/v/ - Video Games

Is this a new game?

>>13765506

Came out last year IIRC, made by former TW developers. Didn't get much attention.

>>13765399

From your post it sounds like the devs deserve shekels for this. Is it on steam only? Also, have a torrent link handy?

>>13765583

>last year

>release date 14 Sep, 2017

Are you a time traveler?

>>13765614

I thought it hung around in early access for a while, though I might be mistaken.

>>13765634

That must be it, because I remember people leaving reviews way before September of this year.

>>13765614

yeah it was early access apparently, and got some attention from youtubers, mostly who play TW stuff

>>13765611

its pretty fucking good, it does deserve sheckels even though the game is lacking, but most important it shows really great promise to bring something better than civ to the table

https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5453020

this seems to be it, got my download from ipt if you have it

>>13765826

It's on my list now but it will probably be months before i get around to it. And, no, I'm saying that guy's face is how I feel whenever traps get posted on /v/.

How's the city-building and resource management?

>>13765399

>solve the riddle having a depth tactical battle layer without having to go full in like TW

explain

>>13766543

in this game you have armies stack that goes up to 12 units max I think

but not only that, you have army organization, you put units into lines and stances, for each unit

and since movement plays out simultaneously at the end of turn, you have literal tactical battles unfolding

the difference is where on TW you have real rts with formations and everything, in this game you mini battles that can't interfere directly

check OP's picture, all of those armies also engage simultaneously creating pretty much epic scale battles

the only problem with the system is that its quite complicated to understand whats going to happen beforehand

for example, you have units engaging when wouldn't expect them to, crossing rivers or doing stupid shit

>>13766003

also take a look at OP's pic, cities have a huge radius of influence, and they can physically bigger occupying all neighbor hexes

cities also only expand borders when actually building something on the tile, which can be annoying when trying to expand for a resource

BUT they also can work some tile that isn't on their border, for example you can clear forests pretty far away for anticipation to settling there

which brings me to my next point and grievance:

there is only one actual way to work the land, and that is through farms, the only usable resource,

farms -> food -> population which is basically the only resource/currency in game

there is also resource based trade and its a cool feature, but besides that you really only population

unlike civ where you would have production/research/health and other types of yields currency, in this game you have only food

so you the only things you can really build on maps are farms, clearing forests for farms, roads, and occasionally temple or mine on mountains

this is why I've mentioned before that the game is lacking, it makes perfect sense for the setting though

there are other details to pay attention to city management though, they are limited by size so you can't build everything you want

there a two types of civil unrest, noble or peasant, and have different ways of dealing with

>>13766735

What's unit variety like? Are there major factional differences at the strategic level?

>(((Iceberg))) Interactive

>>13766745

there is some variety,

militia/noble/military units

there are also some differences bonuses between factions though these seem rather arbitrary

there are two major factions types being farmers/herders which I don't know exactly how it plays out

and finally there seems to be a mongols faction that appear late game

What period of Chinese history is it set in?

>>13766825

based off their trailer 1500BC

>>13766828

Dag, well after the Sangoku/Three Kingdoms period.

>>13766764

>Titanic

>(((Coincidence)))

>Implying it wasn't the ice(((berg))) all along

Bump for interest

>>13766780

inderasting

I'll keep an eye on it

>>13766967

>major opponents of the federal reserve went down with the titanic

FUCK

AAAAAAAHHHHHH

>>13767496

It looks a bit nicer than Civilization V.

>>13765399

>every player plans their moves with unfold during end turn

Neat so it's like that really old game originally played by mail back before the second world war, Diplomacy.

>>13767501

it does look nicer, though, there isn't much desert/drylands and sometimes its hard discern some features, like where is passable or not

I wish it was less foggy though

>>13766967

and here comes /pol/ to ruin another thread

>>13769461

Hey /leftypol/ how it's the cuck going?

