/v/ - Video Games

Honestly I never actually knew what the fuck crates for. I got them by the assloads in Tf2 and all I used them for was selling them for a few cents.

>>13849523

I guess you could say he became cancerous.

.

I spent like 15 cumulative dollars on the TF2 store, maybe a third of that was lootbox.

>>13849460

>What makes these giga cucks so broken?

Only the poor know the true value of money anon.

>>13849560

he remembers him from the time he was still human

>>13849498

They're called whales. They are similar to the people who spend massive amounts on mobile games; they are a small percentage of the total game's players, but they fund the whole thing because of their gambling addiction.

>>13849498

They are plenty of shills defending them in here >>13839922

>>13849603

>They're called whales.

Or gambling addicts.

>>13849460

All mobile game players.

>>13849560

>>13849565

Pretty much this. It's sad seeing how he turned out, and I want to change him back, but it's taxing and leaves me inebriated rather than happy.

>>13849460

>Currently they are both having public meltdowns over their fix being taken away.

From which game are they taking lootboxes away?

>>13849523

Better those devs get the money than the shekels stay in TB's pockets.

>>13849616

Whales are a little bit different than gambling addicts. The main draw for them is buying their way to the top, they get their kick out of curbstomping people with their overpowered gear and masturbating to the sight of their name in the top ten of the ladder. Basically, even gambling addicts are better than whales.

>>13849642

If the laws change and the US and EU ban lockboxes that means say goodbye to TF2 crates, Overwatch lootboxes, Destiny bright engrams, Hearthstone boosters, just about every "micropay funbuy" rng package that costs real money will be banned or require an 18 rating on the game.

I bet valve, ea and activision are all in heavy panic mode right now.

>>13849647

I played it man, the last 3ds purchase i'll ever make.

>>13849658

At least EA did something right for once, by getting so greedy that they led to the end of this shit.

This might be a stupid question but what makes lootboxes lootboxes? Is it just the aspect that you need to spend money to open/buy them? Would a game with the same mechanic that only uses the in-game currency (that you can't buy) or keys that only drop in gameplay not count as lootboxes?

>>13849658

I bet everyone else is planning how to fuck EA over for screwing up so badly they're taking down everyone with them.

>>13849662

Is the game good?

>>13849679

Using real money to get a chance to, maybe, win a shitty jpeg.

>>13849647

It had potential but too many stupid flaws, like how you constantly had to warp back to town to grab another partner since you could never cover every contextual "use character with power here to proceed" situation. And then the endgame showed up and was incredibly stupid with its worse-than-MMO-tier RNG grind, which soured me on the game a lot. I would probably have bought it if it wasn't for the number of terrible design decisions.

>>13849679

>Would a game with the same mechanic that only uses the in-game currency (that you can't buy) or keys that only drop in gameplay not count as lootboxes

Are you really asking if every game with a treasure chest becomes gambling?

only in greece

>>13849683

It is the best new ip on a nintendo console since Gold Sun. Its a fucking travesty so few played it since its made by the actual secret of mana team yet goys are screaming for the collectors edition of the mana remake with textures confirmed ripped from a SE mobage.

EO is a charming rpg meets town builder that has all the joy and exploration of zelda with a dose of animal crossing.

also snake girls if you are into that sort of thing i guess.

>>13849699

Seemed pretty boring from what I played of it.

>>13849727

Still better than TB getting to keep the shekels.

>>13849727

No. He looks like a fat fish.

>>13849733

A faggot having money isn't better than supporting cancerous business practices. Besides, anyone involved in a lootbox shitheap doesn't deserve the money either. If he was throwing his money at good developers it would be one thing, but all he's doing is shifting money from one faggot to another while also helping keep microtransactions alive.

>>13849620

Paypigs.

>>13849460

>Have normalfag friend

>Rarely discuss videogames because he's got awful taste

>Already knew of his spending habits

>Bought Metaknight and Palutena amiibos for over £60 a pop, never played Kirby or Kid Icarus

>Bought multiple shark cards for GTA online

>Bought paid mods for Skyrim because 'sorting loadouts is annoying'

>Buys 'digital deluxe' and 'gold' editions of games only to later buy physical GOTY editions

>Buys 10 year old games on virtual storefronts instead of emulating

>Only barely saved his ass from blowing money on Star Citizen jpegs

>The full gambit, loves Blizzard, Nintendo and Bethesda but hates EA and Ubisoft

>Unsurprised when he jumps on the Overwatch trend

>Plays for hours on end, when he's not playing he watches Twitch streamers play

>Links me youtube meme videos of the characters but I don't understand the jokes

>A few months ago he messages me and tells me he won't be online much anymore because his parents were restricting his internet access

>Bare in mind this is a grown ass man in his early twenties

>Ask what could've possibly happened

>He spent like two thousand on buying overwatch loot crates

>Once expending his own cash he used his nest egg to buy more

>Tell him he's a fucking idiot for gambling his money on fictional pixel items that he might not even get

>He says I don't understand and that he will re-coop his "investment" by doing loot box unboxing videos once he is allowed back on Steam

>Tell him he is being fucked over financially for a game that will be dead within a few years

>Goes full blizzdrone "it's just cosmetics" "nobody made me buy it" "it's really fun to unbox"

>Try and explain that companies rely on 'whales' like him to reel in big bucks

>Says some really insensitive personal things from out of left field because I insulted his newest toy he will drop in a month

>Completely cut him off

>Hear from others that he is in some meme discord groups stuffed with children and trannies and has basically gone off the rails, has moved on to Player Unknown's Battlegrounds

You can't help some people. The people who buy lootboxes are either compulsive gamblers or more likely just reddit consumer cattle who buy whatever is on youtube/twitch.

>>13849460

>Do you know any Lockbox addicts?

>>13828046

>>13837559

>>13849830

I guarantee you that within a year he'll come out as a tranny.

>>13849839

It pains me that all those great waifus are forever shackled to a shitty gatcha. Scathach deserves better.

>>13849853

There are people like that on /v/ anon. No site is pure.

>>13849861

how much did mark spend on rock band again?

I haven't heard anybody defend lootboxes, but I've heard plenty of people saying they shouldn't be banned.

I've had the same argument with my friend about Belgium's statements repeatedly. I have told him over and over that lootboxes violate their already existing laws but he keeps going back to his 'muh government intervention' stance. He doesn't get it.

>>13849859

He was into traps and shit so he was already down the path. I don't doubt that being around a bunch of them will mess with his head. His life though I guess.

>>13849876

I think they were pretty hands off with him until he started spending all his fucking money. A nest egg is savings that are meant to accumulate and eventually go toward something important, usually a house or a wedding or just put aside for emergencies. He basically spent his safety net on loot boxes in Overwatch.

