/v/ - Video Games

AND BAYO 3 FUCKERS

>>13938417

Look at all those sources.

>>13938475

it was announced 10 real world seconds ago live dumbass. give it a minute.

>>13938497

>i-it was j-just announced!

You sound just as retarded as /leftypol/

>>13938524

bayo 3 is licensed by sega, not nintendo.

>>13938497

Nah, you’re just a lazy faggot. I found the source myself, though.

>>13938543

>large gaming stream happening right now

>surprised there are announcements going on

Do you do this at e3 too?

>>13938806

cemu my knigga

>>13938806

just a matter of time

>tfw fatal frame port fucking never and the series dies on the wii u.

>>13938524

Go back to halfchan with that shit

>still no bayo 2 PC port

I just want to play my lewd witch game without dropping hundreds on Nintendo's latest blunder.

>>13938894

>cemu

Does it actually work okay for the second game? I tried playing BotW a while back on it and it ran at like 14 FPS.

>>13938964

last time I checked I had to mute the audio during gameplay to prevent earrape, but cutscenes jhad proper audio and the actual gampeplay was fine.

The only thing keeping me from buying a Switch is the fact that online is still paid. I'm not enough of a Ninty dicksucker to deal with that, especially when they've had it free for the last two gens.

>>13939456

Platinum teased it around the same time as they teased Bayonetta on twitter. It's pretty much confirmed after today.

>>13939540

The only thing to really question is whether it's just a port or a sequel as well

>>13939696

>>Shit framerates and resolution

Did Bayo 2 had shit framerates on the WiiU?

I don't know what to make of this, Bayo 2 ended pretty much perfectly. Unless they hugely change up the gameplay somehow (and as much as I liked 2 it doesn't give any reason to think that they will) it just feels kind of unnecessary. I'm sure it'll probably be good but I'd have much preferred a The Wonderful 102 or something.

>>13939726

It hit 60 most of the time but the drops were horrendous

>>13939072

That's pretty dark, looks like Bayo's getting sliced in half there.

>>13939881

She's already been dark, shes been BLACKED.

>>13940300

She's canonically a virgin you moron

>>13940401

He's talking about a special move father rodin can do in his fight.

>>13940401

Why does this virgin act like a slut? Virgins cant be virgins forever, their pucci's get dusty and they go crazy.

>>13940560

Would be pretty cool to play as John.

>>13940074

>2018

>dolphin emulator now emulates switch console too

>>13940629

>PowerPC architecture is the same as a completely different nVidia architecture

There won't be a Switch emulator for years

>>13940629

Yea and BOTW still runs like garbage on it and that game is slow as shit.

Imagine playing Bayo at 10fps.

>>13938923

Fatal Frame 5 100% needs the gamepad. I don't think the emulated version is even playable. It can feasibly be done for the switch portable version but even that would need a significant overhaul.

>The VGAs was better than fucking E3

Isn't Bayonetta that really sexist game that pissed #GG off?

>>13939072

>exclusively for Nintendo Switch

Then what was the point of the PC port? Was 300k copies not successful enough for a 5 year old game?

>>13940886

Nintendo paid for development of Bayo 2, I imagine its the same with 3. Same reason you'll never see a PC port of Demon Souls or Bloodborne, Sony paid for part of their development.

>>13941003

50/50? I mean, Xenoblade 2 has Kos-Mos, i'd say anything is possible at this point.

>>13940961

If that were the case then SEGA wouldn't be listed as the main publisher for 3, maybe Nintendo still contributed enough to influence that. You'd think after the success of Automata and the recent ports Platinum would have enough influence to get funding with no strings attached.

>>13941012

I'm pretty sure SEGA has the same billing as they did in Bayo 2.

Which is, again, probably a result of the most likely scenario.

Nobody but Nintendo wants to fund Bayo, since the series doesn't sell.

>>13941012

Bayo is fun but it doesn't sell that well, odds are Nintendo is the only wiling to drop the money on it.

>>13941038

>>13941029

The PC port of 1 sold 320k copies despite being 5 years late, given how low budget these games are I'd figure thats pretty good. Am I wrong?

>>13941083

Nintendo payed lots of money to keep it a exclusive.

>>13941083

There were multiple articles claiming that Sega was extremely happy with Bayonetta's numbers, and it was when PC port reached 100k in its first week.

>>13941111

Do a simple google search my dude

>>13938806

Mario Maker fucking sucked though, if you're thinking of platformers DKC was worlds betters.

>>13941121

How come? Do they expect it to actually sell systems?

>>13941192

It worked for me with the wiiu

Worth noting that Japan is getting a special edition where both Bayonetta 1 and 2 are physical. Hopefully North America gets the same treatment.

>>13941121

More like they paid a lot of money for it to happen at all

>>13939072

Is that vergil?

Not until W101 and Tropical Freeze.

>>13939696

>>Bayo 3 Switch exclusive

>>Shit framerates and resolution

>Fuck

Meanwhile Skyrim on Switch looks and play better than Skyrim vr on PS4 Pro

>>13941442

"many sacrificies had to be made to make skyrim run smoothly on ps4"

Top kek, consoles truly are a joke.

>bayo 3

Sure, I guess I can always play more of those. But I have wonder how much more they can do with that universe. 2 seemed to be pushing it. Would have maybe preferred a new Platinum IP that continues to expand on the gameplay laid out in the first two Bayos, but we'll see.

>>13938964

>Does it actually work okay for the second game?

Framerate will depends on your toaster, there's a few issues but you can 100% the game

>>13941497

Anyone who played Bayo 2 on the WiiU and thought it ran okay has very low standards.

>>13941456

PS4 pro. Sony 4K console VR capable console

The only reason to still have a WiiU is Smash, and that will likely be ended soon as well.

>>13941167

There is no Switch emulator.

>>13941116

More complex hair requires more processing power.

>>13941660

>Game on other platforms with emulators for them or straight up better ports

>needing a switch emulator

Good job retard

>she goes from hot to incredibly not with one haircut

They fucking better shave her head or else the feminist crowd they wanted to so desperately please is happy.

also, why the FUCK did N acquire such a trivial franchise? god damn are they out of touch.

>>13941907

see >>13939072

>>13941937

thank fuck Cuphead is owned by Micropenisoft, I would never expect a 2D platofrmer cartoon boss rush game to come to Nintendo, never in a million years

>>13941955

>Thread about Bayonetta 1 and 2 ports

>b-but 3 dou

Nice goalpost moving nigga

>>13941973

Maybe you should learn to read

>>13941977

>Learn to read

The OP reads as follows:

BAYONETTA 1 AND 2 COMING TO SWITCH, WII U NOW COMPLETELY REDUNDANT

What a time to be alive.

See that part where it talks about 3, oh wait there isn't any, stay retarded

>>13941985

>See that part where it talks about 3, oh wait there isn't any, stay retarded

>>13938451

And learn2IDs too

>>13941998

>what is an addendum

>>13942002

>waaaaaah don't bully me

nothing personnel, kid

>>13942005

You need to be 18 to post on this site

>>13942175

yes goy pay your $10 a month for internet

I would like to get into Bayo, but with 2 being stuck on a console I will never own and emulation being far off, I don't want to bother. I at least could run DMC3 and 4 on PC, but just one Bayo game, especially with the announcement of 3, makes me not want to bother.

Nintendo should release 2 and 3 on PC some time after it launches for Switch. Make even more money.

>>13942396

The first game has all the depth anyway. Bayo 2 is a much better cathartic experience and it's still challenging enough but if you're looking for cuhrayzee depth it's also in 1. The reason is that it wasn't directed by an experienced director. Platinum at the moment seem to be focused on giving their juniors enough experience to produce better content, having moved away from original IPs for a bit. Additionally since nobody was willing to fund 2 except Nintendo, it'll probably never happen. You can blame the state of the industry for that.

>>13940074

>nintendo pays platinum to make bayo

>surprised when it's nintendo exclusive

>>13942425

Its been my thing for a while. Just go where the games are. Ps4's been great, lots of releases and more coming. Switch looks like its picking up but I'm not confident in it going forward, it seems like all its games are coming out but how will it be in 2 years? 3? Wii u had one solid year and the next year nothing just the switch announcement.

I miss what pc gaming was, but I don't care too much about playing console ports but a littlw better months down the line at best. So I don't care for it these days.

