/v/ - Video Games

>>14112148

The three you listed are correct, but there are two more.

>Hitscan

>Beams

>>14112208

Beams? Hitscans? Wouldn't those be classifications of projectile-functions along with Ballistics?

>>14112215

A beam is like a projectile mixed with a hitscan. The beam goes from you or your gun to the closest obstruction. Typically, a beam stays in place as long as you're holding down the fire button. Laser weapons are typically beams in most games.

Hitscan is a bit complicated. It's just a way for the game to determine if your attack will hit. It can do two things: hit the target or not. Sometimes they're connected to projectiles, but traditionally they're not. Further, some games take the hitscan and complicate it so that it resembles a projectile.

>>14112148

>rocket launchers

>skill tube

>tricky to use

ask me how you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about

>>14112330

>projectile

>hitscan

pick one, you can't have both

a beam weapon is just a hitscan weapon that doesn't pulse

>>14115023

What about weapons like the secondary fire for the Link Gun from Unreal? It fires in a straight line like a hitscan, but has velocity like a projectile.

if i can throw a grenade and shoot it, it's good enough for me

>>14115093

I assumed we were talking about the lightning or gluon gun. If it operates like a projectile I think it would inherently not be hit scan

>>14115164

No, it's not like Ghostbusters. It's like the laser bolts in the Star Wars movies, where they have a constant velocity rather than a fluctuating velocity like a projectile.

>>14115202

you're confusing projectile with bullet

any object that is moving through space at any velocity is a projectile

but not every projectile is a bullet

hitscan implies that it as you click the mouse it scans the area under your cursor to see if there's something that could be hit that is being hit

if something is a projectile in space it's not operating like this

therefor any "projectile" moving through space is not "hitscan" inherently

>>14115156

Technically everything is a melee weapon, since it involves an object hitting someone.

>>14115156

That's not what projectile means.

Is there any game that does bombs only?

Aside from bomberman?

>>14115156

I thought this at first too but projectile weapons fire projectiles from a weapon held in one's hand while explosives have a blast radius that the user, usually, needs to stay away from. They don't necessarily need fragments, either, as they can also be, for example, caustic liquids or plasmas. Although explosives have some overlap with projectiles in some of their substrata: they can also be traps (like mines), or even melee weapons.

>>14115023

Rocket Launchers and M203's are also projectile weapons anyway (although noob tubes from COD4 aren't as fun because they don't arm until they've traveled a fair distance so that removes the risk-of-harming-yourself factor that makes explosives so delightful to use in addition to the cathartically high damage they have). I was thinking more like Bomb Man's power from Mega Man 1.

>>14115292

A thrown projectile is still a projectile I would think

I think explosives in a lot of games are in a lot of ways projectile-hitscan hybrids

Usually the "explosion" at the end operates in a hitscan sort of way in a radius around the "projectile"

I'm not really sure there are too many games where the actual explosion tracks the individual fragmentations that are implied

>>14115341

When I say rocket launcher I think quake rocket launcher

A lot of people consider the weapon kind of low skill or at least a skill equalizer

>>14115377

projectile-hitscan hybrids… I never really thought of them that way. I'd really like to hear a programmer's opinion on how the behavior of explosives in video games are coded.

>>14112249

>found the singularity bombs

>run to oldman parker

>go into his cuckshed

>plant 10 singularity bombs

>get sucked up into shitstorm trying to run out of his cuckshed

>parker still sitting there

>first singularity bomb blows up and blows up all of the ones set

>parker still just sitting repeating the same 4 lines over and over

>explosion sends me into the nearest mohole

>>14115270

Back in the day we used to run Goldeneye matches with nothing but mines. Really let the guys who were good at strategy shine, because you can't just shoot someone who goes by. The best that can be managed is to toss a remote mine at them and detonate it, but they might just run away, which of course if you can corral them toward the proximity mines you laid earlier…

>>14115023

RPG 7 rockets in farcry 2 has limited fuel and doesn't self detonate at the range limit like the irl version of it so you could use it as a mortar as well. Not to mention the genius that is the chink mortar they have in that game. It takes some practice to get the timing and ranging right but after that, you're the master of ambushing convoys and outpost from a high place where the enemy AI don't even know where to go to retaliate.

>>14117483

lol dummy

>>14115270

Silent Bomber. You can "shoot" bombs too, but dropping them is a big part of the gameplay.

I am always delighted to get my hands on an RPG-7 in games. It's like a bazooka dressed as an AK-47; the best of both worlds.

Embed related is a comparison of the weapon in 30 different games and, what a surprise, it's a piece of dogshit in MW3.

>>14133373

I'm kinda miffed that it's always only available with the HEAT warheads, instead of the Thermobaric or Fragmentation warheads that are actually used in an anti-personnel role.

>>14115023

If the game in particular, the blast radius is enormous, rocket is fast, and the player is slow, then the projectile/rocket doesn't involve much skill.

If the game in particular, the blast radius is small, rocket is slow, and the player is fast, then the projectile/rocket is a "harder" weapon to use.

WAIT.

What if you have a gun fires fists that punch you and then explode?

>>14145454

Why would you want a gun that punches yourself?

>>14112768

Car bombing people in BF2 was always fun too. Fuck you EA, you'll get yours.

>>14140666

Every time I play a newer fallout game I always go fists and explosives. Grenades are everywhere and can be thrown around corners and over barriers to give a huge tactical advantage and are fucking hilarous while fists have never let me down. Not carrying guns (which sell for fuck all anyway) means I can carry more grenades and fists have infinite ammo plus are weightless.

>>14115270

B-bomb jack?

MGSV had good explosives.

>Sneaking around an enemy camp planting C4 on the generators, comm equipment and comm dishes and blowing it up on your way out.

>Ambushing convoys with magnet mines (stuns personnel inside and immobilizes vehicle) so you can steal a tank or two with the upgraded fultons

>Single-launch Multi-warhead rocket launcher.

>>14115500

If I had to implement explosions in a 3D system, how I'd do it would depend on what kind of system was already there. Take minecraft, a voxel game- in its case, you want to destroy all blocks in a sphere of a certain radius, so you already need to code in a distance-from-explosion-centre based 'damage' effect. If you have that, it would be very convenient to extend that to entities. Conversely, if the game already has an efficient and extensive particle system and immutable environments (some kind of fps that's not just hitscan) it can be fine to just have an explosion be a visual effect that emits a shower of invisible bullets in all directions that vanish after a certain amount of time. Given bullets bounce off walls, this means you can hide from explosions behind cover. It works well for destructible cover, too- if 10 bullets were going to hit you, but 5 are used up to break the box you're hiding behind, you get the explosion-like effect of being partially protected. Of course, if your game engine can't handle lots of bullets or doesn't even have many 'bullet'objects (say all the guns are hitscan and the only moving projectiles are, say, rockets) the work you'd need to do to basically add a bullet system from scratch would make it more efficient to just use the earlier inverse-square-distance-from-explosion-centre system and hack in any additional functionality you need.

TL;DR: Depends what your engine can and has to do.

No, most guns aren't projectile based, but hitscan based.

Get your shit together, fag.

Also, what about an area of effect weapon that is not explosive per se, like a flamethrower, or poison gas?

>>14151318

>>14151330

In this context, if your weapon fires a projectile to kill an enemy from a distance and you don't have to get close to him to swing the weapon at his body: it's a projectile weapon whether it uses hitscans or not. Stop being autistic.

Also: flamethrowers are projectile weapons because they shoot projectiles and poison gas in explosive as well because it has an area of effect and you can't get too close to it without taking damage (unless you have a gas mask or something).