/v/ - Video Games

Gothic 1-3 or Xenoblade. In case of Gothic grab the community patches or whatever they're called or it won't run on newer systems.

>>13833613

>no Vicky 2

>Rome under grand strategy

>that abysmal sports section

What the fuck who made that list

Play Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg if you're into 3d platformers that much.

>>13833613

M&B warband

STALKER

Shut up and Jam Gaiden

Fallout 1

also does anybody have a clean version of OP's pic?

>>13833613

the Ace Combat trilogy and Silent Hill 2 and 3, also this needs to be updated with Mario Odyssey

>>13833613

Anyone have the latest list without the checkmarks?

>>13833613

i don't see katamari damacy on there anywhere

go play that then the first sequel next

>>13833767

Play Xenogears; I'd say avoid Xenosaga if you hate long cutscenes and the fact the Xenosaga trilogy got truncated to 3 games from its originally planned six.

>>13833778

It's under Sandbox, and I have. Haven't played We <3 Katamari yet though.

>>13833767

Yeah, it's the most recent. Galaxy should be replaced with Odyssey though

>>13833875

>>13833720

>Odyssey

As a rule of thumb nothing should be added to a chart or long-term list until at least a year has passed from its release. That way you avoid potential FotM sneaking in and give time for anons to actually think objectively about a game.

>>13833613

You're missing pretty much every major FPS.

>I'm thinking Deus Ex and Thief are up there.

For both ensure you read the pcgamingwiki page first. Deus Ex needs Deus Exe and the renderer it links only these two, not any of the other mods and Thief needs the fanpatch. Ensure you play Thief on the highest difficulty or failing that the second highest, it makes a pretty major difference.

>>13834310

This

>>13833767

Oh and this is actually 1 day out of date but there's a new version in the works as I speak, once it's up in 10 minutes or so anons can feel free to begin the standard complaining.

>>13833677

Vicky 2 is fun but honestly I wouldn't call it a must play of the GSG genre. Total War doesn't sit neatly anywhere else.

>Sports section

I'm just working with what I inherited from the original chart way back, feel free to make suggestions for it. Probably a Tony Hawk's game needs to go and a Football Manger game needs in.

>>13834819

Which ones do you refuse to play?

>>13833613

Perfect Dark

Shinobi

Prince of Persia

Luigi's Mansion

Deus Ex

San Andreas

DOOM YOU NIGGER HOLY SHIT

Quake

Hitman Blood Money

Thief II

Ninja Gaiden Black

Silent Hill 2

Ace Combat Trilogy

F-Zero GX

Metal Slug 3

The whole list is more or less pretty good so whatever you want honestly. Why the fuck do you need someone's input on this simple question? Play what speaks to you, god damn. Take some initiative.

>>13834819

You should try Project Eden anon, it's a quite seriously underrated game.

>>13834837

I'd also be interested in this.

>>13834865

>Why the fuck do you need someone's input on this simple question? Play what speaks to you, god damn. Take some initiative.

It can be difficult to know what to play. That said OP should really have given a bit of guidance as to what genres he was feeling like playing.

Wonderful 101

Xenoblade Chronicles

Viewtiful Joe

Ninja Gaiden Black

both No More Heroes'

Bayonetta 2

Vanquish

DMC 3 & 4 SE

God Hand

>>13834837

Stuff that I've played the original of or a sequel that I found horribly dull (I know that's not a great metric but I've been burned many times), weebshit and titles that held no interest upon looking them up. All the console stuff is gone because I've either already played them or never owned/will never own the box in question and can't be fucked emulating.

If you want a title by title answer I am far too lazy to provide such right now.

>>13834877

Cheers

>>13834898

>Stuff that I've played the original of or a sequel that I found horribly dull (I know that's not a great metric but I've been burned many times)

You should indeed be careful, for example anyone playing a later Thief or Splinter Cell game could be turned off the great early ones. Similarly if you played the somewhat clunky and dated early Hitman games (really, I like them but they have some fairly major issues) you'd miss out on Contracts and Blood Money.

