d12c3b No.13751981
I guess I will make my own thread for it.
Is investing in original hardware even worth it anymore? I have more then enough money and was just curious if I should get back my old snes/dreamcast collection. I plan to get mostly the japanese versions of games and maybe a flashcart/everdrive or whatever if need be. But something deep inside kind of is really hesitant knowing I can emulate almost all of it pretty well for free. It seems the only real reason to invest or collect is if you are going to be super autistic and start "speed running" a game. I am just curious to know what anons here think and why if you do have original hardware is the reason for keeping it around.
921f7b No.13752002
Save physical space and emulate.
0a7f85 No.13752003
>>13751981
Original hardware and a CRT monitor is maximum comfy, anon. I'd advise you to get Everdrive for anything you use, and only buy the only actual cartridges your really want.
c09bae No.13752009
>>13751981
>Is investing in original hardware even worth it anymore
Depends on what you're planning to buy.
There are certain games which can only be played on original hardware or that buying the original hardware is cheaper than buying a new CPU for emulation.
Its also useful for archival purposes.
>>13752002
Speaking of emulation, anyone here with GBA hardware and the ability to record videos?
There are a bunch of relatively obscure bugs which need hardware verification here :
https://github.com/mgba-emu/mgba/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22category%3Aneeds+hw+testing%22
7ece6d No.13752010
>>13751981
>Is investing in original hardware even worth it anymore?
Depends, but more often than not, no. SNES and Dreamcast are probably far too expensive for it to be worth whatever upsides it has to emulation.
d12c3b No.13752030
>>13752009
>>13752010
>>13752002
>>13752003
I mean looking at pricing I can get a snes mini japanese version console that can play US and JAP version carts and a ever drive for like 170$ together. Is that too much? I just don't want to go look for a CRT that is fucking MASSIVE and I heard that small ones are pretty much extinct.
d12c3b No.13752038
>>13752002
Also this is a huge reason why I like emulation. It is less of a hassle and I can take it on my laptop when I travel for work.
7ece6d No.13752039
>>13752030
The games will probably cost you an arm and a leg though, considering how much scalper/collectorfag cancer is going around these days. You might as well try emulating first, and if it's too painful drop money.
c09bae No.13752043
>>13752030
SNES emulation isn't particularly lacking though.
Why do you want to spend money on a real SNES?
f26911 No.13752049
Waste of daddy's money, especially if it's an easily emulatable one like snes. I don't see how it's at all necessary with the prices in the hundreds and even thousands for the consoles and games, just emulate it you materialistic sperg.
d12c3b No.13752056
>>13752049
Woah dude, relax, keep your daddy issues to yourself.
>>13752043
>>13752039
I have recently beaten all the snes games I didn't get to play in my youth so I know exactly which ones I want and which ones I don't want. It is roughly only 20 games. That Nintendo seal of approval though right?
c09bae No.13752058
>>13752056
Whats stopping you from just emulating them?
7ece6d No.13752059
>>13752056
>so I know exactly which ones I want and which ones I don't want. It is roughly only 20 games
Well see how much the games will cost you.
d12c3b No.13752068
>>13752058
Nothing really, just curious what other anons have to say on the matter besides "emufags are niggers". It does look pretty comfy to set on up, but I assume most of it is nostalgia and placebo cocktail.
>>13752059
Yeah fair enough, it is either that or buy a modern console like a Ps3/Ps4, WiiU or Switch which doesn't sound like a good idea.
0a7f85 No.13752077
>>13752030
Dude. Modding a US console to play JP games is as easy as breaking plastic with pliers. You literally open the cart slot, grab the tabs with pliers and snap them off. With a JP unit you have to dremel out the shell since US carts are squared, not round.
9b567b No.13752079
I like original hardware because there really is nothing like playing the game on the original controller with all the original quirks of the system you remember. It brings up more nostalgia than simply playing the game with a modern controller on PC.
