/v/ - Video Games

Is good not good controller.

I like it, but it can be a little crampt.

It's not wireless so it's probably alright.

>>13805284

Is post dubs, or not post dubs?

>Hyperkin

That like, some furry superhero?

>asymmetrical

not good. my hands are symmetrical, so my controller should be too.

>>13805284

>hyperkin

It's shit.

>>13805376

Hilariously, BT is capable of less latency than USB.

>>13805484

Air presents less resistance than copper wire and allows for a faster transfer rate.

>>13805284

Idk you tell me looking to get one for christmas.

looks comfy to me

>>13805536

If I understand correctly, a mouse only has a frequency of 250hz, so it's only receiving data from your motions 250 times a second. A bluetooth sends information 1000 times a second, hence less latency. This is because a wired mouse and bluetooth work on different principles, one is electricity, the other is a type of radio(?) wave.

>>13805560

Yes but are 100% of those 1000 signals per second actually received via bluetooth?

>>13805623

If your radio isn't shit, your firmware isn't shit, your CPU can handle it (higher polling rate translates into more hardware interrupts), sure. Jitter is normal though, so it's probably not going to sit at an exact 1ms, instead bouncing typically bouncing rapidly between 1-1.2ms.

>>13805493

<speed of LIGHTNING vs speed of sound or wind

i refuse to believe

>>13805650

>speed of sound or wind

nigga it's radiowaves

>>13805666

*not the

>>13805666

hello satan

>>13805668

Pretty sure he's yanking your chain m8.

>>13805681

>RF frequencies are annoying to hear/feel

really!?

I have a whole bunch of wired stuff so I don't know.

>>13805707

According to the other anon, yes. Your computer probably doesn't naturally supply current at 1000Hz, that's just overkill. See >>13805598

>>13805284

If you're going for something like that then get one of these. I've been looking to get the small white and cyan one for playing emulated games on my cellphone.

I got the Motorola z2 force, the modular one. I saw today that it has its own modular controller. I might just end up using that on long trips and the BT controller at work.

>>13805518

I know I hear the story behind this somewhere, I just cant remember when. Something about a tranny in an emulation group doing nothing and crying harassment after being called out on it.

I think it depends on the depth of the thing. Unless the back looks more like a Xbox controller, i don't think it's going to give you the support needed to comfortable thumb stick usage. I can't imagine reaching across that thing from the Dpad or right thumb stick. Also is it me or does that Dpad look like shit?

I'm not a controller/console guy, but i don't think i'd buy this as anything other than cheap experiment. BTW, i got a Steam link…. as one of those cheap experiments i just mentioned, and it's basically useless in my situtation! Bu, but , but! I want to try it with party games, in a setting it was designed for. This will require wireless controllers, any recommendations?

any mouse over 50 American dollars has polling rates of at least 500

most games and software don't even work well with 1000 rate anyways.

Aren't most 1000 polling rate wireless hardware upwards of like 100 dollars to 300 dollars?

Oh, and if wireless IS really better than wired, then how come we don't see l33t CS pros using it in leagues?

>>13805518

>Faster polling rate = less latency

Polling rate is just the time between signals, not the speed at which signals are sent. It would technically improve latency to increase polling rate in a way, but it's not the most important factor. If I send a thousand signals a second, and a program polls for signals a thousand times a second, that doesn't mean shit if it takes a year for that signal to go from point A to point B. Also, usb polling rate can be increased to a 1000hz anyways, my mouse is on a polling rate of 1000hz right now.

>>13805735

tl;dr is a tranny "emudev" (rachel bryk) repeatedly came to /emugen/ to attention whore about being told to fuck off and jump off a fucking bridge… And then he actually went and jumped off a fucking bridge, the mad man!

>>13805755

Watch this video.

>>13805763

I already covered this, please read the thread before posting.

>>13805802

>radio waves move faster through air than electricity though wires

yes.

This thread reminds me why you never ever discuss science on /v/.

Fucking everyone in here except me is retarded.

>>13805809

>during fast movement it polls at a constant 1000hz, but when I'm slowly moving the mouse it's poll rate is lower

That's normal. I'm guessing the program only detects if a poll sees a change. When you move your mouse slowly, there may be times where your sensor does not detect a change in position between polls, and thus there's nothing to update.

>>13805832

Thanks anon ill check it out.

>>13805832

>Medicore build quality, overpriced as fuck, shitty customer service.

Saw some reviews on it and it seems like there isn't an over charge protector and a few scuffs on the face buttons don't seem too bad.

>>13806147

Do more research.

>>13805779

>pasty estrogen loaded doughball yammering for 18 minutes

i'll just take your word for it, fuck

>>13805284

no

>>13806267

Anon he's a leaf. That's just how they look. Anyway, the tl;dr of the video is that the new wireless logitech mice have lower latency than wired competitors.

>>13805598

Anon, your explanation is lackluster. How does your USB BT radio not encounter the exact same issue the mouse has in regards to port Hz? Its going to get bottlenecked by frequency of the port itself.