>>13769461

>muh /pol/

>>13769461

>here come the facts which make you suicidal for never ever being able to switch your sex

>>13769827

>>13769773

>le boogeyman

>>13769808

>muh videogame based discussions

>>13769836

Hop some more IPs

>>13766967

>not scaling up berg even more so his nose alone can be the tip of the iceberg

amateurs

>>13770168

It's easier to assume that Jews did it, regardless of what it was, until proven otherwise.

I wanted to ask if anyone here had played Romance of the Three Kingdoms XIII, and how it was after they released the big expansion.

>>13770168

>he didn't know the Jews did it

I like the way the combat works. The things I hate most about 4x games are when you have to waste resources to build military units that could have otherwise been spent on building your cities and when combat results in your units dying quickly. This game avoids both. Instead of having some gay production queue for units you can just conscript units whenever you want and send them back when you're done with them, but you still have to worry about upkeep costs and unrest and you sometimes might want to keep them around for their veterancy or if there's a long cooldown on recruiting them. Battles take several turns to kill units so it's not like you can just instantly lose everything.

>>13770251

It crashes sometimes before battles, but the RPG elements are pretty great and there's a lot of different playstyles available to you as far as character development.

well just found two guides on steam to counter my argument above:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1171605015

the first one explains better battle plans for those who still didn't get it, but doens't provide real examples on they can be applied

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1156684266

the second one a massive autist guide seems to cover everything, dunno if gud or not

>>13769461

Maybe report it instead of giving it more attention?

Reminder that shitty poltical de-rails are against the rules and it's the duty of every /v/irgin to report them.

>>13765399

So how does that solve the issue of death stacks? I'm guessing from the pic that it went with "1 army per tile" like Civ5, but that wasn't a very popular idea.

What does this one do differently?

> every player plans their moves with unfold during end turn, so its not even applicable to the mp clickfest

I get the idea that 4X never progressed very well from Hotspot\turn-based games onto multiplayer, where every player gets to act their turn at the same time and units move in it as well, leading to this shit where once a turn begins, you have to click faster than your oponent to attack him or save a unit.

Glad to see someone at least has the brains to figure out the easy solution to it.

>your biggest currency is people

Oh that's chinese alright.

>>13770356

>you conscript troops instead of producing them

YES! This is what I was waiting for! Sick and tired of having to delay the advancement of my cities just to make an army that I won't even need if it's big enough to scare people and does nothing but eat resources in upkeep unless I go the violent route.

It always feels like a waste unless you're being militaristic in nature.

Although, one of the best things in Civ was heavily investing in Gold and stockpiling thousands of it. The moment someone declared war on you for having no army, you Rush several units every single turn in every city and BOOM instant army with a target in-sight and no "war mongering" issues.

>>13771726

>So how does that solve the issue of death stacks? I'm guessing from the pic that it went with "1 army per tile" like Civ5, but that wasn't a very popular idea.

>Glad to see someone at least has the brains to figure out the easy solution to it.

exactly this, the problem with civ style warfare was that first, with you put death stacks to protect your units, but no matter which units, when you face two stacks your stronger unit against stronger defender, killing and grinding until something settles

civ5 tried to solve this with 1upt, which turned more into a cluster fuck board game

there was another game that did planning really well, I think Pandora (or the game from the same dev that preceded it)

either way, in this game you actual form army composition and formation, like x archers in front, melee to clash and calvary to flank

>YES! This is what I was waiting for! Sick and tired of having to delay the advancement of my cities just to make an army

not only that, there isn't a "build queue" in this game (well there is), but instead there are several things you can built simultaneously

for example you can build farms/roads/clear land and buildings all at once, the only things that cost money are buildings,

but building stuff occupies your population which could be either constructing something, farming for faster growth and getting taxed

its a pretty cool system, if a city has a big surplus of food eventually you get people doing nothing which can be used freely for constructions and reduces unrest

also I think recruiting soldiers also cost population, but I haven't noticed it because its pretty subtle effect

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!