>>13752030
If you don't want to go with a CRT you could get a Framemeister. Upscales old consoles to 720p/1080p and makes them look emulation sharp, even better when you turn on the scanlines. Downsides are it shits it's pants when you play a game that switches resolution in game (Silent Hill on PS1 for example becomes pretty unplayable as it's menu is in 480i but gameplay is in 240p, though games that do this are rare), and it's price (don't listen to fags who complain about display lag, it introduces exactly 1 frame of lag and that shit simply isn't noticeable, anything else comes from the display it's hooked up to). It's a good way to go if you have the money and it sounds like you do, also of note is they stopped producing them in January of this year so supplies are running out, cheapest place to get them at the moment is the official international seller for it: Solaris Japan. Still in stock and still at base price last I checked, I just bought myself a backup in case anything happens to my main.
6a0a05 No.13752081
>>13752079
the games aren't supposed to be sharp my man
also why do emufags have so much trouble staying in their own thread
7ece6d No.13752084
>>13752081
I don't know, why do CRTfags have so much trouble staying in their's?
6a0a05 No.13752091
9b567b No.13752092
>>13752081
>the games aren't supposed to be sharp my man
Funny, the PVMs they were developed on made them look pretty sharp.
0a7f85 No.13752094
>>13752084
>Original Hardware thread
>OH is designed to connect to CRTs
Emufag, GTFO.
c09bae No.13752095
>>13752081
clean your screen you nigger
d12c3b No.13752097
>>13752079
>>13752081
>>13752077
>>13752084
I expected conflict to be had in this thread, but try and make it constructive. Do either of you have a PVM? My local nursing home is getting an upgrade or reno and I might be able to snag one. I want a small one though.
7ece6d No.13752098
>>13752091
you seem to.
>>13752094
OP said he doesn't give a shit about CRTs.
0a7f85 No.13752099
>>13752092
That's an Ikegami monitor grille, moron. that IS a PVM.
6a0a05 No.13752101
>>13752092
even they aren't completely sharp. pixels weren't supposed to be square on these systems.
>>13752097
I have about 14
>>13752098
do I?
0a7f85 No.13752105
>>13752097
GET ONE
If not because they're RGB capable, then because they're engineered for longevity.
b535a6 No.13752116
>>13752081
Learn how to settings you retard
e99cb1 No.13752117
90% of the reason to buy original hardware is to show it off and pretend you have taste. You won't find systems for a reasonable price anymore, and the games are insanely expensive for anything worth actually owning. Unless you're really, really committed to the idea of owning the hardware and dedicating space for it plus a CRT, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
6a0a05 No.13752119
>>13752105
also because even s-video on them blows away consumer stuff. and they're very neat and compact too.
>>13752116
I've adjusted enough pots in my time
9b567b No.13752122
>>13752097
>quotes me first
>in no way comments on or even replies to what I've said
What the fuck OP?
6a0a05 No.13752127
>>13752117
why not get a back up solution, get the superior experience of original hardware and the space saving of not having a million copies of games around?
c09bae No.13752131
>>13752127
Not every console has proper back up loading. Not to mention the natural wear and tear on those lowest bidder made disc readers.
0a7f85 No.13752137
>>13752127
The only issue on that front is the SNES. Everything else is 99% backup capable. Just get an Everdrive and whatever specific carts you want from Japan because prices over there are much lower.
9b567b No.13752142
>>13752137
SNES isn't an issue on that front, just get an SD2SNES and buy the 6 (maybe less) games worth playing that it can't run, all of which are pretty common.
b535a6 No.13752143
>>13752119
You're not trying hard enough.
6a0a05 No.13752151
>>13752131
most do, and ODEs exist for disc based systems. More and more are being developed too, even odd systems no one gives a fuck about like the jag CD are getting ODEs.
