/v/ - Video Games

>one worth a try

>Not necessarily the best, but one worth a try.

>EDF Wing Diver mediocre SHMUP instead of EDF 5

>>14068010

>Cucksona

Fatlus faggots need to be fucking gassed

>>14068012

>Cucksona

I think they you should put Skyrim on there. I know it wasn't released this year, but it's still so great it should be included.

>>14068032

>Persona after 2

>>14067847

"Put JRPGs and SHMUPs into a separate category" autist is here.

Did first part of the list shrink? Like I don't see much of the described things if any jrpgs in there.

Next steps of improvement for that list is finding a reasonable antiplatformer autist or people that have actually tried some of these games and have found them complete garbage. For example, one of my friends (who is really into zelda like games) tried ever oasis and found it to be shit and grindy.

Arranging and sorting games in general would help too.

>brigador

It's gameplay is boring as fuck and the update did literally nothing to fix this.

>>14068135

>I don't see much of the described things if any jrpgs in there.

Good, JRPGs are fucking garbage

>>14068144

>JRPGs are fucking garbage

I don't think so, I think that JRPG and SHMUP markets are oversaturated to the point where even fans of the genre have trouble getting their hands on outstanding games and then spreading the message about them. Platformers do too fall in the same category, but they can't use muh story as an excuse and they aren't as constrained as shmups, so they actually have to try something new.

>>14068173

> I don't like some of the games on the list like Ys Seven and Ruiner

My argument isn't of personal preference. Like, there are reasons to like brigador, but if the main consensus here is that gameplay 1st everything else 2nd, then placing a gameplaywise shitty game in a worth a try, without any indication of it's peculiarity, is kinda stupid too.

>>14068207

I'd argue for a genre sort. OP could make an alphabetically sorted text version of the list instead.

>>14068304

But SRPG market is oversaturated too (it's probably the largest subgenre of jrpgs). Sure, if you go on a smaller scale and focus on the subgenre it would be easier to find great games, but then you are ignoring the possibility of there being deep games that diverge from standard JRPG formula and go into an obscure subgenre that you simply just wouldn't encounter, because it's out of your scope.

>>14068323

>The gameplay itself is quite polished

What about scoring system, shop/economy, stage recycling, overly simplistic campaign? If the only scale brigador is perfect on is tech demo scale then sure I'll be fine with that as long as other tech demos are included.

And tell me, does YS or Ruiner suffer as much from gameplay design drawbacks as brigador does?

>There's a lot of one-off genre representations

Then pile them up or take more broad genres. The point of sorting by genre is looking for overinflated ones and scaling them down to the games that are actually worth trying out.

>>14067847

How do you fit so much shit taste in one image?

>>14068762

>Sammy.jpg

What?

>>14068570

>No

Do you see the implications? It implies that you understand that there are gameplay design flaws ("gameplay design"), that they affect core gameplay, ignoring the scale, ("gameplay drawbacks") and that generally you assume brigador to be a worse game ("do x suffer from gameplay drawbacks more").

>They're not varied in the sense of atmosphere or throwing a new gimmick/hazard at you every turn, so it's hard to tell one apart from the other.

You see, I didn't mention stage variety, I've said stage recycling. Like, literally taking the stage and using it again to extend the playtime. So yeah, if you are also stating that they aren't varied, well, that only makes things worse, doesn't it?

> I'd very much also like to see a scoring system and more of this and more of that, but a lack of bells and whistles isn't something I think brings a game down.

Scoring system isn't bells and whistles. Scoring system was one of the main core gameplay mechanics that made the gameplay meaningful. If the game doesn't present good goals it brings the game down drastically.

>might be into combat sandboxes all that much.

Problem is, brigador's customization isn't good enough to make it a combat simulator sandbox and the playground itself doesn't have sand that you could build something from. So it's not a sandbox, it's a playground, a tech demo. You pick the difficulty, pick the mech and preset set of stages you want to play through. That's it.

