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Are the mission levels based on the level of your equipment or you as a character? I'm 500+ levels below the recommended level for William and I am wondering if I'm doing something wrong as I'm trying to do the multi-boss fights on the higher difficulties.

Why the hell am I under-leveled?

>>13888579

Those missions exist for the sole purpose of being excessively difficult. Don't worry about them unless you want to hurt yourself.

>>13888591

The highest mission level is 1220. The highest possible character level is 750.

>>13888611

I'm completing the main missions where the level is at 120, but my character level is under 100

>>13888637

The "suggested mission level" is wildly inaccurate above level 100.

>but my character level is under 100

How far under level 100?

>>13888646

around level 85

>>13888637

I'm in a similar situation. I think things jump in level a bit excessively in the 5th area. The missions there also seem to be pretty sparsely populated with enemies, making Amrita more of a chore to get. Not sure if I should grind or just push on and see how it goes.

Any torrents for this anywhere? I heard you can play online with a torrented version.

>>13888651

Don't bother grinding. Your Amrita gain goes up exponentially as the missions do so you are just wasting time if you could do the next one, and levels barely matter anyway

>>13888650

Well if you're completing the missions I wouldn't worry about it too much. In Nioh you'll level up pretty much when you need to level up. Having higher levels is mostly useful for build flexibility. The one exception is Ninja and Magic builds.

You're not hoarding amrita are you?

Will i eventually be able to get my hands on a retardedly long Katana? Those are always fun.

>>13888723

That's what Odachis are for.

All weapons in the same category are functionally the same, save for their basic stats and properties. You can refashion any katana into any other sword, so there's no gameplay change for having it longer.

Odachis are pretty good though. Not necessarily the best DPS, but they have amazing reach and poke.

I don't feel like Nioh is all that fun. There's something about it that feels janky and imprecise compared to the Souls games or Monster Hunter. In Monster Hunter I felt like I could really hunker down and learn the enemy movements and tells, and with good timing I could avoid their attacks and counter well. In souls games I felt like the combat was simpler, but more responsive and I was able to be really aggressive when I wanted to. In Nioh it's like

>nah

>nah fuck that

>I'm just gonna back up 10 feet and wait for them to finish whatever they're doing so I can rush in and stab them once, then run away and repeat

Any attempts to stay close to enemies results in death, usually by grapples against which there is no defense except total avoidance.

>>13888772

Git gud

>>13888772

I hate to be a meme spouting faggot, but >>13888791 . Stop trying to play like dork souls, go in and combo their asses right back.

>>13888772

>Probably plays without 200 Toughness

>Complains about the combat without understanding depleting ki mechanics linked to combos, parries,gunlock, magic,ninjutsu, low stance infinite iframes agility A, mid stance infinite blocking without depleting stamina and the other shit that allows you to play at any range without backing off

Dont get me wrong spacing properly in the game is important and you can probably beat the whole NG ignoring magic,ninjutsu,combos even the living weapon mechanics and all the other shit as long as you are using proper spacing with Agility B iframes against but to claim that you cant agressive make me think you are less than 2 hours in to the game

I had to create a set with 70%+ item drop rate to farm that Tengukiri for that Yagyu set and after going through that I can safely say the effort and farming was eh not really worth it but its fun

>>13888772

>>I'm just gonna back up 10 feet and wait for them to finish whatever they're doing so I can rush in and stab them once, then run away and repeat

There are less enemies with that obscenely long combos in the game than Dark Souls 3.

What enemy are you even talking about?

>>13888849

I never played DS3 so I don't know about that, but I'm talking about just about every single non-trash non-human mob, like onis. They don't flinch so there's no chance of getting good damage in, and they all have grapple attacks that destroy you if you try to stay too close and play the DEX game.

>>13888856

>They don't flinch so there's no chance of getting good damage in

You need to work for your stunlocking m8. Don't expect the game to hand it to you for every enemy.

>and they all have grapple attacks that destroy you if you try to stay too close and play the DEX game.

Grapples are heavily telegraphed with those particle effects. They are also a perfect time to get hits in. Get rid of your memesouls mentality of "block/dodge only".

If you're having trouble formulating a strategy on your own then list your weapons and I'll tell you what to do.

Levels only go up once per soul match unless it has the (rare endgame) property "inherits + level. Price never actually changes while you are fusing the same level gear, but fusing it a bunch of times might increase the cost when you finally want to level it past 150.

There's an Ethereal only property "resets number of soul matches" that will let you resume leveling an item that had been too expensive

>>13888970

I would've seriously considered getting the console version of this game if that helmet had a dangly physics enabled nutsack on it.

I really want to get back to playing the game but it's too fucking hot where I live at the moment to keep my computer running for more that 20 minutes at a time.

>>13888981

>There's an Ethereal only property "resets number of soul matches" that will let you resume leveling an item that had been too expensive

That appears 100% of the time on the frolicking cats kabuto and the blacksmith's hammer.

>>13888594

I know, but I was hoping to finish all the missions one final time before I put the game down for a while and play something else.

>>13889080

Don't use sloth against the DLC bosses, they will have it removed sooner than you can say, "Oh fuck" as they barrel towards you.

>>13889217

>Don't use sloth against the DLC bosses, they will have it removed sooner than you can say, "Oh fuck" as they barrel towards you.

Oh boy did I ever learn that lesson right quick.

Mouse controls are live. Keybinding looks good, going to test my control scheme now

>>13889328

I can't even imagine playing this sort of game with a keyboard and mouse but godspeed for all of you that do.

>>13889357

Imagine using a Bow with a mouse.

>>13889328

Seems to be working well. Binds are as follows:

WASD move

1234 Items

Tab switch item set

E use

Shift dodge/run

Alt slow walk (I'll probably never use this)

CTRL ranged mode

Left click quick attack

right click strong attack

middle mouse lock on

scroll up/down change lock on target

Mouse button 4 (rebound as K in an outside utility, MB4 isn't recognized by the game) Block

Esc menu

G gestures

With stance (space) held

Left click mid stance

right click high stance

Middle click low stance

scroll up change ranged weapon

scroll down change melee weapon

With range (ctrl) held

left click shoot

right click zoon

middle click swap ammo type

I still use my controller for menu navigation currently, as there's no specific bindings for that (it plays off your other binds which may or may not even include bindings for certain buttons)

>>13889376

missed 2. sheathe is stance+MB4 and change spirit is stance +Q (same button as using a spirit)

My god this is so much better with keyboard and mouse. I can dash attack without weird claw grips and knuckle button pressses. I can actually AIM with ranged weapons. I don't have to deal with the stupid Xbox dpad anymore. God this is so fucking comfy. 200 hours on controller and it's from hell and into heaven

>>13889493

You'll probably end up hitting the level cap sooner or later because you have nothing else to spend amirita on.

>>13889493

Gear>>Level. Don't really worry about being over (or under) leveled it's gear that determines whether you are strong enough or even too strong.

>>13889522

Shooting is done from first person

>>13889522

You don't really even NEED the edgelord set. Maybe for the unlimited ammo 7 piece bonus, though sadly you can't combine that with the Takemikazuchi bow damage bonus anyway (would need 10 gear slots)

>>13889534

>bow damage bonus

Oh maybe you can do the same as a single rifle shot then! Seriously that bonus is pretty garbage simply because bows suck, anything with a helmet is immune to it's headshots, and the damage is pathetic compared to a HC especially if we're talking about endgame where you can get hand cannon speed bonuses

>>13889543

It's a speed tradeoff.

Bows have the fastest draw speed, followed by rifles. Hand cannons have an extremely slow draw speed by comparison even with speed up (and keep in mind, bow speed up exists too), and they completely immobilize you, plus put you lower to the ground making it harder to shoot past obstacles. There's also ammo count to consider.

>>13889563

Also faster fire rates as well.