>>13849909

A wise man doubts himself, a fool tells himself it will all work out.

>>13849885

>gambler doesn't want gambling to be banned

What else is new?

>>13849917

You want to see some deeply ironic shit?

>https://twitter.com/AngriestPat/status/933700216271884288

>theme_of_yoshikage_kira.wav

>>13849919

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>13849923

The really sad part is that there really are people like that out there.

>>13849923

No thats how the addicts think. They think a higher rating on lockbox games is 'da gubment gummin 2 take muh arms!'.

Kind of explains what kind of retard falls for the lockbox meme really i suppose.

>>13849912

I don't think it's a 'it'll be fine' type of case, I don't think he even wants a wife or car or house, he just wants to be a permaneet forever and live like he does now forever.

>>13849919

Nobody wants them banned, people want them restricted to 18+ games with clear indications that they have lootboxes in them. A child can't walk into a casino and start playing poker.

>inb4 what about arcades

Definitely scummy on some machines but at least you got what you paid for - a chance to play the game. Plus you're talking pennies a go for arcade machines compared to the lowest tier lootboxes being around $2.00 to $2.50.

>>13849830

>He says I don't understand and that he will re-coop his "investment"

Anyone have that forum post of the scam citizen retard who blew all his families savings on ship jpgs and got a divorce? He said the exact same thing.

>>13849460

I know one. He was an avid Dota2 player who played Dota all the way back to WC3 versions. It was an occasional harmless fun at the beginning. Then the Compendium came, and then he was utterly disgusted by it, and said fuck it and walked away. Sworn to never touch any shovelwares with lootboxes again.

He was in the mirror. Now he is gone.

I spent a thousand dollars on BDO before I quit

>>13850010

Do you feel proud of yourself?

Lootboxes are a new form of gambling and people get adicted to it like they get adicted to poker, sports/race betting, slots, blackjack etc…

You wanna know what makes them adicted? read what makes people adicted to poker, its the same.

Knew a friend that used his dead father's money on overcuck lootboxes on every seasonal update they had. Think about 20 bucks per update or more, I don't remember.

>>13850024

I want to fucking die

Really all they have to do is add "content" to the process of opening the boxes, like a minigame or something, and suddenly it becomes and arcade machine. Add a leaderboard for your high CrateOpener Minigame score!

>>13850104

Thats literally pachislot.

>>13849460

>games need lockboxes to fund full content games

Obviously, single player oriented games or those with fire and forget multiplayer shouldn't need any kind of ongoing profits. They should be able to do everything they need to, including a reasonable number of patches post-release based solely on sales. It's the games that require indefinite support that need some way to fund it because no matter how many copies they sell that money will EVENTUALLY run out. While I could definitely argue that Overwatch isn't doing ENOUGH to support the game, I very much agree that in its ideal state it NEEDS some kind of constant revenue stream.

Overwatch's particular implementation of loot boxes is by far the least evil they could possibly be. Not only do they have no impact on gameplay but all of the items are very easy to obtain without spending anything extra at all. Because they use their "gambling" scheme to target retards they are able to make the most amount of money with the least amount of impact towards anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together. Ultimately this means the best possible game experience for everyone else, so in that vein I fully support their decision to use loot boxes as they have.

Disclaimer: This post not intended as an endorsement of Overwatch's gameplay nor Actibliz's allocations of funds for the game, only on their monetization scheme and its supposed impact.

>>13850106

But pachislot is more based around luck, whereas I think anon was referring to an actual game requiring skill

>>13850110

The legal grey area is that the luck in pachislot IS skill.

>>13850109

To put that in perspective, let's compare it to two greater evils. One is what I assume the new battlefront game to be, where the exact same lootboxes, still obtainable through playing the game, contain very explicit "power items". The second is where those same power items are sold in an exclusive cash shop with no randomness and not available in the game at all.

One can clearly see how "non power" lootboxes are a lesser evil than "power" lootboxes. What might not be as clear is that even "power" lootboxes are a lesser evil than cash shop exclusive power. I would personally never play a game that sold power in ANY form, but for those who do it will always be better to have the opportunity to earn that power than not, no matter how convoluted the "earning" may be.

>>13849658

The EU will never, ever take action over profitable practices. Gotta protect those jobs and job providers. Even when shit is proven to be harmful to public health, they give slaps on wrists or outright dismiss cases because private companies would take jerbs down with them.

Still, the situation will have soured the image of the lootbox quite a bit. Just in time,too, with several companies starting to push "games as a service".

>>13850130

The big lockbox pushers arent EU jerbs. Its america pushing this cancer.

>>13850132

You might be right on this account. They did put some measures against privacy invading shit from america.

>>13850109

I'd like to point out how older online games, prior to the invention of in-app purchases, continued to support their games.

First, we have the yearly release. In other words, they simply didn't. They would release a game, patch it a couple of times if you were lucky, and then just expect everyone to buy the next game. This is horrible for a couple of reasons. Not only did it means that fully sensible players needed to shell out another $50 every time, but it also meant dead games. This is a big part of the reason that many good or even great games are completely dead now. The companies moved on to the next in the series and abandoned the actually good one. Sometimes the next game fails as well, and then you just have a dead series.

Second you have the expansion/map pack release. This is very similar to the yearly, but it keeps players in ostensibly the same game. Unfortunately, it segregates the (likely dwindling) playerbase, until eventually the game is no longer able to get enough players in one place to sustain itself. The new maps are often unplayable (because not enough people have the packs) and the old ones have no support, so the game dies.

Third, you have the subscription plan. For keeping a game going this is by far the best old option. It keeps everything concentrated into one game and ostensibly keeps the playerbase together. It's also the most expensive for the average user, costing a hundred or more dollars per year just to play the game.

If loot boxes selling cosmetic-only items available through normal gameplay are able to fund games in place of these above strategies, than by all means let's have more lootboxes.

>>13850157

Subscription has always been the best way to fund online games.

>>13850163

It's the most expensive.

Would you rather spend $150 a year, or spend nothing but you can buy some extra cosmetic shit you can still get for free anyway?

>>13850184

I'd rather pay one small price to get all the content. It's not like you have to pay for a whole year if you only play for a month or two.

The one question about lootboxes and stuff like this I have is why do people get so butt blasted about hearthstone. Literally every other game I can understand. Card games have existed for ever buying booster packs to get more cards. Is it because those were trading card games and the jews at blizz don't let you trade cards?

>>13850195

That game went to the second worst form of micropay, PROOVING that it wasn't able to sustain itself on initial purchases alone.