>>13942419

Dubs drawfag draws bayo slicing travis

>>13941516

I want to see other deities and demons from other countries

>>13942596

>>13942614

requesting Jetstream Sam slicing both of them

I'm not the only one who feels like a majority of Bayo 2 feels like it should be the first game right?

>yet another wii u port

Now i know why it's called Switch.

switch emu when?

>>13942365

You're right, I should get a PS4 where I'll pay $10 a month for internet instead.

>>13942990

>bayo 3 doesn't count because a port of 1 and 2 is being made

>>13943107

>rodin finally snaps and trie to become an angle again

or

>Enzo is god

>>13943124

Not enough stupid and convoluted

>bayo mom and dad go to the future to save baby bayonetta again

inb4 Bayonetta is in Mario Kart before Samus.

>>13943142

I approve of this.

>>13943106

This makes sense actually

>>13942614

What would be your pick of the season then?

>>13943183

none, I play heroes paradise.

I hope the Switch is going to have a price drop at one point. Not like Wii U

What about Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3?

>>13943333

I hear pikmin is a pretty good game. Ever tried it?

>>13943325

I thought they were porting those too?

>>13942449

>ps4 has been great

No it hasn't.

>>13943424

No, I do not.

>>13940074

Nintendo is pretty the reason why Bayonetta is alive

>>13943463

>2 exclusives

It's shit. The ps1, 2 and 3 by this point in time all had more than 2 good games. Why do you defend and praise mediocrity? Actually, it's not even mediocre. The ps3 was mediocre and still had a far better library.

This isn't me starting console wars, this is just me saying the ps4 is shit.

>>13943463

>4 years on

What the actual fuck is wrong with you if you call that great? Consoles used to have a better lineup in a year than what the PS4 can muster in 4 years. It's a pathetic console and it's this gens defacto platform, the PS3 wasn't even that gens defacto platform and it had a better library and game development costs have apparently plateaued.

Third parties are wasted on the PS4.

>>13943135

The Bayonetta plot isn't very convoluted at all if you think about it.

>tfw the emulation community has kept the WiiU alive longer than Nintendo themselves have

>>13942156

I'm waiting for v2

>>13942156

I'll wait for the switch pro Switch+.

>>13946629

>Bayonetta

<Amnesiac goes on a quest to remember her past meanwhile big bad actually set up said quest so he can use said Amnesiac to awaken God.

>Bayonetta 2

<Big bad from first game tries to become the "real" God by killing him in a child's body, meanwhile Amnesiac from the first game is going to Hell to save a friend and gets mixed up in Heavenly affairs.

The first game's plot is only confusing until you think about it. The second game's plot is more straight-forward in presentation, but confusing when trying to explain it.

>>13946801

>implying nintendo doesn't make hardware revisions

I didn't like Bayonetta because it was basically one big straight path of the game telling me "here's this scripted encounter where you fight these x enemies, beat them and go to the next one that does it again.

>>13946887

Didn't stop MGR from being my personal Goty!

>>13946898

There's nothing I can do to stop you from liking different games than me and I don't even know you so it would be silly for me to get worked up over that

>>13946718

>>13946775

>defending those blatantly ID-hopping posts

Are you fucking kidding me Mark? Show me the rule I broke.

>>13946792

>The first game's plot is only confusing until you think about it.

<Bayonetta's flashbacks implies she was raised in captivity by the Umbran witches.

<Cereza's scenes implies she had a relatively happy childhood raised by Balder.

Are !present-day Bayo and Cereza from different timelines then? Otherwise, it makes no sense. I never played Bayo 2

>>13946939

I masturbated at least once before I stopped playing Bayonetta

>>13946937

>being this assblasted by the truth

>>13946945

Time bullshit never makes sense but long story short Bayo 2 would not exist if Bayonetta didn't save Cereza but since time has a way to correct itself Cereza would have more than likely returned to her orginal time line in the past so she would grow up to be Bayonetta. If Bayonetta didn't save her past self then the first game really wouldn't have made sense, would it?

>throwing away the wii u

Bitch, do you even softmod?

>>13946963

I was speaking entirely about Bayo 1's story. I only threw in the spoiler on the off chance the discrepancy was explained in 2.

>>13946986

>maybe because she cannot have sex or because it would not work.

I'd find a way.

>>13942365

You mean $4, you pinhead.

Is the Wii U hacked yet? I have one that is gathering dust in my closet.

>>13947777

Dude, it's been hacked for a while. It's almost as open as the 3ds scene now.

>>13944172

Why are her legs so huge?

>>13942596

Drawfags have Bayo fighting Henry while Travis watches anime in the background.

>>13949229

Because the first one is still good. What are you, a faggot?

the wiiu was redundant the day it was launched.

>>13949447

At least it has 2 or 3 decent games.

>>13938806

How would you do Mario Maker on the Switch, though? Not without a stylus. It'd also have to be handheld mode only. And while there are now games on the Switch that do that, I'd imagine Nintendo would want to avoid this being first party.

>>13942425

>Just buy a switch goy! Exclusives are good for you!

Nah fuck off. There's no excuse for it not being multiplat.

>>13941516

1 was about kicking Heaven's god ass

2 was about kicking the Earth's god ass

3 will probably be about kicking the ass of the Satan's equivalent

>>13949469

Are you retarded?

>>13949469

>with a much smaller library

Funny. Because the switch already has more first party games than Xbox one and PS4. Games that actually sale consoles. Switch has half the library as the PS4 exclusive in less than a year

>>13949697

He wasn't talking numbers. Notice "good games".

>>13949777

At least someone else can see this. Sometimes it feels like everyone who owns a switch has massive brain damage and can't realize that their plastic toy is one of the worst consoles to have ever been made, it has no good games at all and it doesn't look like it ever will.

>>13949961

Jesus fuck I told you to stop baiting. Fuck off faggot.

>>13949975

Now why you got to hurt my feelings like that ;<

>>13949229

You can pirate the game you know. Why are you even asking when you can try it for free?

>>13950033

Might help to wait till those source files that were leaked for the Switch start producing results. But otherwise didn't we have a thread specifically for your question? Or am I confusing that with another console/handheld?

>>13950057

>But otherwise didn't we have a thread specifically for your question?

There are sometimes if I recall correctly, but a quick ctrl+F in the catalog produced no results other than this thread.

>>13950069

I say just make one. This thread's probably not going to excel past shitposting.

>>13949883

>two master pieces

What's the second one apart from (I'm assuming) Odyssey? It's the only thing I can think of that would tempt me to buy a Switch at the moment. All the other good stuff seems to already be on the Wii U apart from Splatoon 2 and XC2 but I was never interested in either of those games.

Bayo 3 is just a maybe for me right now. Before I would think about buying it I'd like to see if it's actually substantially different from Platinum's other games and if it has a non-shit framerate for once.

>>13947223

The Aryan thing to do is to siphon it off your oblivious neighbors

>>13949229

Because its a good game

>>13949229

You can emulate them both or buy a Switch faggot

>>13938417

>WII U NOW COMPLETELY REDUNDANT

W101 is still exclusive.

>>13951956

>She comes back at the end of the game as a Super Demon stronger tha Rodin

Also for Bayonetta 3 Rodin/Balder/Any other new playable characters better be playable in the main game and not just a shitty co op mode like in Bayo 2.

Bayonetta looks like fucking shit in Bayo2 and I personally refuse to purchase Nintendo products anymore because they're a cancer on the industry with their fucking constant slough of shit gimmick consoles (3 generations in a row). Also, I'm kind of over the whole Bayonetta, No More Heroes, whatever, CUHRAAAAZZZY!!!! gimmick since I stopped being a 17 year old some years ago. Jeanne is better than Bayo in Bayo 2. Short hair is fucking hideous, full stop. Only closet faggots or mentally deranged men like it. Meganekko is a shit trait as well, could only barely forgive it on Bayo1 Bayonetta as it was.

Giving a HAIR WITCH a hideous frumpy-librarian dyke style short haircut is unforgivable, Kamiya, you fuckhead.

>>13938806

source for that pic?

>>13952749

They are the least cancerous than the other 2 and The Tablet and Portability Gimmick are actually good. The Wii motes also worked great for shooters.

>>13952749

How familiar are you with this genre exactly? Mentioning No More Heroes as a similar game isn't very well informed

>Giving a HAIR WITCH a hideous frumpy-librarian dyke style short haircut is unforgivable, Kamiya, you fuckhead.

