/v/ - Video Games

>>14021649

You realize the companies will just lie, right?

>>14021658

You realise people are autistic to run the numbers and disprove that and apple can at best remove them from the service and at worst take them to court right?

da ebul gumpanee line doenst really work when every month for the past 4 months destiny players have been autistic enough to disprove this kind of shit with Bungie time and again.

and the real significance is that apple is doing it at all. Its not "based apple" doing the right thing. Its covering their asses because they can see the 'no under 21 rating for a lootbox game' law could come to pass and they are preparing for it.

>>14021658

If they lie they'll get off the store.

Apple's store is more curated than steam.

>>14021649

http://archive.is/hBGpl

I like that this lootbox shit is potentially getting regulated better. However, blaming the games for people fucking their lives up is pretty silly.

>In other gamblebox news, if you think the lootbox problem is just much ado about nothing, try reading accounts from people whose lives have been ruined after games manipulated them into legitimate gambling addiction.

>From reddit, a truly horrid gacha story: "I am currently $15,800 in debt. My wife no longer trusts me. My kids, who ask me why I am playing Final Fantasy all the time, will never understand…"

That's just being dumb and you should suffer the consequences of that.

>>14021693

Nobody cares if some retard spends 15k on pixels. They're cheapening their games by putting paywalls in and it's a cancer flooding the entire industry, so every game will have this cancer. Although it's not like any games are worth playing these days anyways

>>14021693

Hopefully the numbers can be at least a mild dissuading agent against the "high spend heavy user" they market these lootboxes for. Even down to the animations showing a frame of the best rarity tier each time to make the user go 'm-maybe next time i was so close!' they are designed by proffessionals to be as habit forming as pachislot or straight gambling machines in casinos and people with addictive personalities are helpless when they think its "luck" but you show them the real odds and evidence shows time and again the whales dry up.

Demands, or requires? How can it be verified? Is Apple going to decompile every garbage mobage to check?

Pretty funny and pathetic that companies would rather put up with a million regulations on their microtransactins rather than just make a game without them.

I hope to god they implement no one under 21 can purchase lootboxes thing

That will really fuck some niggas up

>>14021742

i see the addicts getting buttmad about the chance of their fix going away are showing up early this time. The CSGO lotto servers down friendo?

The sooner this cancerous shit goes away the better.

>>14021693

>people whose lives have been ruined after games manipulated them into legitimate gambling addiction

Millennials really don't have the slightest sense of personal responsibility, do they?

Your hysteria over lootboxes is going to end up with goverment fuckery in video games. Just don't buy the fucking lootboxes if you don't like them. Crying to authorities to get shit banned is exactly what SJWs do.

>>14021658

And get sued.

>>14021693

>I am currently $15,800 in debt. My wife no longer trusts me. My kids, who ask me why I am playing Final Fantasy all the time, will never understand…

You know, you don't win if you don't play!

Snake eyes.

>>14021780

and heres the other side of the addicts slippery slope rebuttal. "first they come for my gacha waifus, next muh guns!".

If you dumb motherfuckers didnt buy this shit they wouldnt step in to begin with.

>>14021693

The issue is that because of those millennials, game devs desifn their game to make a profit. Therefore, it fucks other consumers over with cooldowns, cut content, and overpriced DLC.

It's also why we don't have unlockables or cheat codes in gaming anymore.

>>14021780

>just dont buy them

>implying I can control what whales with stupid amounts of money buy

>>14021790

Reminder that the only solution is white sharia and thot patrols while also bringing back pre-vatican II Christianity to have a say in government matters.

Race war wouldn't hurt, or a biological weapon that'd annihilate 80% of humanity

>>14021780

First off, the West already does that. Second, if companies can't draw a line for themselves, others will draw a line for them.

>>14021693

You're a retard if you don't think both are to blame.

> Game is built to be horribly addictive and build a gambling addiction in a specific way

> People get horribly addicted

It's the same thing as heroin. You should blame the people getting addicted and ruining their lives, but that doesn't mean that heroin should be legal, or that people trying to make kids get addicted to something so they can leach all their money away for years isn't horribly nefarious.

The answer here is both. The people getting addicted need to be responsible for themselves, but the people making a business out of cultivating addictions don't have clean hands either.

>>14021790

I don't buy lootboxes you fucking mongoloid, I've never paid for a single microtransaction in my life. If you want to fight lootboxes and gacha shit just use the fucking free market and vote with your wallet instead of crying to papa government to forbid other people playing the games you don't like.

>>14021808

>i-i dont even buy them but a law that effects the rating of games that only include lockboxes somehow effects me when i dont buy them, s-swear on me mum!

You are an addict who is threatened by the loss of their fix and going nuclear. You need to accept you have a problem.

>>14021808

> crying to papa government to forbid other people playing the games you don't like

Nobody's doing that, you fucking retard. Did you even read what's going on here? They want lootboxes to be considered gambling legally and have to abide by the restrictions gambling does. That's it. Fuck your stupid slippery slope, it's nonsense here.

And fuck your "vote with your wallet" shit. "Don't want meth being sold in your neighborhood? Just don't buy it! Why would you get the authorities involved when capitalism can do it?" I'm as capitalist as it gets, but capitalism doesn't work when it comes to addictive behavior, because the consumer can't reason or spend responsibly. There is a real place for legislation in our system.

>>14021780

I don't think you understand what's going on here. Video game companies are trying to get into the casino business without paying the governmob its take. You try to run a gambling ring without paying Big Tony protection money, the IRS breaks your legs. Gambling in video games isn't going to be banned, it's going to be regulated and taxed like gambling.

>>14021808

> just use the fucking free market

>2017, almost 2018

>still being a meliorist

>ignoring how powerful is peer pressure and social engineering

>>>/suicide/

>free market will solve everything, even though the goal of capitalism is a world-wide monopoly achieved through winning competition.