>>13850184

>>13850163

Imagine WoW, and for some reason imagine you like playing WoW. Now, imagine that instead of both subscriptions and expansions, everything after the initial purchase is 100% free. Same content, but free. Now, imagine that they sold lootboxes, and in those lootboxes was a selection of random items from a given set of raids or zones, except that all of those items have no stats. The items are being sold for transmog purposes, except they are exact duplicates of items that you can get anyway (which happen to be on random drops to begin with). Oh, and the art team gets like 10x the funding and talent because that's where all the revenue comes from, but nothing else in the game suffers.

I can't imagine how anyone would say that this proposed system is not preferable to the one that already exists.

>>13850251

Most people get pretty butt blasted at real TCGs as well. In either case they are P2W games first.

>>13850254

>but nothing else in the game suffers.

Except that isn't borne out in reality. F2P MMOs are always shit compared to subscription ones.

>>13849778

Buyim

>>13850254

What? TF2 was doing just fine on initial purchase alone. It certainly wasn't on the decline before microtransactions were added.

>>13850251

Heres the difference

>Bought a pack of yugioh cards last weekend for £3

>Rare card inside i sold on ebay for £32

compared to

>Anon buys a booster in hearthstone

>Gets random jpgs

>Can keep them for destroy them

>Thats his options.

>>13850269

It did fine up until that point. You have to realize that sooner or later the money had to run out. Valve realized it, and that's why they invented the whole bullshit.

>>13850272

golden cards are gifs/apng

>>13850272

Literally gambling vs pissing your money away.

>>13850278

I predict TF2 would have kept its very same longevity if it had thrown the microtransactions idea away and kept with the quarterly major update instead.

>>13849482

I just know that's two boys in that image.

>Pedo Pat

>eats his way into serious illness Pat

>throws out all the food in his house because he saw an insect Pat

Ladies and gentlemen, the lootbox consumer.

>>13850263

No MMO yet has used the "cosmetic only lootbox" concept that Overwatch currently uses. They use the traditional "pay to make it more fun" approach, which by definition means the game has to suck to start with.

The only game I can compare cosmetic lootboxes to is overwatch, because to the best of my knowledge nothing else uses them (yet). Whether you like overwatch or not, I would not say that any aspect of the quality suffers because of the lootboxes.

>>13849830

>because his parents were restricting his internet access

you need to be 18 to post here, anon.

>>13849460

These shits are so expensive where I live, not even gambling addicts buy them.

They are actually same price as everywhere else, but people here earns much less money.

>>13849978

>pennies a go

When is the last time you've been in an arcade? In the states at least you're spending 1 dollar minimum for a credit, at least on any game that isn't a complete piece of shit.

>>13849533

There needs to be a webm of that fucking meltdown

>>13850352

>Bare in mind this is a grown ass man in his early twenties

Read the post

>>13850410

That's insane. Last time I played was a couple years ago on some Resident Evil lightgun game but it wasn't all that expensive.

>>13850445

I shit you not there is a arcade in birmingham with a htc vive machine thats TEN FUCKING BREXITBUX A CREDI

Friend of mine, over the course of a few months during winter spent over 2000 fucking euros in a mmo with lockbox-tier bullshits and just shrugging it off with

>"well i got a well paying job :^)"

I almost became one seven years ago or so, but luckily I was able to escape from that shit. I'll always regret giving money to EA and Valve

>>13849746

The only crosdressers who can really pull off the look are nips and hispanics, and even then, they can't open their mouth.

I play blade and soul and it's really bad, like $60 million dollars per quarter bad. Retards on forums encourage the weak willed to buy more and more boxes. One bought $500 worth just to 'show droprates'.

Playing autistically all day for months on end will barely let you get into most content and the children still defend it as not really pay2win.

No and fucking glad I don't. You have to be really braindead or a dopamine addicted cuck to love them.

>>13849978

oh but people do want them banned anon

they make video games worse for everyone because it lowers the industry's standards

>>13849919

hows that below minimum wage working out for you, corporate shill?

Another thing that pisses me off is how stupid the people are, saying RNG is RNG, like games are random and if they just keep putting money in the slots they'll get rich.

>>13850298

>>13849482

Worse.

It's one of the worst protagonists in Japanese fiction, and a Paladin that goes both ways.

I have never heard anyone refer to lootboxes as “lockboxes” until now. Is it just a different name that some games use? Is it a halfchan/reddit term?

>>13849460

>Do you know any Lockbox addicts?

No, but I know several "regular" video game addicts. They're all co-workers recently out of high school or in their early 20's. Sometimes they like to complain about their lack of money, even though they work full time. It's easy to tell it's because they spend most, if not almost all, of their spare income on video games, because of how much they fucking talk about them. It's as if video games are the only things they do outside of work. I overheard one of them recently say he only has $30 in his bank account, and he hasn't had more than $100 in that bank account for several months, because he spends all of his money on video games and MTG.

I just don't know. How hard is it to understand the concept of having no money being an easy and fast ticket to Shit Land? These are grown-ass adults too. They don't come off as the kind of people who are fast learners either. They'll probably have these garbage spending habits for years to come.

>>13850642

How does people even spend so much they only have $30 in their bank account? What do they do if they someday have an extra bill to pay? Do they just take a loan in the bank thinking that debt will just magically disappear?

The thing is, even for lootbox addicts, there are ways to plan it out for free.

The best example out there is the lootbox mobage The Battle Cats. Who had a 3DS release which kept the lootbox aspect while making it free, by handing out what wad the paid secondary resource more or less every 3 battles and by unlocking of the different character banners by advancing through the story chapters, making you play the game as it was while removing the paid aspect of the lootboxes.

It shows that games can have such systems without even needing people to cash money like good goys. And it further shows how cancerous paid lootboxes can be.

>>13850663

>Do they just take a loan in the bank thinking that debt will just magically disappear?

Probably. My parents have bad spending habits for all of their life. Not as bad as "I never have more than three figures in my account" bad, but more like "I will retire with bills to pay and a life insurance claim are my children's only inheritance" bad. Their reasoning is thinking their retirement funds will magically make their money problems go away, so I don't think it's a stretch to think people more incompetent than will think bank loans magically go away.

>>13850196

tell him to spend that money on real packs or just go play YGOPRO.

>>13849460

>public meltdowns

Pat seems to be taking it fine.

>>13850715

he spent a thousand dollars on Overwatch and 600 of his viewers donations in HotS, hes already dead inside.

GAZE ON THE FACE OF THE WHALEKIND

>>13850163

The best option to fund online games is player hosting. If companies hadn't gone full jew on controlling servers, they wouldn't have to pay for them.

>>13850642

It makes me physically ill to spend my own money. That is why I still choose to live with my mother despite being a millionaire.

