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Why do my inserters sometimes refuse to grab whatever item on the conveyor belt? They got electricity going through and everything.

>>14066803

Because it's not the item they need. They don't grab it unless they can insert it.

>>14066597

>bobs mods

<HO BOY DO I SURE ENJOY HAVING 6 MILLION USELESS INTERMEDIATE RECPIES TO CRAFT

>>14066815

To clarify the item is on a conveyor belt, and the inserter suppose to feed it inside the assembly machine. There is no output chest, but another inserter suppose to grab the products as theyre being made. Then some times later they just refuse to add that last item in, so when I manually drop them in they produce about 3 items then stop feeding that same last item again.

>>14067212

Our lord and savior Main Bus provides salvation from the Devil and his Spaghettification.

In short, it organizes most of your production lines. You put the main items that go into basically most recipes. Each main bus is different, some people put gears on their bus now too with the increase gear usage over the last couple patches.

robots > belts

Main bus is for poorfag.

>>14067621

Burn the coal, pay the toll.

Use solid fuel from infinite 1% wells to supplement your nuclear. You do use nuclear power, right? Four generators right next to each other for that efficiency bonus.

>>14067627

>Relying on green energy

Get the fuck out of here you god damn hippie.

>>14067212

Main bus for everything is a crutch. I like using a thin main bus for basically all sorts of factory construction items I want a modest stockpile of, like assemblers, inserters, lamps and such, and automate absolutely everything I might need at a time. That's where it has its place. But putting everything, including science on a main bus is asking for a neverending story of supply shortages somewhere because you're overproducing some random thing. Even belts should be automated separately once you start to deploy red or blue belts in large numbers.

>>14067601

And you're a special sort of scum.

>>14067772

>uranium

>not green

you need to get your eyes checked

>>14067657

I have no idea but I just looked up "nuclear shitstorm" in an attempt to acquire some kind of meme and got embed related. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Either way, nuclear is delicious but I also want a boiler that runs on petroleum gas.

>>14068436

>>14067627

muh UPS

I recently bought this game, where do I get started?

>>14070220

Steam, because I don't have a credit card

NAPALM STICKS TO BITERS!

We burn the sick, the young the lame,

We do our best to kill in his name

Because the kills all count the same

Napalm sticks to biters!

Riding low right through the trees

Winners doing what they please

Dropping Frags on Colonees

Napalm sticks to biters!

It made us feel right good inside

When big biters and the spitters cried

But what we wreally did like was when the bases ignite

Napalm sticks to biters!

Turret and bots that never tire

Fucking carapace broke my tire

Napalm makes the fire higher

Napalm sticks to biters

Spitters chugging at my walls

Worms as large as terran malls

Chemical plants takes it's toll

Napalm sticks to biters!

Burn some shits when you go minin'

Chop the woods when you start buildin'

Hose them down when they come screamin'

Napalm sticks to biters!

A group of xenos in the trees

Can you smell it in the breeze

Crispy critters, get some o' these

Napalm sticks to biters!

Trains rolling through the ancestral grounds

Larvae, running all around

No brakes, keep moving, they get ground

Napalm sticks to biters!

>>14067146

Main busses are used to reduce spaghetti to a bare minimum, but they require you to FLATTEN and entire strip of land, and they are extremely hard to upgrade.

>>14070279

They accept Paysafe though.

>>14071039

basic bus is usually

>4 Iron

>4 Copper

>4 Green Circuits

>2 Steel

>2 Plastic

>1 Battery

>1 Purple-ish Blue Circuits

>2 Red Circuits

>>14066361

Because I don't play Factorio, anon :^)

>All those busfags

Real men build their factory organically, resulting in a huge spaghetti of belts going through your factory. There is nothing more statisfying than burning your factory down because you were too retarded to leave any space for future expansion

>>14071105

>his bus isn't a giant spaghetti

>>14071236

>spaghetti doesn't come out of the machine in a screaming knot of impossible geometry

Pasta main bus confirmed.

Autistic planning is actually easy mode confirmed.

All I want is a game mode that scatters knotted and fucked up factory ruins all over the map and charges you with getting the entire interconnected world-spanning behemoth mass-producing rockets using as few components as possible.

Hard Mode: all robotics tech is disabled

Nightmare Mode: nothing may be deconstructed and even ghosts can't be deleted

Slaanesh is my Spirit Animal Mode: resources, intermediates and products may only be transported via train

>>14071478

>resources, intermediates and products may only be transported via train

i do that already, are splitters and underground belts allowed?

>>14071491

No transport belts, splitters or loaders are allowed in any form, no. Only inserters to get them in and out of the train.

>>14071527

Oh that's what you meant, misinterpreted the train as a bus/belt.

polite sage

>>14071741

That looks like an interesting map. Is the map generator actually good enough to choose high water setting like this now without expecting a bunch of isolated islands to ruin your game?

>>14071787

You can build land bridges if that happens.

>>14072835

What the fuck am I looking at?

>>14067028

>What's a "main bus"?

A bunch of belts carrying intermediates in some direction. The idea is that instead of thinking about what resources to route where, you just build your factory along the belts, so you always have everything nearby. It saves you a bunch of planning or later spaghettiing.

>>14067601

Robots are the astroglide of factorio. It makes things easier but the downside is you're a homo.

>>14074253

Not having oil is a severe problem, Death World pretty much requires laser turrets. The steel cost of piercing ammo just becomes a ridiculous drain.

>>14074396

Uranium research will require plastic and therefore oil.

>>14073874

>It makes things easier but the downside is you're a homo

I take offense to that! As an actual homo, I can assure you that I don't want anything to do with those damn robots!