>sweating in their booties

Back to reddit

>>14021835

Reminder the artist who concepted and photographed this image had several outtakes that were stolen and sold on a stock image site

>>14021744

Thats how fucked things are, since the'll still get their shekels and shit bad products. That's the bad you can get in a industry with retarded consumers, normalfags and whales feeding it.

>>14021821

>And fuck your "vote with your wallet" shit. "Don't want meth being sold in your neighborhood? Just don't buy it! Why would you get the authorities involved when capitalism can do it?"

Using the war on drugs as an example of good government intervention? Holy fuck your mental retardation is terminal, that shit only build ultra-rich criminal empires of militarized inhuman sadistic butchers.

You faggots sound like a bunch of feminist cunts going "muh patriarchy" after trying to get titties censored.

>>14021780

>hysteria

>implying anyone here with the exception of maybe a small group of faggots that reside in the mobage circlejerks spend money on microtransactions

>you're just like SJW!

Please leave or try again with actual arguments.

>>14021852

>he thinks lockbox addicts actually play the games.

Oh sweet honey child. Its time to open your eyes to the sadness.

RIP Fate GO

>>14021848

Be honest. How much have you spent? Its time is ending and now the healing must begin.

>>14021879

Spendgame Sadboys throw logic out the window when their addiction is put under a microscope. They just need you to shut up, they can quit anytime they want!

>>14021649

>apple making a pro-consumerist move

What timeline did I just slip into?

Who won ww2?

>>14021819

>free market

>corporate cock

video games are not a scarce resource, so any market for them is farcical in the first place

>>14021896

The simpsons are still on air

Donald Trump is the President

Atari is making a new console

It was always barenstain bears

People hate the new star wars movie

Nintendo is doing better than it has in a decade

Welcome to universe 3928188

>>14021902

A by the numbers combination of rng, rarity tiers and lockbox animations to trigger a habit forming dopamine release.

see those banner adds for malware desquised as chinese f2p mmos with "lvl1….lvl30…lvl100!" shit? same thing. Addictive personalities dont demand quality or gameplay. They want rarity and carrots to chase.

>>14021902

Things that are hard to get tend to be more valued. Think of all the skins or mounts in MMOs that look terrible but are shown off because only 0.0001% have them.

>>14021693

>why does the gubmint push legislation to keep the retards safe?

Ah gee, I wonder.

>>14021917

Elmo is a good boy that dindu nuffin.

>>14021902

My guess is that they're just depressed, honestly. Who would actually choose digital roulette over the real thing, or any other fucking game really, with friends or other anons?

>>14021931

A real NEET would weigh those gacha in order in takeout and cheap vidya and write them off as wastes of money compared to waifu figma or some shit.

Micropaycucks and spendgame sadboys are normalfags that want to be part of a herd. Look at CSGO culture.

>>14021848

Addiction is addiction. Kill yourself.

>>14021939

I'd be willing to bet clinical depression is more common in normalfags than NEETs if only because a NEET isn't deluding themselves into thinking they matter.

>>14021848

demand for dope is because the american dream consists of a 60 hour work week and living paycheck to paycheck until you can save up enough to fucking kill yourself.

>>14021693

>That's just being dumb and you should suffer the consequences of that.

If you don't prevent retards from being fleeced don't be surprised when every company starts butchering their games to fleece retards.

At that point all you can do is change hobbies and hope that your new hobby doesn't get kike and goy infested.

>>14021961

What if they get addicted to drown their troubles?

Such as the millions of guys around the world who drink from morning to night every day.

>>14021744

Before GTA 5 rockstar used to release a new game every year.

After GTA 5 they haven't released a single new game yet but are still able to pay the salaries of thousands of employees. Microtransactions are that big of a money maker.

>>14022001

>one entire time of gacha

*type of gacha

>>14021780

>underage gambling is okay!

Shill or retard?

>>14021990

Again, that's their choice. Not my business to tell them what to do with their money, nor is it my place to rescue them from their own stupidity.

>>14022001

So there was no lawsuit, formal complaint, investigation, or judicial action. What happened was that social media had a bitchfit, then Cygames apologized and implemented a system to limit their liabilities in the future. Why then did you say they got sued? That clearly did not happen.

>>14021667

Japan too. Gachas have to display their R/SR/SSR rates and all of that shit. If a game has a form of in-game currency that can't be bought with real world money, it can have secret shit; but otherwise, you have to accurately display everything.

>tfw rng will be illegal by 2021

>>14022064

if dubs the poster that I'm replying to dies a horrible death

>>14022069

Too bad.

>>14022069

whats the rng rate of that drop?

>>14021780

Someone post the "don't you think we are complaining as bad as SJWs?" normal person mask pic.

>>14022064

trips = prediction true

>>14022069

Shitty gatcha rates permeate our entire universe.

>>14022064

>tfw getting partyv& for dubsposting without a license

>>14022044

You asked for proof of a legal precedent, it's already a law that was created after this fiasco. Even if the lawsuit did not go through the regulation did.

>>14022125

I asked you to cite the lawsuit you said occurred, you illiterate nigger.

>>14021764

Gambling addiction has been a thing long before millennials, you'd know this if you weren't obviously a millennial yourself.

>>14021783

A large portion of F2P games on mobile are made in China, and you aren't going to sue jack shit in China.

>>14022348

No but the Chinese government will, they've been cracking down on gacha for awhile now.

>>14022371

The Chinese government already requires there to be ways to get items you can get from lootboxes without spending money, that children not be allowed to purchase lootboxes. and a full disclosure of what the items from lootbox does and the rates for getting said item all be clearly displayed. https://archive.is/2Z4HM

>>14022348

Chinese companies make a profit in Western states without having to show the figures to the glorious Party, who do you think will they pay, the kid in Tolouse who spent a hundred yurops on berries and roulettes or the system that is so great and works so well they kill millions for every misstep?

>>14021808

Nobody over 20 actually thinks the free market is self-regulating by nature. This idea bases itself on people being rational and responsible with their money. Do you think this is the case?