>>13834924

Never really liked Splinter Cell and I've played everything Hitman up to Absolution which I found far too easy and handholdy, so no worries there.

>>13835025

>Never really liked Splinter Cell and I've played everything Hitman up to Absolution which I found far too easy and handholdy, so no worries there.

All's good then. I hope you've at least heard Chaos Theory's OST though.

>>13835168

We need to fit Bionic Commando (Original or Rearmed) somewhere in 2D Platforming. Remove one of the Rayman games for it? Can we switch Mad World with Ninja Gaiden Black?

>>13835168

>added a roguelike section

>it's actually roguelikes

you're a fucking hero

>>13835605

>We need to fit Bionic Commando (Original or Rearmed) somewhere in 2D Platforming. Remove one of the Rayman games for it?

Fuck, I forgot about Bionic Commando. Which Rayman should be cut though?

>Can we switch Mad World with Ninja Gaiden Black?

Sure, assuming nobody else thinks that's a bad idea.

>>13835624

>It is; do it immediately. Virtua Fighter and Soul Calibur are not the same as playing Guilty Gear or Samurai Shodown

It'll take a while to mess with formatting but I can try.

>Remove it, it was always overrated, and generally seen as when Molyneux began to be revealed as a habitual snakeoil salesman.

Yeh, probably for the best.

>>13835627

If only everyone would understand such basic concepts.

>>13835624

I'm thinking we should cut Weaponlord for a 3D fighting game, but I can't think of a 5th 3D fighting game for my life

>>13835817

I'll just go with four of them for now.

Still need a Rayman game to cut.

>>13836010

Is Crash Bash actually good? Seems weird to have a party games section with neither Fortune Street or Dokapon Kingdom.

>another rec thread

plz stop

>>13836134

>>13836063

Also I'll be away for a few hours if anons want to weigh in on what to stick in party games. If there's no conclusion by the time I'm back I'll probably stick in weebopoly Fortune Street.

>>13836134

>>13836010

For 3D fighting

>Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown

>Tekken 3

>DoA Ultimate

>>13835817

>Weaponlord

>3D fighting game

Nigger do you even play games?

>the only Call of Juarez game on the list is the shit ass cartoon graphics and animated concept art arcade game that has nothing to do with the Call of Juarez series

>no check mark on TTYD

do your self a favor man

>>13836334

Nice shit taste brah.

>>13836134

>99% of /v/ essentials are shit

>tons of glaring omissions

That's about what I expected

Play Thief 1&2 you faggot.

>>13834310

true enough, can we replace bloodborne with Nioh in a few months then? It really is best souls

>>13837456

>ADoM

Probably a good candidate, might replace the Finnish shitposting Roguelike.

>Original Rogue

I'll admit to not having played it, does it do anything that later Roguelikes haven't done better?

>>13837572

Seems doable.

>>13836655

With fanpatches.

>>13836334

>CoJ

Interesting game, more ambitious than either the tech of the time or the budget/talent of the devs was able to support. Playing as Wild West Dukat was fun.

>CoJ:BiB

Improved the shooting a bit but has all the downsides of a coop game without actually having coop gameplay (it seriously feels like they cut it as an option fairly late into development).

>Cartel

>

>>13836517

>Doesn't list omissions

>>13836321

Will stick one in in a bit.

>>13837456

>ADoM

Remember that Thomas Biskup is a faggot that won't release the source code.

>>13838375

Why though?

>>13835168

>>Roguelikes section added

There's a game called Rogue that would fit nicely in there

>>13838341

well, I feel that rogue should be on the list mostly because it originated the genre. Based on my experience of playing rogueclone V it kind of feels like brogue, except with simpler level generator, less variation between weapons and has experience points. I was actually surprised that it felt closer to brogue than nethack, at least to me. In case it has any relevance, I feel like rogue is still fun game to play

>>13838375

no ones perfect anon-kun

>>13838378

iirc, something about wanting to keep some sort of creative control over the setting is one of the reasons. I remember him saying that he doesn't want his game to be same kind of kitchen sink that nethack is. Also, apparently people demanded him to release source code and he didn't like that, so he decided that adom's source code will never be released, or something.