>>14074253

>labs supplied by two belts

as pretty as it is, there are seven types of science packs with one of those being postgame only. You'd need three belts soon enough and with the way you've crammed everything in, you're going to have to move something.

What do you think of having science labs feeding each other in series like >>14067588 ? I get the feeling it's a bit inefficient because it has a moment where the active packs are in the arms and not in any labs but for saving space it's great.

>>14075963

That's a minimal factory. I don't intend to use it past providing basic supplies for building modular factory.

>>14076253

Have autism.

Best beginner tip I can give you is to make sure everything goes from digging up the ore to producing a final product without you having to move things from chest to chest. Also setting up some assemblers that make arms, belts, and maybe gears and green circuits and just letting them tick over pouring into a chest each will save you a lot of time. Later in the game you can change that chest for a logistic chest and save yourself walking to it too

Ideally you want to make as few things yourself and have everything automated. Keep that in mind while you play.

>>14076253

Try to reduce micromanagement to an absolute minimum, its fun making your first spaghetti factory, but I abandoned mine because it was too hard to handle.

I find the game a lot like programming, you can make really elegant solutions or brute force everything. Blackboxing is key, and have fun!

>>14070303

>Napalm sticks to biters

>Not Napalm sticks to kids

I don't remember "biters" being used in lieu of "kids"

>>14066370

Is this a mod? How do I get to this spraytime fun?

>>14078558

factorio autosaves, they're called autosave1 2 and 3. as long as you don't play another game and play over those, they autosave every 10 mins or something, you can use those.

>>14078638

Mate I know that. That's the thing, I was playing another game and I accidentally saved over my nearly-200-hour save.

>>14078711

so not only did you play over factorio's autosaves, you then manually saved over your old manual save

>>14078784

Fuck, losing 12 hours doesn't seem so bad any more. Is it a mod that fucks you now?

That's a hell of a map too, I didn't think there were many other people doing MAXIMUM BITER type worlds.

>>14078832

>>14078784

>MAXIMUM BITER type worlds.

>19.3 ups

>I didn't think there were many other people doing

>>14078972

this is one of the problems with early access though. something like this i'm sure would require a lot of work and reworking a lot of things. they've already made 90% of the money they're going to make with this game. there's no motivation to push hard anymore. they'll drop little updates here and there to keep the interest up and the money flowing, but they're not going to do anything radical or anything that requires more significant time investment.

>>14078879

UPS wouldn't had mattered if these faggots didn't go with the easiest possible route of having fixed update rate thereby tying game speed to UPS. And it's not even that hard to completely decouple game updates from frames. You would still have to throttle game speed if your game needs more than 1 second worth of computing time per second, but at least it won't be slowing down just because an update takes more than 1/60th of a second.

>>14078972

Yeah that's not gonna work that way. For many reasons but mainly because factories tend to be large and singular, where this method fails hardest. Optimal approach would be to simply map-reduce updates for everything that doesn't immediately requires any interaction with the game world, and do the rest linearly in the main thread. The ideal approach would be to map-reduce based on chunks but they've fucked themselves over out of it by designing it in an incompatible fashion.

>>14079034

Apart from UPS probably slowing down exactly because the game needs more than one second of computing time per second, your solution would completely break multiplayer which relies on synchronized, same-sized timesteps.

>>14078972

So like one of those warehouse mods, but at a much bigger scale or a 1:1 scale? You'd need to make it destructible by biters, though, or else they couldn't interact with it at all, which opens up this whole new can of worms.

>>14078998

Any game in this late of a development stage is unlikely to tear up everything for a change of this caliber, it's not just early access. Since they seem to be still optimizing, I hope that biters get sped up somewhat more since they seem to be a big source of lag right now.

>>14079076

Switch to 30 UPS baseline if it can't run at 60 UPS. Switch to 15 UPS if it can't run 30 UPS. Problem solved. Also the event driven system doesn't even have any frames to synchronize, it only has timestamps which are synchronized by default.

>>14079085

Old version / 10. Also I have to wonder how much time it took to get there with so little production power.

>>14079176

>dude

I dunno, looks pretty androgynous to me.

>>14079076

ya that's exactly the thought that popped into my head. there's already that warehouse mod that let's you attach belts of shit to pump in and out of a big building, and then you can go inside into this separate much bigger place and stick factory stuff in there to attach to the belt input/outputs.

Why couldn't those be multithreaded? and on a much larger scale.

>>14079034

>not even that hard to completely decouple game updates from frames.

doesn't KSP do this? if you have some massive rocket the game slows down but I think the FPS stays up. Factorio would be much more playable with low ups if the fps stayed high.

>>14079087

this is the way to do it. ups dips are terrible going from 60 to 45 or something constantly, it's much more tolerable once you leave the 60/60 to drop the baseline and stay there. I don't know how people play at sub 20 though. It's a slideshow.

>>14080225

Doom runs at 35 UPS but can output any FPS. The trick is to use interpolation to have the graphics moving in between updates.

>>14080731

>it's like watching someone else's kid grow up

I think their beef is that it's like paying for someone else's kid to grow up. I don't mind as long as that kid's mowing my lawn and shoveling my snow and shit, but if it's sitting there doing fuckall after taking my money, I'd be pretty fucking mad.

Luckily for Factorio, it's fucking fun.

>>14080778

>Paying $25 to watch someone's kid grow up

Eh, in real life I pay more than that every year for his birthday and Christmas. And yeah, he literally might die before reaching adulthood, but that doesn't mean the time or money was wasted. It just means life is uncertain and you have to take chances.

>>14080731

>it's like watching someone else's kid grow up.

BOYHOOD TOOK 20 YEARS TO MAKE! :^)

>>14080731

>I don't understand everyone's beef with Early Access; it's like watching someone else's kid grow up.