Prior to mouse controls it wasn't much of an issue. You only ever dared pull out a ranged weapon when you were completely safe and could take your time, and for quick shots you use shuriken/kunai ideally. Now that you can aim in real time speed matters a lot.

>>13889568

>>13889563

couldn't you get a ranged weapon that could lock onto the weak spots automatically?

>>13889578

The set bonus only defaults your croshair to the weak point, it does not lock.

There is a weapon property that autolocks, but only to center of mass. It overrides the set bonus

>>13889583

And even then, only if you lock on first. you cant lock at long range

>>13888772

Maybe we should template this for newer players:

>High stance has moves for for breaking guard and draining enemy ki at the cost of fat rolls

>Mid stance makes your blocks cost less ki and lets you regenerate ki while blocking and moving. Counterattack skills are almost exclusively in mid stance

>Low stance gives you more i-frames on dodge and reduces ki cost for dodging

>Nearly every move you make can have their recovery frames cancelled by ki pulsing or evading

>Blocking ki cost is influenced by your weapon's Parry stat, Toughness and the Guard Ki Reduction stat

>Poise/Superarmor is influenced by Toughness

>Toughness breakpoints for blocking ki reduction and poise are at 100 and 200 and continues to be effective for reducing block costs even past 300

>When you are hit, block the next hit instead of attempting to dodge it. If you aren't built for blocking, stay in low stance and don't get hit

>When a Yokai enemy has a black haze around its arms, it is attempting to grapple you. Attempting to block a grapple will end badly for you

>When a Yokai enemy is out of ki every hit it takes staggers it. If you can keep up the pressure you can combo it from 100 to 0 before it can recover

>Buffs from skills and items are in the same category and will overwrite each other. Everything else stacks multiplicatively

Some other interesting things:

>If your weapon has a timely guard related skill like Katana's Tempest/Backwave, landing a timely guard makes the block cost no ki

>Timely guard lasts for a fixed number of frames, and will trigger as many times as incoming attacks that land during those frames

>Hitting human enemies from behind causes them to stagger and become unable to block your combo

>Headshotting human bosses brings them out of living weapon

>>13889602

>>Headshotting human bosses brings them out of living weapon

I remembered this tip from yesterday's thread, and it was the sole deciding factor in my victory over "nothing personnel kid" Maria.

I am really really really reluctant to put points into Body for any reason, but I'm respeccing for Spear + Ninjutsu and it seems like it might be unavoidable unless I want to be doing 30% less damage.

Any advice..?

>>13889602

Here's a stealth tip:

Suppa Scroll's stealth effect DOESN'T disappear if you attack AND KILL an enemy in one hit, i.e. a backstab or a headshot, even if there are other enemies around (unless you physically bump into them during the animation).

>>13889658

>>13889713

Put points into Spirit to unlock your Guardian Spirit bonuses.

Put points into Magic to get sloth talisman and other buffs/debuffs to trivialize bosses.

You have more than enough Dex for ninjutsu unless you're going for a ninja themed build.

Hell, if I were you and playing through for the first time again I'd just go 20 dex 20 magic 25 spirit and spread the rest of my stats evenly until NG+.

Stats don't really matter that much, keeping your gear up to date is way more important.

>>13889762

I do not want magic!

>>13889713

Axes and light armor do not mix. With the slow wind up axes do, you will get flinched from the lack of toughness as quick attacks from the enemy sneak through.

Holy fuck mouse aim trivializes bosses with living weapons.

>>13889931

Is it finally time for the Yatagarasu build to shine?

>>13889995

Thematically yes, but the set bonus does nothing useful other than the unlimited ammo, which isn't good enough for a 7 piece.

"Auto target weak point" only defaults your aim to the weak point. If you are any good at aiming with a mouse you don't need that at all. Plus target lock in KB+M is fucked up because moving the mouse changes targets and AFAIK there's no way to turn that off.

>>13888970

The valve helmet shoots bigger jets of steam during living weapon. It's alright.

>>13889563

Too bad speed means basically nothing when you do 50% less per shot compared to a rifle. This is assuming normal ammo type too, if we go into the special ammo it's greater because the bow's is more for ki depletion than actual damage like the rifle's.

Excluding that the set bonus for the bow damage up, assuming you're trying to go for a ranged build, isn't enough to make up for you constantly pissing through ammo even with a shadowround talisman up. The Yatagarasu is the surefire bet set, and then you'd want to use a rifle just for the more damage per shot especially in later NGs where headshots aren't going to always kill

>>13890052

Matters plenty when all you really want to do is headshot something to make it fall down so you can final blow it

>>13890064

better hope it's not a human with a helmet then if you're trying for headshots

>>13890083

That only applies to the basic guards. It doesn't apply to bosses or any of the DLC humans

>>13890083

Aim for the chin.

>>13890101

Yeah, I too want to do way less on my main attack method just to… what exactly? The bow fire rate is basically garbage because it's insignificantly faster than a rifle, the reload rate is slower but that's only if you manage to botch a shot.

If we're just using it as a method for getting final attacks then why would you even bother using a set for it and not just get a final blow set.

>>13890123

that actually sounds like a plan

What's a good light__ armor to use with swords? And what's a good backup weapon that isn't ds?

How well is the kusarigama compared to the other weapons? I picked it as my secondary weapon choice in the beginning of the game for shits and giggles but I kind of think the spear moveset is really cool. I'm not really fond of anything else but the odachi and single katana.

>>13890394

Grab one and try it out. Respeccing is cheap, especially if you pay via glory. You can get a few thousand per coop mission which'll pay for a few respecs.

>>13890410

Dual wielding swords is the most immature edgy teenage bullshit in video gaming to date. Especially katanas.

>>13890417

This tbh.

>>13890353

I had been using the Tactician's ingenuity set in NG until I farmed the Yagyu set in NG+.

Odachi, Spear and Axe are great backup weapons to go with swords. Spears are governed by the body stat which works well with the heart stat(you get to increase both Health and Ki) and Strength governs both Odachi and Axes. I think Odachi is the only weapon with a proper guard break move which works great against humanoid bosses/enemies.

Making my way through wotd

this shit is getting hard

>>13890413

>green fucko ogre boss fight

>spam water sword 2

>win

>>13890527

Wasn't he a jackass who won a duel by challenging someone to battle three times and didn't show up for three days and then stabbed the persons ass when he did not expect it?

>>13889602

>Headshotting human bosses brings them out of living weapon

Does this mean if you time shit correctly you can end enemy LWs with an overhead strike, like when you succesfully hit an oni in the horns?

>>13890527

That poem reads like it was written by Bike Cuck.

>>13890830

Humans normally fall down when head shot. Can you knock them to the ground with a single overhead strick to the face? If so, I'd imagine that you can cancel LW that way. Do the headshot LW cancels work in pvp?

>decide to try out a twilight mission

>familiar map but enemies are all different, kinda neat

>drop down and activate a gas cloud

>juro gummo pops out of it

>kill her

>she wasn't the objective

>check objective

>just basically says "win, nerd"

This is how it's gonna be, is it? I mean, she's not a problem, but any boss could just emerge from any fart cloud at any time, huh? That what's up?

>>13891045

the objective is the same as in the main mission

If I am guessing it right you're on the mission where you need to kill the onmyo mage leader after a bossfight with that gun toting birdfuck

>>13891234

Yup, that was the one. I barely even remembered that mission, since both times I've encountered it I've jumped down the hole immediately and killed the boss without realizing that there was another path until afterwards.

The spider lady put up more of a fight than harvey birdman, too. That guy needs a buff or a room with a higher ceiling or something. You can just melee him out of the air for final blows, it's ridiculous.

Just how important are the starting bonus stats? I chose +1 body, ki, and spirit.

>>13891272

Doesn't matter for absolute shit.