Blocked for implying that Bayonetta 2 is Kamiya's game

>>13943106

The concidences are too much for this. But Bayonetta isn't the type of lady to have a kid. At least cause she acts like a high paid prositues but is a virgin.

>>13943106

Is this a hentai I missed out on or just Persona shit?

>>13943106

What if that anime was planned to be Bayo's.

>>13949961

pay2play online bullshit.

>>13956449

>goon tactics

What's causing all this anti-japanese attacks, lately? Xenoblade 2 mass triggering the faggots?

>>13949961

>So, again, no BS, what are your issues?

Your reddit spacing

>>13956573

Not an argument.

What makes the gameplay good?

What makes the atmosphere good?

What makes the characters likable?

>>13956609

Why don't you play it and find out you insufferable cunt? It's obvious from your antagonistic six-year-old argument style that nothing we say is gonna convince you.

"Not an argument" = the 101 rule of journalists (aka child rapists) and corporate ass lickers when dealing with dissident opinions.

Don't let the thread be derailed by goons.

They are losing their base as western games become more and more reviled and unprofitable by the minute, and they want to stop the japanese industry inevitable take over at all costs.

>>13949961

well, it's the first year of the console so you will get mixed bag of good and bad games.

If this year has been better on the switch news then xbone, yes it has. On the ps4? Not really you have to remember Kojima just put his jizz video out on the internet and fans of kojima has watched the trailer several times. Then you have Monster Hunter World Beta that is out right now on ps4.

While those who has a switch should probably be into that xenoblade 2 game that came out 9 days ago.

>>13956668

>Which is why places like this exist, to ask and get informed

You smell of goon from a mile away. No one here would ever consider /v/ a repository of knowledge.

>>13956668

>I am asking precisely to know if I would like it or not, for me to get it I would have to spend money on hardware then the product

You are aware the first one is on PC?

>>13956668

You need to leave, this place is not for you.

>>13956677

debate was invented by upstanding white men

you're retarded

>s-stop asking me to validate my bad opinions

i haven't even read the rest of this thread but holy shit you're a fucking moron if you think that will work here, or that you're fitting in at all

>>13957013

>Ask how the game is

<It's good

>Ask how is it good

<Good base gameplay, tons of replayability, good atmosphere, good soundtrack, decent enemy and weapon variation, a shitton of unlockables and likeable characters. Only thing I didn't like is how some cutscenes kind of play in this slideshow form, but it makes up for that and some.

>"BUT HOW IS IT GOOD?"

Nigger I'm not going to write an 10 paragraph essay on why I found Bayonetta enjoyable, I know you'll just end up asking me again and again to the point where I have to explain the reason why people can feel joy and why shouldn't we just try to enjoy boredom. Go watch a gameplay video or actually playing the game.

>>13938417

Since when has either Wii U or Switch been relevant?

>>13958001

>this form of jewish kikery is better than our form of jewish kikery

No multiplat no buy. The only reason I ever got to play Bayo 1 was because it it was 5 years old and I got all I needed 3rd party.

This may be the first Nintendo console I've bought since my used SNES from a used book store/porn shop in 1995.

>>13960668

gross

>>13958001

No need to buy. There will always be means to pirate it, sooner or later. Just don't let the ass-lickers/child rapists derail the thread or spread false information about the game.

>>13960765

Are you on drugs?

>>13961644

BLOODBORNE

MACHINE

>>13961777

The only one of those that is really worth going out of your way to play is Pikmin 3. Captain Toad is an OK puzzle game and Super Mario 3D world is a fun 3 or 4 worlds that you eventually get through after slogging for hours through the first 8 babby-easy worlds. The tail end of the game is really great fun, but the first two-thirds of the game are mind-numbing. I wouldn't hold my breath on a port of any of those. If they did, it's probably not coming for a few years at least.

Only buy a cheap used Wii U if there is a good handful of games you want to play or if you can find it super-cheap.

>all this console war shit starting

Seriously PC or bust at this point. All consoles are doing is emulating a PC with all the multimedia software their stuffing them with. The only good console would be the one that's cheap and affordable and does nothing but run games. No modern day consoles resemble any of those things. Besides that what benefit would there be in consoles as apposed to just getting a home computer? The only argument I could think of is to have highly different methods of control and hardware but then any time Nintendo tries to do this it ends up feeling like a shitty gimmick. And even if they did something right why wouldn't you just develop it as an extension to PC software?

>>13961900

Nor is a very endearing one considering the quality of the games put on it.

>>13961817

>I am only anally annihilated by smt 5 going to the switch

Why does more people playing the game you like upset you?

>>13961777

I'd unironically ask for most of the exclusives to be ported to the Switch, but with them at least getting uncensored, new content or a sequel, Pikmin 3 is fine, give me all the dlc and announce a sequel, Super Mario 3d World is great, give me Wario, Waluigi, Daisy and a Tostarenan as more playable characters and a few new worlds featuring both new and remixed levels, Haven't played much of Xenoblade X, give me a port, announce a sequel and fix censorship and localization, fix Blade at the bare minimum, that shit is going to look retarded when the game jumps hundreds of years into the future and Blades exist as immortal overseers and mediators to the humans that now inhabit Mira.

Nintendo may as well look at ports, third parties don't give a fuck about that platform.

>>13962001

>Super Mario 3d World is great

opinion discarded

>>13962009

That's okay, I will just discard your shitty opinion.

>>13962036

It's a fundamental downgrade from previous games in movement (with it's forced 8 direction controls) and level design. You're objectively wrong here retard.

>>13962096

No asshole, fuck you. It's an amazing game.

>>13962277

>he said with no argument

It's a shit game. I played it to the very last level with the rehashed GGG theme and it's garbage to the end. It offers nothing in the way of originality and it's just a pain to play. The only god thing that came from it was World 8 theme.

>>13962321

Wow nigger fuck off for real. Level design was great, cat mario was really fun to play, cherry power up was ingenious, multiple route pipes was completely new as was piranha power up. To say it offered nothing in the way of originality is factually wrong and makes me think you're legit retarded. And the controls were perfectly fine. You being shit is not the game's fault.

>>13956663

Couldn't they do the same thing with the Gamecube to Wii era and I mean half of its library?

>>13962375

>Level design was great

It really wasn't. It ranged from wide areas with nothing in them to overly linear square platforms with no difficulty. The auto scroll levels were some of the worst I've played. Cat Mario consisted of a wall riding mechanic and a dive. Big woop when you can already wall jump and could dive in earlier 3D titles. It added nothing.

>multiple route pipes was completely new

They've been doing that shit since 3 retard. The only difference is you picked pipes instead of switching midway. Which had no actually interactive engagement past "press button to change direction". The pipe routes rarely if ever split into more than 2 direction anyway and they never expanded on it upon making you shoot straight up in the air to nab a coin or occasionally dodge an enemy that was miserably boring to wait for before you coul progress.

>To say it offered nothing in the way of originality is factually wrong

I think you need to look back at what prior mario titles offered to the series before you spout that retarded shit. It offered a few powers and a few new new ideas. But at the cost of the dumbed down controls and boring levels it's horse shit.

>And the controls were perfectly fine. You being shit is not the game's fault.

I told you already I made it to the final level and dropped it out of boredom. I beat world 8 in less than 12 hours. The controls aren't "hard" they're boring and shit. What the fuck is fine about forcing your character to 8 cardinal directions and completely removing the long jumps length? They also nerfed the backwards somersault which was one of the best moves in the prior games. The dive jump was then just "shifted" to cat Mario, and worse at that because it was extremely rigid. Seriously I get the feeling you've never played any prior Mario title if you're being this much of a good goy and believing this game is anything but shit.

>>13962965

You're making shit up, retard. There was nothing wrong with the level design. It was incredibly varied and well designed. Wide areas with nothing in them? I recall only one part of a level that matches that description in the whole game. The rest of the game was pure platforming bliss.

And goddamn you really are retarded. >The only difference is you picked pipes instead of switching midway.

That's kind of a big fucking difference isn't it dipshit? Since it's fuck all alike? You're just bitching for the sake of it when you critisize pipes of all fucking things.

You're trying really hard to come off as refined, but you only sound like a retard when you accuse the game of lacking in "originality". When this game introduced the toad levels, multiplayer in a 3d mario game, many power ups and new platforms that take advantage of them, green star coins not to mention the many secrets on the levels, I don't get how the game lacks in originality, nor the point of such a complaint, when the rest of the industry is happy rehashing the same ideas forever, with the only new thing being loot boxes and mt garbage.