>>13838573

>>13838395

>I feel that rogue should be on the list mostly because it originated the genre

I've been avoiding adding things just out of historical importance a chart for games that are historically important would also be interesting actually, perhaps another project, that's why things like Wolfenstein 3D are missing: other games just do it better.

>it kind of feels like brogue, except with simpler level generator, less variation between weapons and has experience points.

Wouldn't Brogue be a better choice then? Again, consider gameplay rather than just influence on the genre.

>to brogue than nethack, at least to me

I honestly think nethack is too much kitchen-sink design, that's why I didn't put in on the chart.

>iirc, something about wanting to keep some sort of creative control over the setting is one of the reasons. I remember him saying that he doesn't want his game to be same kind of kitchen sink that nethack is.

Well I'm sympathetic to that view but nothing stops him maintaining that his is the only 'official' version.

>Also, apparently people demanded him to release source code and he didn't like that, so he decided that adom's source code will never be released, or something.

This just seems petty.

>>13838573

>>13838637

>Official version

That is release the source code with a disclaimer that his version is the only one he endorses. Couldn't you even easily modify an existing FOSS license to require the words 'unofficial' to be included somewhere?

>>13838637

well, gameplay-wise, I'd say brogue is good choice. I like the level generator, different kinds of weapons have different kinds of attacks(stuff like spears hitting two enemies in a row and axes hitting every adjacent enemy as an example) different enemies require different tactics. I know this isn't that good description, but the way I would describe brogue is well designed. Like someone actually put thought about how different parts of game work and interact.One fun crowd control tactic I use is to throw a potion of paralysis to a group of enemies and then light the gas on fire with staff of firebolt for example, and then watch as the monsters are burned alive, unable to flee One thing about brogue that seems rare in roguelikes is that brogue lacks character levels and experience points completely and only way to get more powerful is through equipment and other items.

>>13838639

Gotta admit, I'm not that familiar with this license stuffeven tho' I probably should, in case I ever get my game to releaseable state. But what you suggested would seem sensible to me too.

>>13838711

Stick with GPL v3 it'll keep your code free as freedom, and you can claim copyright on assets like art, music, title etc.

>>13833613

Why the fuck are you basing what games you play on some reddit tier chart that a random idiot made on the internet who doesn't have the same taste in games as you?

>>13839258

Given that he's going through every genre and picking only the technical bests, he doesn't know what he likes and has no idea what to ask for nor what to seek out. Notice how many 2d 3d platformers he's got through and how comparatively few Racing or Simulation games he's got ticked off. He's a newfag, but at least he's trying to learn and doesn't presume he knows it all already.

>>13839207

Honestly this should be required by law ~20 years after the game is released. The assets are still a viable commercial product and frankly most 20 year old games only run acceptably with fan patches anyway.

I don't think sequels should be allowed on these Essentials lists. It goes without saying (hopefully) that people who play a game will naturally try to play the others in the series.

I'd like to propose that we replace individual games with their respective series to save on space, with the image used to represent the series being the one that makes for the most defining game or best starting point for the series.

Spinoffs in different genres can represent those genres but we shouldn't have something like 3 Silent Hill games clogging up the horror section (even though all three are unarguably essential horror games).

>>13838749

I know visual novels aren't exactly /v/ territory but that section needs to be seriously reworked or outright replaced. Katawa Shoujo and Unteralterbach I can understand because they're meme games (in the sense that they have significance in relation to imageboard culture) but Fate/Stay Night seems like it was just thrown on there because it's kinda-sorta popular and has other games. Could replace it with OMGWTFOTL which is pretty much the oldfag VN (the [X] GENUFLECT game).