>>13805889

>transfer rate = transfer speed

I think you need to go back to high school before you try to tell someone they're retarded.

>>13806437

I just showed you a picture of my drivers, that I actually can hit 1000hz with my mouse over usb. Controllers, on the other hand, don't support this unless you're "overclocking" the port itself, which can introduce a whole host of issues, while most controller software does support increasing the bluetooth polling rate.

>>13805284

that shit looks emo as hell

>>13805805

I have the nes style one with analouge sticks and the sfc without. The nes style is a bit small and the sfc feels and responds extremely close to an official sfc controller. Build qualitiy has been good and the price was reasonable. Overall I am happy with them. But I may have simply gotten lucky.

>>13805284

It took one look for me to say no. XOne is better than that shit. Fuck the D-pad nearly falls off the fucking thing. Who the fuck would want this if they own the One controller (Which barely passes mediocre to begin with)?

>>13815805

Wave your hand through the air. Now wave your hand through a bundle of copper cables. Which has less resistance? Checkmate.

>>13805493

This is some high-quality bait. Have your (you).

>>13805450

>symmetrical hands

Are you a mutant?

>>13815840

>bandwidth is latency

Speed, when used in reference to networking, is the latency of the network.

A quick search shows the latency of USB3 is ~0.00005 seconds, where as bluetooth is ~0.1+ seconds.

USB is faster.

>>13816359

When I hear people say speed I think bandwidth. Latency is lag.

>>13805484

Until the faggot batteries die.

>>13805484

"Sound waves need to travel through a medium such as a solid, liquid, or gas. The sound waves move through each of these mediums by vibrating the molecules in the matter. The molecules in solids are packed very tightly. Liquids are not packed as tightly as solids. And gases are very loosely packed. The spacing of the molecules enables sound to travel much faster through a solid than a gas. Sound travels about four times faster and farther in water than it does in air. This is why whales can communicate over huge distances in the oceans. Sound waves travel about thirteen times faster in wood than air. They also travel faster on hotter days as the molecules bump into each other more often than when it is cold."

- http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/biomusic/6517

Looks awful just from the photo. Thumbsticks require you to position your hand in a more "claw-like" manner because you have to lift your thumb onto the thumbstick. If you don't have properly shaped "wings" to support the rest of your hand while you make this gripping posture, you get cramps.

>>13816461

meant for:

>>13805493

>>13805818

>>13805493

>>13805518

>>13805598

wow, this much retardation, I can't even believe anyone else corrected them already

but here comes a lesson, pay attention kids

saying bluetooth has higher frequency than usb is pointless, simply because of the fact that:

input from whatever is going to be converted on your controller to radio, to them converted again from radio on the receiver and transmited to whatever again, probably through a usb receiver or internal usb on most hardwares

so the latency for wireless stuff is not just the speed of travel but also added to the usual means of transmission

in terms of speed, both of the signals travel through magnetic waves, eletricity and radio are both magnetic waveforms

and while its true that it is faster trhough the air, wired stuff has way less interference and thus failed packets or miss transmits,

on a final note, you're a bunch of faggots

>>13805792

and just add even more to the discussion

even if there is a input lag of 4ms, that is literally impossible notion for a human being, literally less than a moment

precisely saying, its 4/1000 of a second if you can grasp that concept

like anon said, 250hz, regular monitors run at 60hz only for comparison,

and despite what retards say, humans can't barely grasp any higher framerates than that

>>13805484

>>13805505

>>13805536

>>13805707

and this fucking kid needs to go back to school

>>13816512

Only good if you're playing Nioh.

>>13805779

>>13816512

NIGGA

>latency

Niggers none of your technical arguments matter because physical buttons physically bounce, producing a lot of signal noise around the time of button press - it doesn't goes from 0 to 1 in a clean rectangle wave in an instant. Bouncing can last anywhere between 5 and 50 milliseconds, it's random, but for some kinds of switches it's worse than for the others. And because actually decent firmware programming is rare these days blame the kikes that outsource programming to the cheapest pajeets out there, debouncing has to be handled by hardware - using a bypass capacitor. An individual cap is a low pass filter, it removes high frequency ripple from the signal. It also makes it lag, for obvious reasons. So just these capacitors add a solid 20-50 ms of lag on your controller. Focusing on an odd few milliseconds lost in the USB stack is pissing in the wind.

>>13817052

>ur a bunch of fags XDDD

>proceeds to walk it back here >>13817077 and admit that while there is a latency difference, exactly as I said, it's "literally impossible notion for a human being"

Suck start a shotgun you dumb fucking nigger.

>>13818486

Also when debouncing is done in software when the kikes figure they'll save more money on caps than spend on programming, they still do it by emulating a low pass filter with all the same characteristics and the same amount of lag.