Perfect analogy for why people don't like paying for early access.

>>14082073

Something from a modpack?

The devs wouldn't really add something like that to factorio base, would they? I hope not.

>>14082196

No, this is all from the Omni- mods. Omnimatter, omniscience and whatnot. It's probably bad load order or something with bob's mods, which it claims to support.

Either way, I'm giving that mod a rest for a little bit. It's interesting managing the chaos that processing 15+ ores from a single "omni-ore" produces, but I think I may just give standard angelbobs another try instead.

>>14082235

Give yuoki a try, lots of fun mechanics like toolhead replacement, drill resharpening, and weird jap autism components to build everything. Also the buildings look nice.

>>14082354

I've installed it a few times, but I could never really figure out where to begin with it. I like what I see when I look around the tech tree, though, especially all those extra trains and whatnot.

I just need to figure out what ore to start with and how to get it going. All I've been able to figure out in the past is that one of the ores can be pulverized to make a paint or something.

>>14082073

If you can hand craft something you should be able to machine craft it. You probably need a higher level machine that can take the right number of ingredients?

>>14082397

The yuoki tech tree helps a lot, the issue is more how many buildings are unlocked each research. The solar plant might be a good thing to shoot for, it's like 2.4MW in one (expensive) building.

>>14082422

Another thing I noticed when I was playing just now is there's a yuoki machine group for pulling pollution out of the air, compressing it into bricks, and burning it again.

Also what the fuck happened to angel's smelting, I had to make ten buildings just to make some clay bricks!

So turrets basically need piercing ammo to not suck, but piercing ammo is such a gigantic resource investment that lasers are just so much better, especially with their longer range on top of the not-needing-a-supply-chain deal.

So I've decided to make a little tweak-mod that changes piercing ammo to require 1 steel plate, but 9s to manufacture.

Here it is, if anyone wants: https://www.dropbox.com/s/oi2wyie2wgy157c/cheap-piercing-rounds_0.1.0.zip?dl=0

>>14083313

It was pretty bullshit that they changed it so you need normal bullets as well as steel and copper as ingredients. If they intended it to be used for dumping unused (and obsolete) normal magazines, the recipe should have reflected that change in resource balance.

A better change, I think, would be that two normal magazines plus the five copper and steel results in two piercing magazines. The logic here is that you're making the better ammo using the steel and copper, but reusing the same magazines (as they are the same size). This way, each piercing magazine only requires 2.5 copper and 0.5 steel.

>>14083356

I'm not a masochist.

Also

>implying fucking anything is a massive resource investment when you have InFiNIte OrEs

>>14083356

Clay bricks aren't in the base game, you're probably thinking of stone bricks. To make clay bricks you need like 8 washing plants, a blast furnace, an assembler, and a furnace.

>>14083360

yeah good luck satisfying the 50x ore demand you get from angels without infinite ores

>>14083372

Yeah, but that's the point. If you have both an increased supply AND an increased demand, nothing has actually changed except the numbers. It's basically inflation when the prices have changed to reflect it. Instead of paying four dollars for a loaf of bread, you're paying two-thousand, except two-thousand dollars is now worth four dollars.

>>14083340

Good idea. Now I've got to figure out what variable controls # of things created.

>>14083372

>>14083384

Exactly. That's why I don't really like that shit. it adds complexity without… meaning, I guess. It's inflation.

>>14083384

A lot has changed because you build a different setup, and this is a game about the setup, not the result. 10->lots of shit -> 10 and 1->simple->1 are different and 10->simple 10 times->10 is also different.

>>14083394

I've been around since 2014. If you mean how I use linebreaks, then that's something I've always done.

>>14083394

>youre a fucking cuckchanner

>Says the guy posting le ebin reaction meme! image

This isn't a normie game, so you can take your normie behavior and cram it right up your ass.

>>14083340

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uku3g1xh1ta91wr/cheap-piercing-rounds_0.2.0.zip?dl=0

How's this? It makes piercing round mags take 3x longer to make, but produces 3 mags for the same resources.

>>14083679

Adding new weapons and biter types isn't too hard. Have a look at Natural Evolution enemies. If you've got any kind of scripting or coding experience, lua is quite easy.

>>14066377

Yours is probably better than mine anon, I've only managed to get halfway through the game so far because my production output is shit I can't figure out any good configurations for the belts and I don't wanna cheat by looking it up

>>14084914

>and I don't wanna cheat by looking it up

That's how I feel too. I am glad I eventually managed to come up with something similar to the main bus before I stumbled on it here.

>>14084914

>>14084963

>not playing MP and learning without cheating

>>14083372

Angel has less ore demand lategame though. Ore smelting doubles your ore output, then you have bobs modules which break the game. Even if you don't use bob's modules you have higher level crafting and mining machines that can take 8 or so productivity modules, and overall longer crafting chains means more steps to use modules in. And if all of this isn't enough you can just mine infinite nodules and get ore from slag like in Seablock.

The worst feeling is the feeling of dread as your long-used iron pit starts running dry.

Or the annoyance of an oil field dropping to near-unusable amounts, I guess.

>>14075312

Kill yourself.

>>14085815

>The worst feeling is the feeling of dread as your long-used iron pit starts running dry.

How about the feeling when the barrel nerf hits and your power plant dies until you've somehow quintupled your feeder belts?

>>14085953

I'm a shitter and feed my power plants with solid fuel from oil delivered via train with fluid wagon and processed on site, so I haven't had that problem yet.

>>14085106

Multiplayer in Factorio is always garbage.