>>13891256

>You can just melee him out of the air for final blows

Item spamming motherfuckers deserve no better.

>>13891272

Not at all

>>13891272

They ain't worth shit nigger.

>>13890527

>giving a shit about a 95% made up historical character

When do I get an armor set with Odachi benefits?

I also haven't seen one with a Kusarigama either.

>>13891579

Not until the first DLC if I had to guess. That's when those weapons were added to the game.

>>13891595

I am halfway(?) through it and I haven't encountered any set for odachis. Even the Odachi master is just the way of the warrior master.

Also kusarigama is in the base game.

How do I stat/play axe and which set are fun with it? They're the only weapon I have yet to max proficiency with.

>>13891579

I think Hanzo's set has a gama, but I don't know if you get any damage bonuses for it.

>>13891767

Just block when you are about to be attacked.

>>13891843

What's the cooldown on it and how many frames are active timely frames? Because when enemies spam combos at me, I keep rapidly tapping block, and I'll block every hit, but generally never get a timely guard out of it.

>>13891885

>What's the cooldown on it

There isn't any

>but generally never get a timely guard out of it.

Timely guard is just reduced Ki used on guard. Any other stuff is just bonus that comes from skills(like backwave) or gear special effect(like reflect damage)

>>13891954

Backwave is mainly what I'm talking about.

It's supposed to knock fuckers back and stop their combos, but it almost never activates. Is it only against humans, not yokai? I rarely bother to block against humans.

>>13891579

Date Shigezane has an odachi as a human, so I guess him? But definitely not before Dragon of the North since that's the DLC where the odachi was introduced. The DLCs really aren't too hot content wise but they definitely brought a lot of changes to the game as a whole.

Speaking of which, I know the abyss didn't exist until Bloodshed's end and Twilight missions give the items required to access it, did they appear with the DLC as well or did they just add the cracked ochokos as rewards ?

>>13891988

Yokai in general can't be parried. Its only humanoid enemies which can be parried. Backwave follows the same rules as parries because it can be followed up by tempest.

Holy fuck is the chicken boss pure no fun allowed.

>>13892582

It's basically a giant Tengu, it fights exactly like one.

shoot its horn

>>13892659

First actual third DLC boss since literally all the bosses of the second DLC are recycled in the third. It's a chicken skeleton that throws poison and wind all over the place and little else.

>>13892697

It spins constantly if you so much as get near it, flys around, dives you, pretty much a tengu.

Like I said, shoot the horn and it falls down. Also chug some Daion-jin's Sake for elemental protection unless you feel like doing no damage

>>13892725

>Also chug some Daion-jin's Sake for elemental protection unless you feel like doing no damage

Does "Reduced Elemental Damage (Guarding)" and "Received Elemental Damage Taken" also reduce the speed of elemental ailment build-up and/or nullify it if you're at 100% elemental reduction?

>>13892761

It completely nullifies it unless its a red / boss monster that has the debuff listed as one of its mods.

>>13892798

Alright, that's pretty dope.

>>13892769

You already have all the DLC you dope.

>>13892761

>>13892798

It does nothing at all until you hit 100%, then it nullifies it.

the Sake nullifies it completely even if you take the damage.

>>13890912

>Do the headshot LW cancels work in pvp?

YES

Which is why I expect this KB/M patch is gonna make pvp really interesting :^)

and by interesting I mean mexican standoffs where everyone has a gun out and is just waiting for their opponent to make a move so they can punish

>>13892913

I wouldn't be be too cocky. There's a couple of armor sets that let you ignore 100% of ranged damage if you build it right.

>>13892996

Those pics are why I love japan.

>>13893242

You have no fucking idea. Those pics are just the tip of the fartberg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He-gassen

>>13893255

It's literally just a comic strip.

>>13893255

>he-gassen

>he gas 'em

Why do japs have the weirdest coincidence in names?

>>13893291

The funny thing is that the "gassen" part is "competition" or "battle". The "he" part is "fart".

>>13891988

>>13893293

Speaking of timely guard, I love using deflect projectiles (timely guard) to kill Cannon Oni.

>>13891368

Should dual wield shield and bash fuckers instead.

How do you people even play this game? I just tried a second time to do this twilight mission and there's nothing enjoyable about playing the game at all. Defeating enemies doesn't feel satisfying. Attacks don't have any weight to them, and movement just all around feels kind of bad, like you have a joystick but there's really only 8 directions that register (not literally but that's how it feels). There are way too many fucking floating numbers and when enemies die you can't even really tell what's going on because they turn into fountains of sparkling lights and shit and cover the ground in more sparkling lights. None of the weapons seem to have fun movesets, and you're almost forced to rely on spears because having distance is the only reliable defense. Everybody says blocking is amazing, but blocking even minor attacks drains all stamina and leaves you wide open.

I'm really struggling to find anything even cordially enjoyable about the game.

>>13893743

What level are you?

>>13893748

Level 18, twilight mission was level 15. I just gave up, it's nothing but oni, oni, and more oni and no matter how many I kill it just doesn't feel satisfying. This is also the third fucking time I've had to do a mission in the starter village and I'm getting sick of the repetition.

>>13892838

because I got it on console before the game came out on PC

>>13893743

Are you using ki pulses and stance switching? Perhaps read this post, it might clear something that you previously didn't know >>13889602

>>13893771

You'll start getting the hang of things and begin entering the main phase of the game once you've hit the 100 hour mark

<beat game; NO DIVINE ODACHI

AAAAAAAA

>>13893743

what?

lmao SPEAR for distance?? you use spear to leap.

You have to block in mid stance, and it's usually better to block just a bit before the attack hits.

>>13893817

Because Odachi is a DLC weapon

Also apparently that "recover stray projectiles" attribute is fucking unique to those first-time divine weapons, wish I had known that before I scrapped them

>>13893817

The only weapon with a leap attack is the axe though. The spear just has that big overhead swing in high stance or the wide slash in mid stance.

Why is there so much complaining about this game in here? When I played it on PS4 (single kat OF FUCKING COURSE) it was incredibly satisfying to play once I got the hang of it - I don't see how that could have changed from a PC port. Are anons on 8/v/ really this bad at videogames now?

>>13893842

WRONG

Spear has a fucking pole vault move that lets you drop attack enemies afterward

>>13893846

Bullshit there are no pole vault moves in any of the three stances. How do you do it?

>>13893842

if you used the skill tree, you would know you could dash forward after a combo and you could leap around real fast. after another upgrade, you can also cancel in mid air during the leap and drop down to hit someone.

just play the game harder

>>13893836

couldn't you get infinite ammo instead, seems worthless

>>13893848

Flying Monkey II. The last skill on the list directly above the ranged damage green skill

>>13893858

>>13893852

So you're telling me the game sucks shit until I grind enough levels to unlock movesets that aren't boring?

>>13893861

If you seriously aren't finding it satisfying, uninstall the game. To me the entirety of that game was like taking Dark Souls and mixing it with Onimusha, and being aggressive and quick was just so fuckin fun. Of course there were frustrating parts, but never enough to make me even consider stopping.

Just sounds like it's not for you, nigga.

>>13893848

You have to learn it. You'll probably need to beat way of the warrior: adept or wotw: expert in the dojo in order to unlock that skill.

If you're not having fun try kusa. You may end up having too much fun. I'm trying to wean myself of of that weapon and onto axes.

>>13893861

No, you can beat side missions and use hair locks to get more samurai/ninja/ezmagic points and also leveling up in general, but you get a lot of amrita, so don't sweat it.

Since poise/toughness is an actual thing in the game, getting hit you can actually block or dodge away instead of being nuked to 0 hp.

>>13893876

Flying Monkey II only requires Way of the Warrior: Novice, which I think is unlocked completing the first region

>>13893880

>>13893876

You can get the base Flying Monkey without completing any dojo missions.