>>14021693

If saving the retards from themselves means I don't end up with Shadow of War tier kikery, then so be it.

>>14022482

The chinks just don't want the jews out-jewing them.

>>14021658

Not three months ago a Destiny 2 player counted pixels on his monitor over the course of a week and compared notes to determine Bungie was lying about XP rates. What makes you think something more popular (Hearthstone, for instance) will undergo less scrutiny?

>>14022328

Only millenials are gambling addicts

>>14021777

>>14021764

Niggers, if you were born prior to 1980s and are still posting here, then you can't act smug.

>>14022761

Millenials are there to look worst than the mongrel memer beaners that is Gen Z.

>>14021780

>implying we are the ones buying this shit

>implying whales won't fucking ruin everything if all we do is watch

I don't want to the government messing with my vidya either, but a simple boycott from people who don't even support this shit in first place won't fix anything

>>14022761

not a thing right

>>14022761

>How Millennials are ruining the workforce

Now that's a funny headline.

>>14021808

Your nose is showing. Go get your shekels somewhere else scum.

>>14022845

Holy fuck this.

>"Millenials are killing the workforce!"

>"Millenials can't find jobs!"

I've seen both of these headlines now. I mean what the fuck do the high school educated, retired at 65 boomers want? Second and third homes? 4 cars? Fuck enjoy what you got, the Millenials and everyone after them aren't getting shit.

Still not going to make mobileshit good. Though hopefully this takes off and kills a big chunk of these shit games.

>>14023291

Lol no people drop THOUSANDS in Granblue.

>>14021780

OY VEY MY E-GAMBLING SHEKELS ARE SLIPPING AWAY BY THE MINUTE

I CAN FEEL THEIR SMELL WEAKENING

>>14023871

Says the millenial.

>>14021780

nice bait faggot

>>14022122

I'm going to need to see your license before I check these dubs

>>14021835

>For example the lootbox in overwatch will sometimes glow the same color as legendary skins for no reason other than to trigger a dopemine rush. It's fucking insidious.

Wow, just wow. Incredible that someone even thought of a false trigger like that.

>>14022761

>All those headlines

I'm expecting "how millennials killed clickbait style newspaper headlines" next

Wowoo, looks like Apple has our back!

I can't wait to buy an Iphone X now.

Gamers WIN!

>>14024401

It's not all that impressive given that we've had centuries to figure out how people work. Even if it's only roughly that often good enough for con artists and people making addictive video games.

>>14022077

No, because that picture is fucking stupid.

>>14021904

>barenstain

oh shit

>>14021658

People are mega-autistic about this kind of thing. Back when WoW was released Blizzard was intentionally obfuscating practically all the fucking mechanics from aggro to attack tables to proc rates to spell damage coefficients and adamantly refused to be helpful in this regard. It was majorly fucking retarded how hard they were trying to shut down mechanical analysis because they were worried about it disadvantaging the casuals. The playerbase autistically tested all the fucking mechanics and calculated the numbers and behaviors for themselves and then wrote shittons of analyses giving all the numbers anyway.

Gamblers are similarly autistic about their projected odds and charting their actual performance since being lucky and exceeding the projected odds always makes their dicks hard. In today's day and age it's not very hard to have a spreadsheet anyway.

>>14021693

You're taking the individual responsibility approach on this. The government's situation is a bit different, since they notice there are entirely too many retards in the world who will become addicted to gambling and become complete fucking failures and overall worthless detriment to society as a result of it. This is why the government regulates gambling for society's good, because even if you can legitimately blame the individuals for being stupid enough to go down that road, it's still society's problem to have a large population of gambling addicts. You can blame drug addicts for being stupid enough to do drugs too, but you sure as fuck don't want to live in a neighborhood with drug addicts. You know you'll have crazy fuckers stealing shit, being temperamental nutters, and so forth. Gambling addicts are similarly disposed to resort to insane shit to fund their addiction. Even if it's their fault for fucking up their own lives, that doesn't mean their shitty lives should become someone else's problem.

Passing laws to keep this retarded shit under control and out of the hands of retards who will not only ruin their own lives with it but also fuck with the lives of those around them is just doing a favor to society. You can't really claim that this kind of gambling is in actually constructive or helpful for anyone other than the gambling enterprises.

>>14021658

Breaking gambling laws is serious shit. These companies aren't big enough to pay their way out of that kind of lawsuit.

>>14021667

>Chinks trying to prevent their companies from doing anything

You could make a less retarded lie

>>14021658

i work as developer for ios

this is how you get your app to store:

1. submit build for apple to review

2. they will most likely reject your build because you forgot some minor detail on one of your pay dialogs

3. submit new build

example: we are scummy corporation and we set subscription to auto-renewal (you have to opt out so you wont get billed when your subscription expires)

apple rejected multiple builds until we placed the autorenewal information in big letters on the pay screen and pay dialog

also they said if we make this shit more they will remove all our company products from the store

apple store is some tight shit and they have complete control over it

>>14026122

Reverse psychology works. But no seriously, that picture is pretty dumb and misused.

>>14021833

>peer pressure is a new phenomenon to 2017

where are you from?

>>14023871

now imagine the next generation:

the generation born from the late 2000's - early 2010's that grew up using ipads while in diapers, watch Elsa Frozen videos, LPrs, spend their parents credit cards on Brazilian Chink google play store games, and are even more mongrelized than Gen Z memer beaners.

>>14026179

Besides that you'd have to say goodbye to cryptography, games benefit from RNG in countless ways.

https://jmtd.net/log/deterministic_doom/

Heck, randomized drops can be enjoyable, but it becomes insidious when real money gets involved, or if the odds aren't balanced such as Diablo II ones in singleplayer.