And the cat dive wasn't meant to replace the normal dive you moron, it was required to reach certain stars and platforms as well as being an attack and providing air stability and direction. The normal dive was in the game, you just had to crouch before you could perform it, and if your timing was right you could even chain multiple dives together.

Did you even play it retard? It's like you're trying to hate on it because it wasn't galaxy 3 and there wasn't a giant apple or some shit.

>>13965849

>You're making shit up, retard

Lol nice argument

>It was incredibly varied and well designed.

It was a series of squares that rarely did anything to innovate. Get over it.

>That's kind of a big fucking difference isn't it dipshit?

It's absolutely not when you consider what I described. The "alternate paths" for the pipes aounted to nothing interesting as far as gameplay went. I'de argue it was better handled in 3 because at the very least the game kept the pace solid by allowing you to move into platforming mode. It's great that you want to conveniently ignore how simple and dumbed down the clear pipe mechanics are though.

>You're trying really hard to come off as refined, but you only sound like a retard when you accuse the game of lacking in "originality".

Nice projection. I never made a claim about being refined.

>When this game introduced the toad levels, multiplayer in a 3d mario game, many power ups and new platforms that take advantage of them

The captain toad levels were very few and lasted around 5 minutes. Adding them all together you got maybe 30 minutes of gameplay out of all of them and even then you were never challenged because of how overly simple they were up until maybe the last one. Saying that was "innovation and original" is a laugh considering they were more of a teaser for the actual Captain Toad game than anything.

>many power ups and new platforms that take advantage of them,

You mean the 1 new powerup and the remaining gimmick powerups that were only useful to collect the useless stamps.

> green star coins

As apposed to the prior games that had green stars all over the place? That's innovation? Something they've been doing since Galaxy? Again confirmed for not having played the earlier titles.

>many secrets on the levels

Again, they've been doing secrets since the first game. Where's your "innovation"? Expecially since the secrets amounted to coins usually. Which were useless as all they gave you were extra lives on an already piss easy game that barely punished you for getting a game over unlike older titles.

> I don't get how the game lacks in originality

That's because you're 12.

>when the rest of the industry is happy rehashing the same ideas forever

Nintendo's just as guilty retard. All they're doing now is adopting the cancerous elements that western devs have been implementing like open world shit which makes people think they're being innovating.

>And the cat dive wasn't meant to replace the normal dive you moron

Well it did. To bad you can't see that.

>it was required to reach certain stars and platforms

Which could have been gotten to with a simple wall jump if they didn't autisticly require you to hold down 2 buttons to climb walls. It's a dumbed down mechanic like I said. Instead of having more engaging movement mechanics they instead just tell you to rigidly hold down a button and progress.

>as well as being an attack and providing air stability

The dive attack already did this. Again you're to enveloped in loving this game to see why it's done nothing to innovate.

>The normal dive was in the game, you just had to crouch before you could perform it

That's the long jump dipshit. And it was nerfed to hell and back.

>and if your timing was right you could even chain multiple dives together.

Chaining moved was what mario 64 was all about. It was done immensely worse in 3d world because there was no reason to do half of the moves you were given in the game.

>Did you even play it retard?

Did you?

> like you're trying to hate on it because it wasn't galaxy 3

Galaxy 2 was inferior to 1. So I don't give a shit if it wasn't Galaxy 3. It needed controls on par with sunshine or 64 before it could even be considered a good game first and it couldn't even do that right. You seriously have no consideration for what made the original 3D mario games work well. Nearly every imprtant core mechanic from the original titles were dumbed down and streamlined so toddlers could play the game while they picked their nose. The game lacks any sense of skill progression and relies more heavily on gimmicks than Galaxy to get by. It's shit faggot. get over it.

>>13967463

>Lol nice argument

It's not an argument. It's an observation. Dipshit.

>It was a series of squares that rarely did anything to innovate. Get over it.

Amazing fucking analysis shithead. "vidgams is just an serie of stuff. shit sucks". kys please.

>It's absolutely not when you consider what I described. The "alternate paths" for the pipes aounted to nothing interesting as far as gameplay went. I'de argue it was better handled in 3 because at the very least the game kept the pace solid by allowing you to move into platforming mode. It's great that you want to conveniently ignore how simple and dumbed down the clear pipe mechanics are though.

You're shitting me? You can't be this much of a nitpicking autist can you? The clear pipes were used sparingly, but creatively by demanding input and attention from the player, in which you were punished if you weren't quick enough to switch direction or didn't enter the right pipe. "Dumbed down PIPE MECHANICS" holy shit you're retarded.

>Nice projection. I never made a claim about being refined.

That's how you come across with your dipshit nitpickery autism hell and telling others that they're objectively wrong for liking the game. Retard.

>The captain toad levels were very few and lasted around 5 minutes. Adding them all together you got maybe 30 minutes of gameplay out of all of them and even then you were never challenged because of how overly simple they were up until maybe the last one. Saying that was "innovation and original" is a laugh considering they were more of a teaser for the actual Captain Toad game than anything.

5 minutes? Maybe the first one. Later one were more involved and took longer to complete. These levels were inventive and original, which contradict your claims on "originality and doing nothing new". And Treasure Tracker started development after 3d world was finished, on Miyamoto's request that they make a full game based on these levels. Get informed dipshit. Why do you keep downplaying its new elements and ideas? Is giving the game credit against your religion or something? It's like no matter what the game did, you would just hate on it and nitpick it to hell for whatever reason.

>You mean the 1 new powerup and the remaining gimmick powerups that were only useful to collect the useless stamps.

The super bell, double cherry, boomerang flower, kuribo skate, cannon box, goomba suit, piranha plant. That's more than one. Learn to count, asshole.

>As apposed to the prior games that had green stars all over the place? That's innovation? Something they've been doing since Galaxy? Again confirmed for not having played the earlier titles.

I'm not talking about stars idiot. Star coins, as in literal green coins, that you trigger once and have to collect before time runs out. In galaxy you had to collect 120 regular stars before getting access to green stars. Completely different.

>Nintendo's just as guilty retard. All they're doing now is adopting the cancerous elements that western devs have been implementing like open world shit which makes people think they're being innovating.

You mean BOTW? Ha. Dipshit. The game that's winning awards left and right and that has the most perfect 10 reviews ever? The game that abandoned conventions and changed people expectations on open world design on its first try? That's your example of soulless rehash à la cod or ass creed? Fucking idiot.

>Well it did. To bad you can't see that.

Cat dive has infinite reach and moves in a straight vector. Normal dive doesn't and is affected by gravity and momentum. Completely different.

>Which could have been gotten to with a simple wall jump if they didn't autisticly require you to hold down 2 buttons to climb walls.

Retard, read. I said the cat DIVE was necessary to reach some stars and platforms, not climbing ( which doesn't require a button press at all. WTF?) And how the fuck do you reach the top of a -single- high wall with wall jumping? Wall jumping requires multiple walls. Moron.

>That's the long jump dipshit. And it was nerfed to hell and back.

HOLY SHIT you really are retarded. The DIVE, not long jump, actual DIVE was in the game. You had to press the run button to execute it, as OPPOSED to the jump button to perform the LONG JUMP. https://imgur.com/OtHr2HE See the gif(which btw, is the single wide area I referenced previously)? I'm starting to doubt you even played it at all. The game IS great and its level design was fantastic. Get over it sperg.

>>13968585

>It's not an argument. It's an observation. Dipshit.

Then it's wrong. Again nice argument.

>Amazing fucking analysis shithead. "

It's solid for emphasizing just how much of a lack of design is in the game. When everything featured in a 3D environment is mimicking 2D in a franchise that made fantastic use out of 3D environments you know you have a shitty game on your hands. More into it the actual design rarely advances to more difficult stages or contributes much to Mario's move set. nearly every level either remainds within the same set of design and rarely does much to make anything out of it. The only few moments I can remember is the platform switch level's downward slope and some of the underground silhouette areas. That's about it.

>The clear pipes were used sparingly

So then why the fuck are you claiming it as one of the more "innovative" aspects to the game?

>but creatively by demanding input and attention from the player,

You mean that thing you're always doing anyway? It requires much LESS input and attention because it's just a series of paths that require no thought on. Again with Mario 3 your destination in the pipes mattered because they often lead to dead ends with enemies that forced away health or towards the goal. 3D world streamlined that and instead made it a sloppy pacman clone.