If you want a controller that doesn't lag, you gonna need a custom hardware and firmware and a parallel port. With enough effort you can make it run over USB instead of RS232, but that will most definitely be laggier with the only benefit being not requiring a parallel port. Otherwise though you're shit out of luck.

>>13817077

I beg to differ, but I've been using a 144hz monitor for years.

>>13805518

stop posting dead memes

>>13816469

>>13816461

This may surprise you, but sound is different than both electricity and radio waves, and also far slower than both.

>>13815850

I assumed that he meant symmetrical as in symmetrical in reference to his entire body, not his hands themselves, you autistic motherfucker.

>>13805493

Air has a resistance in the BILLIONS of Ohms.

Copper has reistance measured in milliohms per METER.

>>13815833

>being tangible

>>13805805

Unwanted feedback:As I have two of these, do not buy anything round but with the NES/Famicom designs on them (second row, #1 and #2). The L/R buttons will cut into your fucking fingers.

The SNES-styled ones are perfect though.

>>13805598

Technical anon here

USB has a stamdard poll of 125hz, that's the default standard for reporting speed for connected devices, it's up to the manufacturer of how fast they want the device to talk to the computer, and can go as fast as 1000hz

Also it's not "Stuck at 4ms no matter what" your USB polling speed is dictated by the device attached, not the port itself, again lowest it can go is 125hz and highest is 1000hz

Some mice even if they have 1000hz polling rate will have above 4ms response time because they're shit, all Razer mice before 2015 were all 4-6ms, Logitech has had mouse response time between mouse movement and sending out the signal to the PC at ~1ms since the G9x when they started using custom built controllers for speed and not off the shelf shit

And BT while it is default 1000mhz it again is limited to the actual device of sending out quickly, the XBOX 360 wireless internals had 6ms lag and the PS3 had 7ms lag for any wireless devices, both now sit at 2ms lag today

Anon needs to stop talking out his ass

Also if you want to check your connected rate go here https://zowie.benq.com/en/support/mouse-rate-checker.html

>>13805560

You are confusing the polling rate, with transmission type.

The hardware (either usb controllers or bluetooth radios) can handle a limited range of polling rates as determined by their specifications. The connecting hardware like a mouse or other bluetooth device can request a variety of polling rates.

Some gaymen mice poll at 1000hz. I believe most usb2 chipsets are limited to a 500hz polling rate, but usb3 can go higher. I'm not very familiar with any of this since I mostly don't care.

I have heard of some autists that have even overclocked usb2 ports.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1589644/usb-mouse-hard-overclocking-2000-hz

>>13805284

>designed for 2D games

>d-pad and face buttons are not parallel

Into the trash it goes.

>>13805805

Design looks good only for Mario Kart

>>13828733

Just get a usb SNES adapter.

>>13805284

It’s objectively the best control layout, but given that it’s a Microsoft product I can’t imagine it being a good controller.

>>13828733

hori fighting commander or anything with a saturn style d-pad

>>13805493

>(1)

Why wasn’t this faggot banned?

>>13818573

I think he's just a grumpy goon getting triggered by animu sluts.

>>13806157

You're telling him to do more research, when clearly it seems you purchased this product of your own folly. Anon, I hate to tell you this, but people have different opinions on "build quality," and what satisfies them.

>>13828764

>>13828733

Get an adapter or Ibuffalo.

but who has phone?

>>13806454

>>13805889

Has there been a serious analysis of controller latency like this one for keyboards? Seems like latency is not getting the kind of attention it deserves.

https://danluu.com/keyboard-latency/

tl;dr: Gaming keyboards don't have reliably better latency than non-gaming keyboards. Key latency in modern keyboards is dominated by physical key travel, cost-saving use of key matrix rather than wire-per-key, and unnecessarily inefficient debouncing.

you guys are all really dumb, Bluetooth has no inherent resistance in it's data transfer (radio waves transfer through air with less 'resistance' than electricity through copper) and the polling rate proves that it's faster.

t. physicist

My only regret is that after you parse the low latency Bluetooth connection, it has to go back onto super slow wires

Wired will always be superior to Wireless

>>13835260

Souls games are designed for Dualshock controllers (really any will do) where you can comfortably rest your index fingers between L1/L2 and R1/R2 to quickly hit either. Meanwhile, 360/bone pads are designed around shooters/racing games where 95% of the time your fingers are going to be on the triggers, and shoulder buttons are used sparingly, just like the dpad.

I don't know why you didn't see that coming.

>>13845050

I remember a few anons saying the xbone controller was better than the DS3/4 so he probably just took their word for it instead of realizing that some anons are just full of shit.

>>13845075

It's easy to understand why anons would say that, since most of them probably had the 360 as their first or second console, and already had the pads lying around and were only familiar with that layout. That's not even touching choice-supportive bias which certainly plays a large part in what they're saying. Anyway, from a console gamer's perspective, especially one that's stuck playing shooters with a gamepay, the xbox layout is okay. From a PC gamer's perspective, there's some serious disadvantages to that layout, as that anon is now discovering.