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>>13708617

You wont see much of a difference in many games because loading times nowadays happen in the background or are faster due to the fact everything is stored uncompressed already, leave the games you play the most in the SSD and move the rest to the HDD.

Its odd that its stuttering on the HDD. Move most of the games to the HDD; SSDs mainly help with loading times and open-world games

sage because this wasn't worth a whole thread

remove games that you don't play. Play games, finish them, uninstall.

SSD are a meme.

>>13708645

I don't know if it was just the HDD making it stutter, I went down a list of things to change to make it run smoothly, and one of the things was to play it off of the SSD.

>>13708664

Not if you're playing games that have long ass loading times like STALKER.

>>13708735

OP still

so which types of games should I be moving to the HDD? I just moved Cities Skylines and Master of Orion.

>>13708664

>SSD are a meme.

My OS is on M.2 key and I like it that way, dumbass.

The fuck does that have to do with memory?

you already borked your SSD, mate. 50% or less programs + OS at any given time for optimal performance. The general setup is correct, but you can't install everything at once on the SSD. unless you just have money to burn on more SSDs

>>13708617

congrats you killed your SSD

>Putting all your games on the SSD

A lot of games don't even benefit from being put on an SSD, and doing so is just a waste of SSD space. I keep most of my games on my HDD and only put games on my SSD when it seems like they'd benefit (and even then I'll move them over to the HDD or just outright delete them once I'm done to free up more room). I'm not sure about Wii U games, but generally emulators and their games might as well stick to a HDD (they rarely benefit from the increased speeds, and I personally have all my emulators on the HDD including Cemu, and I've had no issues).

Generally if it's a game which spends a lot of time loading assets (e.g. MMOs with their multitude of loading screens, open-world games with their 'invisible' loading screens, etc.) it belongs on an SSD, otherwise it's probably just a waste of space keeping it on the SSD. Though a 1TB HDD isn't going to hold a lot either.

BotW stuttering sounds more like an issue with Cemu's shader cache (that is, the emulator is building the cache as you go, causing the stuttering). If you can find and download an up-to-date shader cache you'll probably get rid of that problem. I've not really had stuttering issues on my setup and as mentioned I have Cemu on my HDD.

>>13709635

Emulators need the disc image on at least a 7200rpm drive, otherwise it will stutter or slowdown. 5400rpm just isn't enough.

>>13709571

Solid State Drive. It doesn't use a disk like a Hard Disk Drive does. They are faster but have less memory for the same price.

>>13709902

You're kidding me.

You don't want to completely fill the SSD like that, it causes the flash memory to wear out faster, same with needlessly writing to it. That's why people say you should only install your OS and shit you use daily like your browser.

OS - SSD

Games and your random other shit - HDD

>>13710004

What's the fucking point of an SSD if it wears out?

>>13710020

what's the point of a hard drive if they fail?

>>13710020

Literally everything wears out anon

But yeah its pretty bad that SSDs wear out faster than they should.

The main thing they're used for is helping your computer boot up super quickly, and if you're only using it for that and a few small applications like certain games that don't take up more than half its space, its good for that

>>13710020

They're not as fragile since there's no moving parts and they're a lot faster. Modern SSDs will last longer than a mechanical drive unless you're writing to it constantly.

I got a HDD for storage and now my shutdown times are 30 seconds. What do? I fucking hate hard drives.

>>13710036

Windows is probably waiting for a process running from the mechanical drive to end. See if you can find out what it is.

>>13710047

Shit, wouldn't have the slightest clue what service or process is running.

>>13710004

>>13710029

Truthfully I'm not concerned with wear and tear. Shits not supposed to last forever. My first Intel SSD I bought 4 years ago is still running strong and I'm not sure if the smart details on the toolbox is reading it wrong, but it says it has 100% life left. I've used and abused it filling it up with stuff until there's been 1gb left sometimes, still as fast as the day I got it. Shit's magic.