>>13893861

Samurai skill points are easy as fuck to come by. The hell is this slut going on about?

How much is actually factored into that big "Attack" number on a weapon? I have a suspicion that it doesn't actually include any of your assorted Increased Damage bonuses, Armor bonuses, Guardian Spirit bonuses and so on. I say this because I just increased my odachi from 150+1 to 150+4, and the number only icreased by about 150, but the in-mission damage is hitting things like a god damn truck all of a sudden.

>>13893861

Don't ever grind. Amrita gains are exponential, which means the farther you go, the more you get - and the amount you get eventually outpaces your ability to spend it from what I've heard. I'm not there yet, but I was just fucking around in some Way of the Strong early-game content and without realizing it had 10 million amrita just chilling there in the corner.

>>13893929

>I'm not there yet, but I was just fucking around in some Way of the Strong early-game content and without realizing it had 10 million amrita just chilling there in the corner.

Bullshit. Once I got The Demon King Revealed unlocked on WotS I went there for some easy fast amrita gains because they hand you Hanzo and Okatsu for the first half of the level. Killing everything up to the end only got me around 8M.

>>13893950

When did you do that level? They've rebalanced amrita gains several times since the initial released. Also it's going to depend on your armor attributes and your GS.

>>13893950

Not sure what to tell you, anon. You must have sucked shit at getting amrita somehow.

I did a few missions in the Kyushu region and got 10 million. I just now did Bridge of Bone and got 3.5 million from that in just 10 minutes.

>>13893950

Immediately after beating Orochi I went to some boss rush mission and repeatedly got my ass kicked repeatedly. Before I realized I had around 12 million amrita and a lot of ogress claws and whatever the dumb spider leaves behind

>>13893950

>>13893982

I just did Way of the Strong Isle of Demons to test. Without going out of my way to kill anything or using any shrines (or sake) I got 1,953,168 amrita. First time clear exploring the map and maybe attempting certain parts multiple times you could easily end up with 5m from that mission alone. Isle of demons is NOT a particularly good farming mission,

He didn't say which missions he completed, how many, or how much he killed in them. Ending up with 10m Amrita in way of the strong before you even notice it is NOT difficult.

>>13894055

>He didn't say which missions he completed, how many, or how much he killed in them. Ending up with 10m Amrita in way of the strong before you even notice it is NOT difficult.

>>13893929

>without realizing it had 10 million amrita just chilling there in the corner.

I took this to mean he searched a corpse in a corner and it gave him 10M. Getting 10M in WotS isn't hard, I just thought he said he got it all at once.

>>13894101

You misunderstood then. What was meant by that statement is that he was sitting on 10m unspent amrita that he only just noticed

Just something to look forward to: Way of the Wise adds new attacks to many enemies. For example, One-Eyed Oni will attempt to sit on you if you go behind them, and large axe-wielding skeletons will use an attack similar to mad spinner. Bosses are included too, Giant Toad has an attack where he twirls his spear over his head to hit 360 degrees multiple times for instance

>>13894143

Are any new enemy moves unlock in WotN, or is it just stat and resistance buffs?

>>13894150

As far as I can tell the new moves are all in WotW

>>13894230

In that Twilight Mission version she can be. She has a LOT more health/defense than normal and there are little spider eggs and oni-bi all over the place to mess you up. Harder than birdman, and I've had some difficulty with him at times too (mainly because I don't equip Kunai)

>>13894230

I said "more of". As in "a feather is more of a threat than a flower".

She hit me with her silk spit once. I was more annoyed by her army tiny spiders destroying my framerate than anything she was up to.

>>13894245

I was ready with those kunai. Hell, i was ready with just about my whole arsenal since I'd never done a mission this high level before. I used almost nothing.

You can just knock him out of the air with any melee attack that reaches above your shoulders - odachi excels at this.

>>13894248

I've died to her on that twilight mission many times in WotW and WotN. Anywhere else she appears in the game, including the Abyss, is fine, but right there there are enough adds to really fuck me up and I swear she has quadruple her normal health

>>13894263

Yeah, she was definitely tanky. You don't get the benefit of those mysterious chunks you pick up on Spider Nest Castle that remove her leg armor, at the very least.

>>13894205

As a general rule most of the human bosses can be fucking destroyed by either headshots, groundfires, or yokai water pots to exhaust their Ki or knock them down, setting them up for insta-kills. That's of course discounting the use of Sloth or Weakness if you want to fight them without ground-fucking them.

"Chicken guy" aka Saiga Magoichi aka the guy that uses that one banned yugioh card as his guardian spirit is definitely one of the easiest human bosses in general. He just doesn't do much that's threatening other than one grab attack, and he has a triple-shot combo thing that can fuck you up if you repeatedly try to heal without doing anything else other than trying to heal. That's it. They had to add a mechanic where your lock-on drops when he teleports to try to make him more challenging, but he's still easier than fucking Onryoki.

I think the reason he's so easy is because not much is recorded about the guy he's based on, other than the gun thing, so they didn't want to give him too much power. Then again Oda Nobunaga is also one of the easiest bosses and he's supposed to be Samurai Jesus.

>>13894328

I think Nobunaga is easier than Magoichi actually. He doesn't have ANYTHING remotely threatening, at best there's the fact that he spams Living Weapon and can inflict multiple elements (ie confusion), but he's so easy to overpower it doesn't matter.

Magoichi actually guards like a bitch if you aren't knocking him down all the time.

>>13894328

>but he's still easier than fucking Onryoki

He's easier than tengu. If that guy was anything special in real life, he's spinning in his grave right now.

>>13894682

Too bad tonfa suck donkey dick. They could be fun to use but not at the cost of doing absolutely no damage

>>13894731

They're great fun for running lower level twilight missions for the umbracite.

>Full strength with other stats

>Hit like a freight train against all humans except bosses

It's not bad, after figuring out weaknesses of opponents and how ki works I've had a lot more fun than earlier. I'm still not perfect and die like a retard often though.

>>13894855

>How so?

Their damage output makes them tedious to use in higher level missions, but in lower level missions where their damage output actually feels good, you can have a blast beating everything to death with your flippy-dippy arm-clubs. They're really flashy and it almost feels like playing yakuza at times.

>>13894731

>They could be fun to use but not at the cost of doing absolutely no damage

They're hard to beat when it comes to staggerable enemies, and for non-staggerable enemies you can get by with the L1+△ High Stance attack for raw damage and the iFrames on ki burst will protect you from retaliation.

>>13895343

Half health.

Don't "eat" the bonfires. They kill the adds for you. Use onmyo magic fire talismans or else consumable fire talismans. Other than that just hug his body and dodge when he attacks like once every 10 seconds

>>13895358

I actually realised that after seeing the first Mini-Bozu evaporate as the fight starts.

I've already got some Onmyo talismans, but they seem really short lived. The bonfires last much longer, but I think the lack of adds is worth the loss of damage.

>>13895343

Umi bozu is a chore, even when severely overleveled since he pretty much only takes fire damage. I don't even want to imagine fighting him without fire and with all his mini-mes.

Last phase starts at third health. He's aggressive but has a few windows when you can safely pop a hyottoko mask, which absolutely ruins his shit.

>>13894354

We know there was a Saika clan of mercenaries which liked the Yatagarasu. Magoichi is their presumed head because there had to have been one. If you like the concept of the guy, play Samurai Warriors 2 and 3 where he is more fleshed out. Or go Sengoku Basara where he's a chick and just about the only character in this game that isn't a cartoon.

>>13895437

There's 999 floors of the abyss that get progressively harder. Each floor takes one boss from the game and gives him a bunch of different buffs ranges from increased attack to inflicts everything and the kitchen sink on you if he so much as breathes at you.

