>>14145563
Divinity OS 2 was goty. Sorry about your shit taste though
729069 No.14155086
>>14152683
But anon turn based combat is too hard for my brain!
234d65 No.14155217
>>14143213
They were dead the instant they were bought. No need to be sad anymore, it was a long time ago. There's a few screencaps floating around of former I.d devs talking about how horrible the corporate culture at bethesda is. Most devs who get bought in by bethesda leave soon after. It's why the bulk of their devs now are sjw college trained devs. It's also why Howard is probably so terrified to make the next Elder Scrolls. He has little to no talent left to use to help make the game. And they've probably already mentioned putting in gay representation, trans acceptance and lgbtq propaganda. I can only imagine Howards face when these sjw devs come up to him and ask about adding in the kind of shit the beyond skyrim modders put into their skyrim mod, with tranny argonians and shit.
ca6a68 No.14155218
Maybe they could write a few more waifus and less ugly bull dyke 'stronk womyn' characters.
ad2e96 No.14155266
well.. New vagas is a overrated paid-mod for fan puritans who won't let go, repconn? hubologists.
81ec58 No.14158926
>>14140369
To be honest, I think that Deus Ex isn't really a RPG, it deserves to be it's own genre kind of.
1f813b No.14166312
653718 No.14166337
>>14166332
Whats this guy's name again?
695e7d No.14166360
Its a niche market sure.
But so are JRPGs and VNs. Niche gamers are autists willing to spend money IF you make a good game. They are not /v/ pirates, whiners and poorfags.
248c5d No.14166609
>>14138794
Good, believe that. Not like video games attract anyone who can write worth a damn anymore.
b74eee No.14166621
>>14138794
As always they never see blame in themselves and their actions, only the environment and others. Never their fucking fault.
>>14166337
Territorial Rotbart?
8f66de No.14166735
>>14155217
The Toddler is a talentless, soulless hack. He'll do whatever his Jewish masters tell him to do. Everything he has made was garbage, he has no wish to create a good game and only gets by because normalfags are so stupid they mistake TES for a good franchise.
bf2ea5 No.14166839
>>14138902
>There's moments in New Vegas where you can go for hours without ever even fighting someone.
That's true. I just recently played Dead Money and had the 20+ minute conversation with Dog/God and realized that I was having a load of fun trying to pick the dude apart with dialogue, it kept my interest. When it concluded I realized that I had never played another game that even offers anything close to that.
fd66dc No.14167171
>>14141509
>This. Bethesda is a corporate predator.
3712cc No.14167822
>>14145064
Murder is very common and found in most CRPGs. Maiming is often used as a punishment that is a step below murder. Torture often takes the form of violence during interrogation. Many games allow selling NPCs into slavery. Prostitution is common. You must always play a lawful good character.
74748f No.14167925
And this is as JRPGs continue to flourish and evolve.
Good riddance to this dogshit genre, WRPGs are for people who don't have actual friends to play tabletop RPGs with, go make some like most other normal people instead of beating your dicks off to Chris Avellone or 2/3 decade year old games that'll never have even a door-opening chance at a genre or franchise revival. These threads are just a shittier version of /tg/.
Golarion>>>>>>any other WRPG story or setting I've played before. Most average GMs rise easily above against these veteran videogame writers in storytelling or creativity.
d1b032 No.14168082
>>14167925
Haven't the big mainstays of FF, DQ, & SMTPurseowner been auguring into the dirt lately? Or is that what you mean by "flourish and evolve" vis-à-vis doujinsoft quasi-VN panty-sniffing-sims?
f3565f No.14168219
>>14167925
>Golarion
>it's a Pathshitter talks shit about anyone else ever episode
Nice kitchen sink setting with tranny writers and tranny dwarves you got there. Clinging to the shittiest 3.5 retroclone to boot, confirming that people claiming that weebs have no taste are 200% right. Buy more splatbooks, you good goy, you!
d163ba No.14168312
The problem with Tyranny wasn't the game itself I would say. Tyranny wasn't a bad game, it just wasn't was great as Obsidian were expecting it to be.