>>13752143
I've also manually adjusted yokes, more complicated than your drop down menus and sliders my man
>>13752137
snes is about as iffy as it gets, and with so few games being spotty as >>13752142 says, its not even a big hurdle.
0a7f85 No.13752172
>>13752151
If only ODEs weren't made of fucking unobtanium, or if that faggot making the Saturn/DC ones would just outsource already. FFS, having these things rare just pisses off non-scalpers.
e99cb1 No.13752174
>>13752127
Game carts/discs aren't what I was thinking of when I mentioned space. If you have three or four systems hooked up to a CRT, that takes an easy square meter of your floor space, plus or minus depending on furniture. Some people don't think it's worth rearranging their interior to accommodate, and I can't really blame them.
It's also debatable whether original hardware is a "superior experience." It's authentic, certainly, but that doesn't always mean better.
c09bae No.13752175
>>13752151
>most do, and ODEs exist for disc based systems
Not for Saturn,PS1 or Dreamcast. PS2 backup loading is iffy too. If you have a slim model you are fucked.
6a0a05 No.13752206
>>13752172
>>13752175
gdemu, rhea, phoebe, and soon, satiator. DC also has hdd ODE, SD ODE, options options options. PS2 will get there soon. Ps1 also has PSIO and $7 laser replacements so…not an issue.
>>13752174
>It's also debatable whether original hardware is a "superior experience." It's authentic, certainly, but that doesn't always mean better.
that's the debate right there. Do you value authenticity more or so you value getting a bit less slowdown more? Framerate is important, but there's a lot of pretentiousness involved in citing how important it is. Too bloated and cancerous of a topic to really discuss especially here.
c09bae No.13752266
>>13752206
>gdemu,rhea, phoebe, and soon, satiator
Good luck preordering that shit.
>DC also has hdd ODE, SD ODE
Could you name one? I never heard of this.
>$7 laser replacements so
And they perform as well as you expect. Unless you're burning top tier discs you're gonna get skipping.
d12c3b No.13752293
>>13752206
>>13752266
>>13752175
How much longer are original Ps1 and Ps2 games going to last before deterioration kicks in?
0a7f85 No.13752299
>>13752174
>square meter
Pardon me while I measure the dimensions of my PVM's rack.
>24" wide, 12" deep, PVM is 22" deep including gap for cabling.
>4 square feet for simplicity
>less than .38 meters square
C'mon now, at least learn math.
6a0a05 No.13752314
>>13752293
ps1? 70 years. ps2? 100 years. I haven't heard of any CDs except first generation ones degrading.
>>13752266
dreamshell
http://www.evolvingconsole.com/2016/09/15/dreamcast-hdd-mod/
https://fnhack.wordpress.com/
Never had any issues with the cheapo lasers from ebay and shit.
3bd22f No.13752350
>>13752003
Emulation + CRT is even better. Saves space and is way more reliable than ancient region locked hardware.
>>13752079
>you could get a Framemeister
Don't be an idiot.
>>13752092
PVM's are a meme. You can accurately emulate PVM's aperture grille for free with dozens of shaders so why pay $500 for a shitty 4" screen that requires custom cables and has busted convergance coz it's been used for 100,000 hours.
What you can't accurately emulate is a shadow mask CRT, and they look far superior.
6a0a05 No.13752359
>>13752350
I got this pretty boy and it's only got $500 hours.
6a0a05 No.13752362
e99cb1 No.13752364
>>13752206
Putting framerate aside, the only situation I could see original hardware being advantageous in is multiplayer for the sake of simplicity. And there's all manner of failures hardware is prone to, from dead save batteries and corrupt memory cards to leaking capacitors, bad cart connectors, and worn out disc drives. Emulation eliminates any concern for maintenance, ever.
>>13752299
Thanks for the input, I'm sure your game consoles look swell in your IT lab.