And it's not even an underdeveloped concept. There are tons of EA games currently in the making, there were tons of indie games in the past, and even not indies have done it better. Pretty much any strategy with a map editor and scripts (or anything with in-depth editor). Or if we need something closer - Carnage heart.

>threads about it pop up here every now and then

I don't expect people to have as much (or the same) experience with vidya as I do, they probably are new to the concept of a playground and ingame unlocks, and artstyle took them by surprise. But if you are familiar with these concepts brigador doesn't bring anything new to the table of videogames, it's alchemy doesn't provide an unique enough result to reserve it a slot in history. As is, it's just bad or average at best and average isn't worth a try.

>I guess it's also the kind of game you play in short bursts for its action.

It's not an excuse. Just compare it to any other game that you'd consider be fitting the same category and you'll see why.

>actual reasons

>maybe it's just not for you?

Do you understand that this is a contradiction? And yes, that's me that pops up every now and then.

>I'm already halfway through sorting all the pictures

Well, tough luck champ, do it properly. Also, you are 100% guaranteed to remake this picture pretty much from scratch and rearrange everything several times with entries being added or excluded from the list.

>I can place a genre label

Good idea, but how would you implement it. Because it's a tag system, and some games require several of them.

Released this month, but still $CURRENT_YEAR so it counts.

>>14067941

>not necessarily the best

Buddy that was a better metroid game than the actual metroid game this year. Not to say samus returns was awful but Mummy Demastered certainly is a more fun experience.

>>14069702

Fusion is hand holdy but it still stands as a good entry point to the franchise if your willing to cope with that games slightly higher difficulty. Samus Returns is similar in terms of larger damage values and focus on quick room to room movement. But the damage values are under cut by a checkpoint system making boss fights into less punishing endeavors, and Samus Returns doesnt really do much within its confines of its linear design. Like fusion was linear but there was a lot of stuff you had to figure out and objectives were pointed out but you never were really told specifically the route to get there and things would often block you from a simple route. Samus Returns doesnt point out objectives, but the level layouts naturally curve you into a linear path then set you out in the area to find the metroids. AM2R and Fusion to a degree also encouraged advanced movement like wall jumping and bomb jumping while Samus Returns has a very confusing relationship with advanced movement. Like power bomb jumping is a really neat idea but its never really told to the player even subtly and the game has wall jumping and bomb jumping but the level design is plastered with enviromental blocks that will say no to progressing out of order. The weird thing is Mummy demastered commits similar sins but Mummy has a greater focus on combat and progression. Samus Returns also features the 360 aiming controls and I want whoever designed that to burn. Its a pace breaker, and oddly later bosses like ridley will punish you for using it.

Looks like a pretty solid list, better than the last few times you've posted it, and I'm glad to see a few suggestions put on there. Why the labeled rows and columns? You'd usually see that on a recommendation chart like this that lists titles to the side, but you always choose banners with the titles clearly legible.

>>14069977

Doesn't help that in the last couple years he's started moving towards more formal reviews instead of joke videos, even though he doesn't have anything insightful or informed to say.

>>14068135

>gameplay is boring as fuck

Objectively false, the core gameplay (movement, combat, environmental interaction) in Brigador is immaculate. I've played a lot of Isometric/Top Down shooters and I'd be hard pressed to name many that would best Brigador by a significant margin when it comes to pure gameplay. It certainly does have a dirth of content however. I'm hoping there's a relatively large amount of community maps made once they release the mapping tool as playing through freelance with a random lineup of 100 or so maps would be fucking perfect.