>holy shit you're retarded.

Again with the projection

>That's how you come across with your dipshit nitpickery autism hell

>"all your complaints are just ni-nitpicks! Surely there's no flaw in my perfect game!"

All my keks. If 3D world were the first Mario game to ever exist you might be a little more on the money. But the game has done little to nothing to make room for innovation. Just like the 2D titles immediately before it.

>Later one were more involved and took longer to complete

They absolutely didn't. The hardest part about them was timing a few of the movement mechanics and trying to not get annoying at the shitty blow feature.

>These levels were inventive and original

I take it you've never played a 3D puzzle game before then? They were inventive if you're 10.

>which contradict your claims on "originality and doing nothing new"

My claims were that they did nothing new that made the game worth playing. It added features but most of them were shallow or much to short. Just like the Captain Toad segments.

>Treasure Tracker started development after 3d world was finished, on Miyamoto's request that they make a full game based on these levels. Get informed dipshit

It was also released in the same month faggot. I said nothing contradictory, the game functioned as a way to encourage you to purchase Treasure Tracker. Get some reading comprehension before you jump the gun.

>why do you keep downplaying its new elements and ideas?

Because they are either to minimal to be worth noting or to streamlined and lacking in any depth to actually acknowledge as innovative. There's no actual "new" content that I can say was worth putting in the game aside from a few ost tracks and some texture art elements.

>The super bell

Again told you it was just a replacement for jump dive and a shallower wall jump

>double cherry

A gimmick as it's only used to get stamps and a few other collectables. Its use in actual gameplay isn't worth mentioning as it rarely does much.

>boomerang flower

Yea gee another projectile weapon. Just what Mario needed. Not like the fire flower already served this ability.

>kuribo skate

Used in maybe 3 or so levels. 1 of which was at the very end of the game. Besides that it's only useful in every specific situations that you rarely encounter and only serves towards being a bit more mobile on ice.

>>13962096

> forced 8 direction controls

Not technically accurate. That's 3D land. I think 3D world is 16 direction or something, but that's really not a hell of a lot better.

I give 3D World a bit more credit than you do for the last few worlds alone, but I don't think I could really recommend that somebody play it, because the vast majority of the game is boring and uninspired. I'm honestly baffled that they pushed the cat suit gimmick so hard given how uninteresting of a gimmick it is.

>>13969323

>I think 3D world is 16 direction or something

Honestly if it is, I can't feel it. And this is coming from somebody who's used a N64 controller for a lot of their time.

Overall I don't think 3D world is a terrible game. But like BoTW and every Mario game since Galaxy 1 it's nothing above mediocre. I mentioned World 8's theme and in all honestly the game is somewhat difficult in the farther space worlds, the final long ass level, and the 20 stage green coin segment. I was at the final straw by that point though and the game simply didn't have enough content to keep me engaged. I dropped the game seeing the final goal for both the green star and long winded stage out of boredom.

>I'm honestly baffled that they pushed the cat suit gimmick so hard given how uninteresting of a gimmick it is.

They've been doing that since the 3D version where Mario turned huge by a giant mushroom. The effect the giant mushroom had is the same in this game. Neat at first because it's something new, but you soon realize it's not very interesting or fun to use and only sees its best moments in the first few levels. Nintendo's design pilosophy over the years has been watered down to gimmicks and cheap thrills. They managed to make good use out of those 2 things in the first galaxy by keeping the gimmicks new enough to keep your attention in each galaxy but they've been running dry since. How people can tell me 3D world is a fresh of breath air in the industry baffles me.

>>13968585

>BotW

>The game that abandoned conventions and changed people expectations on open world design on its first try

Even if you're merely pretending you need to kill yourself.

>>13969272

Fuck it. You're aspie as fuck. There's no fucking way I can fight against the nuclear autism you're displaying here. You're dead set on shitting on the game, downplaying any remote positives and moving goal posts once proven wrong about its qualities and features. It's like Mario 3d World ran over your dog and fucked your mom blind. I didn't call the game perfect, I said all of your "criticism" comes across as nitpicking from an abnormaly obsessed autist, and a lot of it is actually false. You said the dive wasn't in the game, I already proved you wrong with actual evidence, I told you they can be chained, and then you act as if rolling after a dive wasn't a thing in mario 64. I told you the toad levels, clear pipes and power ups were original ideas that contradict your claims about the game not offering originality in this post >>13962321 you then proceed to bitch about them, make false comparisons, and finally say they don't count, like a fucking child. You said the game lacks originality when it factually doesn't. And when presented with this fact you change the narrative and move goalposts. "b-but it's not what I said, baka!" You know what you said, you fucking weasel. It's there for everyone to read. I can't argue with a fucking liar. And for god's sake, stop comparing the fucking cat dive with the normal one. They are mechanically different and serve completely different purposes. You can't reach a platform that's 20 meters away with a regular dive, dipshit. You can with the cat dive. The game even draws a fucking path of coins for you to get the hint. It can't actually be worse, because it's not even the same fucking thing. Retard.

>It's solid for emphasizing just how much of a lack of design is in the game. When everything featured in a 3D environment is mimicking 2D in a franchise that made fantastic use out of 3D environments you know you have a shitty game on your hands. More into it the actual design rarely advances to more difficult stages or contributes much to Mario's move set. nearly every level either remainds within the same set of design and rarely does much to make anything out of it. The only few moments I can remember is the platform switch level's downward slope and some of the underground silhouette areas. That's about it.

It's as solid as diarrhea. And you keep proving you have no fucking idea what you're talking about and know shit all about design.

>So then why the fuck are you claiming it as one of the more "innovative" aspects to the game?

Because it is, dickhead. That it isn't spammed throughout levels thus overstaying its welcome doesn't change that.

>You mean that thing you're always doing anyway? It requires much LESS input and attention because it's just a series of paths that require no thought on. Again with Mario 3 your destination in the pipes mattered because they often lead to dead ends with enemies that forced away health or towards the goal. 3D world streamlined that and instead made it a sloppy pacman clone.

God. "Which had no actually interactive engagement past "press button to change direction". Pressing buttons is actual engagement fuckwit. It's what you do in games to accomplish things. You have to pay attention when and where to switch direction, lest you get hit by an enemy moving inside it, or missing an item or star, or not reaching the top of a flagpole. And again, they're not an actual replacement for normal pipes, as those are still in the game. Moron.

>My claims were that they did nothing new that made the game worth playing

Wow. Fucking bald-faced lie. This is what you wrote >>13962321 "It offers nothing in the way of originality". You get proved wrong and beaten the fuck out. And now act as if you meant a different thing all along to save face. Chicken shit liar.

>It was also released in the same month faggot. I said nothing contradictory, the game functioned as a way to encourage you to purchase Treasure Tracker. Get some reading comprehension before you jump the gun.

Super Mario 3d World NA release date: November 22, 2013. Captain Toad Treasure Tracker: November 13,2014. A whole year apart. The decision to make it came after the release of 3d world. It's not a fucking demo.

>Again told you it was just a replacement for jump dive and a shallower wall jump

And I told you it's actually not, and actually explained why.

>A gimmick as it's only used to get stamps and a few other collectables. Its use in actual gameplay isn't worth mentioning as it rarely does much.

Some stars require it too, and what you get changes precious dick all about it's originality, both as a power up and its use in the game.

>That's not even an ability. You just gab it while it limits your controls for the trade off of you not having to actually play the game and attack enemies. Jesus you're stretching this shit as thin as you can huh?

It's a power up just like the super star is. Only you aren't completely invulnerable and can discard it at any time. The fuck are you whining for?

>Read "remaining gimmick powerups" that you quoted. Again get some reading comprehension.

They aren't "gimmick" power ups, whatever the fuck that is.

>So it's even worse then? Glad that's confirmed. Really though they accomplish the same task. The only difference is that you couldn't grab a wall in a 64 dive where in 3D world you can. Only problem is that the game rarely takes advantage of this and even then that 1 specific ability isn't enough to make up for the complete lack of any new abilities or move sets. On top of this the ones that works in 64 are still nerfed and shit in this one for no reason.

It's altogether different and accomplish very different goals. It's not a replacement as the normal dive is still there.

>jumping to a location doesn't require button presses It requires a degree of input, either way you're not helping your argument here that the abilities aren't dumbed down.