>>13833613

There's a couple that are not on this list that I would add:

>Fighter:

MK9

>Racing:

Split/Second

>Action-Adventure:

Shadows of the Damned

Also, THPS2 over THPS3.

And go play Baynetta already, you fucking nigger!

>>13833633 (checked)

You, uh, forgot to tell him what to play.

>playng doos x

fag

>>13844651

>I don't think sequels should be allowed on these Essentials lists. It goes without saying (hopefully) that people who play a game will naturally try to play the others in the series.

I've been trying to follow this rule with two major exceptions:

1. If the sequels represent a major shift in gameplay or possibly even genre (e.g. HL1 vs HL2, C&C95/RA2 vs Generals, RE vs RE4). This also goes for spin-offs but you covered that already.

2. If the games are impossible to pick between, particularly if they're also at the peak of their genre (Thief 1 vs Thief 2, C&C 1 vs RA2, Ace Combat series).

>I'd like to propose that we replace individual games with their respective series to save on space, with the image used to represent the series being the one that makes for the most defining game or best starting point for the series.

>Spinoffs in different genres can represent those genres but we shouldn't have something like 3 Silent Hill games clogging up the horror section (even though all three are unarguably essential horror games).

This should probably be done with certain series. As you say a Silent Hill game could be dropped and probably one Ace Combat game too. I also don't think we need SM64, Sunshine and Galaxy in 3D platformers, personally I'd vote for dropping SM64 since it's another case of nostalgia/historical importance more than perfection of gameplay. Perhaps a softer rule of 'no more than two games without significant gameplay or genre changes' would allow for more variety while also not penalising great games for existing as part of an already top-tier series.

>>13844692

>I know visual novels aren't exactly /v/ territory

The 'official' ruling on that from a certain cake-eating jew is that they are /v/-related, I don't put too much stock in what he goes with but there is a significant amount of interest in them so I think the category should exist in some limited form.

>Fate/Stay Night seems like it was just thrown on there because it's kinda-sorta popular and has other games. Could replace it with OMGWTFOTL which is pretty much the oldfag VN (the [X] GENUFLECT game).

Give me coverart and I'll fix it.

>>13844727

I can add things but you'll have to suggest a game to cut.

>>13844776

Not a game I've played I must admit. I believe it was on the original chart before I edited it.

>>13844204

Console/10.

>>13833613

The Thousand Year Door. Play that.

>>13844776

The original Ratchet and Clank should be on there, either as 3D platformer or I guess action/adventure. Put on Link's Awakening for a 2D Zelda. Sly 2 does deserve to be on the chart but it isn't a stealth game.

>>13845441

>The original Ratchet and Clank should be on there, either as 3D platformer or I guess action/adventure

Should probably replace one of the existing Ratchet and Clank games, you'll have to nominate one.

>Put on Link's Awakening for a 2D Zelda.

Yeh, it's either that or stick A Link to the Past back on. Frankly 2D Zelda > 3D Zelda. I assume there are no objections to the GBC version being the one I go with.

>Sly 2 does deserve to be on the chart but it isn't a stealth game.

It's really just there because of limited room elsewhere.

>>13845452

I played both for the first time ~3 years ago and frankly neither was particularly impressive. MM at least did something different, OoT was just uninteresting. I suppose Link's Awakening could replace both.

>>13845660

Will add.

>>13846171

Kingdom Hearts should come out long before Bloodborne is considered.

>>13846364

>So in non-VNfag terms, stick Fate/Stay Night on?

Correct, it is unironically good and it was popular for a good reason.

>The only thing I really know about KH is that it attracts autism of Sonic proportions but it could probably also go.

The OG Kingdom Hearts was one of the last things Squaresoft made before it died and became Nu-Square. The original one was before the writing went batshit insane and is mostly self-contained and coherent. It's combat while a bit dated is well made as well. It is a good game that should be on the list. The later entries should definitely be left off of it however.

>>13846385

Right, will mess with in a second.