>>14026179

>no variation ever

>strategy guides make a comeback and tell people exactly how to win

>bots become better at video games than humans

>you no longer have any worth

>>14026179

I think most people appreciate the little bits of randomness that prevent games from becoming solved like >>14026210

I for one prefer a damage range to a solid "this is the amount of damage you'll always do no matter what" in almost all kinds of games.

>>14026210

>>14026349

One thing I forgot to mention but don't feel like redoing my reply.

So you're telling me that Humans only defense from bots is rng bullshittery?

If that's the case "skill" in video games never existed.

>>14026349

and here he is. already trying to sell us strategy guides

>>14022761

>Millenials have officially ruined brunch

Oh shit did I miss the vote?

I didn't realize we were officiating this.

Brunch is an important part my day and it will make my life much harder if millennials have ruined it.

>>14026584

Yeah you missed the vote. It's too bad how it turned out, but brunch is ruined now. I'm sorry for your loss.

>>14026565

I'd like to interject that you are correct but there's more to it.

It's true that RNG is used as an abstraction of all the factors governing how a bullet will travel once it's fired, much Hit Points are an abstraction of how much punishment someone can take before keeling over.

However, similarly to HP where you have games that instead track individual limbs, organs or different types of damage to each one, you also have other details when firing a gun that could be integrated into the game like overheating, wind direction, weapon condition, ammo used, shooting stance and similar.

The question becomes then "how many variables do you want to give the player?" Give them too few and it's a very basic and simple game. Give them too much and it might require autistic APM or attention to too many details, detracting from the experience.

As with all else, the correct choice is a healthy middle ground (depending on the type of game you are making) where the player has enough variables he can influence so the outcome feels like a consequence of his actions rather than RNG while also not having so many variables that you spend more time computing them than actually firing your gun.

A curious and debatable example of this tends to be JRPG's actually. Despite the heavy usage of RNG in the game, you still know the odds and there are several mechanics to influence those odds. The final outcome has a lot of chance to it but the game still asks you for enough input that you can juggle those odds in your favour.

>>14026122

Losing sight of why we oppose SJWs and the flaws in their way of thinking is a legitimate problem and you're not helping with that kind of simplistic strawman.

>>14026673

Well RNG typically serves to add some unpredictability on top of core mechanics. As the simple example, damage might have a ±% applied but it'd be secondary to major modifiers like weaknesses/resistances, where you're aiming, whether you're using the right weapon for the situation, etc. Generally RNG should be biased towards the middle results too to reduce "streaks" of bad luck, as some later Tetris games do to the piece generator so you don't often get the same piece repeatedly, or find yourself starving for an I-block.

In the context of AI behaviour, some randomness is essential lest you end up with boring predictable enemies, or at least heavily exploitable ones once you understand their triggers. But they need some constraints or you've got average Pokémon trainers.

Absolutely agree on deciding where to draw the line for complexity. Because for a game like SotN there's just too much clutter piled on that has a marginal effect, if any, on top of a game that's too easy. Some of the Classicvanias, despite low randomness, are much tighter designed, and later Metroidvanias do a better job at deciding what's needed too.

Ultimately, like anything in a game, it needs to be a considered inclusion, not just thrown in because it's standard, or expected, or the current "in" thing. That's lazy and part of the reason most AAA games are so bad.

>>14026828

>In the context of AI behaviour, some randomness is essential lest you end up with boring predictable enemies, or at least heavily exploitable ones once you understand their triggers. But they need some constraints or you've got average Pokémon trainers.

That's not AI. I think you meant "NPC behavior"

>>14026856

>that's not my personal definition of AI so it's wrong because I don't understand the concept of context

AI in videogames is the part of the code that dictates the decisions that the NPC's choose to do, so even a decision tree is AI.

It's not the classical definition of AI but we aren't talking about classical AIs either, the context is videogames.

>>14022595

Yes it does. But nothing stops the place it regulates itself to from resembling hell as closely as fuck. Read up on Prisoner's Dilemma, for example.

>>14021808

Free market principles don't work on lootboxes because they aren't subject to traditional laws of supply and demand you fucking idiot, only >1% of the players are responsible for 90% of all income from lootboxes and mtx in all cases.

These types of business practices wouldn't occur period in a healthy free market economy, mostly because they bubble quickly and saturate easily, but we don't have a fucking healthy free market economy, now do we, idiot?

These are two bit kikes trying to profit off of vidya and pump and dump it.

Granted, a crash is exactly what needs to happen, but seeing as mobile hasn't hit saturation point yet, that's still a long way off.

"muh free market" only works if its an actual fucking free market. Which this isn't.

Then again you're probably a corporatist larping as a libertarian.

>>14027078

>it's like pretending you give your money freely to the government, because you're such a good citizen - when in reality they steal it from you under threat of violence

You can fuck right off to whatever political board you want to discuss the merits of Capitalism\Communism instead of shitting the videogames board by politically charge everything that's debated here.

But I'll give you a free tip: There's more than 2 answer to this problem besides Right and Left. Most people don't give money to the government just because they are good goys or because they are too scared of the consequences. Some just understand what living in society actually entails and think a little bit ahead unlike you. You have as much legitimacy complaining about taxes as you have to say that insurance companies are stealing money from you or that saving money into an account is theft as well.

The consequences for not contributing to society are actually far, far worse than just the police showing up in your house, but you can't see that because you take everything else for granted until you lose it.

So it's no wonder that this is exactly how you see this issue here. That you either have no regulation or you have a Ministry of Gambling dedicated specifically to classify and control what games are considered gambling and what games are even allowed to exist. You only operate on extremes.

Meanwhile, everyone with a functioning brain or simple people that are more concerned about the reality of situation instead of the ideology behind it see that these games are not being made illegal, just regulated. They can still operate like they used to but they have to be more honest about it. In the end, the only thing that's gonna happen is that they can't swindle as easily as before and that's it.

A completely free market is utter shit, ripe for opportunists to take advantage of the market or heavily manipulate it for their own benefit and history is so full of examples of this shit that your ignorance isn't even funny. Nobody is requesting some PEGI system for gambling with some games completely removed from the market nor that gambling and RNG are entirely removed and neither is this law or measure designed for any of that shit.