You always get people going off working on their own shit instead of actually working together to improve the base. You get that one fucktard who insists that everything be done HIS WAY, even when he's not very good at the game. You get people standing around because they're too timid or "want to learn". You get someone who goes and snatches up literally all the fucking level III modules for himself, without asking, so he can make new power armor, leaving none for the factory or anyone else. You get one guy who wants to have the train emptied by robots, and the other guy wants inserters and they argue about it every five minutes. You get someone who goes and lights an entire goddamn forest on fire and then sits back giggling while it burns down half the factory nearest it. Whenever the biters attack, everyone looks at the map and argues over who is closer and needs to take care of it; or worse, they say that "it's YOUR ore mine, so YOU go fix it!" You get one guy who spends three hours trying to design an overcomplicated train station with twenty signals and some ludicrous 12->7 belt balancer or some such nonsense, and doing nothing else for the factory. You get that one guy who actually goes around finding problems in the factory and correcting them, but nobody notices or gives him credit. You get everyone screaming and finger pointing and arguing because someone accidentally turned a single goddamn inserter 90 degrees and all the circuit production shut down. You get one guy who figures out how to get FARL working and starts whipping around the map laying rail lines everywhere willy-nilly and running people over like a jackass. Then, finally, you get that one guy with a shitty internet, and suddenly everyone else has 2UPS.

It's like all those stereotypes about multiplayer Minecraft and being filled with idiot 12-year-olds, except they're idiot 25-year-olds, and the stereotypes are TRUE.

>>14085106

>playing MP

>with a bunch of Spaghetti niggers who can only fuck things up

>with a bunch of main bus autists, who will screech at you for taking ammo out of the military science pack belts

>with a bunch of fags who will screech at you for using anything but solar

>with a bunch of numales who will build AROUND trees

>with a bunch of idiots who will run away from biters

>with pozholes who will not touch resource patches if a biter base is anywhere near it

No.

>>14086285

>IGNORE RESEARCH: PURGE ALL XENOS

>spaghetti niggers

>main Bus autists

If it wasn't for the Spaghetti niggers it would be alright.

>>14086253

Don't forget the jolly fellow who goes around with water barrels and an assembler and slips a few drops into every pipe he can find.

>>14086253

>>14086259

is this with other anons or just randoms?

>>14086253

>not having a factory for power armor and power armor accessories

It's like you thought no new players will join and none of the existing ones gonna die, so there will be no demand for these items.

>not putting up so many turrets that biters have to launch upwards of 5 waves just to do any damage

>not putting up auxiliary uranium-fed turrets to take out biters that come too close

>not pairing turrets with repair bots

>not putting shit ton of landmines in front of your turrets

It's like you actually want to lose your outposts to biters or something.

>using robots for hauling materials

Yeah it's called being a faggot. There should be a mod that disables requester and provider chests. Use it on your server.

>no one gives credit

Boo hoo hoo, go be attention whore somewhere else.

>>14086259

>using solar

Gotta be the same kind of faggots that use electric furnaces.

>>14087118

>and none of the existing ones gonna die

I think one of the last patches added recoverable corpses so there's no real loss from death now.

>>14087118

>Gotta be the same kind of faggots that use electric furnaces.

Can't 8-8 beacon steel furnaces bro.

>>14087216

>fucking up perfect timing ratios and good layouts over some boosts that don't fucking matter

I will never understand this.

>>14087273

>don't fucking matter

>literally free resources

r u havin' a giggle?

>>14087273

>not overengineering everything for the hell of it

laughingbiters.jpg

>>14087286

>free

>after you spend bullshit amount of resources making the modules in the first place

Or you can just, you know, play the game and make more mining posts. It's not like the map gonna run out of iron.

>>14087304

>using modules

>overengineering

You might as well call using bots """overengineering""".

>>14087325

>using bots

Bloat.

>>14087273

My ridiculously huge factory has to produce something besides science, might as well be modules.

>>14087409

Why don't you make ammo instead?

>>14087325

>modules

>expensive

What's actually expensive is time, which is what you spend when you need to clear out extra sections of the map of biters, lay down a larger defensive line, set up and entire new mining outpost, set up a new train line, and set up a new smelting line.

Or you can just run past your miners, smelters and crafting machines and throw in modules.

>>14087325

I'd certainly rate it higher than stamping down a dozen copies of an inefficient design :^)

>>14087418

I'm lazy and can't be arsed to do the logistics for gun turret defenses for larger bases, so lasers it is. I ran a factory to space on gun turrets and landmines and don't really feel like doing gun turrets again, though I do feel like using landmines again.

>>14087434

The artillery train exists to make this automatic, you only need to slap down stations now. With good blueprints you can shit out outposts in 5 minutes either way, and far out they last for a while.

I've never tried placing a train with a bot but if so you could make a station blueprint complete with train assembled onsite.

>>14087467

Or you could just produce and load modules once, then you need to throw down all outposts way less often forever.

Modules on long-process items stack multiplicatively. You end up getting to the point where you tech 200% faster on the same resources and launch rockets 300% faster.

>>14071741

Not enough concrete. You should have walked around with giant concrete ghosts and used construction bots to concrete everything in your territory.

>>14087498

Sorry I think you should use modules I just got autism for a second about clearing nests.

>starting some angelbobs

>mine some bobmonium onto a belt

>can only smelt crushed bobmonium

>plop an ore crusher

>ore crusher output is crushed bobmonium + crushed stone

>no filter inserters

>no way to instruct inserters to put things on the near or far side of the belt specifically

>no way to instruct inserters to pull things from the near or far side of the belt specifically

>no way to have crusher output one product on one belt and another product on another belt

What are some good solutions for this? I can't be running around manually clearing machines or buffer chests? How do I sort these things into two clean belts with burner tech?