0a7f85 No.13752367
>>13752314
I already have discs from the SNES era with pinholes, anon. CD's lifespan was over-estimated. Here's hoping none of our systems get IC rot, though. That shit isn't like a disc whose data can be written to other media. SNES PPUs are already dying.
6a0a05 No.13752374
>>13752364
nothing that can't be fixed, it seems. These are skills that can be learned and these are repairs that are easily and cheaply made.
>>13752367
share some notable documentation or articles on failing discs. Only ones I've seen fail are 1st generation. I heard about the SNES plague, but nothing solid and afaik, causes are undocumented.
0a7f85 No.13752384
>>13752364
>IT lab
Nigger please. Don't act like these are rare.
5dae55 No.13752405
Original hardware + CRT is way more responsive than emulation. Even if you have a CRT computer monitor there are several layers of buffering from the input to the display that you can never get rid of completely.
Collecting is autism though, just buy flashcarts and don't feed the kike resellers.
6a0a05 No.13752417
>>13752384
walmarts got 'em for like 35 bucks
6a0a05 No.13752421
>>13752405
it's fun watching friends play a game on my crt and then have them tell me how good it feels when I ask them about their own home setup. A friend was even getting screwed up in smash melee because he was used to his emulators timings being off compared to my wii+crt.
46bc2b No.13752427
>>13751981
I tried to start rebuilding my old SNES collection a few years ago and deeply regret it. I was really lucky to get the actual console for free, but the only games you can find nowadays for an even remotely sensible price are either the first-party games like f-zero or whatever that were printed in huge runs, or the sports games nobody else wants. everything else has been artificially inflated to a truly insulting level and it's a fucking waste of time and money. if you insist on spending money on original hardware and want any games other than madden or wicked 18 golf or whatever, you're better off to just buy an everdrive
c09bae No.13752440
>>13752293
PS1 and PS2 libraries are well preserved apart from a select few rare titles.
The real worry is shit like Saturn or Laserdisc which had a low penetration while also being trash in terms of preservation.
0a7f85 No.13752480
>>13752350
Good luck finding a graphics card that outputs 320x240 at 15khz.
>>13752427
Anything that doesn't need language for gameplay can be gotten from Japan for much cheaper. Rockman X2 and X3 are at lost $30 compared to US versions.
6a0a05 No.13752494
>>13752480
>Good luck finding a graphics card that outputs 320x240 at 15khz.
crt emudriver is an option and you can do 320x240@120hz on a crt monitor.
83c370 No.13752536
>>13751981
If you invest in the hardware, then you'd better invest in a good CRT as well. Playing a 90s or earlier console on a digital display looks as disgusting as emulating with smoothing filters set to maximum.
9c0300 No.13752551
>>13752384
>>13752417
>putting original/useful hardware on $35 chink shit on wheels
Go back to Bangladesh.
d12c3b No.13752562
Also like a previous anon said, bringing up taboos like "latency" in original hardware vs emulation is pointless. I have done more then enough research and side by side comparisons in my early days to know it is a terrible meme that most original hardware user use as an argument. Yes, some emulators have faults but most ones have no latency if you know how hardware/software works on a PC. That being said, I will keep pondering over if I want original hardware, but so far it just seems like a novelty.
On another topic, why are speedrunners or the (((Majority))) so religious/cult like over original hardware.
5a5cf6 No.13752565
>>13752494
nigger that driver thing is old as fuck, only works on very old cards and there are like 3 or 4 better alternatives. I dont remember right now but let me check my 15khz bible
0a7f85 No.13752566
>>13752551
Because a 14" CRT isn't that terribly heavy?
6a0a05 No.13752590
>>13752565
I don't emulate so I don't keep up with that stuff. I like buttons and panels.
338686 No.13752643
Original hardware and a CRT are mandatory for the best experience.
Emuniggers have never played on original hardware so they think their glitchfest is how the game is supposed to run.
d12c3b No.13752651
>>13752643
Read the thread faggot.