There are also 4 global effects in the boss arena (unrelated to whatever buffs the boss gets) which can optionally be deactivated by completing a randomized selection of levels generally drawn from the normal game levels but with different enemy placements. They do repeat, so they are randomly chosen but not randomly generated.

The Abyss is primarily postgame. All floors after number 30 unlock by completing the game's 5th difficulty, Way of the Nioh. As for rewards, you have to go pretty deep into the abyss to find anything significantly better than what you get normally, though drops are generally more common at least from the begging. Clearing small sections of the abyss can also be helpful in upgrading existing gear.

Oh, and if you do co-op in the abyss not only are the bosses generally stronger; but you also have to fight two different ones at once.

That and PVP which I don't think is terribly popular are pretty much what the game has for post-game content. Of course, there's 5 difficulty modes to clear diablo-style before you get there. Co-op in the regular game levels pretty much just amounts to your summoned partner one-shotting everything for you because there's no limits on levels for matchmaking outside the fact that you need to have a mission unlocked to be summoned there.

>>13895437

>endgame dynamics (which include general replayability within a single playthrough and online) are somewhat important to me.

Well you've come to the right place you meme loving fuck.

>Gear system that makes playing and replaying any mission worth it if only for the cash, which seems useless at first but becomes direly important in endgame

>Four NG+ cycles with new shit added each time, NG+ is just optimizing your gear, NG++ actually unlocks gear level past 150, each cycle cleared raises the level cap for you, your gear, and your guardian spirits

>Virtually infinite abyss mode

>Coop and harder versions of missions reward with the most important smithing items in the game

>Cheevo system which gives permanent bonuses borderlands 2 style

The content is MMO tier, to put it simply.

>>13895437

There's a cracked version. Try it before you buy?

>>13895469

The abyss is not infinite. There are 999 floors. You can find a list of the bosses you face here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c1xP5QOzmwpvnTidWkvqQRxgCWShLBKPyEyH_eOq2vM/edit

>>13895486

That's why I said virtually. There's also the defile mechanic which encourages replaying floors anyway.

>>13895437

But anon, all games are free.

>>13890766

Can someone explain the significance of this?

>>13895743

Not hard enough. You min/max or you go home, kid.

>>13895743

Yes.

Get your spirit up a bit so you can use the special bonuses on your guardian spirit. For instance, if you are using Kato the fire dog getting your spirit up to 10 will grant you a 15% bonus to all skill damage, which is WAY more damage than 4 points of Skill (attribute) could possibly grant. That's just one example, and there are many other guardian spirits with different bonuses and higher requirements.

Second, get your Toughness up to AT LEAST 100 by wearing heavier armor, and then increase your Stamina to bring your Agility back down to A rating. 200 toughness and B rating is much much better, but if you have to be light, at least get 100. Toughness determines your ability to block attacks and to not be staggered.

Third, a few points in Magic would really help you a lot. You already have Ninjutsu, but some Omnyo abilities like Sloth can be totally game breaking, others are just really useful depending on your build and playstyle.

Body, Heart, and Strength can all be mostly ignored. Body isn't terrible for life and heart for ki, but you can wait till later to deal with that if you want.

>>13895792

Of course, Body and Strength are both common stat requirements on armor. If your armor attributes are greyed out you don't have enough stats.

I have no idea what stats I should be getting. I'm using an odachi and so far light armor. I've put the majority into strength so far, since it seemed like the obvious choice and the game claims it's what benefits odachis the most.

>>13895942

Odachis do gain the most damage from strength, but the difference is rather minimal compared to heart, which increases your maximum Ki. All strength does is increase your max equip weight, and it's not even as efficient in doing so as Stamina, which happens to be the Odachi's third stat.

Id say worry about Weapon scaling later. At lower levels you should be more concerned with what the attribute itself offers. Stamina for heavier armor, magic/dex for onmyo/ninjutsu, spirit for guardian spirit effects, maybe skill for improved ki pulses.

who the hell localized nio to nioh?

also its just a hercules rip off, nice meme nippon, keep stealing culture like always

>>13895343

Don't use the bonfires, his glowing parts are the weakness which means you should be using your ranged attacks on his face AFTER he uses his water cannon attack which leaves him open.

If you don't have any ranged weapons then you need to bait his arms attacks and hit those. Again, the glowing part is the weak spot there, you do double the damage when you hit those instead of just the black mass.

Another handy tip is that it only receives reduced damage from physical attacks so if you have a weapon that does non water elemental attacks then you can almost double your DPS.

>>13895743

why are you using spears if you aren't even investing in their primary stat?

>>13896185

Dodging only gives 6 i-frames. You CANNOT dodge every attack in the game.

>>13896193

>Dodging only gives 6 i-frames. You CANNOT dodge every attack in the game.

I'm not talking about spot dodging or abusing iFrames, I'm talking about outright not being in the attack range when the attacks come out.

>>13896153

Because I started off with Tonfas and then found out that they were spammy as fuck and got bored.

>>13896223

>I'm not avoiding magic, but I'm not putting points in it because I don't like it

That means you're avoiding it you retarded mongoloid

>if I can't get by WITHOUT those buff abilities then I'm just going to outright quit the game.

Don't fucking post in this thread asking for advice then.

>>13896185

>Because I started off with Tonfas and then found out that they were spammy as fuck

I mainly use tonfas so I assume you mean using demon dance to basically hit for days while avoiding some attacks, but the fun in the weapon comes from mixing the stances and skills and getting a rhythm to them. Also there's an item to respec.if you are want to move from skill to mainly body for spears.

>>13896263

Skill raises significantly more additional stats than Body does, which is why I've invested in it. When I was leveling up at the shrine after respeccing, I put 40 points into body at first to see the difference and it didn't seem altogether significantly higher.

Plus I have a weapon that adds an additional B scaling for Skill (and posted a screenshot of it) and I'm hoping that's something I can recreate in future stronger weapons as well since it doubles up on a stat that also improves Ki Pulse and Ninjutsu power rather than just being a dump stat for life.

>>13896279

>Skill raises significantly more additional stats than Body does

The softcap for that was 30 levels ago.

All your investments beyond 15 aren't worthwhile just for raising numbers because of diminishing returns.

>>13896279

You can reforge "change to X" onto weapons if they don't come with it. They take less time to find if you use umbracite, otherwise you'll have to pray Tomoe likes you when you try to reforge with iron chunks.

>>13896294

>>13896279

Skill is really overloaded as an attribute.

>It improves the most weapons, including all types of ranged weapons

>It improves ki pulse quickly and noticably

>it grants samurai skill points quicker than any other stat

>It improves ninjutsu power

>It's a required attribute on many types of armor

Personally, I would delete Stamina and Body from the game and apply their effects to Strength and Heart respectively

>>13896366

You get plenty, and late game you get samurai points based on your level rather than the stats you raise. It matters early game though, when you are trying to unlock the skills for your main weapon(s) as fast as possible to use them.

>>13896354

>Skill is really overloaded as an attribute.

past 10 the returns it gives are negligible.

>5 HP 1 point of damage and 1 ninpo with no points

>vs something like stamina which gives 10 HP, damage scaling for odachi and axes and extra weight

Its a dump stat if you're not using Tonfas.

>>13895469

What's the differnce between each NG+ difficulty? Is there a list of all the changes? Here's what I know

>All NG+ have buffed stats and changed enemy placements

>All NG+ raise level caps for you, guardian spirits, weapons, and divine weapon (+) levels

>WotS unlocks 150 +10 divine weapons or was it +15?

>WotD ???

>WotW gives many standard enemies and bosses new attacks

>WotN gives enemies and bosses high resistance to sloth so using Makibishi is the new preferred cheese strategy

>>13897141

WotD unlocks gear past level 150. Haven't been too far into it but that's the main draw.

>>13897624

>my hotkeys are filled to the brim with ninjutso shit

Have you purchased the two extra hotkey sets from the blacksmith?