>>14068446

>>14068881

>scoring system

>shop/economy

These aren't gameplay, they're gamification, quit conflating the two. It's just a trick that tickles your brain's reward centers, which is why MMOs have it up to the eyeballs. It's certainly a bonus to have these systems if they don't go overboard, as they can draw out the appeal of a game by having cool shit you need to earn over time, and creating a sense of progression. But stating that the lack of gamification is a detriment to "gameplay" is a misnomer, on top of being a misplacement of priorities. I will concede however that since they were implemented in Brigador, they could have been thought out better. The economic system does little besides limiting your access to weapons and vehicles so you don't have the entire arsenal thrown at you off the bat. And the scoring system is basically just a measure of how much stuff you destroyed, the only exception being the bonus for not triggering any alarms.

>>14067847

>>14068783

Even animefags think your list is cancerous. Think about that, nigger.

>>14067847

> Remasters

updated, resorted everything alphabetically and added genre tags, omitted some entries, will finish tomorrow

>>14068881

>Do you see the implications?

No, as in, they're worse. They don't suffer as much, but they're worse

>So yeah, if you are also stating that they aren't varied

Only variety in the layman's sense of the word. The kind of variety which is obvious rather than subtle. Brigador doesn't rely much on new elements every step of the way or gimmicks, but is more similar to FEAR or beat 'em ups where enemy arrangement/AI is what's important the most and physical obstacles exist for you to take advantage of or be disadvantaged by.

>There are tons of EA games currently in the making, there were tons of indie games in the past, and even not indies have done it better

I haven't played any games similar to Brigador unless you really broaden the search terms, so I wouldn't know what game would do what exactly better.

It's been a while since I played Brigador so I need to refresh my opinion on it, though from what I understand your gripe lies with the game giving you no compelling reason to play (unlocks, scores) past 'completion' (besides its Freelance mode where you can challenge your own wits), rather than the game itself being poorly designed or unfun to play. There could be more stuff to encourage you to progress towards something, but from what I've seen most people just play it for the fun factor. It's probably what attracts people to games like Symphony of the Night, which I don't really like, but people invent all kinds of crazy challenge runs for it given the amount of content in the game. I do agree games themselves should encourage these kind of challenges from the outset rather than throwing all this unbalanced shit here and expecting the player to do whatever, and the former is in part what Freelance mode does as that is the meat of the game. It could have expanded the idea of challenge runs more, but in the end it varies from player to player how far they'll really push a game. Maybe for a one credit clear, the highscore, some kind of unlockable, or just for the fun of it.

Several of the (niche gaming) forums I frequent say the game is fairly monocled, and one guy in particular I know shills it whenever he can. The game sits at Overwhelmingly Positive on Steam, and if you'd ask me, more people are bound to walk away liking it than hating it.

>>14070326

What about it?

>Senko no Ronde 2

My nigga

>>14070514

Your list looks far less shit than it did last time. Good job.

Pic related just got a translation earlier this month. I won't play JRPGs, but maybe it's good I don't know.

>>14067847

>just realized there are no Sanctus Reach in that list

Fuck, that's one of the best warhammer games in years, and it was released this year.

>>14074273

zoom in

>>14074289

Good job faggot, you got me

does anyone have the pics for the previous years for rec games?

>>14075672

>>14067847

>no darkest dungeon AGAIN

Put Crimson Court up on there

>>14067847

>Super Famicom Wars Translation

Fucking A man.. great shit, sad we never got it here Stateside till Advance series

>>14072889

>nominating the nog inclusive title with garbage, disproportionate graphics and disgusting wannabe main characters made by some nobodies with kikestarter

>instead of the next actual official installment in the series which is infinitely better and was released in the west last month

Just fuck off already.

>The body was too long.

>>14070277

>These aren't gameplay, they're gamification

Do you listen to what you are saying?

>"Gamification is the application of game-design elements and game principles in non-game contexts"

So without those elements we could consider brigador a glorified tech-demo. Great, that's what I was arguing for.

>I've played a lot of Isometric/Top Down shooters and I'd be hard pressed to name many that would best Brigador by a significant margin when it comes to pure gameplay.

You didn't play many good ones, did you?