Welp, this is gonna take some time getting used to. It's quite different from pretty much every other 4X I've tried so far.

Not perfect at all, lots of issues actually, but very original and definetely unique.

The economy and combat seem to have a massive focus, culture and science are entirely background stuff, but overall I'm enjoying a lot of stuff they did.

Culture is just a counter you increase with some research and when you have 50 more than the second guy, you win. It also boosts trades with other dudes based on culture differences, which is pretty neat, but that's it.

Science has 4 trees, Power, Craft, Knowledge and Spirituality I think. Surpringly, you research all 4 trees at the same time in paralell, which 4 projects at the same time (I think I only ever saw Stelaris doing something like this) and some tech needs previous tech from other trees.

It's neat how it works since you don't have to sacrifice economical upgrades for military ones for instance, but military factions advance faster in the Power tree making them unlock more tech there.

Economy, I'm sure I haven't even seen all there is to it. But there's the standard trade routes between cities, both yours and oponents, buildings to boost them, roads and docks to connect them, etc. The value of trade comes from local products a settlement has, controlling resources is massively important for this very reason.

And since you need a truckload of money both to pay for new buildings and upkeep for troops, this is very important.

Towns are quite interesting in that peasants aren't allocated manually by you. Rather they default to producing food but you can give them some work like building roads, clearing woods or building something new and an amount of peasants will shift to work on that, up to the limit that there's still enough food being produced.

This means that a town doesn't have to always be building something new, whenever people aren't building they are increasing their population instead.

There's also limits to the number of buildings a town can have so no more Civ-style "build one of each on every town because why the fuck not?" Specializing your towns ends up being important.

Of especial note here is food since there are 2 ways to produce it. Farms for agriculture let peasants produce a nice stream of food dependant on the state of a tile while Herds let you produce far more food but 1 peasant can do the work of 2, although there may be problems with the herds I haven't found yet.

Battles are pretty great. They all engage at the same time according to their tactics so it ends up looking like an RTS instead but you have no input so ironically no gookclick for advantage.

Soldiers are also taken from a pool that builds up overtime with a limit based on the buildings it has.

You can spawn a large milita to defend a settlement out of nowhere and it only costs the upkeep, so you never have to have idle armies.

I still have issues with the HUD, like how it shows the bonus and malus for unrest and other stuff with the same color so it's not very clear, and it's taking a while getting used to the economical balance of this.

I'd also prefer if soldiers were taken directly from the population instead and consider that part of it's cost.

>>13769836

>waa the /pol/ boogie men are out to ruin everything!

>heh only babies are scared of boogie men

only lefties could have this kind of doublethink.

>>13776625

>RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!

thanks I was away yesterday and now with a looming hangover

but I'll get back to it later

>>13776625

WISE FWOM YOUR GWABE!

>shilling a pro-gook game

Fuck off

>>13780752

>a game that features chinese culture is shilling for gooks

>talking about a videogame is shilling

Ahah, you're such a funny guy.

I'm getting a bit disapointed with the game though, I still have a few things I need to test.

You'll naturaly make "money making" and "troop producing" towns that you specialize them into using the buildings you can place in each one, but you can only replenish troops in towns that can produce them. While I get that it's better than making new ones since you get to keep veterancy, it makes for some terrible times when you just want to replenish troops you have defending towns that can't produce troops because they are your "money making" towns.

I'm inclined to believe that every town needs a Palace strictly for this reason, but then both the Palace and Walls seem to take slots in the building limit of every town.

I've also have not tried this yet, but perhaps retiring troops in a city adds them to the local recruitment pool, so even cities that can't produce a militia normally will have someone defending them, but I'm not sure that's what ends up happening.

>>13783331

I'm a bit confused as to how the combat in this game works at all to be honest. I know about the orders you can give your armies, but they seem more like suggestions really.