>>14088078

Just put it all on one belt and either have inserters to assemblers making stone or inserters to furnaces for plates since they'll only take what they can use. Though I found this to bit touchy so I ended up just doing it manually till i got filters. They're not far off, iirc its pretty much the first thing you make with basic elecronic boards which is the first thing you need tin for which you get from bobmonium.

>>14087273

Thanks for reminding me about another gripe with MP.

>That one faggot who's always bitching about MUH PURFECT PRODUKSHUN RAYSHEOS!!!

If you're that obsessed with mathematical precision, go play with a literal spreadsheet instead of playing a game. I have ACTUAL AUTISM, and I can't understand this horseshit.

Can't believe I put this game off for so long damn this is fun

>>14088269

Didn't they say they were going to patch stuff like this out of the game? I always felt it was sorta buggy and really cheaty, same with (if you remember) when inserters would take items off of the blank space at the end of belts.

>>14088227

Alright, I'll just work with it and rush filters, I suppose.

>>14088269

This is a cool workaround, but it does feel a bit cheesy to me. I wouldn't begrudge someone doing it, but I think I'll skip it myself. Thanks, though.

>>14088306

>when inserters would take items off of the blank space at the end of belts.

I was okay with that when it was in because it was like the items fell off the end of the belt but it's much better now that they've changed it.

>>14087445

>>14087434

More efficient? Saves time? Let's do some math then. Productivity module 3 gives 10 percent boost and makes it run 15 percent slower. Which means it'll take producing about 10k iron, 4k copper and 3k plastic on the machine it's installed on, per each module, before you start seeing any return on investment (e.g. if it's used iron smelter then that's 20k iron equivalent for every module you use). It also bumps up power use by 80%, so just to even it out you need 8 efficiency modules per 5 productivity modules, which increases return time by factor of 2.6 since efficiency modules don't contribute to the output. You can also try speed modules but that boosts energy consumption by 70% per each speed module too, so to even that out you gonna need 7 efficiency modules per 5 speed modules, increasing return time by factor of 1.4 (speed boost will make physically take only 7% faster to accomplish - waste of resources). Or if you're going full productivity and/or speed then you're looking to, per each module installed in every machine, use 70-80% more solar panels and batteries, or mine coal and/or uranium 70-80% faster therefore having to put up new mining sites almost twice as often, and have 70-80% more power stations. Per module in each machine. For 10% better yield on raw materials from these machines, making you set up new mining posts 10% less often. Even if you go full solar so that you don't actually need to mine coal or uranium, you still need to produce the modules, solar panels and batterries, that amounts to 1k iron, 500 copper and 500 petroleum per module combined, per 10% better yield. If you had 100 modules you'd had to work through a full large patch of ores to start seeing any return on them. Sounds like you're doing way more work and waste way more time setting up new mining posts with the modules than you would without them.

>>14088267

>t. brainlet

>>14087451

>I'm lazy and can't be arsed to do the logistics for gun turret defenses for larger bases

Once I learned you can disable train spots via circuits it was a pretty major game changer. My plan is to essentially make a bunch of train stops to deposit ammo, and have them disabled unless the relevant chest is below some value. In theory the train should just chill at the loading point when its inventory is full until its time to restock.

>>14089496

Make sure all of your ammo outposts have the same name then, because otherwise it will wait for that one specific outpost to signal for ammo and will ignore all the other ones in meantime.

>>14089498

Pretty sure they just skip disabled stations.

>>14089452

>muh UPS

productivity modules in assemblers surrounded by max beacons on both sides with speed is the most efficient UPS setup. solar is free. also productivity modules are better in some things than others, ie science and circuits.

>>14089536

productivity + max speed beacons is also important for smelting which is the largest ups drain

>>14089536

Speaking of UPS. With the latest updates I've been having inexplicable UPS drops on a very small factory, literally fits on the screen. I think they've been linked to biter attacks but that's not a very strong connection.

>>14089551

I remembering hearing some hardware would make it run like shit until you minimized and restored it since the last patch. Don't know if it's related.

>>14089633

>sublime

Subtle. And obviously I meant the chests for buffering cargo wagons.

>>14089598

>tedious to design

>not universal

>takes a lot of space

>can't unfuck poor initial belt balancing

>>14089676

Also the throughput is guaranteed to be sub-optimal because you'd be working in PWM mode, i.e. inserters will be shut down a fraction of the time. Technically, if you feed from two blue belts and use full upgraded stack inserters for loading, then you don't need any ballancing hardware because a packed blue belt can just slightly oversaturate 3 stack inserters.

>>14089676

>tedious to design

But it's just a single ALU providing the ore average of the chests to the set of inserters for less than average comparison. It's as easy as circuitry gets, really.

>not universal

Pretty sure you can use generic signals and convert them to simplify it if you want, but I find it easy enough to just set the first inserter manually and copy paste drag onto the rest.

>takes a lot of space

We must be thinking of different things, because the space difference when it comes to the chests/inserters is really only the ALU and cables if you want to consider those.

As for the belts, I just split all of them onto a single lane so that it's always compressed and it worked just fine to ensure all inserters only have to wait on the inventory average instead of belt throughput.

>cant unfuck poor initial belt balancing

Like I already mentioned, it literally boils down to splitting all the miner output lanes into a single train loader lane, it's as simple as it gets.

>>14089697

>Also the throughput is guaranteed to be sub-optimal because you'd be working in PWM mode, i.e. inserters will be shut down a fraction of the time.

Since I'm usually running trains on Full Inv predicates, it's far more important to me that the wagons are loaded evenly, instead of the first two being full in a sec and then single or double stack inserters loading the the rest over the next 5 minutes.

>Technically, if you feed from two blue belts and use full upgraded stack inserters for loading, then you don't need any ballancing hardware because a packed blue belt can just slightly oversaturate 3 stack inserters.