God. How can you be this fucking moronic. Can you read? I was talking about cat climbing. I said the actual climbing, that is,moving—not jumping—moving horizontally and vertically along wall surfaces as a cat, doesn't require any button input, you dolt. I was confused because you can't write for shit, and said you're somehow required to hold down 2 fucking buttons to climb walls.

>In order to long jump you crouch and then jump dipshit.

Did you fucking read what I wrote? Jesus what the fuck is wrong with you? Like how can I even adress this level of autism. You're spamming fucking nonsense.

I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your midget brained bullshit and moving of goalposts.

What the dick has this thread delved into?

>>13969364

Choke on my balls nigger.

>>13969809

I think people are mad that Odyssey and BOTW are well liked and successful

>>13969809

Pure concentrated autism.

>>13969788

>There's no fucking way I can fight against the nuclear autism you're displaying here

>Things I don't like are autism!

lol

>You're dead set on shitting on the game, downplaying any remote positives and moving goal posts once proven wrong about its qualities and features

I've stated my specific reasons as to why the game is nothing above mediocre. Everything you've stated as a positive is either nothing new or to minor to even be worth mentioning as an element worth spending money one.

>It's like Mario 3d World ran over your dog and fucked your mom blind

No I purchased the game and was severely disappointed. You can keep acting like my points are invalid because you disagree with them though.

>You said the dive wasn't in the game,

I never said it wasn't. I said it was replaced by the cat suit and the original dive was nerfed to fuck. Read bitch.

>I already proved you wrong with actual evidence

No you just supported my point further by saying it was dumbed down.

>I told you they can be chained, and then you act as if rolling after a dive wasn't a thing in mario 64.

Rolling was never a thing in 64. Diving was because you actually jump and then dive. Post gifs of Mario "rolling" in 64. I'de love to see this new move I've never heard about in a game I've been playing since fucking 97.

> I told you the toad levels, clear pipes and power ups were original ideas that contradict your claims about the game not offering originality in this post

And O told you the game did have original ideas. But they were either never used or to much of a gimmick in specific levels to be worth completely dumbing down the overall movement, mechanics, and level design.

>you then proceed to bitch about them, make false comparisons, and finally say they don't count, like a fucking child

If you're just going to conveniently ignore my posts then I guess you'll think you've won huh? When I stated it offered nothing new in the way of originality you proceeded to find the tiny examples where it apparently didn't. You do understand that just because a game has a "new mechanic" that doesn't mean it's never been done to a similar or exact extent in any other game to ever exist right? If Mario uses a boomerang that must mean no other game has ever had a boomerang in it right? Jesus you're pathetic.

>You know what you said, you fucking weasel.

>the tail end of the year of 2017 and you will never be this mad

>And for god's sake, stop comparing the fucking cat dive with the normal one.

I can and will

>They are mechanically different and serve completely different purposes

Those purposes are to reach farther areas (which was the same purpose since 64)

>You can't reach a platform that's 20 meters away with a regular dive, dipshit. You can with the cat dive.

And you could reach a far away surface with a regular dive in 64. Again thank you for telling me just how stunted the controls in 64 are.

>The game even draws a fucking path of coins for you to get the hint.

Another example of how the devs hold your hand? Thanks.

>And you keep proving you have no fucking idea what you're talking about and know shit all about design.

>"Y-YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND GAME DESIGN

Is that your argument? Wow I guess I'm btfo yet again :^)

>Because it is, dickhead

>dumbed down Pacman in modern day titles are innovative

fucking kek.

>That it isn't spammed throughout levels

It isn't in most levels regardless smart one. That's not even the biggest problem I have with it. The clear pipes are never actually utilized as a mechanic to any degree past boring segments of waiting for enemies to clear a pattern or using them as cannons (which Galaxy did better with the spring stars btw)

>>13969981

>"Which had no actually interactive engagement past "press button to change direction". Pressing buttons is actual engagement fuckwit. I never claimed it wasn't. But comparing that to the amount of interaction prior makes 3D world laughable as a contender. The primary thing you should be doing in a game is committing to the controls. In 3D world you rarely touch more than the directional pad in the pipes. To make it worse you're rarely switching directions in a way that you require any skill. It's often well telegraphed what you need to do in any of those segments. To the extent that there's just about no skill needed to compete them.

>It's what you do in games to accomplish things. You have to pay attention when and where to switch direction

>"Oh god how will I ever hold the directional pad to turn left? I only have 5 short seconds to figure out this puzzle!"

Modern day Nintencucks everybody.

>or missing an item or star,

Stars are rarely ever in clear pipe puzzles and the "items" are collectable cancer that amount to online memes.

>Wow. Fucking bald-faced lie. This is what you wrote

Read what I stated above. You're taking the quote in the context of every Mario game not having the same exact ability when in reality much of the things "in the game" are just copy pastes with a incredibly tiny amount of difference. Stay mad.

>The decision to make it came after the release of 3d world. It's not a fucking demo.

I never called it a Demo. I called it a Teaser. Which it functions as. It's completely seperate to the rest of 3D world and it genuinely feels like it's trying to sell you something else.

>And I told you it's actually not, and actually explained why.

And I'm telling you they are. The jump dive has always been used to go further. Just because it's more rigid doesn't make it any less true. And the rigidity adds nothing anyway.

>Some stars require it too

Amounting to how many then? Even then it's biggest use by far is to push multiple buttons. That's it. That's not an ability, it's a crutch. You never use the copy cherry's as an actual ability.

>and what you get changes precious dick all about it's originality,

Now who's lying? kek.

>They aren't "gimmick" power ups, whatever the fuck that is.

to be more specific, many of the powerups don't actually do jack shit towards your actual movement or attacks. I stated why with every example you brought up. Many of them are just more fancy looking projectile weapons or there for flare like the Piranha Plant. Which doesn't actually accomplish anything past spectacle.

>It's altogether different and accomplish very different goals

They really don't. Again I stated specifically why and you give me this non retort. You can jump further with the dive jump in 64 just like you can do with the cat suit. You can climb walls with the cat suit just like you can wall jump in 64. The difference is wall jumping is actually more fun and the wall climbing in 3D world seems like Nintendo's answer to children like you crying that wall jumping was to hard.

>was talking about cat climbing.

So was I faggot. You jump on the wall do you not? If you're content with saying there's no button presses while actually climbing the wall (whcih I already stated was a dumbed down move) then I'm going to point out the very minimal you can do to interact with it.

>I was confused because you can't write for shit

I think you just have an alternative view of the English Language. You be you anon. Don't let the haters drag you down. :^)

>Did you fucking read what I wrote? Jesus what the fuck is wrong with you? Like how can I even adress this level of autism. You're spamming fucking nonsense.

>"I confused crouching with rolling because I'm a foreign illiterate so you're just an autistic faggot!"

I'm out of keks. Have my backup jej's.

>I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your midget brained bullshit and moving of goalposts.

Thanks for conceding that 3D world is shit. Have a nice day.

>>13969929

It'll probably be as good as 2. So it won't be worth buying a switch for. They just dumbed down to many of the things I liked in the first game. Plus even Kamiya admitted he'll likely never have the dream team for the first game ever again. If the game turns out to somehow be amazing I'll likely wait for it to come to PC, either through the eventual emulator or Nintendo somehow not being greedy kikes and quitting with exclusives. I still feel swindled for buying a Wii-U despite it being third party. The only games I played on it were Bayo 2 and 3D world because the latter came with the console

>no pc

Into the trash

Nintendo is shit check em

>>13969994

>>13969995

Nani?

>>13969982

Fucking idiot.

> You can keep acting like my points are invalid because you disagree with them though.

You don't have any points. Just whining, falsehoods, goalpost moving and faggot green text quips to weasel out of arguments.

>Rolling was never a thing in 64. Diving was because you actually jump and then dive

Jumping wasn't required to dive in 64. Pressing b after diving resulted in a little roll (it sure as shit didn't qualify as a jump) to regain control and keep your pace. Play it again.

>And O told you the game did have original ideas

No you didn't. "It offers nothing in the way of originality and it's just a pain to play" >>13962321

your exact words. Stop lying.

>If you're just going to conveniently ignore my posts then I guess you'll think you've won huh? When I stated it offered nothing new in the way of originality you proceeded to find the tiny examples where it apparently didn't. You do understand that just because a game has a "new mechanic" that doesn't mean it's never been done to a similar or exact extent in any other game to ever exist right? If Mario uses a boomerang that must mean no other game has ever had a boomerang in it right? Jesus you're pathetic.