If you look at the game it seems like a weird mashup of cRPG element without a real undertanding on how they work together.
Everything you do in the game feels sike a sidequest. You never feel like you are in a choherent world.
And that's the main problem. They obviously tried to create similar quests to old cRPGs but forgot that those only work when they are built up on a strong basis. Tyranny really lacks proper worldbuilding and a proper gameworld. You can see that the quest and story writers thought that their own contributions would have kept the game afloat if you just strung them together, but they didn't.
The game doesn't even haven an ending for fucks sake. They made a linear string of sidequests building up to something bigger and then completely dropped the ball on that.
The reason for that is probably because they thought that they had the next Baldurs gate on their hand, where the journey is much more interesting than the actual ending, but their game design is the complete opposite.
Then they did fuck all marketing for the game, believing it was such a masterpiece that it would sell on name and word of mouth alone, when it was a mediocre title or slightly above average title that would at least have sold decently if the word got out.
I personally saw nothing about this game except a banner ad when I was visiting the paradox forums for a completely unrelated game.
On the point on sjwshit ruining the game I can only partly agree. Sure there is one really annoying feminist character, but you can park her in the tower as soon as you aquire her and never interact with her and the rest of the themes of stronk wymyn isn't bad because they are decently written or nonconsequential. Even the fact that Kyras(the main villain) is female is nonconsequential because she isn't even in the game.
The real sjw tier shit that ruined the game was devs too high on their own fart huffing and believing they are doing stellar work when it's at best mediocre and that infusing their personal visions in the game, whatever they might be, is making up for lacking worldbuilding.
If you look at the game from that angle, it becomes an interesting case study of what's wrong with obsidian and studios like it which I find much more enganging than just laughing at them because they failed, although that's also justified
e85b71 No.14169449
>>14167925
Only truths. Japan creates anything. Some good, some bad. Western developers only create leftist propaganda and fail at everything that they try to do.
>>14168312
Stdio that hire animals such as women or niggers, or hire LGBT abominations.
That is the reason that they go to shit. It does not need any study.
f3e639 No.14169455
Tyranny would've been good if it had content
95b8f2 No.14169458
>>14167925
>an actual weeb
Wew lad, Its not like WRPG have been doing great but JRPG aren't even RPGs and are trash.
98518c No.14169473
>>14169455
I think the problem is Obsidian is incompetent.
Lads, I think we have a problem here and it's a company that's ridden on the good faith of the public for a long time. They had competent writers, but consistently poor technical staff, poor design staff, and all too often have we excused them as they've fallen back on good faith arguments of basic bitch mainstream indie scapegoats. "the publishers are against us!" they cried, as their scores hit 84 instead of the 85 they scored letting their bonus escape them. "but bethesda's games are just as worse, technically!" now now, this is true in its own right and bethesda has its own problems. It's true they're too cozy with journos but there is no denying the case study example here, new vegas was a technical disaster and required third party help to get the game they sold at launch running adequately.
When freed from the shackles of making same engine installments in the established franchises by others, they've squandered every opportunity. Each game a horrible let down, but built on the good faith of their fans, funded by them even, they've happily censored and ignored fans wishes. Released rushed, unfinished turds and the fans offered the same defense. Good faith has to have its limits, and Obsidian has proven time and time again that in the best possible circumstances with none of their scapegoats, they've produced lackluster products.
We need to deal with the Obsidian Question.
>>14169458
quiet goon, go back to codex.
df1a1e No.14169480
>>14167925
>And this is as JRPGs continue to flourish and evolve.
12f23c No.14169481
>>14169473
In short, they whined too much in a show of weakness and were devoured from the inside by SJW parasites. These fuckers smell blood better than sharks.