I'm at mid-game so I don't have blues on average and the ore fields don't really go bigger than a million on average, so I suppose the thing here is that the circuitry is helpful early on and not so important later when the sheer throughput can compensate for it.

>generate demon world in v 15.40

>play a few hours

>realize there are no biters

What do?

How quickly should you try to expand out from your spawn zone? Unless you're playing on rich resources, it seems sketchy to keep using it's resources for long.

>>14090423

Use it literally for as long as there is anything left. This applies to all patches of resources. Concentrate your efforts on getting the factory running. You will start expanding when your existing patches start running dry.

>>14090429

I guess that makes sense, no point in wasting resources that are laying around.

I've played this ages ago, does it scale beyond those flying drones yet?

Back then it felt silly to still run around with my dude when I can have robots fly wherever I want to build my things. Does it have a more RTS like camera controls yet?

>>14090784

There's a Robot Army mod that adds command and conquer style RTS combat to the game. You research combat droid tech - mostly treaded rolling turrets - and set up construction loops for them. You can give them patrol routes, direct commands as long as they're within radar range and so on. It's a neat idea, but I've not played with it extensively yet.

>>14090784

You can zoom in and give construction orders from the map now., as long as you have line of sight through radars. The only thing you can't build or remove remotely is trains, though you can update their schedules from anywhere.

>>14088385

>>14088306

It's not buggy at all, it makes perfect sense if you think about it. The hood on the UG belt covers half the tile so the half of the belt that leads to it can't place items onto it, meaning that only items from the other half get through. If anything, the inconsistency with it is that the hoods on the entrances don't block items on the half of the belt that hits them.

Until they add a version of the splitter that actually separates the belt's contents (which, realistically, would be as easy as simply placing a wedge in the middle of the track) there's no reason not to do this.

>>14090977

The hood should cover entire side though - belts under the hood and on the ground are not aligned and one cannot feed to another.

>>14090977

Also there's a mod that adds belt wedge.

>>14090915

That's cool, pretty much what I wanted, thanks.

>>14090909

This also sounds neat.

>>14090977

Why would you ever need to separate a belt's contents if you deliberately put them together on the same belt in the first place?? Just run two separate belts side-by-side.

>>14091530

Saving space. If I don't need the throughput of two full belts, then why should I use two full belts?

>>14091530

The trouble for me is machines that take a single input compound ore and output 2-5 different intermediate ores all at once. Dealing with that kind of mixed output before you have access to filter inserters provides a fair logistical challenge.

>>14091559

Unless you use mods that won't be a problem though, so introducint a new part to stock to fix mod author's shit isn't really required, since you can get mods for that as >>14091023 pointed out.

>>14091757

Beat vanilla

>>14091757

>not manually saving every few seconds in case you ever need to go back in time

Dumb fucker.

t. 700 saves from first run, taking up 4.86GB

>>14067973

Technically it's blue.

>>14091757

>supple chests

>posts nia

ITTY BITTY KITTY TITTY

>>14092202

i'm totally taking pictures of my screen to get responses like this from autists such as yourself from now on

>>14092266

Don't.

>>14092266

And because you don't think the explanation about how to take screenshots will stick.

>>14092297

SEETHING

>>14092341

>You are the type of person who will struggle their entire lives, never make anything of themselves or get anywhere, and deserve every bit of suffering that they experience.

WhereDoYouThinkWeAre.webm

>>14091789

I'm kind of impressed we live in an age where you can find 8chan, can muster enough autism to play Factorio but can't find the printscreen key on your keyboard. Nothing much to say about the factory, it's a decently well-organized cookie cutter babby's first green science factory, and you should naturally learn how to improve on it as you play the game. That's kind of the beauty of this game, it slowly eases you into best practices, economies of scale and not doing things by hand.

>>14092202

>current year

>windows still can't save png screenshot just by pressing the printscreen key

>>14092221

Uranium glows green, very faintly. The bright blue glow is cherenkov radiation, it requires that electrons in the medium travel faster than speed of light in that medium. Speed of light in thin air is almost the same as it is in vacuum so cherenkov radiation doesn't happen in thin air unless extreme radiation levels involved. It does pretty easily happen in water though, in which speed of light is 75%.

>>14092455

What did you expect? They added a shitty "snipping tool" progrm back in WinVis, which requires you to alt-tab out of the program you are using, start up SnippingTool, go back into the game, set borderless windowed mode (if it even has that) and then select the entire screen using the rectangle select option.

It's shit, and even Ubuntu comes with a better built in version of it.

>>14092714

>that boiler/engine setup

D-Do you want some help?

>>14092747

Oh yeah, just noticed I forgot to fix that.

I made it when I still didn't have underground conveyors, so it got kinda fucked up. I'm setting up my labs for now, so I guess I'll fix it after that.

>>14092341

Learn to read IDs before you judge people, idiot.

>>14093485

Dear god that boiler/engine setup causes me physical pain to look at. What in the actual fuck are you doing?

>>14093525

W-what's wrong with it?

>>14093538

>not even close to proper ratios

>piping the steam that far away

>using 2 arms to feed a single boiler

Do I need to make you a non retarded blueprint?

>>14093711

>I-is this better?

Slightly but it's still shit. The proper ratio is 2 engines per boiler. Gimmie a minute to boot up my game, I'll show you how to build this shit properly.

>>14093959

Just note that if you do build like this and your base is still small, some of the engines won't be running at 100% capacity. This is because they won't bother producing any power if there's nothing that actually needs more power.

Also make sure you don't cross any pipes that carry different things. it's not that big of a deal with something like this because it's easy to fix, but it becomes an enormous pain in the dick later on when you're working with oil.