>>13710059

>No one needs more than 1 TB

>in the age of 16 MB webMs

get outta here anon

>>13709990

It's from experience. I used to keep my images on the storage drives, but I started getting slowdowns once I hit PS2 era games. Now I copy images I plan to use to my one 7200rpm drive that I happened to have. I also record footage to that drive.

>>13710020

I've had mine since 2013 and it's still going. Don't listen to the read/write scary talk.

>>13710059

>No one needs more than 1TB, you just can't handle not stuffing everything you get your hands on into your drive.

And what do I do about archiving my games that I buy so I can actually attempt to keep them?

>>13710059

>digital hoarder

>digital

Kill yourself kike.

>>13710599

Ok, I bought a 1TB SSD that just came in the mail since posting the OP. I had forgotten that I ordered it.

Is there any point in having an SSD beside the OS?

What should I put on the SSD?

I have a 500 GB external that I use for linux distro and all my memes.

>>13710641

>I was told that OS and games should go on the SSD

Whoever told you that is a retard. Your operating system and files you will use very often go on the SSD. Everything else goes on the hdd. This is because by having the OS and common files on the SSD it speeds up your overall usage of the computer because the ssd is faster. Ask yourself, do you really need that one game you played two years ago on the ssd when you will never play it again?

T./tech/

>>13708617

>Memory

>>13709950

>memory

No thats mass storage. The stuff refer people refer to as DDR DRAM is your memory.

>>13708664

>SSD are a meme.

You are a fucking idiot,

>>13708617

> I was told that OS and games should go on the SSD, and stuff like downloaded movies and music, and all other BS should go on the HDD.

Yes

> Should I move some games to the HDD?

Yes thats fine

> BoTW stuttered badly when it was in the HDD.

Odd. Not expected but you will have to figure this out yourself

> Should I buy another SSD?

Yes. I run a 1TB SSD so I keep most things on it.

> And will it matter if games are installed on a different drive than Windows?

Nope.

>>13710641

>What should I put on the SSD?

Everything. You won't run out of space as long as you aren't hoarding. I do game development and have 250GiB in art assets alone on mine along with all sorts of other things and still have plenty of space. There's no justification for spinning rust in 2017.

>>13710674

<There's no justification for spinning rust in 2017.

>what is security

>what is SSD's being backdoored in the firmware

>what is you have to power on a ssd every few years or the data corrupts

But otherwise you are correct.

>250GiB in art assets

So porn?

how much of a meme are m.2 ssds?

>>13710691

I'm using one in another computer

It looks like and behaves like an SSD while in a tiny package

I like them

>>13710678

>what is security

Indeed, what is security? Let's talk about that. The way SSD wear-leveling works allows for zero cost full disk encryption. Drives supporting the eDrive standard allow the OS to do key management in a way that keeps the key secure and keeps the drive from being able to choose bad keying material. Combined with a TPM chip and KVM it will stop anyone short of the NSA, even on a computer rooted by Russian hackers. It's way more secure than some poorly supported and slow fork of truecrypt in software with your key left accessible to anyone.

>what is SSD's being backdoored in the firmware

The processor is backdoored. Worrying about peripherals being backdoored is pointless at this point. Your Jewtel i7 is likely listening for patterns of instructions that resemble compiled AES implementations and remembering some of the bits passing through them. Everything is compromised.

>what is you have to power on a ssd every few years or the data corrupts

Why the fuck would you buy a drive just to leave it unplugged for several years? Are you retarded, anon?

>So porn?

There is no reason to save porn to a local drive today unless your porn is illegal. It's just another symptom of hoarding. Are you worried the internet will run out of sluts?

>>13710691

The performance is great but the cooling is a disaster. You can stick your own heatsinks onto the chips, though.

>>13710689

now, why not run Linux in a VM, and use windows as the host machine? That's what I'm doing.

>>13710700

>Why the fuck would you buy a drive just to leave it unplugged for several years?

People have started using spindle drives as long term storage as well. Seems insane to me.

>>13710703

>cooling is a disaster.

Hmm I haven't noticed but I'm running off SATA and not PCIE

>>13710712

>But what's better? Two 2tb hard drives or one 4tb hard drive?