95b8f2 No.14169489
>>14169473
>if he doesn't gobble everything japan shits out he is a goon
Nice try faggot. Learn what a goon is.
98518c No.14169497
>>14169489
>make goon posts, get called a goon, cry about it
goon
>>14169481
it's more complicated than that. I think they continued to promise greatness, failed to deliver at every turn, and had the exact same issues every time. It's time to cut them out of their safety net and see how well they swim.
95b8f2 No.14169525
>>14169497
>no u
No point in reasoning with dense retards like you.
5ccb44 No.14169566
I played Tyranny, and it was honestly good. The only real complaint I had about it was that it obviously ends with such sequel bait. And the DLC they released later on for it is just retarded. You never release DLC for RPGs that take place during the campaign players has already gone through, you always do sequel (never prequel because nobody wants to play a different character)
It had good characters albeit shallow, but they were meant to represent their respective factions more than anything. And a lot of actual choices and consequences to actions you'd not reflect upon until they actually happened. Although, the setup for all of this was poor because you're immediately thrown into the conflict between the two factions, rather than being allowed to try and mend the rift between them (and fail if you have to).
I'm going to sit on my savefile, and hope that they one day release the sequel, and that it gets the treatment those few of us who played it want, and not the treatment Obsidian thinks SJW's want it to have.
d8fecd No.14169616
>>14169458
>Wew lad, Its not like WRPG have been doing great but JRPG aren't even RPGs and are trash.
The biggest issue of JRPGs is that most of them insist on using the shittiest combat system known to mankind – "attack button, skill button, skill button, for bosses also use item button, repeat the same sequence 6 gorillion times" it's fucking anti-fun, especially when they pair it with their bizarre love of grinding, because it's so much fun to defeat the exact same enemy in the exact same place 50 fucking times using the exact same sequence of commands. To date, I think the only game that managed to make this shit actually enjoyable was Sengoku Rance, and it required a fucking paradigm shift of turning the game into a strategy.
They also tend to be linear as fuck and posses awful writing, which they usually try to make up for with waifubait
d8fecd No.14169635
>>14169566
<I played Tyranny, and it was honestly good
>awful combat
>awful writing
>awful setting (yeah, you serve an evil overlord! But practically everyone you meet admits shit's better under the overlord than before, except for a faction of radical female supremacists)
>everything oozes agenda by the gallons
>two factions – the generic army and the batshit insane meme army
your taste is worse than shit.
5ccb44 No.14169753
>>14169635
>except for a faction of radical female supremacist
Did you even play the game?
There are at least five factions in the game that are adamantly against Kyros' rule, all with varying reasons. And there are loads within the scarlet chorus and the disfavored that are very much displeased with how things are going, even without the conflict between them.
So, did you actually play the game?
If so, when will you be visiting your local doctor for a cognitive test, because you would have to be dreg to miss out even such in-your-face deets.
>The generic army
How the fuck are the disfavored generic? They are a traditional forces handpicked by their leader, mostly because he's somewhat of a supremacist, believing the people of his origins are the strongest. And he was once Kyros's greatest enemy, but now turned lapdog, so he's battling with his ill will for his overlord while upholding his honor. And this isn't even going into detail about the resources and their views on death and fatherhood.
>batshit insane meme army
Only it's completely the opposite. The Scarlet Chorus is meritocracy taken to the extreme, to a point that it now looks pseudo-anarcho. They are anything but insane, except maybe their leader because of plot deets I shan't go into. But all the ones that were forcibly initiated and has thrived within it voices that they're glad they are where they are now, in spite of the brutal initation rites.
>awful writing
Anything must be awful writing when you've the cognitive ability of a french bulldog.
>everything oozes agenda by the gallons
And yet you cannot even point out a single agenda. Or something that could be remotely interpretated as one.
>awful combat
Objectively wrong. Combat is fine. But some encounters are repetitive. Encounter design =/= Combat design
And here, a (you).