No regulation is just as bad as no regulation. You need the right amount and that's that.

>>14027119

You're an idiot.

Lootboxes and prizes are what's being discussed here, not game mechanics. And if you think you can boil them down to that, you're also an idiot.

A crit that doubles your damage with a 5% chance is merely a 5% increase in damage over all. Unless the whole game was a single attack, probability and a nice bell curve still applies.

>>14027140

>Free market principles don't work on lootboxes

More like digital goods don't work on lootboxes.

You can't have "supply and demand" for something that has infinite supply, to begin with. You can't even gauge how much something costs since it would only be the salary of who made it multiplied by how many hours it took plus the electrical bill, but that's not even close to it's actual value.

There's also the Star Citizen example where people paid full price for JPEGs.

There was no chance, no gambling, they fully well knew exactly what they were paying for and still did!

It amazes me how people are even willing to put up with a game having lootshit. The last thing I want in a game I'm immersed in is a fucking add telling me to buy shit with money.

>>14027234

It's the main reason I stopped playing Planetside 2 actually.

I fucking swear that at any single point in any HUD at all, there's always a flashing icon somewhere related to a way where you can spend real money for some shit.

Because that's just the thing I want, whenever I'm under fire from the oposing faction, a small button reminding me I could buy credits to unlock some hot pink camo for my gun.

The funny thing is that some Devs have been way more successfull at drawing money from my wallet just by being humble and making a good game, which is why I still buy good games.

>>14027234

Have you ever seen the shit normalfags do? TV, sports, the internet without adblocking, it's all filled with fucking ads. Some people even look forward to advertisements like they are entertainment. I don't like it but I'm not surprised either.

>>14021808

>vote with your wallet meme

>whales outvote anyone on this board 10-1 if they are poor whales

Nice meme you got there anon, can I have some more?

>>14021649

They have loot boxes in mobile games? Well, I don't care about mobile games since I don't play them but I really wish steam did this for pc games.

>>14021780

>muh "gubment" bogeyman

Holy shit kill yourself you fucking cancer.

The government fucking over all lootboxes in videogames would be a good thing you stupid fucking shill. Paying for lootboxes is a retarded cancer that should die. Go fellate a shotgun you retard.

>>14027078

Nigger, the only retards in this thread are the morons like you who let their irrational fear of government overtake any fucking sense of context. Yes, regulating games as gambling would be a government regulation. That's a good thing.

>but but no one will know what is gambling and what is not if there's a law about e-gambling!!!!

>autistic rambling about random shit that is not related to vidya

>any law must be thousands of pages!!!

No, you're just a fearmongering retard who thinks a length of verbiage is the same thing as an intelligent argument. There are in fact laws and regulations that are just a single page long. Most of the regulations will probably be "disclose RNG odds you fucking nigger" variety. What constitutes gambling or not will likely boil down to a consumer making a choice where he is led into a state of uncertainty about his return or otherwise engages a random chance mechanic which returns a virtual good. You don't need to slice that into a 1000 pages of confusing text. If your mechanics devolve into e-gambling with real money, you probably deserve to be regulated as a gambling enterprise.

Don't be a legal autist if you don't have what it takes to understand the law. Your ability to be a retard when reading rules and regulations does not justify removing perfectly good laws for fear of your small brain being too confused to do shit. Any videogame developer who is too stupid to understand whether or not his mechanics are gambling was probably too stupid to make a decent game anyhow.

>>14027078

>Casinos are tax houses

>taxes are something you can easily avoid with a modicum of self control

>taxes are something you willingly subject yourself to because of your own weakness of character

>boohoo someone save me from myself.

Fuck off soyboy. Grow a pair and take responsibility for your own actions. If you think casinos are tax houses then just don't gamble. It's easy as fuck and also the correct decision to make 100% of the time.

>>14027183

>A crit that doubles your damage with a 5% chance is merely a 5% increase in damage over all

<I'm about to admit that I played LoL

This is only true against damage sponges where you have to attack them all day. When you go down in about 1-4 hits, which is very real at the end game, a few lucky crits can bring it down to 1-2 hits, which can mean the dead player can no longer has the time he expected to do something important for the rest of his team, (like killing another high-priority opponent that goes down in 1-4 hits), and wind up losing the game. If you only needed 2000 dmg to kill, that 5% of 500 dmg is 525 over a long enough spread of attacks, but in that short time span, those lucky crits suddenly bumped it to 1000 dmg. Remember that statistics fall apart when trying to analyze really small sample sizes.

It's also why people find tryndamere's passive so disruptive in the early game, where it could take 15-20 hits to kill someone. Even at full rage, it's only like 7% crit chance, but those errant crits deplete enough of the enemy's HP that they need to withdraw from the action, giving a lead to the enemy. 7% bonus of 30 dmg is only 32 dmg. it shouldn't be that disruptive. hell, if tryndamere's passive never results in a crit before he lands a kill, that "real" 32 dmg might as well have been 30 the whole time. What people complain about is when that 7% is represented as 25% because of a few lucky crits bringing down the amount hits to kill from 15-20 to 10-15.

Fights in LoL simply don't last long enough for for small crit chances to simply be taken for granted like 0% or 90+% chance would.

You're an idiot.

>>14021780

>Your hysteria over lootboxes is going to end up with goverment fuckery in video games

OH YES PLEASE

>>14026971

>>14022761

It's basically them getting angry that they're saving money after they were told to stop spending money on superfluous shit.

>>14030104

If they're effectively double damage, a critical can easily swing an individual fight when it happens, and especially if it's multiple on the same enemy. And as you said, if a champion dies, it has knock-on effects to the entire match, the win condition. Similarly, a single win in a game like Poker is irrelevant. It's always down to long-term stats because any random scrub can roll a royal flush.