>>14093992

It's not supposed to tile endlessly. You either make the whole thing bigger or build another copy next to it.

>>14094479

I used to have three rows of boilers feeding two rows of 15 steam engines each to exploit the coastline better. I've also seen people do the opposite, make very boxy designs where the engines fold back to avoid having a long obstacle in their bases. The new system feels like it's made with one setup in mind and everything else is suboptimal.

>>14087535

Did that at one point, but the later mining outposts aren't connected via one large logi network, I've got an outpost supply train that supplies outpost's own smaller logi networks

>>14092714

>long long pipes

Not a problem on small scales, but you should be aware that fluid throughput drops every 4 tiles of pipe - both underground and overground - dropping to about 50% at extremely long ranges (150+ tiles). For a 20-length pipe, you'll lose a couple hundred units per second of fluid throughput (not the same as pipe capacity, though that factors in).

If you want maximum throughput, you need to place a pump every 4 tiles. Every 8 or every 12 is more practical and the drop in throughput will only be noticeable on extremely large-scale systems that are taxed near their limits.

For normal small-scale use, you don't even need pumps at all, as everything that requests fluid counts as a pump. You may consider always putting pumps leading into your storage tanks, however, as they do not have any pump effect built into them, and I've found that refineries can slow down waiting for fluid to trickle into the tanks if you don't force it in.

Hostfag of the usual potato server here. After lots of sweat and tears I have come up with an option for the server to not become a laggy piece of shit near endgame; through a private VPN I can route my local not-shit server and allow public connections (port forwarding still does not work for no apparent reason).

The downside of this solution is

>upload speed is 85KBsec, 10+MB late-game maps take 2-4 minutes to download

>increased lag, around +50ms (still decently playable but noticeable)

>as of now piratefags wouldn't be able to connect, because you must use the server browser, direct connect just doesn't work

With that said, I could host the game as usual on the potato server and move it to local once it starts to lag.

More importantly, would anyone want to play MP? Mostly QoL mods with some tech price increase, otherwise vanilla railworld-ish map.

>>14093959

not shipping steam via train to specialized engine facilities.

>>14092714

>Small breasts best breasts

They really are delicious

>>14096493

Doesn't it cool off if you try stuff like that? I'm being fucking retarded by even considering trying this aren't I?

>>14096547

I have no clue if they ever implemented a feature where steam turns back into water, I kinda doubt it actually

Someone wanna try?

>>14096547

>I'm being fucking retarded by even considering trying this aren't I?

Only slightly, but that's just because of the impracticality. Steam is treated the same as any other liquid, whether it be acid, water or oil. All the train does is add another step in the electricity creation process.

>>14096547

Nah fluids keep their temperature forever.

>>14096547

There's no temperature naturally cooling down ever. The only way to reduce temperature of steam is to run it through an engine or turbine. Steam-filled storage tanks are actually really great at storing energy

>>14098076

I'm still astounded there's no belt-splitter that specifically divides two to four belts down the middle. You can divide a single belt into two belts with a splitter, but if you add another it will start randomly jumbling everything together in the output rather than doing a clean 2:1 split with the ratios of what's on each side of each belt kept intact

>>14098076

Just use splitter+underground belts or build two belts, poorfag

>>14098076

Nigga read the thread

>>14088269

>>14098584

Build your tank fields far apart from your refineries and pumpjacks

Build your chemical plants far apart from your refineries and tank fields as well

Spread that shit over a huge wide open area so you have room for every pasta mankind has a name for

>>14094479

While were talking about weird power I like to put the steam from nuclear power into trains and haul it off to be processed elsewhere. It's pretty great and you get a built in buffer and can also run far away outposts off it although I never bother.

>>14099075

It's actually pretty rare that I get killed by a biter. I'm too careful in combat, and if they eat a hole in my base I'm just going to reload an earlier save before they get in deep enough to kill me.

But I get smashed by a train at least fifty times in every playthrough. Next time, I swear I'm going to make designated paths and put safety-gates at every rail crossing.

>>14090909

This is what the developers were supposed to implement in the first place. It's even been in their dev roadpath for a while. Really sad we have to rely on mods to get this now, this game really is turned into Minecraft.

>>14101814

Doesn't look like you have any nearby oil so you'd better get exploring.

>>14100772

>Two burner miners feeding directly into each other.

Neat. I never thought of that. Only useful for the really early game before electricity but that's a really good idea.

>>14092202

>using winblows in CY+3

factorio is certified linux vidya, get fucked micro$lave

>>14100772

how many anons so far?

>>14104120

It's terrible, but don't worry; it's just your first factory. When you get to the point where things seem impossible, abandon it and start over with a new factory. It's unlikely you'll be good enough to actually beat the game until your fifth or sixth attempt.

>>14104168

Surprised that's still an issue.

>>14104225

What's the problem with it?I wanted a lot of iron plates up until I got the long arms I had to run around that thing like a retard with stacks of coal in my pockets

>>14104252

I'm wondering why you didn't just make those arms put the plates on the middle line and instead chose to put them on single tile long belts off to the sides.

>>14104284

I think I was having problems with iron plates blocking other iron plates so I tore the whole thing apart and rebuilt it bigger to try to fix it.

>>14104298

I think that means you're just not using them as quickly as you're making them. Or is it that thing where the gaps on the belt aren't big enough to fit a single plate and the arm doesn't drop it?

>>14104374

It was the second one, the ones on the bottom just never dropped their item. I'm sure I'm to blame for that in some way but this seemed to fix it.

>>14104460

I have never seen a more suspicious filename.

>>14104493

>>14104493

>unzipping a jpeg

Really? How stupid do you think we are?

>>14104639

what do?