>>13850254

Blizzard has 2700 employees. They already have about 2600 too many artists fucking up games as it is.

It's funny how this is all EA's fault. They went really overboard with jewery as always instead of taking it smooth like other publishers. Now they probably blew up the whole scheme and the other jews must be mad as fuck. EA is like the retard kid who tell everyone about the surprise party.

>>13850558

I trust you too are merely pretending over on that shitty board anon.

>>13850971

I moved out at 27. Before I had infinite money staying with my parents. Full pay with no rent or cars. All of it in my pockets.

Does anyone have that video of the guy realising he spent 30 grand on a mobile game?

>implying hating on EA isn't the mainstream

>implying this is not just nintendo shill central

Not a single day passes that mods don't nuke a thread that hits too close to Mario's home

>>13851148

EA

>Destroys studios and IP's

>Uses IP's to create completely different games nobody wanted (Dead Space 3, Dungeon Keeper Mobile)

>Reliant on big name franchises with many iterations (Madden, Need for Speed, Star Wars) to survive

>Consumers unfriendly practices (microtransactions, lootboxes, season passes)

Nintendo

>Allows IP's to rot unused

>Uses IP's to create completely different games nobody wanted (Metroid Federation Force, Hey! Pikmin)

>Reliant on big name franchises with many iterations to survive (Mario, Zelda, Kirby)

>Consumer unfriendly practices (Amiibo, multiple versions ala Pokemon and Fire Emblem, huge price tags on games well after launch)

EA is definitely worse but Nintendo is no angel.

>>13849830

>never played Kirby or Kid Icarus

How shit of a person must you be to be a fucking secondary Kirby fan?

>>13849839

>Friends all play the FE gatcha that dropped earlier this year

>Keep insisting that it's different from other mobage its not

>They keep sending shit memes about Reinhardt even though like two of them at max have played FE5 Why is he even there? He wasn't that significant to the story.

Do FE threads still have people shilling heroes? I've stopped keeping tabs.

>>13850110

I am referring to skill. Imagine a pacman minigame that gives you additional currency based on how well you do, but you need to pay 50 cents play.

>>13850109

tbh Overwatch and Dota (and TF2 to a lesser extent since you still unlock weapons in a shitty way) are the least problematic of these systems. Shit like the new Star Wards Battlefront is where it becomes a problem.

>>13850801

BULLSHIT. SHIT.

Can I have some fun bux for vidya?

>>13852121

Anon, I don't know how to break this to you but physical releases are pretty much a thing of the past. Yes, they are idiots for buying games they are never going to play, but they would have been just as big idiots if they had bought physical copies of those games.

>>13852188

>physical releases are pretty much a thing of the past

That can't be right. Except for pc, why would anyone prefer a digital game to a physical copy?

>>13852206

I didn't say I preferred them, I'm just saying that no one makes physical releases anymore, certainly not on the PC. It's cheaper for them while they still get to Jew it as much as before, if not more.

>>13852228

I guess, but as stated my friends buy digital on console.

>>13852479

Happy Juan

>>13849498

I actually know one. He never admits to being trapped in the psychological feedback loop these lootbox games create and always says shit like he's "only playing the game for the gameplay" or that he "doesn't care about the lootboxes" as though you can separate the game from them when they're designed from the ground up around the lootbox business model. Yet he doesn't play a single game that doesn't include them and would claim to not miss them if they were gone (which is a lie).

>>13850457

>>13852673

addendum:

I really look down on these fucking childish fools who impulsively spend money like this. it just shows how fucking bad the infantilization of this new generation is - i.e. adults having little to no self control. THE MAIN POINT OF FUCKING GROWING IS BEING ABLE TO OVERCOME YOUR PRIMAL URGES. NEEDS - NOT WANTS

protip: a good method of banishing desire from your life is to have depression-induced anhedonia

>>13849548

>every skin

It's more common than you'd think for League of ASSFAGGOTS players to own every skin for their waifu, but owning EVERY SKIN? What the fuck? That's thousands of bucks down the drain. Most players might spend a few bucks getting their one skin, and many players get the free skins from events and chests earned from being good at the game, but owning that many skins is fucking insane.

>>13852673

So, is buying games bad or only paying for cosmetics?

Should I pirate whenever possible?

>>13852842

That spacing fucked up

What about unboxing YT videos?

Video probably related. I just searched for "CS GO unboxing video" and saw this faggot had a checkmark and 253k subs

>>13852888

>>13849527

nowadays they are on those skins sites. rarely see yt/twitchers opening classic boxes.

but seriously those money in it mus be insane if they pay someone who has 3k concurrent viewers on twitch, 20 000 Euro credit to gamble everyday.

>tfw had a lootbox addiction back in dota 2 beta

>made a decent amount of steambux gambling the hats, cashed out when I saw the market crash coming, never looked back

feels good

>>13852612

>>13852572

Scumbag Pat best Pat.

>>13849699

That's one of the few 3DS games that I've really been wanting to play, but I just haven't been motivated to install CFW on my system - so it's stuck at some ancient firmware that won't let me play any newer games.

I've got everything I need to do it, I just can't seem to be bothered to fucking go through with it for some reason. Last newer game I bought for the system was some Mikushit Project Mirai game that's cute.

>>13852787

>They only won't be a problem once the consumer pool at large recognizes the problem they pose and actively avoids buying loot boxes.

That's already the case, idiot. It's the very tiny minority that gets suckered into this shit and throws down thousands of dollars.

It was the same thing with gambling before it got legislated; only a small fraction did that shit, but because it was so damaging it got restricted. Lootboxes will need the same thing happen.

Also

>Jonathon Blow

Is this tool really a good source of information?

>Acts as if increasing prices and budgets are a good thing

Because he really looks like just another fucking retard to me.

>>13849830

I don't think anything is necessarily wrong with Nintendo, they made some great games back in the 90s and early 2000s. I am also not entirely against digital distribution of older titles. I bought Black, the Criterion game digitally when Xbox One started supporting original games and I'd rebuy Silent Hill 2 if they could be fucked to re-release it in a playable state.

>>13850789

This. Fucking this. Except for MMOs, this was the way things used to run for many online games. Newfags and 12 years old do not even know how it is like to have those around.

>We need loot boxes to keep games online!

>Diablo 1 about to celebrate it's 20th anniversary, still online, and has never sold me a lootbox.

Woah… I feel it… my thinkywinky

>>13852206

No need to change discs all the time.

>>13849628

We all know you want that boipocci for yourself but don't have the courage to ask that tightness out.

My cousin spends his time getting cs:go skins and betting them in gambling sites where you bet your steam inventory.