9e430e No.14169779
>>14169616
>replying to a one-sentence post with a quote of said entire post
d8fecd No.14169792
>>14169753
>Did you even play the game?
yes, dropped it after chapter 1 due to how terrible it was.
>How the fuck are the disfavored generic?
>a disciplined army with main general playing a daddy figure, all about muh honor
how is it not generic?
>They are anything but insane
Yeah, all those members talking about how they skinned people alive for no reason, realising they like it, are the pinnacle of rational thought.
>And yet you cannot even point out a single agenda.
>literally everything is gender balanced to the extreme
>literal quest to help a soldier find a manwhore
>overlord is some otherkin bullshit without gender because otherwise it'd ruin their gender balance
uh-huh
>Combat is fine.
It's one of the worst combat systems I'Ve ever encountered. I'd dissect it in depth, but it's been a while, sadly, so I don't remember the details.
Were you even in the threads this piece of shit had on release, or were you still spending your days on reddit at the time? The game was discussed to death back then, showing what a terrible chunk of waste it is.
5ccb44 No.14169893
>>14169792
>chapter 1 is literally 30 minutes long
>dropped
Opinion invalidated.
>a disciplined army with main general playing a daddy figure, all about muh honor
Oversimplying makes everything generic.
>Yeah, all those members talking about how they skinned people alive for no reason
Oh yeah, truly no reason at all, it's not as if they're in wartimes or anything, or the culture they're in forces them to make them appear willing to do anything do remain in their position in their hierarchy (and thus alive)
>literally everything is gender balanced to the extreme
>male on female rape in the game
>no female on male rape in the game
>gender balanced
>overlord is some otherkin bullshit without gender because otherwise it'd ruin their gender balance
This is retarded. Point of the discussion in the game was to point out that nobody knows what Kyros looks like, that he or she is a mastermind pulling the strings without revealing themselves to the public.
As would anyone who is conquering the world by force do, to reduce assassination attempts and what not.
Stop reading too much into it, you're literally poisoned by the anti-sjw well.
>one of the worst combat systems
>i would dissect it in depths, but I don't know anything about it
Was I even in the threads around the time of release? I was playing video games, which you obviously dont.
12f23c No.14169975
Uh oh, watch out. The goon's trying to tell us we don't play video games. That didn't work that last million times your shitty game flopped so what makes you think it's gonna work now?
f19c7d No.14175213
Well it's true. Who the fuck wants to play westernshit diversity RPGs?
a75842 No.14175273
I'd like to know, is Lords of Xulima a decent cRPG?
does it even count as a crpg?
5305e6 No.14175621
>>14140231
The one single greatest reason that Bethesda games, and by extension NV by Obsidian, are so controversial on this site is because there is one camp that judges the game with mods, and another that judges it without. Without mods all of their games are unquestionably steaming piles of shit. Even /v/'s darling Morrowind is hilariously broken without community patches. The conflict always comes when someone points this out, and another person gets really offended because they've put 1200 hours into their perfectly modded install and they think its the greatest game ever.
I'm one of those people but I do have some awareness that it's my own work making plugins and importing others that has made the game great, and not the company itself.
f3e639 No.14175721
>>14169473
Oh I'm not defending them, I think it had a strong beginning and real potential and they squandered it all. Hell they even released content that should've been in the base game as a "cheap" dlc to restore the cut content. I haven't touched it with th e expansion, but I doubt I'd be willing to pay $40 or whatever they were asking for the base game for all of the content released so far. It's essentially popcorn, no real substance there.
12f23c No.14175724
>>14175621
Could you imagine the whole mod mentality anywhere else? You don't see people praise Lucas for the fan edits or junkyards with shrines to Henry Ford. It's fucking stupid.
13dcca No.14179556
>>14139052
the viking game was neat
dd4665 No.14181965
>>14138794
Is this the same obsidian hating autistic spammer that halfchan has?