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>>13943438

>grindan

>dark souls

Nigger you have no idea what you're talking about.

This generally applies to RPGs that all too often have low difficulty when played in a standard manner. Although sometimes bosses just become overlong damage sponges.

Tachibana Muneshige, m8

>>13943444

>he doesn't grind for hours and defeat every boss through the sheer numerical advantage of being dozens of levels higher than you should be

Wow, get a load of this fag. I bet you're actually good at videogames too.

Super Metroid's bosses are definitely more interesting on a minimal/speed run.

>>13943622

that's only fun if the boss is actually designed for it, like the final bosses in both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls.

All games, so long as you win. Nothing beats that feel of killing a boss much stronger while you weren't even nearly as strong as you could have been.

>>13943434

>Are there any game's boss fights that become more fun when you're character is under-leveled or otherwise unprepared as you are supposed to be when you enter the fight?

pretty much any game that does let you prepare, no?

>>13943851

Unarmored X really works wonders for the playstation trilogy outside of X6 because that's just asking for 0 fun

>>13943798

>>13943829

It's not always the case.

In a certain metroidvania game I got lost and fuoght a boss that was extremely strong, fast and tanky. I had to abuse his patterns in a very obtuse way in order to actually hit it with consumable items and it was still very difficult to pull of. Only to get nothing as a reward because I didn't have the item that used the thing that was in the room it was protecting.

Later checking my achievments, I noticed I got one for actually managing to kill said boss without the "time stop" item, that was apparently the intended way to dealing with it.

>>13943851

Just use a password to get around Chill Penguin's stage without the boots. Nothing in Sigma's stages requires them, if you're wondering.

>>13943878

Where's the fun in that? The best part about playing unarmored X is being a glass cannon, go fast, hit hard, get hit hard. You'd say "oh but muh third charge", X2 and X3 the third charge roots you in place, X4,X5 the armor charge shot is stupidly OP because of the plasma residue.

>>13943857

It really doesn't. Minimalist runs of the post-SNES X games really just make it extra apparent how bad the level design actually is in them.

I've always felt a boss's difficulty is best judged when a player is roughly the same level as they are. Of course if the player's level is too high the boss will be easy, and harder if the player's underleveled.

Basically if a boss isn't hard to beat unless the player intentionally gimps themselves it's not something they should fight if they want a genuine challenge.

The amount of difficulty the developer has with something shouldn't be considered reliable either, assuming they playtest *like me* because they literally made the game.

Of course none of this really applies to games without leveling mechanics/aren't touted as being difficult so eh.

More on topic the second fight with Sam in MGR is infinitely better if you only use your sword to fight his, no grenades/rockets/sai/pole/scissor blade bullshit.

>>13943893

Well it's kind of like playing X1 as a classical Mega Man game (with a smaller health bar). It was interesting for me at least to figure out how to dodge everything without the boots (especially Bospider and Sigma).

>>13943895

In my opinion I think what really stands out is not the level design, but the boss fights in X4 and X5 unarmored(with a few exceptions like fucking Dark Necrobat). And I kind of liked the more corridor based go fast and go precise type of movement the X4 and X5 games focused on, just not so much the execution of some levels.

>>13943921

I replay the original X games on minimalist all the time, but I've only done so once for the PS1 games just to say I did it.

>>13943895

Well, the levels were designed around using the armor, which is what I think it's the problem. Particularly X1. No dash makes everything a fucking pain. Armor is really enjoyable, but not armor is more for the challenge, and I honestly like how X looks without it.

>>13943866

its not always going to be the case but personally the sense of discovery is a very strong part of the vidya experience. after ive learned what to do the focus shifts to aptitude which is of course cool in its own way, but ill always miss whats lost forever.

>>13943926

He one hits you no matter what level you are, even my heavy armor clad 30+ character didn't stand a chance.

But I used satchel charges to cripple his legs and managed to gun him down before he reached me, what you did just sounds lame.

As a kid, I loved RPGs, but the problem was my group of friends and I didn't really appreciate them mechanically. We knew about weaknesses and shit, but not how important things like MAG-DEF would be in games like Final Fantasy

>SMRPG

>Mario+Bowser+Geno, because they all have the strongest attacks

>Lol what is magic def

>Lol what is speed

>Legend of Dragoon

>Dart+Kongol+Albert, because they all have the strongest attacks

>Lol what is magic def

>Lol what is speed

In LOD's case though, we always had a fucking awful time against the Divine Dragon and Grand Jewel. We used the trick where you transform for one turn, hit him hard, then change back. Divine Dragon was such a fucking meatgrinder to us, we always got walled by it.

Then we replayed it when we were actually adults (like 10 years ago), and saw that

>Items and dragoons are a source of magic damage

>DD is weak against magic

>Meru has the best magic attack stat

>ITEMS ARE A SOURCE OF MAGIC DAMAGE

>Won just by spamming heals and throwing firebombs with Meru with a fraction of the time, effort, and difficulty

Has this been posted yet?

>>13943926

Meh, if you're on a spot that they can't reach you they run back and forth to annoy you. Really takes the fun out of it, the one exception is if you're in one of those yellow tractors where the Deathclaws hang out, they circle the truck menacingly when you try to stealth out it's pretty thrilling.

A number of the bosses in MGR, particularly Blade Wolf are a lot more fun when you haven't figured out how to parry yet.

All of the bosses in Shovel Knight, and pretty much the entire game really. Once you've unlocked most of the items, you have an easy answer to fucking everything. Half the challenges in the game can be completely nullified, and it's not like conserving mana is hard.