>>13897564

Well I did list

>All NG+ raise level caps for you, guardian spirits, weapons, and divine weapon (+) levels

But I only listed it one WotS because it was one I specifically knew the numbers for. No idea what the new caps is for WotDemon, Wise, or Nioh, aside from character level 750 on Nioh.

>>13897695

Damn, how much Onmyo magic power does that take?

>>13897695

>Also I've hit 30 dex which I hear is the cap for ninjutsu slots

I think when you get to high NG+ difficulties the cap is raised by about 10 slots.

>>13897727

What is matador sekllingman going to do with ramen?

>>13897661

Oh shit, just recently unlocked that Patronage thing and had not looked closely at everything. Thanks this will help a ton.

>>13897695

Spirit is fine right now at least for my Paired Raiken, but maybe I should start spending some more points there in anticipation for a better spirit. On the topic, can someone explain to me when the Guardian Spirit Protection comes into play. When I activate my living weapon or is it always on?

>>13897719

When I made a build like this I needed around 70+ to get really solid damage. Notice too he's using Genbu for extra magic power. The trick to a build like this is putting unlimited onmyo on every piece of armor and putting other reforges that help with magic. An onmyo headpiece speeds up your casting.

The real secret it to get discord/confusion on your opponent as quick as possible. See how he's alternating the onmyo shot.

>>13897744

>Spirit Protection

It's always on as long as you haven't losts you spirit or it isn't recharging.

>>13898778

>skill and dex min'd relative to the rest

you filthy min/maxer

>>13896440

It's more than one point. Without directly testing I can't say how much, but I think it's 3, 2, 1 repeating. It's especially good if you have two different weapons because the ONLY things that don't scale off skill are axes and odachis. If you use something like Sword+Gama or basically any other combination that doesn't use axe or odachi stacking skill means improving both weapons by roughly the same amount

That and ki pulse, which is a fairly useful stat by itself making your attacks much more efficient, skill is the best weapon stat in the game because it does basically everything.

>been using odachi for at least half of my 122 hours

>just learned a move i've never seen before

<must be locked on

<must be mid-combo

<dodge backwards

<immediately press quick attack to do a forward somersault leapslam

What is this move? Is this just a part of the normal moveset? I can't find it anywhere in the skill tree.

What other advanced moves am I missing out on here?

>>13899136

I believe you are just talking about the high stance backstep attack. You don't need to be locked on or mid combo, you just have to be in high stance and do a backstep.

The lowstance backstep move is exactly the same as a mid stance swing, which could be useful as normal lowstance moves lack much reach and dodging in lowstance is expected.

>>13899174

No, it's from mid-stance. I've been trying over and over various ways, and it only works if you dodge backwards while locked on first.

I thought it was just a Waking Winds: Heaven variation, but my stance remains in mid-stance after the flip-slam. It's not Tiger's Blade, either, which I've never even been able to pull off.

It's a clear leap forward covering considerable distance followed by a two-handed vertical overhand slam that comes out extremely fast - also clearly distinct from Groundquake.

After further testing, I'm even more puzzled. The move itself is indeed the high stance backstep attack, but it's coming out in mid-stance under circumstances I'm still trying to figure out. While testing, I've also seen the mid-stance backstep attack come out while in high stance.

I can't reliably duplicate either, so I'm starting to think it's a bug that has to do with rapid stance changing.

Got it. Here's the sequence:

>mid-stance quick attack

>backstep

>BEFORE BACKSTEP ENDS: switch to high stance

>immediate quick attack into high stance slam

>mid-slam switch back to mid-stance

It's tying my fingers in knots pulling it off, but the sequence is reliable. How the fuck I've been doing it without even noticing is something I can't explain. Did my body git gud before my brain?

>>13899243

Nope. The forward flip comes from a back ROLL. Simple as that. If you backstep twice in mid stance you roll, then quick attack and you get the same flip as a roll from highstance.

If you try the thing you are talking about you get a forward step and a horizontal slash, provided you do it quick enough to hit the attack while still in backstep.

>>13899267

>if you backstep twice in mid stance you roll

Holy shit, you're absolutely right. It all makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that up, anon.

>>13899279

It's not thinly veiled at all. There are no veils. The title of the thread is literally NIOH.

>>13899279

How many koku of rice did this post cost you?

Gemfire a best.

>>13899289

I swear to fucking god don't get me excited by seeing a Nobunaga's ambition cover as the image on the catalog, then have the game not be Nobunaga's ambition.

>>13899295

>>13899279

I'm sorry anon I'll do better next time.

Do PVP armor buffs work in PVE?

I got one from an anima stone that says "Bonus when out of Ki (Increase Ki Recovery Speed)" and it has the PVP crossed swords next to it.

Is that ability disabled if I'm not in a PVP arena situation?

>>13900053

I think they do but I'm not 100% certain. That is provided that the buff doesn't require an ally/opposing player to trigger.

Anyone else have any idea?

Why does it feel like there's such a gulf in difficulty between the DLC and base game? Or at least a gulf in levels.

>>13900361

Cause the DLCs are borderline post game turf.

>>13900361

The mission level is pretty much meaningless once you've passed the 100 mark. It's all gear at that point.

I think you're expected to have a full set of divine gear for the DLC, but I don't think you really need it by any stretch. Just gather as you go.

The actual difficulty of the missions and bosses doesn't really feel out of place to me, other than the bosses and new enemy types in general being a bit more fast and aggressive.

>>13901822

>asking for steam friends

You know you're just going to get wolfspider and no one else, right?

>>13901835

I want to play with humans, not furries

>>13901822

I need every single Kefla scene edited like this with full audio and subs.

>>13901822

I would, but it wouldn't be very fun for either of us for me to walk around one-shotting everything for you. When you get to floor 31 in the abyss we can talk.

>>13899127

>It's more than one point

It isn't unless you put in 5 points at which point you get 3 points. Beyond its softcap the Ki pulsing stat has negligible returns.

Am I understanding defilement correctly?

>defile item

>clear that floor and two more floors for maximum potential defilement bonus

>leave abyss

Just testing it out, I defiled some junky +4 axe I had in my inventory. Is it normal for the item to not change whatsoever, because its stats are all exactly the same.

I REALLY WISH BODY WASN'T THE MAIN ATTACK STAT FOR SPEAR

It's a fucking dump stat that does nothing and shouldn't even be in the game, FUCK.

I beat the 4th boss and so far the game has been underwhelming.

Does it get better?

>>13902072

Filthy gaijin, get defilement cucked. You are supossed to defile at floor 28 and leave after 31 for best gains

>>13902121

Underwhelming in what respects?

>>13902132

She's easy as fuck until she gets more supporting enemies in higher difficulties.

>>13902133

Bosses(except 4th)

Regular enemies

Level design

Loot system

>>13902132

She was easy to me too, the ice boss which comes a mission or so after that was easy as fuck too.

I just emptied my ninjutso into them with a defense reduction and sloth talismam.

>>13902130

Oh, so it's strictly tier-based, then?

Since the highest possible drop on floor 4 (that I found) was +4, then my item couldn't have been better than +4 since that's the floor I exited?

I'll clear up to 30, then, and see if defiling at 27 gives me a stronger item. Even just a few +levels would be nice.

It'll be a while before I'm able to unlock floor 31+ after all.

What's the loot progression again, by the way? Do I have this right?

>WotSa - Exotics to 150

>WotSt - Divines to 150+10

>WotD - Exotics to 350

>WotW - Divines to 350+10

>WotN - Ethereals to 350+150

I'm just guessing based on the gear I've seen on revenants (in the pre-fight overview, the gear obviously gets scrubbed before it's dropped to lower difficulties). Basically, after about level 200 I stop seeing anybody with divines anymore.