In my country gambling is illegal but internationally gambling through steam and webpages is something the police is too tech illiterate to be aware of or even be capable to block in the country.

I don't know exactly how much but I know he somehow gets my grandmother to give him thousands of dollars at a time which he burns through, and my grandmother likes money more than things it buys.

>>13850113

>>13851386

some us states do this with actual gambling, or used to.

I once went to a casino that had no slot machines, only video poker. the laws at the time specified

>no pure luck… only games of skill

so the game required you to mark certain cards to keep and others to redraw. wow suddenly it's a game of skill.

so this means they will at best add a fig leaf minigame on the lootboxes.

as said earlier, pachinko is a game of "skill" because how you turn the knob determines how fast the ball starts out. never mind that it's all random once it starts hitting pegs.

>>13855365

You're correct about the "games of skill" laws, but I think gaming companies would wise up to avoid the gray area of casino games and make it something more like a traditional arcade game.

>>13850866

>hd version

disgusting

When I played Black Desert Online after the western servers released, they of course held back on all their promises to lessen the cash shop impact and made sure it was scummy as possible. One of the common complaints was the rng-based dye system which of course gave you incentive to keep buying dye until you got the colors and amounts you wanted. Some faggot whale later gloated on the forums stating he "beat the dye system rng", how did he do it, you ask? He spent over $1000 on dye.

I'm 90% sure gamblers and whales have a gene that forces them to be subservient goy no matter the circumstance and that they should be compelled not to breed and pass them on.

Id say in general we are living in a time where you can get hundreds of hours of solid entertainment from a game studio not made of cancer for under 20 bucks.

Why do people even play big name games? I find myself having trouble justifying 90% of those purchases when I can get the same experience with maybe slightly worse graphics and a satisfying harder, or engaging experience.

It feels like its the best of times and the worst of times.

>>13855980

Hell, ive only spent like maybe 150 dollars total on actual games this year (not dlc or microtransactions) and ive gotten about 600-700 hours on entertainment. Maybe more.

>>13852769

In general you should pirate, otherwise you'll end up with a shitload of "I wish I hadn't wasted money on this" moments.

If you really like the game, and the developers are decent people, then nothing prevents you from supporting them by buying later.

>>13849548

>Every skin

Good lord, there like 140 champions and total ass pull the median skin count available per champion is probably 5-6

Only recently have they been available in any form outside of real money purchase. That’s a lot of dough.

>>13849496

>he rarely even played the games he just gambled on virtual shit.

What they hell? What else is he doing with his life? If he gambled at a actual casino he could at least possibly make a profit instead of just wasting it on unused cosmetics.

>>13850642

Do these guys live with their parents? It just doesn't seem like they could survive with that little money if something unexpected was to hit them financially.

I don't why but you know how their is that cliche cartoon plot of a character becomes super rich and then blows it all through carelessness by the end of the episode? That somehow had an effect on me as a kid and I got scared of spending my money so I just hoard my money in my bank account, I could easily buy lots of things at full price, but always wait for sales and never get into trends, even rarely buying games at launch (also helped by the fact that Nintendo games rarely had any special pre-order bonus incentives up until the late Wii era).

>>13851196

>Allows IP's to rot unused

Admittedly any company with a massive collection of unused IP's will have the same problem. What Nintendo's major issue is, Why there IP's don't get sequels because they NEED to do something different from the previous game hypocritical design stance" leading to series rotting because they can't think of ideas while also being hypocrites about other (better selling) IP's.

Eg:

>NSMB get's samey looking sequels with very little innovation between them (Basically comes down to: Wii = 4P, NSMB2 = coin rush, NSMBU = Off TV play/boost mode)

>Punch Out got brought back on the Wii because of motion controls and even Balance Board, which ended up being optional to a standard button using sideways Wiimote control scheme.

>F-Zero rots because lack of sales and that no one at Nintendo can think up something new for the series like . . . I don't know, ONLINE MULTIPLAYER AND TRACK CREATION SHARING! Look, that something series hasn't done before! Why isn't that enough to justify a new game?

>>13858079

Actually that's not true, because if a company doesn't use their IP after so long, it will lapse into public domain

>>13858129

>Didn't sage

>>13858192

>>13858441

>Paid $80 into RS2's Squeal of Fortune for roulette spins so I could get a summer armor set

>Missing two pieces, it's untradeable

>Paid $400 into LoL skins

>Perma'd for botting during a period I couldn't even fucking play because of hardware issues

>>13858441

>he fell for the freemium meme

That pain you feel is the rewards of the good goy. Learn from your mistakes and teach others not to make them.

>>13858458

Thankfully I didn't put much money into them, still…

>>13858451

>banned for botting when I couldn't even play

How did that happen?

>>13858458

Forgot to mention, have a family friend who literally puts thousands of dollars into mobile games. Poured over 4000$ for a mobile game that shut down a few years ago and continues to spend on multiple games

>>13858498

I'm not sure if I can feel sad and disgusted anymore, some people are just so mind bogglingly bad I can only shrug and be disappointed in humanity.

>>13858441

Explain your mentality. I don't understand how you could spend 10 dollars on pointless skins, let alone thousands.

>>13859790

Thought they looked cool and wanted them, made my main champions a bit more unique, if the champ had multiple skins I liked I just bought them and switched them around

>>13849582

Japanese games decided not to be dead this year what are you on about.

Mario, Zelda, Nioh, Persona, Nier, and western small studio stuff like Hollow Knight, Sonic Mania, and cuphead.

Western AAA games were awful though. Even they actually bombed to reflect that so that’s nice. COD maybe not but hey it’s COD

>>13850109

I would be less disappointed if overwatches continued support approached anything close to acceptable. I thought the roster would be atleast 30 heroes by now.

>>13860523

You're posting on /v/. Good ass games with minor problems are irredeemable trash, remember.

>>13860505

You need to stop buying all this shit for games before it kills you. What books did you get?

>>13860830

/pol/core and /christian/core.

>>13860859

Or we could just do what we did in the past and get them for free. We had a modding and mapmaking community in the early days of gaming infrastructure, it would be a Renaissance if it started up in today's world.

>>13860996

People don't buy cosmetics so they can see them, they buy them to show off to others, modding can't help with that.

>>13861023

>what are serverwide mods

I get what you mean though. Personally I blame the desperately attention-starved, the casual market, and the cult of individuality that ties the two together.

im a faggot who buys cosmetics if they arent obtainable with in game dosh but i wont go near any of the ones in lootboxes

so all in all i spend like $20/yr during the black friday sale more or less. sometimes it lasts up to two years or the entire time i play the game because they dont release anything i like

i used to have a really bad crate problem as a kid in tf2 (but i used to make like $800/week from trading shit / sharking) so i dont touch anything in a box anymore

basically yes im a faggot but im not a whale faggot, those people are fucking stupid

>>13860996

>>13860987

well at least in the case of Overwatch they are free and unlocked with play.