>>14104646

Using of head, friend anon.

and paying attention to the file size discrepancies between the board's version and your PC's version also helps, at least for troubleshooting

>>14104646

Clicking the (u) or (h) works where right clicking on the image doesn't.

>>14100772

Squeak Through was left out of the modpack and pipes started getting annoying,

https://a.pomf.cat/zrmnpp.zip

or get version 1.1.8

>>14104663

Are you working for X-Files anon? Did you take the knee today?

>>14105359

Also updated to 0.16.15

>>14100772

Removed mod folk-stopthat, replaced with EquipmentHotkeys.

F1 toggles exoskeleton

F2 toggles personal roboport

F8 toggles night vision

Updated mod collection, contains all current mods:

https://a.pomf.cat/keinbr.rar

>>14108187

Slap down a huge pile of radars so they'll reveal the map for you.

>>14108764

I hate to admit this but I took the map seed & chucked it into a sandbox game to manually explore. I put the oil & uranium frequency too low and i checked really fucking far away and this is one of two of the nearest locations. Thankfully there weren't many spoilers of what is in the unexplored areas because most of the major resource spots were discovered beforehand and the rest is just empty fucking land with biter walls. Just getting to that oil required putting up walls of turrets to cut through all them critters.

That 2.8k uranium at my home base is the only uranium for an extremely long time.

>>14108764

>Slap down a huge pile of radars

<muh ups

the more radars you slap down and the more of the map gets revealed / generated the worse your ups are going to get. your best off with zero radars and as little of the map revealed / generated as possible.

>>14066361

So whats new with the game since release?

>>14109721

>ups

Is this a big deal or just some minmax efficiency autism? I was hoping to just explore and create gigantic maps to play on.

>>14083360

You mean "IMPORTANTLY, NO FUCKING ORE EVER"?

>>14109721

Every fucking time.

>why don't you use overground belts

<muh UPS

>why do you bother reducing pollution?

<muh UPS

>why do you play without aliens?

<muh UPS

Now fucking radars and exploring the fucking map.

Jesus anon, how much of the game do you have to sacrifice before you're not even playing it any more? Upgrade your fucking computer.

>>14109798

You can build Mavors now and cart them around on trains.

>>14109721

See >>14100772

>DeleteEmptyChunks

>>14109853

When it hits you, it hits you bad. Game starts playing like slowmo. It happens to any game, but on a good computer it happens much later.

>>14110086

>>14110119

i'm less concerned about slow-mo and more concerned about 10-15 fps. right when you finally have all of the hot dogs and can finally start kicking ass the game turns into a slideshow.

i do need a new processor but considering the current state of x86 it might be better to buy an amiga.

Mega or latest torrent link please

Is nuclear fuel worth it? or should I stick with solid fuel?

>>14110274

Turns out someone pressed the big "Delete Empty Chunks" button, which fucks with RSO and the areas that got deleted had all biters and resources wiped from them permanently. It's possible to make RSO regenerate all that, downside is that it will respawn all the biters, including ones that were cleared from within our walls. By editing some RSO functions I can sort of circumvent this, will see how it works out.

>>14111942

> had all biters and resources wiped from them permanently

Top fucking kek.

>>14112489

It's fixed now, I'll probably edit the mod later to be less annoying to run

>>14110329

15% top speed boost and 250% acceleration boost (as apposed to rocket fuel's 15% and 180% respectively). Makes a big difference to how long it takes your trains to get between stations but has the problem of only stacking to 1 instead of 10 like rocket fuel so it isn't fantastic for cars and tanks. That said, it's all about throughput. If you're struggling to get your trains to arrive fast enough with their goodies then either put more trains on the same track or make them faster. Just be fucking careful on the tracks because holy shit those trains travel at the speed of sound and this makes them get to that speed faster.

>>14112624

There's essentially no throughput problems with trains that can't be solved by simply making bigger trains.

IIRC you even get better returns on speed for a given engine:cargo ratio as you build bigger. e.g. a 1 engine 4 cargo moves significantly slower than a 3 engine 12 cargo

Is there some sort of main bus equivalent for oil production? Everything is set up & working well for me but its a disgusting mess and I've no clue what an efficient way to get that oil flow going

>>14116521

not pictured is beacons or heavy oil/light oil cracking, just attach it somewhere to the main product lines. you can fit atleast 1 row of beacons on one side i think. i don't think you can fit beacons on the other side because of the 3 pipe length.

>start playing Xander Mod (muh realism)

>struggle through to tier zero electric inserters and electricity after hours of burner tier

>at 6:30 hours I am ready to start circuits and have a decent main bus and around 2 iron/s production

>I really fucked up my margin settings and the ground is covered in huge mod ore patches (about as many as full bob) but practically none of it is iron or coal

I should probably just restart if I want to do trains properly I guess. At least it will go faster this time.

Mind you this was still my first factory so bare with me

>power problems

>thinking now would be a good time to get into uranium

>only deposits are right in the middle of a big fuckoff forest

>I'm a fucking genius

>use flame thrower to clear cut forest in record time

>smoke=pollution

>every biter in the known universe just tore me a new asshole

Well I guess it was about time I made a factory that wasn't comprised of 99% spaghetti anyway

>>14122282

the tank flamer is a pretty good tree clearer as it doesn't light fires or produce burning ground.

>>14122282

Trees also consume pollution so the more of them you have the less it will spread. I use poison capsules to clear forests because I always have tonnes of them on me but grenades work really well too.

>>14122081

>>14122619

According to logs, the Attach Notes mod caused the crash, if it happens again I'll remove it.

>>14123501

Turns out it was the speed limit sign on the road, if someone drives over one it causes a crash.

>>14123879

He went to 88 miles per hour and loaded an autosave