I didn't ignore your posts. I adressed your original statement and listed things that exposed its falsity. Stop moving goalposts and deal with it asshole. I only mentioned the boomerang in response to another false statement of yours, that the game had only one new power up. Stop being a pathetic weasel.

>Those purposes are to reach farther areas (which was the same purpose since 64)

No that wasn't its purpose. It was never required to get to out of reach areas.

>Another example of how the devs hold your hand? Thanks.

It's precisely there because of retards like you who never figured it out. Even with simple hints.

>Is that your argument? Wow I guess I'm btfo yet again :^)

And what was your "argument"? A series of squares? Fucking moron.

>dumbed down Pacman in modern day titles are innovative

Wow. Another shitty quip. Great fucking argument. I see how I'm proved wrong now.

> I never claimed it wasn't. But comparing that to the amount of interaction prior makes 3D world laughable as a contender

You literally just did. It's right there, quoted in all its autistic splendor.

>Read what I stated above. You're taking the quote in the context of every Mario game not having the same exact ability when in reality much of the things "in the game" are just copy pastes with a incredibly tiny amount of difference. Stay mad.

I did and addressed it. You just got flustered and kept moving the goalpost on what constitutes "originality" so that you could never be wrong. Fucking weasel.

>I never called it a Demo. I called it a Teaser. Which it functions as. It's completely seperate to the rest of 3D world and it genuinely feels like it's trying to sell you something else.

Same fucking difference. The implication being that it wasn't an original idea made for the game, and merely a promotion for a future game that didn't even exist while 3d world was in development.

>Now who's lying? kek.

You? Where's the lie in what I said?

>to be more specific, many of the powerups don't actually do jack shit towards your actual movement or attacks. I stated why with every example you brought up. Many of them are just more fancy looking projectile weapons or there for flare like the Piranha Plant. Which doesn't actually accomplish anything past spectacle.

Except they are actually required to discover secret areas and get past obstacles otherwise impossible to clear. Boomerangs are just the same as fireballs according to you, despite having different reach,trajectory and properties, so you're obviously not very bright.

>They really don't. Again I stated specifically why and you give me this non retort.

It's because you don't read asshole. I said they have different mechanics and couldn't be compared as they served entirely different purposes.

You jump on the wall do you not? If you're content with saying there's no button presses while actually climbing the wall (whcih I already stated was a dumbed down move) then I'm going to point out the very minimal you can do to interact with it.

Ha. Idiot. What part of actual fucking climbing (as in spiderman style wall climbing) don't you get? You said climbing required two buttons held down did you not? What buttons are those again?

>Thanks for conceding that 3D world is shit. Have a nice day.

You too, autist senpai.

>>13970190

*pressing A after diving

And btw, since you kept repeating it, how was the long jump actually even nerfed or dumbed down?

>>13970319

Right, I have no dog in this fight, but the long jump was nerfed from 64. It was still viable, granted, but the distance was notability reduced. I believe matthewmatosis covered that in his review, but excluding that, I could see and feel the difference. I understand, this game had a greater focus on power-up, but it still doesn't remove the fact that it was nerfed.

But it didn't hurt the gameplay too much, so no big deal I guess.

>>13970338

Right. It was slightly reduced in lenght perhaps, yet it's usability was hardly impacted. Dumbing down/nerfing implies a more aggressive reduction, which is why I asked him, as the long jump functions exactly the same as it did in mario 64.

>>13970190

>You don't have any points. Just whining, falsehoods

Never stated anything absolutely false

>goalpost moving

I bet you hear that word thrown around a lot and don't know what it means.

> and faggot green text quips

True I do call you a faggot. But I don't excuse any of your points. I think you just need to learn how to read past a middle school level.

>Jumping wasn't required to dive in 64

Never stated it wasn't.

>Pressing b after diving resulted in a little roll

No it resulted in a dive jump. It's often used instead of the long jump because you can gain more vertical air at the cost of a little bit of length.

>it sure as shit didn't qualify as a jump)

Considering you leave the ground when you do it you probably could actually.

>"It offers nothing in the way of originality and it's just a pain to play"

And as far as the gameplay goes it doesn't.

>I adressed your original statement and listed things that exposed its falsity.

You addressed it in your own feeble minded context that jumped the gun before you actually tried to assert what I was trying to say. The game offers nothing in the way of originality. This is true. The game also has new poweups that havn't been in prior Mario titles. My point however is that none of these new powerups offer anything in the way of innovation towards the actual gameplay as they're either used much to sparingly or are simple reskins of prior powerups with very, very minor changes that aren't worth the effort.

>I only mentioned the boomerang in response to another false statement of yours, that the game had only one new power up. Stop being a pathetic weasel.

You seem you have weasels on the mind today. Either way I addressed every powerup you brought up and pointed out why they were nothing in the way of originality.

>No that wasn't its purpose. It was never required to get to out of reach areas.

Apparently you havn't played the game then. There's several areas in the game that require long jumps or dive jumps. They're somewhat interchangeable throughout most of the game but there's several areas where the dive jump comes in handy. Most notably with avoiding fall damage. It also comes in handy for lower areas that have a ridge above them like the cannon in TTM. It also allows you to combo it with a triple jump which by far gives you some of the farthest reach in the game. Funnily enough they nerfed the triple jump to nearly nothing in 3D world so there's no reason to do it.

>It's precisely there because of retards like you who never figured it out. Even with simple hints.

I figured it out obviously. I've stated I've beaten the game how many times now? But if you're under the impression that retards can solve it then obviously you're stating the game is designed for retards. Nice way to out yourself there dipshit.

>>13971887

>And what was your "argument"? A series of squares? Fucking moron.

Apparently you've been hurting it more than I have with your coin shit. But honestly I already stated it. You're in a 3D environment that treats the movement like a 2D one. That alone is enough reason to trash on the level design. But past that there's also the fact that traversing levels is overly simple. You're never questioning how to progress or actually intimidated by doing so. It's always a straight shoot with no variance in the world. In Mario 64 there's multiple ways to reach many stars. You could argue that this is because the game isn't liner but even if you treat the paths to the stars as linear corridors without stopping by any of the other obstacles there was still plenty of different methods you could reach them. The first star in BBB is a great example of this. You can either take the slow route by going over the bridge, past the chain chomp and up the spiral mountain the normal way. Or you could bypass the bridge bu wall jumping from the second bridge with the gate, make your way to the gap and all jump up it, and finally do a backflip somersault once you were near the top. None of this variety is available in 3D world. It's always the same static path with a minor amount of optional paths you can take that don't require more or less skill in the movement mechanics because the movement mechanics offer no depth.

>Wow. Another shitty quip. Great fucking argument. I see how I'm proved wrong now.

Well that's what it is. Calling it a shitty quip offers no retort either. I pointed out how it's flawed and you're devolving into meta discussion. You're the faggot who's more guilty of being a shitter here. Nice job retard.

>You literally just did

I said it didn't offer interaction PAST pressing a button. PAST. Holy shit this is sad.

>I did and addressed it.

You really havn't. Keep thinking meta talk will save you though.

>ept moving the goalpost on what constitutes "originality"

No you took the statement I made to specificly to your own retarded definitions and jumped the gun on it. If you really thinking bringing back how my first statement was "wrong" in your eyes you're really missing the entire point of this argument. You haven't addressed most if any of my points about how the actual gameplay does anything to innovate. You're just stuck on semantics at this point.

>Same fucking difference.

To you maybe.

>The implication being that it wasn't an original idea made for the game

Please point out where I specifically said it wasn't an original idea made for the game. It's so out of context towards the rest of the game and how it functions it genuinely feels like a teaser. You seriously can't comprehend this can't you? It's like talking to a mutt.

>You? Where's the lie in what I said?

Considering the method to getting them is completely unoriginal I'de say I'm still int he right here.

>Except they are actually required to discover secret areas and get past obstacles otherwise impossible to clear.

So they're keys? Nice to know they offer no functionality past that. An ability in Mario games used to mean advancement or alterations in abilities that actually changed or added an ability to the extent where it had multiple uses and functions. In 3D world it serves to open a door or make a trinket appear. Glad to know you're defeating your own arguments that the game is original though.