They're all just cosmetic shit.

Sure you can BUY them if you want. And I'm sure plenty of people do, especially during events where certain cosmetics are only available, but they're not game changing things.

Is it that they exist at all that's the problem? Because honestly I see them like a "vice tax".

You really have to be more into the costumes of the characters (in this case) more than the game itself and if that's the case then go ahead and blow your money.

>>13861084

Well if they're done right (just cosmetics, unlockable in game anyway) then people can take them or leave them and the psychology of why they would buy them is simply because they want their shiny new costume IMMEDIATELY and don't want to really earn it through play.

I know people like this and I asked them about it and they said "Well I have a job and have money so I don't have to spend all that time." which I really can't argue against and especially since it's their money, they do what they want with it.

But if the concept all together vanished these same people wouldn't mind and I'll let you in on a little secret why.

It's a convenience that they indulge in because it is there.

Imagine if you had a fast food restaurant that was on your way home from work and so every couple of nights on your drive home you might go there to get your dinner. It's food you really wouldn't ever go out of your way from but since it is right there on your way home you go for it.

Now imagine if the fast food location moves just across the street making you have to do an extra turn or two to, maybe wait at an extra light to get to on your way home from work. Well..unless you're really craving it you're not going to even bother.

That's how lootboxes work as a service. it's fast food.

>>13861554

Yeah but it's illegal to give these things to children. All these shitty gambling games are marketing to children and played mostly by children.

>>13861613

Fair point. And in the case of something like Battlefront 2 I can see just how fucked up that is.

>>13861666

How so? and also…what's the risk? The child pays for some useless good that will be forgotten in a few weeks? Like all children's toys and desires?

Or is it that they get a hold of their parent's credit cards and start acting like crack addicts?

>>13861775

>What's the problem with conditioning kids to get hooked on gambling

You for real nigga?

>>13861804

>videogames teach our children to kill

>vidya makes our children perverts

This is you.

>>13861613

>But when their addiction starts fucking up my games, then yeah I have a problem.

Yes. This is the exact problem.

>>13861820

>implying that 'killing' in a video game is real

>implying that 'sex' in a video game is real

because video game 'killing' and 'sex' is fake, that is why spending REAL-LIFE money on gambleboxes is also fake, right? :^)

>>13861554

Online gambling is already banned in most places. Lootboxes are just a loophole that has been ignored until now.

>>13852787

The issue is that it's disgustingly addictive. This is one of the few cases where legislation needs to fix the problem, because the consumers will gamble their fucking lives away.

>>13862049

>The issue is that it's disgustingly addictive

nope. If that was it why isn't beer, cigarettes, sugar, and all forms of advertising banned?

>>13861896

Yes, video poker is equivalent, and is also literal gambling. The fallacy you are falling into is that this is literal gambling in every way. This isn't "virtual gambling" (that would be like the casinos in the Pokemon games). It's real gambling with real money. It's incredibly addictive which is why it's supposed to be illegal for children to partake, because kids are really fucking prone to addiction.

>>13862056

Who's arguing that they should be banned? I'm arguing that it is gambling and should be regarded as such, with the games receiving an appropriate AO rating as well. Parents don't sign their kids up for online casinos either.

>>13862071

>The fallacy you are falling into is that this is literal gambling in every way

it's either gambling or it's not.

>>13862084

so you need to be 18 to use a gumball machine?

I don't get how some one becomes a lootbox addict. any game i played with lootboxes only supplied cosmetic stuff, don't get what you want? oh well it won't actually help you play better, carry on.

>>13862110

>it's either gambling or it's not.

This is gambling. I didn't say otherwise. You are exchanging real world money for a rare potential to hit a "jackpot" for a big financial/status gain. It's engineered to facilitate addiction and have people continually dump more and more money into it.

There are other things that are also gambling that get by because it's much harder to dump all your money into them. Pokemon card booster packs are gambling, but without the promised potential of massive gain (I think the most valuable card you can get from a booster card these days is like $10); most people get those just to try to complete their collection. Crane machines (and those other arcade gambling machines) are also gambling, but they only really enable you to dump a couple bucks into them a minute, so at worst you can drop about $100 in an hour.

You are a retard if you are comparing gumball machines to gambling. That doesn't even make sense as an analogy; it's a straight-up purchase. Put money in, get purchased item. This is gambling in every way that online poker with real money is gambling.

>>13862115

I think it's mostly kids and naive people who haven't been hit by this stuff before. Most kids get a taste of gambling from a crane machine, trading card game booster packs, or some video game gambling (like the aformentioned casino in the old Pokemon games) and get a taste for the disappointment and the reality that gambling is always a loser's game before they can get addicted. If you don't get that early taste of disappointment before you hit something resembling real gambling, you get addicted before you had the reality of it knocked into you. You see the same rationalizations with these people as you do with gambling addicts "It's my money, who cares how I spend it", "It's more for the fun than the chance of a win", and "I'm not like those other losers, I know how to really actually game the system!" After they go into massive amounts of debt, it's "I fucked it up that once, but this time I'll get it".

>>13862149

>Pokemon card booster packs are gambling, but without the promised potential of massive gain (I think the most valuable card you can get from a booster card these days is like $10); most people get those just to try to complete their collection. Crane machines (and those other arcade gambling machines) are also gambling, but they only really enable you to dump a couple bucks into them a minute, so at worst you can drop about $100 in an hour.

If they are, why are they not regulated as such? And gumball machines are quite applicable to most of these lootboxes, excluding being able to sell skins on steam. You put money in, you are guaranteed a skin/gumball, but the flavor is entirely random.

>>13849460

My friends from high school when TF2 was extremely popular. They've stopped by now, but they were crazy about the hats. The hat thing was some times a laugh like the story of the guy who made 15k from TF2 hats, but later I found they legitimately cared about trading and the drops.

>>13862156

>If they are, why are they not regulated as such

I just said why. They don't facilitate addiction or massive losses in the same way. Did you even read the post you're responding to?

> And gumball machines are quite applicable to most of these lootboxes, excluding being able to sell skins on steam.

Not even close. I also explained this. There isn't the possibility of a massive windfall of value and you also can't easily dump huge amounts of money into it at once. Gumball machines would be applicable if they cost $1 a piece, you could buy them 1, 10, or 100 at a time, and you had a 1/10000 chance of getting an ultra-rare gumball worth $5000 among other rare valuable things.