>>13844776

Risk of rain is pretty great if you like that type of genre

it even has AGDG scroll past as a statue on the main menu sometimes

>>13833613

Play Jedi Outcast instead of Jedi Academy

>>13846385

The writing in the first one is still completely batshit and the game doesn't even get remotely enjoyable to play until halfway through. Just because the series only got worse from there that doesn't justify it being on the list at all.

>>13850219

>still complete bullshit

>when it was comfy as fuck and as close to a casual "go through all the Disney worlds" feel the series ever got to before it devolved into OC territoy

Yeah nah the first one has a very likeable story and minimal amounts of autism with only 4 OC characters and mostly just FF and Disney. The main detraction from Kingdom Hearts at least story wise is when the OC hits hard in 2 and suddenly there are 19 Kingdom Hearts autism boxes running around and it only gets worse from there. The first was well written and from before Square went to shit. Not the most deep and amazing story mind you, but everything doesn't need to be edgy.

>yakuza 5

>over yakuza 4

For real? Why?

Play Yakuza 0, Vanquish, or Tales of Symphonia next

>>13858964

Give me a cover and I can change it.

>>13858942

Should we cut either Killer Instinct or Mortal Kombat II for Super Street Fighter II Turbo/HD Remix? Soul Calibur II or Soul Calibur V? And should we cut Mario Kart 8 for Wipeout?

>>13836134

I'm gonna say replace Rearmed with the NES version. I played both at the recommendation of this thread, and the NES version was delightful, while Rearmed was clunky and an eyesore. I also didn't get very far in though, so if it justifies itself more later on, let me know. But from what I saw the original is far superior.

>>13864087

I've played both but neither for a particularly long time, it's not really my genre (I just went with the newer one since I've never heard otherwise). I'll wait and see if other anons have an opinion and if not will put the NES one on instead.

>>13864131

Play an adventure game or a shmup

>>13864131

>entire jrpg list is empty

You're a pleb, get out of here.

>>13864131

I'd recommend Timeshift but you'll need to get past the first hour or two before it gets good. Also that's an old version of the chart.

>>13834898

>All the console stuff is gone

that's a shame, because Jak 2&3 were really fucking good.

HOWEVER given the new list I'd say that

>2d platformer

cave story is good. It won't blow your fucking mind like everyone suggested it would back in the day. But it's good.

>Metroidvania

if you wanna play a metroidvania I would suggest you just emulate some of the older games. Hollow knight was good, but not good enough to finish (for me)

>On rail shooter

PLAY KID ICARUS NOW! I fucking love that game I'd give it a 8-9/10. The writing is bretty gud, and the gameplay is good too. Just don't play it for more than an hour at a time or you hand will start to cramp.

>FPS

Republic commando is a good 7/10. But I played it back when I was a console kiddie so maybe it's aged poorly.

Serious Sam is over-rated.

>CRPG

Arcanum is good if you can manage to get it to run for more than 30 minutes without crashing.

>Action-RPG

Torchlight 2 is a shitty diablo. I wouldn't recommend it.

>RTS

all 3 of those games are fucking great and I would recommend them all. Dawn of war especially (Get soul storm and dark crusade, then go back and play the others if you liked em).

>Turn based strategy

Heros of might and magic 3 is fantastic. I recently re-played it and it still holds up after all these years.

>simulation

Star wars episode 1 racer was breddy gud

>stealth

Mark of the Ninja has ok story solid gameplay and good puzzles, but it just wasn't my cup of tea. Play at your own risk.

>puzzle

Scribblenaughts is great. There's a reason there's like 5 sequels.

>>13864375

>all 3 of those games are fucking great and I would recommend them all. Dawn of war especially (Get soul storm and dark crusade, then go back and play the others if you liked em).

I'll add to this: 1 and Winter Assault have a storylined campaign, Dark Crusade and SS have a more open-ended map-based one.

>>13864716

I'll have a look.

>>13864737

Oh, never mind. That chart really needs to be remade, it's a bit of a mess.