5a5cf6 No.13752660
>>13752590
>I like buttons and panels.
I love CRTs but hate all aspects of using old consoles (buying, modding, maintenance, dealing with jews everywhere) the only exception being using a real N64, maybe would justify a Dreamcast or Saturn but i never liked most if not all of Sega's Libraries.
0a7f85 No.13752681
>>13752660
>buying
How hard is just buy the fucking console and a flashcart?
>modding
Git gud, faggot. Stop being a lazy nigger.
>maintenance
What, occasionally wiping contacts with a q-tip?
>dealing with jews
Flashcarts and modchips, dude.
d12c3b No.13752691
>>13752681
Dont flashcarts just emulate roms on a card?
6a0a05 No.13752702
>>13752660
I actually love modding and maintenance.
>>13752691
they "emulate" the storage. Actually, not really. They just dump and write to a readable storage for the system to access.
5a5cf6 No.13752720
>>13752702
Why does old stuff look so sexy when clean?
d12c3b No.13752724
>>13752702
You use bleach and the sun for that right?
Also, the JAP snes looks way better then that block.
JUST DONT U DARE PUT NEW LABELS ON THOSE CARTS
6a0a05 No.13752733
>>13752720
because it always looked that good. The problem is when it gets neglected. The aesthetics for these things, they aren't timeless, but they are rich in the time they were from.
>>13752724
just alcohol, a rag, a toothbrush, and sometimes a bit of magic eraser. No sunshine, just care. I don't replace labels, I actually damaged the extreme G label a little bit…
d12c3b No.13752745
>>13752733
>…
And the my thread is over. Have a nice day faggots.
5dae55 No.13752790
>>13752350
>Emulation + CRT is even better
You still have
>polling latency (most emulators poll input once per frame. if they poll too early or too late for your game, there is added latency as the emulated game receives outdated input)
>possibly unavoidable latency depending on your graphics drivers
>a choice between tearing or an additional frame of latency due to vsync
>a choice between randomly microstuttering vsync or yet another frame of latency with triple buffering
>a choice between microstutter or incorrect audio pitch & tempo because no retro console ran at a perfect 60hz or 59.97hz (this one you might be able to work around with custom display modes but I'm not sure)
>almost unavoidable microstutter because your shitty multitasking OS and aggressively throttling CPU will occasionally cause your emulator to miss a frame no matter what
I believe you can somewhat solve some of these issues with DirectFB on Linux, but if you're going to that much trouble for your emulation setup (especially purchasing an ancient GPU to use 15KHz modes on a PVM), why not go all the way to real hardware and know you're getting the perfect experience?
>>13752745
>my thread
pic related
5a5cf6 No.13752806
>>13752733
> I actually damaged the extreme G label a little bit…
I have an original Earthbound SNES cartridge among others i ve picked through time, when i was a kid, some guy sold it to me with a Donkey Kong label pasted on it, back then i had never touched an RPG, and at first i thought this guy had scammed me, little did i know…
I eventually tried removing the Donkey Kong label since it was a sin having it like that, and turns out the Original label was intact below, good times.
9c0300 No.13752946
>>13752566
What happens when you take too big a huff of jenkem and fall down?
9f3205 No.13753147
>>13751981
Until someone builds 1:1 exact copies of original hardware for each console, there's no reason not to. Even the $500 Analogue NT mini has slight audio differences despite trying to be "reference quality". If that sort of thing doesn't bother you though then why not just emulate?
6a0a05 No.13753172
>>13753147
different revisions of consoles also have different results in performance. for example not all PS2's can run all PS2 games, and even not all SNES systems run games the same way. Different revisions offer different results. The issues with the NT mini is about the same as having a genesis model 1, revision 1, and a CDX.
125861 No.13753255
>>13752009
I'm loving my Retron 5 for GBA recording. Native HDMI out works with pretty much any capture card on the market. There's a few titles that don't work, can't remember which ones specifically. I know Metal Jesus mentioned a few on one of his Retron 5 videos.