Are you really arguing that companies should have carte blanche to market electronic scratch tickets to kids? There is literally no reason that this shouldn't be regulated the same way online casinos and scratch tickets are. You have yet to provide an argument that makes any sense. Your "gumball" analogy would only be apt if the lootboxes only gave out virtual goods that all had the exact same value, in which case I'd agree that it isn't gambling. That piece, unfortunately for your line of logic, is the central aspect that makes it gambling in the first place.

Wow it's like I'm really on 4chan!

>>13862213

It's still real money for a random chance at real value, and it's still a system that intentionally fosters building an addiction to dumping more and more cash into it for chance at massive gain. If it was virtual money or something, sure, tons of games have done it. It's a system where you put in real money to have a slim chance at getting something incredibly rare. How is that anything but gambling? You don't have to be shooting for financial profit to make it gambling.

The intention is to trick children who don't know better into getting addicted to dumping money into it. I'm baffled that anybody is defending this, or that anybody thinks it's anything but gambling.

>>13862267

>at real value

I already just said there is no value to be won.

>>13862276

"value" doesn't just mean "monetary worth". If there was "no value", nobody would put any money into it at all. Nobody spends money on something that is valueless.

>>13862290

Don't tell that to universities.

>>13862290

>Nobody spends money on something that is valueless.

Someone should tell that to all the people that bought ship jpegs for SC.

>>13862290

Using your retarded definition of value now expands gambling to everything with random chance and a prize.

>>13862290

>"value" doesn't just mean "monetary worth". If there was "no value", nobody would put any money into it at all. Nobody spends money on something that is valueless.

If you ask me, every cosmetic DLC or microtransaction is worthless because that content is already on someone's computer, its just that the game in question doesn't let them equip it or whatever on official servers.

Ultimately everyone assigns value to an object differently.

>>13862315

No, it expands gambling to everything where you put in real money to get a random chance at a high-valued prize in a way that doesn't self-limit the speed at which you can put money into it. If I pull in a literal definition:

> Gambling is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning money or material goods. Gambling thus requires three elements be present: consideration, chance and prize.

Again, how is this not gambling?

>>13862321

All "value" really means from an economics perspective is just comparative importance or worth of something. It's usually expressed in units of money, but it doesn't necessarily imply fluidity (the ability to quickly exchange a good for money). It is certainly subjective.

My girlfriend plays Overwatch and buys about $50 of boxes every event. I think she hit $100 with the last Halloween event because she really wanted the cowboy's new skin. I find the whole practice so disgusting (especially the ones you have to pay to open, or the ones that can have multiple "qualities" of an item so even if you get the one you want, you can still be fucked over) that I refuse to touch them.

>>13862472

overwatch is annoyingly vile in that you can't just buy the skin you like. Sure DLC skins are pretty kikey but at least you just get the fucking skin you want and don't have to keep buying boxes

>>13862481

You get coins from duplicates, and you can buy the ones you want with those coins.

>>13862481

You can buy with ingame credits but I guess they're a real pain in the ass to get because of how the loot system works. She badgered me into getting it too but I barely play. The skill ceiling is just way too low for me to really enjoy it when I grew up skipping school to play Quake and Unreal Tournament online all day. From what I understand of the loot system, it's "technically" free but it's rigged so that you'll probaby never get what you want without buying boxes, and they put in new time-limited items, on average, every other month. And you'll definitely never get what you want out of those items without buying boxes.

>>13856558

Just… consoleserfs

don't try to reason them

>>13862395

>according to you all prizes are high valued

I never said that, you dunce. Are you really completely unaware of what "subjective" or "importance" means? Value of something can be subjective and comparatively important without being able to sell it; in fact, it has to be in order for anybody to want it in the first place. It seems like your entire game here is taking the things I'm saying, stretching them beyond their reasonable premise into the point where it makes no sense, and then claiming that I'm the one your own retarded extrapolations are coming from.

> Something I value greatly you may not value at all. See what happens when you expand it too much?

Yes, welcome to Economics 101. Comparative value, subjective value, and opportunity cost are real considerations, but none of those are actually important here. I only brought them up because you seem to think that nothing has value unless it can be directly exchanged for literal cash.

Even so, you seem more obsessed with the base definition of the word (that you still somehow can't seem to understand despite a dictionary definition in front of you) and less interested with the point at hand:

It's a system that is built to attract children and build addiction to dumping real money for a minuscule chance at some valuable prize. Whether you want to consider it congruent to the definition of "gambling" or not is inconsequential, honestly, because it's a system that is engineered to cultivate a gambling addiction in kids either way, and does so with real money. Kids shouldn't be exposed to a system built to build gambling addictions for very fucking obvious reasons. If you can't see this, you're really beyond my ability to dumb this down to you.

>>13862511

paltry amounts of coin, and what i noticed from when i played it a bit is that the limited time skins are way expensive so you aren't likely to have that amount of coins from casually playing the game

>>13862554

You are stressing how value is subjective, while still maintaining it needs to be regulated. You cannot regulate something that is subjective you nonce.

And furthermore, you argument of "think of the children" is fucking dumb. These games are all T and above, they aren't for children, and in the end it's up to the parents to tell their kids to not be fucking retards.

>>13850230

My nephew(6) got addicted to gambling on these for like a year.

There is never even some satisfactory result possible. It's either something kid's okay with then it ends up collecting dust on the shelves, or it's some crap and we're got a tantrum.

Good thing it's over now since school is started. And I was talking to her mother few times not to buy it.

>>13862582

> You cannot regulate something that is subjective you nonce

Yes you can. The value of literally everything relative to everything else is subjective. We use money is an intermediary because it's convenient and because bartering doesn't work in the real world, but it isn't necessary to the concept of value. "money" isn't some basic force of the universe, and surprisingly, you can apply laws to things that aren't sold for money.

> And furthermore, you argument of "think of the children" is fucking dumb

This isn't some generic "think of the children" shit, you dumbass. You could apply that to cigarettes being illegal to sell to minors. There is a reason it is illegal to foster dangerous addictions in kids. The entire argument here is that children should not be gambling. You'll have to try harder than simply comparing me to some soccer mom when your own logic falls apart.

> These games are all T and above, they aren't for children

T rating is 13 and up. That is children.

> in the end it's up to the parents to tell their kids to not be fucking retards.

It's also up to the parents to tell kids not to smoke cigarettes, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be illegal. My entire argument is that the rating should be AO for games that encompass real gambling. Gambling is supposed to be restricted to 18+, and lootboxes have been circumventing that despite being gambling in every sense of the word. My entire argument is that the ratings don't align.

If you look at the ESRB site: https://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.aspx

> TEEN

> Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

> ADULTS ONLY

> Content suitable only for adults ages 18 and up. May include prolonged scenes of intense violence, graphic sexual content and/or gambling with real currency.