>>14028589

Even masters of guns have their limits though.

>>14030237

>yes please

Nobody likes ratings boards.

>>14027183

>More like digital goods don't work on lootboxes.

>You can't have "supply and demand" for something that has infinite supply

I agree with all of your post, but it's kinda neat that cryptocurrencies managed to create digital scarcity: you can't copy a bitcoin.

I wonder if that digital scarcity might lead to any funny ideas.

>>14022024

You mean anime in general, right?

>>14021658

Developers only lie about things they can get away with if they are caught anyway. They can't get away with this if they are caught.

>>14021649

I wouldn't be surprised if this actually increases player base. When people know odds like this it makes it competitive.

>>14031801

>>14030104

>>14027183

>>14027119

You people are discussing the randomness of players earning money. It's not gambling if you don't have to invest anything. If you are talking about betting on the winners being gambling, well, in horse race betting, there's always a chance the horse you bet on might trip over itself or have a stroke and die and the racetrack. The thing that keeps this from being gambling is the fact that that chance is just a small amount of randomness in a mostly skill based game. That combined with the fact that you are investing on someone else's performance, and not yours, which is removed from the influence of yours and the houses influence.

>>14033079

>implying horse races are flawless

They rig those all the time by doing something as simple as not letting the horse drink water on race day.

It's not even animal cruelty it just won't have the breath to win the race.

>>14021950

Deluding yourself into thinking you matter is nature's anti-depressant. Everyone smart enough to understand their place in the universe is depressed.

>>14033731

Either way, I doubt they do that to e-sports professionals.

>>14033731

Horse races are barbaric.

>>14034121

Other way around, people without purpose are more susceptible to despair.

>>14026565

Wrong. Bullet always goes where the barrel is pointed. Always. There is no random variations, bullets don't leave the muzzle at an angle. Its muzzle velocity is offset marginally by gunk in the barrel and gunpowder weight. Its direction is then offset by wind and gravity off straight line path mid-flight. Skilled marksman accounts very well for those just by making mental calculations. After the shot the barrel will flex and the gun will thrust and torque. The bullets will still come out exactly in the direction the barrel is pointed. And when it enters the body, it will cause a very specific hydrostatic shockwave cavitation, rupturing very specifically located blood vessels and internal organs in within specific volume. It's just video game programmers are noguns faggots who have absolute zero fucking clue how guns work, so they just think it's random. And the players being faggots of the same magnitude, think that random is indeed how it is.

>>14035827

Which is to say, none of the game mechanics come anywhere close to where things start to actually get random i.e. quantum wave function collapse effects.

>>14021902

I play a waifu mobile phone game with that gacha shit, I enjoy it and I like the artwork. I didnt spend a dime on it because I don't know how to navigate nip sites or how to buy the nip space coins but the only other real reason I play it because I play other games on my PC and play that mobile game on downtimes. I would use my 3ds but those game require too much attention so I can only focus on one game at a time. Also, I would rather spend money on liqour or computer parts than some mobile game that require literally hundreds of hours to be any decent at it.

With all the shit talk going on I still don't get what the end game is supposed to be.

Showing odds for every "loot box" will not stop people with addictions from gambling. People go to casinos knowing full well the mathematical odds.

Or would you rather there be laws that enforce games with these mechanics to be rated 21+, so publishers start doing the same with movies and swear words, where the end products just ends up being even more sanitized and bland than they already make them.

Either way I think the mindset of "fuck the big corporations" has blinded some people to the long term effects of this controversy

>>14036559

It's to make it at least a little more "fair" and clear cut to the players.

Lootshit still sucks and I never partake in playing stuff that has it, but consider that many overly-obsessed players with autistic levels of said obsession go around and actually try the odds, figuring out that shit isn't as advertised. Example right on point was mentioned by >>14022649 .

Just look at Granblue Fantasy's messy story. Loot/gacha games are already predatory enough, but having to publish the actual rates can prevent shit like "Oh hey, in this special weekend X items have Y chance, go ahead and buy more shit, goy!" (when the actual chance is Y/50)

I hope with developers like activision copping massive flak for their actions and their titles and distribution platforms taking their own measures to vet loot boxes, states don't feel that it's necessary or are able to justify whatever ridiculous bills and legislation they try to pass. I think it's pretty rich that they're waiting until now to actually step in, at what point did they decide that this was anti-consumer? Because you'd think the blatant false advertisement, failure to deliver on contracts, and violations of consumer law would have been what pissed off the government but no, it's this. Hell I'll fucking bet that all they're trying to do here when everything is said and done, is get their slice of tax revenue out of it by applying gambling tax law under the guise of dissuading people from doing it.

>Mobage

I hear this thrown around every now and then but never in a conversation I cared about enough to google it, it sounds like the japanese term for a mobile game? What's the correlation between that and this?

>>14021658

I've had to submit an application to the appstore at work. This isn't a trivial thing to lie about and they're already absolute cunts about the whole review process. You might be able to pull a fast one on them, but if somebody pointed out that it seems off apple can pull up the source themselves and check, if they see you're lying, or even smell something fishy, they'll just pull your app from the store and ban/suspend your account.

>>14036685

Pretty much as you said. Contraction of 'mobile' and 'game'. Does not apply to 3DS/Vita/PSP, but strictly to mobile phone/smartphone games.

The correlation is that lootshit and stuff like stamina/fuel/<some other shit you need to refill to keep playing> is a mechanic born in, and common in mobage, which are usually free to play but have MTX as optional 'skip grinding' and 'play with perks' functions.

On console/PC main gaming however, you get AAA games that already costed you $60 or more (for 'shitty dlc included that will be all free in an upcoming Gold/GOTY edition') and yet they still try to gouge more money out of players. In competitive scenes, the hardcore fans outright REEEEEEE at this kind of stuff when the lootshit includes stuff like stat bonuses or special OP weapons since it kills the competitive aspect. Cosmetic crap is popular and liked enough, as TF2 and Overwatch show.