>>13970380

>Right. It was slightly reduced in length perhaps,

>slightly

It was much more than slightly. There's no reason to use it at all now because it's as long as a standard jump.

>Dumbing down/nerfing implies a more aggressive reduction

Which it was.

>which is why I asked him, as the long jump functions exactly the same as it did in mario 64.

<Right, it was slightly reduced in length

So it functions the same but it's reduced. Jesus man you can't even keep yourself from contradicting yourself in less than 2 sentences. Amazing.

>>13971899

Slight vs aggressive. Having difficulty reading retard? Perhaps consult a dictionary to know the meaning of words.

>>13971888

>Never stated anything absolutely false

Yes you did. Many times actually.

>And O told you the game did have original ideas

> offers nothing in the way of originality

So which is it retard?

I bet you hear that word thrown around a lot and don't know what it means.

It means you got proved wrong and can't handle it. Faggot.

>Considering you leave the ground when you do it you probably could actually.

Considering it's a midget of "jump" and had next to no reach no, it definitively couldn't.

>I said it didn't offer interaction PAST pressing a button. PAST. Holy shit this is sad.

I know you did retard. Your sentence was faulty and self-defeating in that pressing buttons to accomplish things is the whole point of game interaction. I pointed out how pressing buttons is how you engage with games and how switching pipes requires attention from the player, thus gameplay. It's like saying shooting in a fps requires no interactive engagement past pressing a button, when that's the whole fucking point. Retard weasel.

>If you really thinking bringing back how my first statement was "wrong" in your eyes you're really missing the entire point of this argument

More chicken shit weaseling. I didn't miss the "point". The point was simply shit and you've retroactively changed it after getting proved wrong to say you meant something else all along. Feeble minded weasel.

>Please point out where I specifically said it wasn't an original idea made for the game. It's so out of context towards the rest of the game and how it functions it genuinely feels like a teaser. You seriously can't comprehend this can't you? It's like talking to a mutt.

You directly implied it dumbass, right here "Saying that was "innovation and original" is a laugh considering they were more of a teaser for the actual Captain Toad game than anything." It reads as if the toad levels were simply shoehorned in the game for promotional purposes. Not my fault you're a weasel who keeps changing what he meant when called out.

>You're in a 3D environment that treats the movement like a 2D one. That alone is enough reason to trash on the level design

No it actually fucking isn't. And that wasn't even your original point, nor does it say anything about level design. A series of squares isn't actual criticism anywhere other than your feeble mind.

>So they're keys?

Sigh. They are required by the game to clear obstacles, thus not merely gimmicks with no function past spectacle. You could reduce any power in any game to that if you wanted. Weapons in megaman are merely keys to get trough levels hurr. Retard.

And try to work this out. Say there's a star that's out of reach, that is floating in lava and that you can't grab without dying. How can safely reach this star without killing myself in the process? Perhaps with a power up that flies in a straight line, that can grab things and then return them to me? Which item is best suited to accomplish this task

a. Boomerangs

b. Fireballs

c. A RECTANGLE

Try not to burn your brain out trying to answer.

>>13973626

Hey, at least it's 60FPS.

I don't own any console, but I see the other ones often boasting about their glorious 4K res yet the games can't run over 30FPS.

That high res doesn't even matter unless you're really close to a big screen, the handheld mode will be fine at 720p, though on TV it should be at least 1080p.

>>13973626

720p 60fps > 1080p 30fps

Fight me.

>>13973826

It doesn't even occur to you that 1080p 60fps is a thing, huh?

>>13973728

Checkerboard 4K with resolution drops at that, to maintain butter smooth 30fps.

>>13973626

<60fps

I refuse to believe it's a rock solid 60 fps

>>13938513

>download

Hiss

>>13961777

Holdoff unless cheap find

<a list of wiiu games that are still worth it

-dong freeze

-pikmin 3

-kirby canvas 2

-toad

-if you have friends smash

If they get ports that would be nice, granted toad would need some control adjusting I want hyrule warriors switch port, I have no love for the abomination fire emblem

>>13973993

Bayo 1 probably will be, bayo 2 unless they have been working on the port for it for a while I dont know.

>>13972496

It's not slight. Long jump is no more effective than a normal jump.

>>13972833

>Yes you did. Many times actually.

lol I havn't

>So which is it retard?

I explained in fine detail you can have new ideas yet not be original. It's amazing how you completely disregarded how I explained in this in detail. If mario's hat was blue would that be "original and innovative" to you? I bet it would.

>It means you got proved wrong and can't handle it. Faggot.

Nice argument

>Considering it's a midget of "jump" and had next to no reach no, it definitively couldn't.

>it's a midget """JUMP"""

>It's not a jump

kek

>ur sentence was faulty and self-defeating in that pressing buttons to accomplish things is the whole point of game interaction.

Nice backpedaling. Keep ignoring how it's still a dumbed down movement compared to wall jumping while you focus on semantics. Kek.

>More chicken shit weaseling.

I think you have a thing for weasels man. This is getting weird.

>The point was simply shit

>"the complete dumbing down and hand holding of this new game is completely a non issue!"

This is why you're a nintoddler. If you can't address what I've been excessively telling you is a problem then yes, you're missing the point.

>you've retroactively changed

It's been the same since the start. Like I said you jumped the gun and assumed I meant something else.

>You directly implied it dumbass

There we go with you jumping the gun. See how you're only hurting yourself here? How you took what you thought to be an implication and assumed it was the correct assumption? This is why you're sounding more and more desperate with each post and having less and less of an argument each time. Keep posting so your entire "argument" can just be a series of meta jabs at me and I can take a shot every time you say the word weasel.

>No it actually fucking isn't.

Amazing argument. Future developers will be coming back to this to use it as their framework for level design for years to come.

>And that wasn't even your original point,

My original point was that the level design was shit. When you asked I brought up the series of cubes thing.

>A series of squares isn't actual criticism

I directly explained how it is due to the 3D environment and how it was held back compared to 64. I even gave you highly specific examples. If you can't address them that's not my fault.

>Sigh.

>reddit

>They are required by the game to clear obstacles

Those obsticles being a series of blocks you have to shoot (like a key) or a wall you have to climb "which we've established is as hard as holding 2 buttons". So yea. Gimmicks as they don't do much in the way of interaction compared to previous titles.

>And try to work this out. Say there's a star that's out of reach, that is floating in lava and that you can't grab without dying

In 64 you could do a long jump towards it and tank the damage backwards if you were good enough and didn't lose health on the way there. Proving you were skilled enough to go for it.

>a. Boomerangs

>b. Fireballs

>c. A RECTANGLE

It's funny you say this because that's essentially helping my argument that powerups are nothing but short sited abilties with no depth that are only used to get colectables. Again, you're doing a fantastic job at hurting your own arguments. In older games you would use the wing cap to get a star sure. But in that process you would also have to fly through some hoops with the added advantage of being able to grab some coins you couldn't get otherwise WHILE getting gud at the flying mechanics which had a lot of complexity and skill needed to use it for the trade off of being able to fly to locations and traverse the map more easily. So my answer would be choice D. Drop the game and play a better one.

>>13973626

>lazy port

What happened to Platinum Games?

>>13975575

You're still here? Jesus you really love embarrassing yourself.

>>13975597

Coming from the illiterate weasel fucker with shit taste in vidya I don't take much offense to that.

>>13975656

I'm not a furry and my taste is insanely good and sophisticated. That you're a chicken shit who loves to roleplay as a weasel isn't my problem, I'm only calling them as I see them.

>>13975708

>I'm not a furry and my taste is insanely good and sophisticated

>says the Nintoddler

This is cwc levels of autistic ego's. Thanks for the kek and keep posting.

>>13975711

>green text faggotry

please die.

>>13975804

>hating greentext on image boards

High newfag. Keep posting.

>>13975923

keep (you)ing. It's delicious.

>>13975951

I've already been farming (you)'s since you stopped having an argument. keep posting.

>>13975983

At least I had arguments. You only had autism and faggotry to my rebbuttals and because you can't cope with being exposed as a lying weasel.

>>13976017

>At least I had arguments

You really didn't. All you did was name call like you are now. Which is fine. But you still have no base for anything you've said. No examples or details either other than ones that appear maybe once or twice in the game which did nothing to support your innovation theory. You can't even provide them now because I played the games. If you want to actually debate this shit make a thread on the game and see how well it goes. Also keep posting.