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Boring, too much running around.

Its the Dark Souls of metroidvania games.

>>13905579

>Cuckhead and Pozzman

Generally far too easy. Theres no challenge I could give myself that makes the game difficult enough. No magic, no familiars, no equipment, no subweapons was still a cake walk. Except for one of the optional bosses in the upside down castle.

Kick ass music, though.

>>13905657

Well yeah, most IGAvania games are easy.

>>13905579

This actually got a smirk out of me

>>13905563

Its good. Bosses were too unmemorable and not enough context and explanation for what could've been a very fun story, but the gameplay was very good and the map design was stellar. It kinda suffered from a "path of least resistance" when it came to weapons and approaches though, but its still a great game nonetheless

Too easy yet worth a single playthrough because of the fun gameplay. Emulate it, prices for it are just plain retarded, unless you find it at a garage sale.

>>13905621

>They like to shill for Dice

Haven't we had 3 threads about this shitty game in the last week?

>>13905563

Timeless masterpiece, with great graphics and sound, delicious exploration, but a wee bit too easy.

>>13905880

>>13906279

I'd buy steam release tbh.

>>13906279

No need to make autistc level difficulty, you want to sell to people who actually do something with their lives (aka work) than please a bunch of people who does nothing and have lots of time to try hundreds of times the same level. Don't make it harder, don't make it easier. Just maintain.

Also:

>>13908157

Would buy with improved graphics on steam, but would be even better on switch.

>>13905880

4-5 even, maybe. All of them framed "do you like it?"

>>13909482

And here comes the journo, defending his incompetence.

Go back to your "work", your child rapist.

It killed best ClassicVania's and spawned shit load of crappy copy paste spin-offs. Fuck it.

Also have any of you guys have or played Harmony of Despair? I got to level 5 but have no heads or tail of how to get stronger or to even get good items.

Vanilla, so slow paced and slow walking. not much fluidity. Nevertheless a lot of effort and forefather of igavanias serving as pedestal and blueprint for latter excellent games.

Also excellent soundtrack.

>>13909634

>Implying

I remember Castlevania general, one thread that devolved into castlevania, and nothing more.

>>13909806

Anon said to keep it as it is, not to fucking change the damn thing. Changing games is really fucking shitty, regardless of your objective.

>>13909917

HoD design is a real fucking mess. It's one of my favorite multiplayer games and I still don't understand how it works. I'm guessing you can get better items in later levels and better chests, but the problem is how shitty the loot system is, the level system itself, and how collectives work. It's a pain, and the community being dead doesn't help PC port when?NeverUnless you want pachinko

>>13909918

>Slow walking

The walking is alright, fag, it's the fucking same in the later installments even.

>All these cuckchan posts

SotN is a good game with a weak second half and great OST

>>13909961

The game is objectively more clunky than latter, more polished installations, whether in controls (commands for abilities) or in power ups being slower than latter iterations. (hence slow)

>>13910030

Sure, later games are better polished in almost everything, but the walking speed is constant in those games, I'd say is the same as in SOTN. The only different is that you get to move faster in late game.

>>13905563

One of the best games of its genre, whatever the fuck the genre is called. Metroidvania? Boss-Centric-Action-RPG-Exploration-Platformer-With-Fun-Backtracking-As-A-Key-Feature? Whatever.

Super Metroid is still the king, but this game's probably second place.

>>13910045

jumping in SOTN is really floaty.

>>13909490

Has too many design problems.

>>13910056

I should start the DS game to make a comparison about jumping. From memory, DoS is less floaty.

>>13910054

I'd say Castlevania games and maybe Valdis Story are the only true "Metroidvania" games, but if you don't like the term, Igavania, I guess, but I don't like that one.

Also, the game passing and objective is really different from Super Metroid, so I think the comparison is dumb other than the map system and the focus on exploration.

>>13909911

>>13909899

>cuck cuck cuck cuck

fuck off with your shilling

>>13910252

The genre needs a proper name and definition. Gotta have a huge sprawling freely explorable map, but it has to be gated off in various ways that are bypassed by abilities or equipment you find. Backtracking must be a key feature, and there must be multiple paths and sequence breaks built into the game. RPG mechanics like leveling up are not necessary, but character power progression through ever-increasing abilities or gear is an absolute necessity.

This is all why most castlevania games aren't -vanias. They're just castles.

>>13910336

>sequence breaks

Why? This is not metroid and that shit is stupid. It could be nice if there isn't a single path you an follow to reach the end goal, but sequence breaking as it is implied is just stupid. I do like the power progressing through gear rather than level so some choices of gear can actually be viable. I was thinking in either weapon forging like in Curse of Darkness or just looking for the weapons around.

>>13905563

If they were going to go with Ninja Gaiden like movement then they should have made the enemies die in one hit like NG too.

>>13910359

Certain sequence breaks in super metroid were intended by the developers using moves like the walljump that you don't technically "learn" until later on.

Straight up glitching isn't that entertaining, but using high-precision application of established techniques to forge a new route through the game is really fun.

>>13909490

I like the concept but the stages need to be severely redesigned.

>>13910470

That kinda exists in SOTN already though, although the only instance I can think of it is the beginning of the clock tower, pretty sure you can get to the other side of the falling bridge with enough dexterity. I doubt it was intended though.

Circle of the Moon is a better game. Prove me wrong.

>>13910588

I know, that's what I'm talking about. It's good stuff. Whether intended or not, a sequence break feels good because it feels like you've just accomplished something beyond the bounds of normal play without actually cheating. It's what sets apart SotN and Super Metroid sequence breaks from Metroid Prime 2 sequence breaks - most of which are from glitching through the world geometry and running around the outside space, which is lame and circumvents the game rather than conquers it.