Consoles still have free-to-play but MTX optional games - Warframe being one of them - and it seems to be quite popular. So it can be done, but here comes EA and fucks it all up. Their 'pride and accomplishment' answer not only became reddit's worst rated comment so far, but there are also t-shirts with the phrase… That's how bad it was.

>>14022064

>all games required by law to have good clean deterministic programming

>pajiits and other talentless hacks who rely on RNG in place of good code end up going out of business

Looks like a bright future.

>>14026565

>On the flip side, purely deterministic games would be boring as shit

So, the entire RTS genre basically. As they need to be deterministic and lockstep in order to function online.

>>14035827

Like I said, it's predictable, if you're omniscient and perfect. But no shooter is, you only need to look at olympic-level shooting and archery to see that. There's variations between each shot, and they have time and no other distractions to worry about compared to say, a combat situation in a FPS game. The gun itself matters too, see MoA ratings. Now, no game is going to go full simulate the universe to model something like that, but I'll agree on one thing: They could at least try to model RNG that is reasonably consistent with how guns work.

>>14037656

Doom is deterministic too, its RNG is literally a table of 256 numbers that loops. This means for example you can never get upper and lower damage ranges on the BFG9000. But for individual events there is inherent randomness caused by what is actually calling the RNG in-game, as moving monsters use it, and sometimes it'll only be invoked if a monster can see the player to determine when to fire. It isn't predictable to the player and it's more than adequate for that game.

>>14036219

This is why you be a tertiaryfag, if anything, for most of those types of games.

>>14036685

I prefer "mobile garbage". It's an unfortunate portmanteau.

>>14036840

I'll just say that even though I've seen paid upgrade items in certain games, like in Neptunia, sometimes they are free, and more importantly, the game itself is beatable without them and doesn't constantly nag me about it.

>>14021649

Anyone that's stupid enough to pay for that shit deserve to get screwed.

>>14021780

Except what we are getting banned is p2w gambling being forced on children

>>14021777

PERSONAL

RESPONSIBILITY

PERSONAL

RESPONSIBILITY

PERSONAL

RESPONSIBILITY

>>14035742

>implying anyone has a purpose

>>14038465

Everyone's purpose is fucking and dying.

>>14038617

tbh if they banned video games it would be great.

Normalfags would be too scared of the gubbermint, and parents wouldn't let their 12 year olds near them just because they're illegal.

We'd have video games anyway, they would be low budget underground works of love.

It would bring a new golden age to gaming.

>>14038617

Nice strawman, fuckwit. His post clearly was pointing out that you niggers want them to ban games from companies you don't like, or games that have mechanics you don't like - not games in general. In any case you and all of the rest of you government-dick-sucking retards are just so: Retarded.

GOVERNMENT LEAVE!!!! If you fuck with the video games 1776 will commence again!!!!

>>14021780

We've been not buying them for years faggot. It makes jack bit of difference as long as there are a few idiots who go and spend thousands on them regardless of what we do.

I just want lootboxes to be legally defined as gambling worldwide and see all the companies using them sued into oblivion for promoting gambling to children.

>>14022153

Japan isn't common law you tard. If they already have laws regulating a given activity, that's it. There's no required precedent like there is in common law.

>>14031801

Actually I love ratings boards.

It was the compromise with Christfags. Put a PEGI18 on it and anyththing goes.

>>14021764

>Millennials

Ever visited a pub ever during the day? Nothing but oldies at slot machines.

>>14039321

In addition

>On average it costs a house deposit to get thing you want. Are you sure?

>>14022064

You sort of need RNG for games based on risk management. If you knew what the enemy is going to do every time for a turn based tactics game, it destroys a lot of the challenge.

>government regulating vidya

The correct way to counter lootboxes and shit is to NOT BUY THEM, giving the goverment any influence over anything is the wrong move.

>>14039495

>Nothing but oldies at slot machines.

Those are millennials in disguise, retard

>>14021780

>DRM

>mandatory 3rd party or affiliate client to run the game

>day 1 patches

>DLC

>microtransactions

>lootboxes & gambling

>just let it happen

If only people had the virtue, self-restraint, tastes, and standards to buy good games with good business practices would your ideals work, but instead we have a massive influx of people who have none, thus the most profitable and exploitative business practices were pursued. And unlike the physical world, we can't enact border controls or barriers to prevent such people from entering gaming.

If you still insist on "vote with your wallet", just know that 90% or more of players do not actually buy microtransactions and instead it is a very small percentage of big, addictive spenders (whales).

The principle is not effective anymore if it was ever to begin with.

>>14045545

>hey goy stop having different opinions ok

>also im based like you look how i use le davids star

>>14045856

>y-youre just a shill

>dont disagree with mE REEEE

are you 10 my dude

>>14045545

It's better to publicly humiliate than ban you retard.

kill every fag, kike, jew, heeb, yid, kike, and millennial

they're all cancer

>>14021764

I know this is bait but~

>Millennials

>story mentions a wife and children old enough to ask questions

They're in their early 30s at minimum…

Oh and reminder Valve are one of the progenitors of this system. The whole hats thing, where they banned people who used the idle tool because it allowed you to beat the system by minimising RNG and without any power cost to yourself. I suspect that's also why they removed the super low graphics console commands so you can't make profit as easily…

>>14021780

>X is bad and I don't buy it

>Somehow I'm still upset

>Now I want the government involved. Because it has a pristine track record of fixing stuff with the people in it's best interest

Fucking hell stupid niggers, when we post rage threads oves retarded localization and retarded loot boxes the point is to laugh at stupid nigger retards who buy them. You get more games you like by supporting games you like by buying them.

>>14048984

You are doing something about it. Also bans are easily diverted. Stay mad faggot.

>>14048796

>30 isn't old enough to have a kid old enough to ask questions

>>14022024

Hey, at least it's something compared to the level of shit in America where blank canvases can get sold for $15 million dollars.