125861 No.13753267
>>13752733
>Dat Rez Special Edition in the background…
6a0a05 No.13753279
>>13753267
>not playing rez with a qt girl on your $19,000 CRT
4f207e No.13753291
>>13751981
I only own consoles that aren't very well emulated, or can't be emulated at all. It's not even all about money, it's also about space. I simply don't have enough space for that many games, and don't really want to. Big houses are pretty damn inconvenient.
Currently, I only own four consoles (probably will own at least two or three more consoles). Emulation for everything else. Just got a new CRT with component video and a really nice screen, but I still don't have the cables that I need, and I still can't hook it up to the PC for the emulators. Doing it soon, though.
efc115 No.13753341
>>13753291
>I simply don't have enough space for that many games
There exist flashcarts for even old consoles like the NES. They typically don't support every game, but it would be a good chunk of space saved.
4f207e No.13753491
>>13753341
That includes consoles. Having too much of anything is really inconvenient, and it's not like it's my only hobby.
6b589e No.13753572
>>13753491
>it's not like it's my only hobby.
Who are you trying to fool?
Masturbation isn't a hobby
4f207e No.13753737
>>13753572
>Masturbation isn't a hobby
Even if you do it for 4 to 8 hours a day and have a massive porn collection?
Shut up. It's a hobby.
6b589e No.13753784
>>13753737
Yes it isn't a hobby Captain Jackoff
i know because I do this as well, life is pain and 3 seconds of bliss every 30 minutes
4f207e No.13753833
>>13753784
It's because you can only last 30 minutes. Stop being a casual. Just don't do it for more than 6 hours in one go. Believe me, that burn will take more than a week to heal.
7df36d No.13753840
>>13752084
>he doesn't emulate on a CRT
What a fucking retard.
6b589e No.13753868
>>13753833
>Doesn't know how to read
Nigger 30 minutes is the cycle in a round of 8 hours.
I'm seriously thinking about learning Nip because I can only get it hard to obscure stuff most of it not translated.
9f3205 No.13754645
>>13753172
>the same as having a genesis model 1, revision 1, and a CDX.
The Model 1 has the best sound chip revision though. Nobody would make a CDX their main console.
Model 1: High Definition Non TMS
Model 1: TMS
Model 2: Short Mobo revision with good sound chip
everything else
I have autism don't I?
1d9b56 No.13756139
>>13754645
Exactly the point about why discrepancies with the nt mini sound shouldn't matter. If it does, use a real nes.
0a7f85 No.13756367
>>13753572
Being a /tg/ guy does kinda take up space as well. Books, man, books.
377890 No.13761948
>Prepping to softmod my PS2
>Finding the game is easy enough, if a bit expensive
>Memory cards are cheap
>The software is nowhere to be found except through shady links
>Begin to worry about trying to patch raw .iso files from emuparadise not working
Would it be easier just to buy a memory card preloaded with the software and skip all the bullshit? I've had enough.
338686 No.13762147
>>13761948
If you have an IDE hard drive and a computer with IDE ports you can just put the softmod directly into the hard drive.
21de52 No.13762174
>>13752367
The SNES only gets fucked up from capacitors going out of spec and/or leaking due to age. This happens with any electronic device using electrolytic capacitors, and it's worse on anything that uses cheap capacitors. You need to recap anything around the 20-25 year mark if you want to be certain it will last.
21de52 No.13762213
>>13752142
SD2SNES won't play super FX or SA1 chip games. Most SA1 chip games are expensive as fuck, and they include goodies like Mario RPG and Kirby Super Star. Yoshi's Island is super FX, and also fairly expensive.
I'm also not crazy about the CX4 timing it has on MMX2 and 3, the nip version of those carts is cheap, though.
SD2SNES is still worth it, best purchase I made in years.