>>13910668

No one can.

>>13910668

>Mediocre Classicvania

>Mediocre Metroidvania

>Half-assed gimmick

>Best anything

Not really.

>>13910693

>without actually cheating

If it's not intended I'd say is cheating and even then I don't see what the appeal actually is. I don't feel like I accomplished any other than unlocking a short cut that doesn't make that much difference in the game.

Salt and Sanctuary is a good game.

>>13910759

I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like CotM: It's a mess that doesn't know what to be. Their focus to be Souls-like™ experience hindered the platforming and combat. It could have been way better.

>>13910769

I mean it had its problems, and I do agree that it could've been better, but I like it for what it is, even if it is flawed in many respects.

reminder that IGA made SOTN piss easy because he wanted females to get into Castlevania (and failed)

>>13910739

>good level design

>good action design

>good pacing (doesn't crawl around at a snail's pace)

Sounds good to me, unlike most of Igarashi's half-assed pieces of crap.

>>13911301

sauce?

Play it on luck mode without the alucard equipment and no grinding. That’s the best way too play it.

>>13911655

>doesn't crawl around at a snail's pace

Nigga what?

190+%ing the game took about 20 hours for me my first time ever and it only occasionally felt slow when I was trying to figure out where to go next (which wasn't too often)

>>13905563

>Opinions on castlevania SOTN?

This is the game that basically KILLED the franchise. No challenge, bad level design, cheesy dialogue, and the time lenght you have to wait when you get a game over killed it for me.

Music was ookay, tho.

>>13911658

interview in GameCenterCX first season

>>13911655

>Good level design

<There's barely any platforming and it becomes trivial in the end

<Platforming isn't designed around Nathan's movement

<Big empty rooms and big empty hallways

>Good action design

<Shit classicvania stiff movement

<Can control momentum

<Double tap to run

>Good pacing

<Double tap to run

<Exploring the castle as Nathan is shit

<There's barely any build up

This game is actually more half-assed than any of the other games. There was barely any thought put on it other than "let's try to make it classic but with SOTN elements!", and it failed so hard that prompted Konami to just make a SOTN clon, that didn't do well either. They figured they needed something better than both, and now we have AoS, which actually did the job and in some instances it have better platforming than CotM does.

>>13911719

>SOTN was followed by 7 games with the same formula

>I-it killed it

Butthurt fags.

>It's easy

>Getting a game

I mean, yeah, it's easy, so really faggot, how?

>>13911940

>>SOTN was followed by 7 games with the same formula

>>I-it killed it

>Butthurt fags.

Fuck off you know what he means and he's completely right.

>>13911981

So how's your Metroidvania games doing now anon since they obviously must be so successful?

>>13911940

>Muh metroidvania iz best gaemz!!111 :DDDDD

And the 3D ones set the destiny of the franchise on stone. And it doesn't matter if Metroidvaniashit gets 7 spiritual sequels, Call of Duty does it every year. And it doesn't make them any less shittier.

>>13911940

>double tab to run

Sausage-fingered bitch detected. Never touch a fighting game.

>>13917564

>And the 3D ones set the destiny of the franchise on stone

No it didn't, which is why saying Metroidvanias did is retarded as well. LoS sold well, yes, LoS Mirror of Fate and LoS2 didn't, which is why Konami didn't bother with them anymore than the rest of the franchise or their other IPs. The reason there are no more Castlevania games in general is because Konami is shit, but Classicvanias and Metroidvanias are even when it comes to representation, the final spurt of each being Order of Ecclesia and Adventure Rebirth.

>>13917816

Last time I checked fighting games doesn't have you constantly running around in a damn castle, faggot, and even in boss fights is a bother because Nathan goes from turtle to fucking rocket.

>>13912072

yeah but

>2.5D

my dick got flaccid when I saw the original concept art and what it turned into

straight outta Makeapp

>>13918147

Yes, it's honestly the only downside of it, but it's so common as a let down recently that I'm unafected by it. It's not saying much, but at the very least it's turning out better than MN9.

As for the concept art, as someone who followed the development from the moment it was announced but never gave a penny, I can tell you it was planned to be 2.5D from the beginning, they even added disclaimers in the bottom of the concept art to avoid the shit show that happened in MN9.

The game would have been perfect if it wasn't for the 2.5D, but even on that regard. it doesn't look bad, just uninspired, like anything done in that style, including Sonic 4 and the new Mega Man game.

I only ever played CV64 and then COTM and then AOS, and borrowed POR from my friend for a few days

COTM > AOS but they're both top tier

It was a goddamn master peice, although I really prefer Aria of Sorrow, due to the fact you get life long wet dream of being THE Dracula himself, shame it was not as creative as Dawn of Sorrow was, the Dawn even had combos nailed, but Aria had classic pixel art which had me going

>>13919107

Retroarch or PPSSPP, retard

>>13910820

A two man team could only do so much, I still do think it's a great game, I could have been even more better, but as the game is, well it's very good regardless.

CUTHULU is your opening boss, souls indeed

>>13918729

>The game would have been perfect if it wasn't for the 2.5D, but even on that regard. it doesn't look bad, just uninspired, like anything done in that style, including Sonic 4 and the new Mega Man game.

God I wish devs would stop doing that shit. At minimum the player and enemy sprites should be 2D and the 3D backgrounds and environments should be soft textured rather than everything looking like it's made of plastic or polished marble.