>>14048796

Holy flying shit-eating fuck, you stupid motherfucking kike. You’re supposed to have your first kids in your early 20s. Your kids are going to school before you’re 30. “Millennials” were born after 2001. Don’t fucking accept jewish newspeak and redefinition of words.

>>14059663

>born after 2001

That's Gen Z you retard.

>>14059663

>having kids in your early 20s

Yes goy, embrace the debt.

>>14059693

Biologically speaking, your early 20s are the best time to have kids, even if it isn't economically feasible for most today

>>14059663

>You’re supposed to have your first kids in your early 20s

Only women. for men 30 is optimal age.

>>14021742

>that spacing

fuck off reddit stacking faggot.

>>14059677

>oy vey muh jewish terms are right because they are right

>ignore words and their definitions

Yawn.

>>14059693

>oy vey don’t do what thirteen thousand years of human history has done and which medical science says is the healthiest thing to do

Yawn.

>>14059715

>not even remotely attempting to have an argument.

Yawn.

>>14060390

FINALLY a reply not made by triggered kike shills. This statement is interesting. Why’s that?

>>14060513

>uses reddit spacing

>accuses someone who didn’t use reddit spacing of using reddit spacing

Really makes you think.

>>14060520

>im right cuz Jews

>>14060542

>you’re wrong cuz jews

Thanks for admitting I’m right. Holy fucking christ, kill yourself. Words have definitions, shlomo.

>>14060558

>it’s jewish ✡science✡ because the jews are purposely telling everyone to do the exact opposite of what it says to do

Take 10 seconds to think about your reply, please.

>>14060552

You're wrong because everyone who speaks about millennials are referring to people born from 1980-2000. They're millennials because their generation ends at the start of the millennium. I realize it might be more intuitive to call the generation that begins with the new millennium, millennials, but that's not how people use the term.

>>14060520

>>oy vey don’t do what thirteen thousand years of human history has done

Yeah, well I have higher aspirations than just trying to survive the winter.

>and which medical science says is the healthiest thing to do

Late 20's is perfectly healthy and gives you a much better life.

>>14060595

>oy vey everyone says so that makes it true

Jump off a fucking cliff, you pathetic lemming.

>>14060674

>oy vey muh winter survival

Nigger detected. Not only because you have no comprehension of planning for the future, but also because you have no reading comprehension and can’t understand what’s being discussed here.

>late 20s is perfectly healthy

Thanks for asserting something that no one questioned, you illiterate dumbfuck.

>>14060699

>everyone says it's true means it's true

When it comes to language, yes. That's how it fucking works. I can't just claim "OOGA BOOGA" means molecule, because it doesn't.

>>14060705

>ooga booga doesn't mean molecule

That's just what (((they))) want you to think.

>let's make the government decide how games should be made, what could go wrong

This is what soygamers are saying.

Just don't give your credit card to kids and don't play games with lootshits.

>>14021808

>just ignore it and it will go away

has this EVER been true?

>>14060699

>Not only because you have no comprehension of planning for the future

Having kids before you're financially stable is what I'd call "no comprehension of planning for the future."

Granblue and all other mobage should be banned from the board.

>>14060817

>everyone is financially unstable when I say they are

For fuck’s sake.

>>14060705

>I can’t just claim x means y because it doesn’t

Thanks for admitting ‘millennial’ doesn’t mean what jews say it means.

>>14021819

>All these people screaming for government intervention are phenomenal retards

>I trust the purchasing decisions of these phenomenal retards to inform and optimize the market

It's a self-defeating proposition. A totally free market is only viable if you make the assumption that people are rational actors looking out for their best interests. They are not. They are, by and large, ignorant consumer sheep who follow brands and trends because they either do not have the time, motivation, or willpower to research for themselves or exercise any sort of purchasing principles.

The free market is little more than an evolving machine that generates money by finding ever new and innovative ways of shaving the flesh of it's consumers ever closer to the bone. There is no concern for quality, safety, health, or civic responsibility. Just profit at any cost.

>>14060817

>create economic climate that forces people to either wait until the end of their reproductive viability to have one autistic child or be economically destitute

>refuse to allow the state to fix your fucking mess because you think you deserve your pension and that niggers are people

<why are millenials so irresponsible also why is the white race in decline???

>>14061866

>the end of their reproductive viability

40 is pretty far off from late 20s, anon.

>>14021780

>Crying to authorities to get shit banned is exactly what SJWs do.

And pretending there's no problem and trying to play down controversy when an egregious breach of ethics is being committed by an entity (((they))) benefit from is also what SJWs do.

>>14062971

30 is the start of the danger zone for women, anon.

>>14039321

Even better: Divide the amount of gatcha rolls the minimum increment of paid ingame currency gets you with the price for an effective price per roll. Make prices be reported reported as price_per_roll * (1/chance). For a game where it costs $5 to buy monopoly money for 2.5 lootboxes thus essentially costing $2 per roll, the effective price for a 1/10000 rarity item would be reported as $20,000. The lance Saber would be $38,129.

>>14063120

Using the equation you gave the average cost to get a Titty Arturia is 122.5$ if you do the least efficient route. And drops down to 69$ if you buy in bulk at most efficient dollar to roll exchange. Which is easy to calculate as Japanese law already requires published drop rates.

>>14063087

>for women

Are you a woman?

>>14026158

As long as the judge listens.

>>14048363

Hey reddit, you posted kike twice

>>14060520

Look up the word "millennial" you fucking moron. It refers to people born in the 80s and 90s. You're a millennial, dumbfuck.

>>14039321

Ditto. Gachashit is a cancer ruining the industry. It fucking blows when you have real devs with good games to their resume reduced to working fucking mobile making awful shit because that's where the jobs are now.

>>14063107

The idea is that they should start making laws on the matter, you know. Ideally better ones than Japan's shit since clearly Japan still has a major problem with gachashit.