>old crimsonland

>AS/ZS franchise

>Alien Swarm

>HlM1&2

>GTA2

>Neon chrome

>Survival crisis z

fucking

>shadowgrounds

is better, and no one even cares about shadowgrounds.

Even Helldivers beats it, but only by slight margin.

It's close to a Seal hunter, Beat hazard and a cottage of doom in a sense that is so small and directionless and is barely a game.

>the core gameplay (movement, combat, environmental interaction)

Sure, if you narrow your view so much that you don't see every other gameplay element or dismiss them by saying they are gamifications which is retarded as fuck, since it's purpose is creating gameplay where there was none. I've never said that there are no good elements in the game, they just can't make the game good if the application of those elements is extremely flawed or nonexistent.

>I'm hoping there's a relatively large amount of community maps

What's even the point of having different maps if you only have 3 objectives (which ultimately are the same, unlike for example carmageddon that uses similar concept that offers much much more variety and you know what made new carmageddon mediocre? shitty stages and lack of substance in any of the gamemodes, the same as, I don't know, what game are we talking about right now?) with procedurally generated enemy placements?

I'll however concede the point of there being a possibility that a simplistic mapping tool with an ability to place specific enemies could make it more interesting than the base game, but not so much without any kind of scripting or without as of a basic concept as an enemy spawner.

And that's leaving out going into detail how shop and scoring are completely retarded systems as they are right now.

>>14075895

DD is shit but at least it's a game.

>>14070514

>is more similar to … where … is what's important the most and physical obstacles exist for you to take advantage of or be disadvantaged by.

Name me exact stages from the top of your head that favor one body type mech over the other, and there shouldn't be a situation where the third one would do both better or on par.

>I haven't played any games similar to Brigador unless you really broaden the search terms, so I wouldn't know what game would do what exactly better.

>"I don't understand by which terms you are making this argument."

>>might be into combat sandboxes all that much.

>>brigador's customization isn't good enough to make it a combat simulator sandbox

I don't know what to say when you can't follow your own argument that I'm replying to.

>I understand your gripe lies with the game giving you no compelling reason to play (unlocks, scores) past 'completion'

No, my gripe with the game is that it's too simplistic. Campaign is mini-stages training/challenge mode which you would play when you have nothing better to do and freelance suffers from gameplay being simplistic as fuck without counting in that same samey stages get reused. To top it off, past initial first impression the game lacks personality and focus, to the point where argument for defending is that it's a "combat sandbox", you make your own fun. No, it's a bad game and especially it's a bad combat sandbox.

Sure I have no problem with player controls and tools that are available to the player. But if there is nothing interesting to use them on, if there are no distinct interesting challenging problems that game could give you to solve - there is no point in having said perfect tools. There is no pacing in either of the modes and due to game being simplistic and lacking content it deflates in a matter of hours, it's a game design problem flat and simple.

>Maybe for a one credit clear

Later freelance campaigns sets of stages are literally one credit clears.

>the highscore

Scoring is too garbage for creating any meaningful comparison of performance, and even then there are no online leaderboards.

>or just for the fun of it

I'll only accept this argument if the person in question likes the game for it's strengths, like artstyle and maybe lore, which in combination with tight player controls makes up for the complete lack of things to apply them to. Otherwise every multiplayer game no matter how bad it is is great, because everything is fun with friends.

>if you'd ask me, more people are bound to walk away liking it than hating it.

>The game sits at Overwhelmingly Positive on Steam

Normal people enjoy the game because they don't know better gameplay and visually the game is impressive.

/V/ absolutely adores wasted potential like VC and Resonance of fate, so it isn't surprising that brigador is liked here.

And you know what is better than brigador in terms of steam reviews? E-sports attempt 6:siege 3 year pass. Has almost twice as many reviews and has 2.5 times as much less negative reviews. Doesn't make it less cancer though.

Thus it's not an argument to how objectively good the game is.

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