>>13902159

Hate the loot system. Enemies and bosses will get new moves on the fourth difficulty tier, level design is hit and miss. There will be much better bosses later on, and larger groups of enemies that test your ability to manage the chaos. Also, there will be double humanoid bosses available after the main campaign. If you get bored to easily and the game isn't hard enough, feel free to skip most side missions. Ignore recommended level.

>>13902163

Complaining about the game being easy when you're on your first playthrough and using sloth is akin to complaining about easy mode being too easy.

>>13902130

Not entirely accurate.

First, you need to complete at least 4 total floors. Continuing to the next floor 3 times and then leaving on (or after) the 4th. You'll notice a number on your defiled item that increments once every time you move on to the next floor and caps at 3.

Second, you need to leave on or after floor 31. The higher the better theoretically, but in practice you need to go VERY high (in the hundreds) to see any real benefit past 31. 31 is the minimum floor to turn items that are level 251 or higher (way of the nioh quality) into Ethereals, which is the primary purpose of defiling.

Third, any items (except accessories) that do NOT have a set bonus already will gain a "grace" if they turn into ethereals. WHICH grace depends on which floor you leave on, in multiples of three. The pattern is as follows:

Floor 31 = Magatsuhi / Izanami / Sukunahikona / Kushinada / Futsunushi / Izanagi / Takeminaka / Okuninushi

Floor 32 = Tajikarao / Sakuyahime / Omoikane / Sarutahiko / Ninigi / Izanami / Ame-no Uzume

Floor 33 = Susano / Amaterasu / Shinatsuhiko / Takemikazuchi / Kagutsuchi / oyamatsumi / rest of older sets

Floor 34 = repeat from 31.

This pattern depends on which floor you LEAVE the abyss on, not where you start.

You can savescum for graces, backing up your save before you kill the boss on the floor you intend to leave on and repeating that boss until you get what you want.

>>13902185

WotD goes to 200+20, WotW is 250+30, and WotN is 300+40. Then the Abyss after WotN is 320+150

>>13902216

Alright, that's what I was both afraid of and hoping for. Afraid, because I did a lot of crafting on my gear and it's going to be obsolete as soon as I get to WotD. Hoping, because I love finding better gear to craft.

>>13902163

Ninjutsu + sloth + weakness completely breaks the game until you hit NG++, then sloth becomes worthless and you run out of ways to scale storm kunai and your weapons start scaling better.

By NG++++ you'll only be using quick change / tiger running / cat walk / supa / caltrop ball / paralyze mine because everything else scales too badly.

They really should have tied item damage to average gear level or something similar to stop it from being OP early and worthless in end game.

>>13902308

Levitation is pretty good too. It lets you ignore fires and shit.

>>13902494

I completely forgot about that. Running around with 100% elemental immunity spoiled me.

>>13902516

That's only an option if you have some crazy ass charms. Besides you can ignore things like caltrops too

>>13902308

I like to use the groundfire trap instead of the paralysis version, the regular one will send humans flying and available for a final blow if they step on it while not in a attack animation.

>>13902553

I want to point out that the legit highest damage you can do is to paralyze+iai quickstrike from behind. There's a helmet if I'm not mistaken that adds +40% damage to paralyzed enemies by itself, then you add in damage for iai quickstrike, the sword mystic art for damage from behind, and all your normal damage boosts and any other paralyze damage that might exist.

>>13902567

I used to use the katana before the tonfas came out along with the kursarigama. I might just respec out of the kursarigama and go tonfa and katana because pretty much everyone that uses the quickstrike seems to kill most non-bosses in only a few hits.

>>13902579

It's a gimmick. Good fucking luck using quickstrike against something that isn't already disabled

>>13902588

>>13902579

Besides, with my Odachi in high stance I can do over 10k per hit from the front. I end up killing most non-elite enemies in Way of the Nioh in a single combo, and I'm not even really built for fighting outside of Living Weapon.

>>13902657

Because centipede is honorbu full frontu attack!

>>13902657

It just needs to be much higher. You aren't just sacrificing back attack but also a potential attack bonus from a different spirit AND taking some pretty shitty LW stats too.

>>13902675

>honorable poisoner

lol

What are some good ways to grind for divine weapons? I wanna go past Way of the Strong but I am doing not enough damage on the enemies with my +4 gear.

>>13902790

Play some coop. The missions with the Sanada Ten Braves are also good.

Welp just got to way of the nioh

Ive not upgraded my gear since way of the demon so im getting 1 shot by arrows and throwing weapons

>>13902790

Marobashi or the toad fight or basically any dlc or even quests in the last zone of non dlc in normal mode like killing 2 guys at once

Basically anything that you kill a big guy

But Marobashi is best in general for amrita farming and getting a lot of gear dropping in the mid levels

Why is everyone dissing Tonfas? I went all the way up to Way of the Nioh with them and I'm still kicking ass, humans get stunlocked by my massive combos until their ki's 0 and yokai scum get turned to dust after I get their Ki during my attack chains.

>>13902893

You haven't actually tried anything else. You have the choice between stunlocking a single target or obliterating him in two attacks.

>>13902893

I tried tonfas and found them awful to use over dual swords

>>13902876

How do I unlock Marobashi?

Does anyone know if amrita earned bonuses of any kind have any effect on amrita gauge or living weapon recovery? I don't really care about earning extra amrita at this point, but if those +30% "amrita earned (using living weapon) mean that my living weapon recovers 30% more when I kill something (or from hits via extraction talisman) then it's definitely worth it.

>>13902951

Complete ALL the missions in the Sekigahara region to unlock the dojo weapon master missions

Complete the sword and spear master missions in the dojo to unlock The Two Masters in the Tokai region

Complete The Two masters to unlock Marobashi in the same place.

You might not have to do every step listed on every difficulty, just check the Tokai region periodically as you are working on it in case Marobashi pops up early.

>>13902893

Because bosses are the main concern not random enemies. And there are far and away better options for dps. Duel Swords suffers from the same issue unless you use the one DS that inflicts 2 elements at once for easy chaos.

>>13903116

But I tear bosses up too, Humans get stunlocked while blocking for the most part while Yokai bosses take a ton of damage from consecutive hits and take massive damage from combos, they might be worse than other weapon types but they're still very much usable.

>>13903188

Who says they're not usable? As you say they're just worse, which is why people shit on them.

>>13903188

yeah they're usable there's just better options.

Like ninjutsu is a viable damage source using kunai and shit even in Way of the Nioh, you just don't do a lot compared to other sources.

How does item level work in Way of the Demon? I had a level 150 +10 divine Odachi and the girl with raikiri was outdamaging me every single time on the same enemies. The enemies themselves only dropped 170 level gear which didn't make much of a difference.

So what are you supposed to do when you run out of items critical to beating bosses, like antiparalytic needles? That's it, you're fucked, go home and re-play the level or something?

>>13903595

Don't git hit pleb.

>>13903490

Willliam, you are the gaijin demon.

>>13903621

How about fuck you.

>>13903595

>items critical to beating bosses

no such thing

>>13903653

The second boss hits you with instant paralysis even at full sprint around her.

>>13903680

It doesn't. You are just bad at dodging it.

>>13903595

Git gud aside, it's definitely true you can waste all your stock against hino-enma before getting how to consistently dodge her. It doesn't make her unbeatable, though, you just have to grit your teeth and learn her patterns. Make sure you have the upgrades that let you use ki pulse on dodge, you need the mobility against her.

>>13903692

It fucking does. I'm sitting here literally sprinting full speed with A held down perpendicular to her and I still get hit by the purple wave.

>>13903722

Use the dodge button

It exists for a reason.

>>13903595

If you are up against the vampire lady, bait the 3rd hit of her melee combos (her kicks and her umbrella) and poke her afterwards. Stay in low stance and remember the sound she makes when she's about to throw her paralysis projectile so you can dodge. Also, wear whatever item with paralysis resistance you can find until you can resist her projectile.