Is this "simulated gambling" or is this "gambling with real currency"?

>>13862603

>gambling

>kinder eggs

Can't agree with that. Part of the sinister quality of lootboxes is they're tricking you into rolling the dice for a high value item which comes from the lootbox's wide variance in item worth. Most adults don't have the self control to stop themselves, which is why conditioning kids into it is even more underhanded.

Unless I'm old and now kinder eggs can have a 1% chance of having a $25 toy in them or something. I sure hope not.

>>13862662

>Yes you can.

No, not in this case. We all know money has no real worth, but use it for the reasons you mention. But what you get from lootboxes have no real value by any standard, they are infinite and digital. The only value any court could assign them is as intellectual property.

> You could apply that to cigarettes being illegal to sell to minors.

No, you fucking couldn't. We regulate drugs and alcohol not because it's addictive, but because it is harmful to your health. It's the same shit as a child proof cap on pharmaceuticals.

>13 is children

At 13 you have enough awareness and control of yourself to not be a child. You're a minor, you can make decisions, you can buy things for yourself.

>It's also up to the parents to tell kids not to smoke cigarettes, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be illegal.

Again, it's only illegal because it's bad for your health. No one cares about it being addictive. You can vape as a minor, and it's the same addictive shit, but because it doesn't destroy your body at the same rate tobacco and alcohol does minors are free to do so.

>Is this "simulated gambling" or is this "gambling with real currency"?

I maintain it's simulated. CS:GO, TF2, everything on the steam marketplace, that shit has monetary value assigned to it, it would be easy to get that in court and label it as gambling, but the others are not, what you win is entirely worthless no matter how much you, or I, or anyone else values.

>>13862762

Vaping fluid with nicotine is illegal for minors you fucking retard.

>>13862892

Caffeine isn't anywhere near as addictive, and no, the health effects of nicotine are well-understood. Stop talking out of your ass and actually do the minimal research for the points you're making. It's more like the legality of something like gambling, because it is gambling.

>>13862692

This reminds me

>at a fishing shop that had a gumball machine

>with my 3 year old brother, dad, and 17 year old brother (I was 18)

>3yo bro wants a gumball

>dad puts a quarter in the machine, no big deal

>gets a red one, says he wanted a blue one

>dad: it's the same thing, quit yer cryin

>3yo brother loses it, cries the entire way home as all three of us try to explain the concept of random chance to him.

Something tells me that people who spend money on lockboxes and gambling addicts did not have something like this happen to them when they were young.

Man, it took me a while to understand the insanity behind the CS:GO lootboxes.

>quit Steam for good at some point many years ago

>ffwd some years, I decide to play CS:GO with a buddy

>see that some guys have really cool, customized guns and knives and shit

>"gee I wonder how they got them?"

>see some shit about players getting lootboxes

>"Oh, so if you play lots and do really good, you have a chance of getting one of these boxes that have cool guns for you to use!"

>"Makes sense, that'll encourage players to keep playing far into the future and give them these bonus rewards for their invested time!"

>"How nice of them to include this bonus content!"

>keep playing, get a whole bunch of boxes myself

>time to open them

>read the list of possible items inside

>"fucking awesome, let's do this!"

>requires some shit fucking key THAT FUCKING COSTS FUCKING MONEY ARE YOU KIDDING ME

>"LOLWUT?"

Then I went back to not using Steam. But speaking of this kind of shit, here's something that I am still ashamed of more than a decade later: I once spent my M$ points on the horse armor.

To the person/people in this thread saying, "X, Y, and Z aren't regulated, so why should lootboxes be regulated?"

Why, exactly, do I need to campaign for everything else to be regulated to have one thing regulated? In what fucking universe do I need to group every possible alike past and future object to get one thing regulated? That's idiotic fucking reasoning.

I know lootboxes, and I want them regulated. If people who know TCGs want them regulated, they can argue for that. And if this dumbass wants gumball machines regulated, he can damn well argue for that.

>>13862692

You spend some coins, you get chance of getting $RNG worth of coins back… yeah gambling.

And I'm not sure but those season figurines of hard plastic probably worth more than the kinder egg, or at least similar toys do.

Even if they DID cost the same, it's not the case for kids. So they end up developing same addiction.

>high value item which comes from the lootbox

Every jpeg with some numbers is the same. Your own logic doesn't apply here.

>>13862978

>Something tells me that people who spend money on lockboxes and gambling addicts did not have something like this happen to them when they were young.

You could be on to something Anon, on a similar note I remember hearing about schools removing playground equipment or even stopping outside recess over the past few years (to prevent lawsuits from child injuries). Now supposedly this may actually harm a child mental and physical health as they won't develop proper risk assessment skills from playing on the equipment. Having no exposure to other random elements like gumball machine and Kinder's (banned in the US still?) as mentioned by other Anon's would also lower exposure to random elements for a child. Maybe America has unintentionally raised the current generation to lack of risk assessment in their youth when it comes to spending money?

As a kid, every time I got a Kinder it was a gift, so i was always grateful and the toys seemed pretty decent (especially the ones you assembled) but it helped when you weren't "aiming" to get something, when now it seems like they licensed the toys and the kids what a particular toy.

>>13861554

>if people want to indulge in addiction, it's their choice

>choosing to be addiction

I don't think you know what an addiction is, anon…

>>13861554

>>13868320

addiction starts as a choice, but very quickly becomes a mental disease that the person cannot control.

I knew one or two people who got lost in the early days of TF2 crates, but I haven't spoken to them in years since meeting them by happenstance in a MARIO KART 24/7 all crits low grav server. Also,

>Hawaii is getting in on the EA fucktrain

>This might push other US states to get in

>Directly linking Star Wars to gambling

>>13849830

>Bought paid mods for Skyrim because 'sorting loadouts is annoying

Jesus he can't even spend 5 minuted to sort them. You know how many sources there are for load order examples for nearly every mod out there? And that's only 1 greentext out of all that shit. Fuck man I could get angry at this guy for hours.

>>13853718

>that spoiler

I was in nearly the same situation as you buddy

>Met qt autist girl in who was pretty liberal

>browsed tumblr and made fan art of homestuck

>talked about vidya and politics from time to time

>helped blue pill her even more

>convinced that she was a boy at one point, but then realized that it was fucking retarded and stopped

>friends advise me to not go for her, but then betray me

>We change schools

>lose contact for awhile

>talk to her a few months later

>she seems relatively the same

I really hope she doesn't try to become a boy again and fuck something up

>>13873696

God fucking bless Hawaii

God bless this man

Chris lee 2020

>>13875962

flip the fucking table and tell him to cut that shit out. its that simple.