>>13865575

Also, I want to mention something: unlike other genres, sports shoves like a million different subgenres and sport types into one broad category. If we're talking essentials, there's only about three titles everyone will enjoy and the rest of the list depends entirely on whether or not that person has a basic understanding of that particular sport.

>>13865645

>>13865575

Yeh, I guess pick the best from that list.

>real time tactics

>interesting but shallow and easy as fuck Syndicate

>visual porn but casual as fuck World in Conflict

>Crusader, while a great game, being classified as RTT

>no MechCommander

What the fuck

>>13865876

>visual porn but casual as fuck World in Conflict

World in Conflict isn't casual, it's just not gookclick-tier shit like Wargame. It's a classic case of easy to learn, hard to master. Actually R.U.S.E. should probably be on there for similar reasons.

>Crusader, while a great game, being classified as RTT

Cut it already anyway.

>interesting but shallow and easy as fuck Syndicate

Shit taste.

>no MechCommander

Probably could swap Gettysburg out for it, now the question is 1 or 2.

>>13865891

You must have not played MechCommander at all if you have to ask that question

>>13865896

I've heard of it, never gotten around to it. There's lots of good vidya and very little time anon.

>>13865936

The original chart having EU:IV is a large part of the reason I decided to edit it in the first place.

>>13865951

Well don't waste your time with the second game is my advice.

When you play the first game, maybe you'll appreciate how I feel about Syndicate. MechCommander does character progression and economy way better, and the mission designs have a ton of variety and demand well-rounded squad loadout and tactics rather than just "use miniguns and aggro enemies to come to you".

The salvage-based economy in the game and persistent unit damage/loss means every mission has high stakes and you'll be pushed to play as expertly and efficiently as possible. The best equipment are only available as salvage from the enemy and you'll do your best to hang on to them. Sometimes you wouldn't want to advance a mission even though your guys made it out alive simply because too many rare weapons got destroyed on your mechs.

There's so much more to do in missions too. The fog of war mechanic encourages you to scout ahead, there are equipment to capture, sentry guns can be manipulated, mechs equipped with jump jets can fly over water or over walls, you can call in airstrikes, destroy bridges, etc.

>>13863979

HD remix is a respectless badly drawn turd, that's right out. SF2 itself is very historically significant and represents a unique (very merciless) gameplay style that hasn't really been done again but I think at a casual/singleplayer level SF3 does everything SF2 did better so I don't like the idea of cutting out another franchise for more SF representation too much.

>>13866015

I'll have to get onto it reasonably soon then. Any fanpatches or the like needed? Also give me a cover, I'll probably take Gettysburg out for it.

>>13866035

No fanpatches or fixes needed. Just get the ISO of the game from myabandonware. The installer seems to have issues on modern systems but you simply need to copy the contents of the ISO to your drive and run the game .exe to play, though you need to keep the ISO mounted. There's a rip version too but I don't know what's been left out with that.

>>13866114

Ah, was it released as freeware along with MW4?

>>13866123

It was released as freeware along with MC2 some years before MW4: Mercs was.

Go for No more heroes 2 it's really fucking good

rct2

day of the tentacle

diablo i/ii/lod

red alert 2

metal slug

kerbal space program

tony hawks pro skater/ tony hawks underground 1 and 2

katawa shoujo :^)

>he hasn't played Deus Ex

DOOD

>>13866184

Right, I'll add it in a second.

>>13864417

thoughts on Dawn of War 2?

>>13835168

>being this autistic about HL2

you fucking people

>>13878095

I didn't like the genre shift but it's still playable, particularly in coop. Chaos Rising is the best of the three by dint of its storyline and the games in general paid a lot of attention to the fan-favourite characters of the last few games.

Last Stand is fun but the persistent unlocks are silly.

>>13878955

If you don't want autism about video games what the fuck are you doing on /v/?

>>13878095

>>13881007

In other words have a shot at it, just don't go in expecting DoW1 again because 2 is more RTT than RTS. Avoid 3.