You'll eventually get the hang of evading her most telegraphed attacks like her projectiles and her flying attack. Just remember to block her spinning attack and stay under 70% equipment weight.

I managed to kill her without getting paralysed a single time this way.

>>13903725

And why the fuck do all of the videos show people knocking her out of the air in the first second by throwing shit at her? That's total bullshit. I throw shit, she doesn't flinch. They throw shit, she's on the ground.

>oh look how easy this game is I nuked the boss in 3 seconds by stacking 15 buffs and using max level equipment!!!

I'm starting to think this game is more level grind based than you people are letting on.

>>13903748

if you are gonna be this much of a casual bitch just stop playing.

If you can't handle the second boss of the game and have to resort to video guides to beat it then don't even bother continuing further.

>>13903748

>Need anything but whatever random shit you picked up to beat the second boss.

Nigger, you suck at videogames. I've didn't start paying attention to anything but whatever gave the biggest numbers I happened to find until after I beat the main story. I ape this shit like it's Bloodborne, and fucking suck at the game. Hino-enma is piss easy and you need to

GIT GUD

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mooyx7TS2gI

>those fucking comments

>people actually had a hard time with this boss

this is what the downfall of civilization looks like.

>>13903821

William x Hanzo forever.

>>13904250

>every single thing in japan no matter dead or alive is proverbially sucking William's dick

why did they make him such a mary sue?

>>13904250

True bromance.

>>13904254

I didn't mind William, but I kinda wish he cracked a few jokes every now and then or something. He's a bit of a dry character.

>>13904254

William is a man who sailed across the seven seas to wage a one man war for his waifu.

After sailing home to bully the bald old man who was behind his waifu's kidnapping, he once again sailed the seven seas to wage a one man war for his best bro.

You can't portray a man like that to be anything less than perfect.

>>13903823

>>13903855

Oh give me a fucking break, like none of you niggers ever watched a video guide after getting your ass kicked by a boss 20 times because getting paralyzed is a guaranteed OHKO.

>>13904841

I didn't have to because that boss is piss easy.

>>13904855

What weapon and what level did you do it at, if you're so good?

>>13904868

I did it with a sword.

Levels are irrelevent. That boss along with the first one get relegated to mini boss/stage enemy status.

>>13904841

>Oh give me a fucking break, like none of you niggers ever watched a video guide after getting your ass kicked by a boss 20 times because getting paralyzed is a guaranteed OHKO.

Get some fucking antiparalytic needles. Even without them, the paralyzing attacks are the easiest to dodge. I got hit more often by the grapple attack for being too cocky up close than I got paralyzed. Why would I watch a video guide to something without some stupid gimmick that needs to be figured out?

>>13904874

You'll need 20 dex for a ninja mission later that unlocks your ninjutsu mystic art.

The 2nd one gives you instant cast ninjutsu buffs, which is amazing so get it.

>>13904928

Okay I'll do that. Otherwise 20 magic/20 dexterity 30 spirit fine?

was thinking of pumping my strength after that.

>>13905072

stats don't matter as much as weapons themselves but then again you won't be getting any spirits which require more than 26 Spirit in the base game.

>>13905097

Something that level 30 bestows I guess. Second life or some such?

>>13905458

Learning how to beat that bitch with an axe was a pain in the ass.

>practically all of Date Shigezane's attacks one-shot me

Fug.

>>13905813

It makes your regular attacks scale with your ninjutsu power

>>13905939

Damn that's pretty goods, thanks.

>>13905976

Fokken saved

>>13905976

>getting this mad when people try to help you

Saying "this game is piss easy you suck" is not "trying to help you".

>>13906342

>Getting assblasted that insults about how you're a casual are mixed in with advice

Wew fucking lad. Go back to whatever hugbox you crawled out of.

>>13905952

Not really. It adds about 1% damage per 100 ninjutsu power, and diminishing returns kick in hard by the time you hit 500 power. Hitting 1000 power is probably impossible even with gear specifically dedicated to increasing it.

>>13906437

>mixed in with advice

[citation needed]

>>13906568

>[citation needed]

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>>13904888

Confirmed for illiterate nigger.

>>13906633

And exactly none of those were the ones I was responding to >>13904841 or >>13904868

<soul matching discount 80%

<have patronage of 30% discount on soul matching

<80% + 30% = 10% free money

wow ez game

>>13906881

Is this for real?

>>13906894

nah, but i did get a divine odachi with 80% soul matching discount.

>>13903748

>And why the fuck do all of the videos show people knocking her out of the air in the first second by throwing shit at her? That's total bullshit. I throw shit, she doesn't flinch. They throw shit, she's on the ground.

They've spent levels into becoming a ninja. The thrown suriken and kunai are really good at exhausting ki but you do need to build your character around it a bit to maximize effectiveness.

>>13904868

Not that anon but I'll answer. I don't remember exactly what weapon because I'm getting it mixed up in my mind from when I fought her in the beta but I know that my level was right around what your is. I'm sure the weapon was either 1 kat, 2 kat, or kusa because I didn't use spears much at all and I only started using axes much later and tonfa/Odachi didn't exist yet.

Alternatively you can quit being a bitch and just learn to dodge. Low stance makes dodging easy.

>>13906851

Nice goalpost moving. The replies you got there were shit because those two posts you made were just you implying everyone is as casual as you are and simply by being a certain level or using a guide neither of which you need. Well maybe you need those things. You've already been given more than enough advice on how to beat an easy as fuck early game boss and it's your own fault to too incompetent to take it. Are you just waiting for someone to tell you how to cheese it or something?

>>13906986

Fucken typos. I should sleep.

>>13904868

Oh one more thing I do remember facing her in the beta and I failled a bunch of times against her and I was using a spear at the time. Then I switched over to single sword or dual sword, I can't remember, and I beat her within 3 or four tries.

Spears are very technical weapons in Nioh and with how many parries they have they are less focused on youkai combat than some of the other weapons.

Maybe you should try using a sword. Iai strike does pretty nice damage and sword ki can blast away ki from you opponent really well. Great against youkai since they don't have regenerating stamina. You don't have to abandon the spear just keep a different weapon in you second slot to deal with times that you primary weapon just doesn't cut it.

>>13906995

>Spears are very technical weapons

Am I just using a spear wrong? I spend most of the game feeling like a scrub because I rely heavily on the standard mid-stance strong/strong/strong combo. Poke, poke for ki damage, poke. Maybe toss in a Pole Kick if I'm feeling saucy, it fucks youkai something awful.

For human enemies Twirl is the shit, if you can time it right, especially with the second skill that gives you a hefty damage boost after pulling it off. I spent endgame in my first playthrough feeling genuinely sorry for Yasuke and Nobunaga - the Grapple replacement that lets you follow up with a ground finisher is brutal. I've tried diversifying a little in my current playthrough but I still can't get the hang of low stance quick attacks. I think the problem is that you start doing more hits than button presses and it really throws me off, especially against youkai that aren't staggering.

That said, this is a fresh playthrough since I started again with all the DLC. It probably changes on higher difficulties, I dunno.

One think that I love about the spear is that while you are in LW you can do that helicopter levitate attack that Sakon and Sanada do. And it has a trip move too, one that works on skeletons just like how kusa's leg sweep does.

>>13907320

>Am I just using a spear wrong?

From what you described it doesn't sound like it.

>>13906986

Or maybe you're just a cunt?

Haven't been on /v/ in a while now

Good to see that Nioh is far more popular now: I beat the game back in March. How is everybody enjoying the game so far? How are the expansion packs?

>>13903821

Koei these days has a thing for bad, out-of-place credits songs. Maybe it's some futile attempt to normie-fy the games. Nobunaga's ambition, Musou games, all suffer from this fate.