I would go with a single drive. You are going to get speed limited by the SATA controller anyway. If you got the PCIE route then maybe? In the long run I prefer continuous space in my games machine for simplicity and only look at RAID for servers.

>>13710736

>M-disc

Now this is interesting. Aren't they pretty small in terms of capacity per disc though?

>>13710712

Two 2TB drives because the pci-e bus or USB bus you attach it too won't be the bottle neck. It will be the cable going to the drive being bottlenecked and writecaching depending on your OS. Plus with two different drives if one fails the other is still usable.

>>13710700

>The way SSD wear-leveling works allows for zero cost full disk encryption.

Which is useless when the encryption key for said encryption is pre-determined at the factory on the ssd firmware which will or can be hacked. If you go with software encryption instead of letting the (((firmware))) of the SSD handle it then you aren't zero-cost anymore.

<The processor is backdoored.

>he's using a botnetted intel cpu or amd cpu

>what is me_cleaner

>what is pre-2007 proccessors

Those are good enough to avoid telemetry.

>Why the fuck would you buy a drive just to leave it unplugged for several years?

Archiving or backups. Don't you backup your data?

>There is no reason to save porn to a local drive today

If you view the same porn often then saving it offline reduces the data you pay for if you have to pay per GB or some stupid shit like that.

>unless your porn is illegal.

Why are you saving 250GiB of illegal porn? Delete it you sick fuck.

>500gb ssd

What a retard.

Unless you're playing all 20 games all the time, you can make a backup in steam and transfer all of those to HDD then uninstall what you're not playing.

>>13710717

Because when windows get's hacked your linux VM is useless. Windows is laughably easy to hack. Also using windows filesystems instead of linux based filesystems is much much slower. If you use ext4 or XFS you already just got 2.5x the disk speed on a regular HDD over window's NTFS shit.

>>13710736

>m-disc/bluray

Is there a fully open source way to read and write blue ray disks yet? if not then stick to HDD's

>>13710777

Come to think of it, you could uninstall anything you're not playing and download it again from Steam for free. I don't think there's a limit on the number of times you can do this.

>>13710672

"A solid-state drive (SSD)[1][2][3] is a solid-state storage device that uses integrated circuit assemblies as memory to store data persistently"

If you're going to be autistic and correct others, at least try to be correct

>>13710779

my current setup is Windows 10 host machine for gaming because that's what I built this thing for.

Linux in VM with a vpn for doing anything on the web.

Windows is online, but the only internet applications I use on it are games, steam, and origin.

>>13710805

There's FOSS firmware for HDD's you faggot. Now care to list FOSS firmware or even the ability to write to blu rays and not use windows? You can use normal CD-DVD drives just fine. But not blu-ray drives as far as I know.

>>13710803

OK fuckwit.

Does the CPU pull data from the DRAM to its cache to its registers and vice versa?

Or from the mass storage to the cache to its registers and vice versa?

Memory in a computer has a very specific job and confusing the terminology confuses everyone. If you are an ignorant cunt about the innards of a computer you should shut the fuck up.

>>13710812

Is there something you have that won't run in wine? From the sounds of it, no. Try looking up your games in wine and you should be able to just switch over to linux full-time at this point unless you are playing something like windows-store only games or DX12 only games.

>>13710838

>Persistent memory isn't memory because memory is actually random access memory

>Cars aren't automobiles because cars are trucks

>I'm just trying to make things less confusing

>why the fuck are peple being mean to me :(

>>13710841

That wooshing sound is the point going over your head.

>Cars aren't automobiles because cars are trucks

lul wut. What is False Equivalence?

>why the fuck are peple being mean to me :(

Because you are saying stupid shit in a place where you can be called a stupid shit for saying stupid shit.

>>13710834

>There's FOSS firmware for HDD's you faggot.

Jesus Christ, sounds like an absolute nightmare if you ask me. You thought getting a FOSS BIOS replacement for your specific motherboard was bad? Oh fucking boy! Now we have HDD firmware shenanigans!

Blu-Ray is a disc, the disc itself is, for all intents and purposes, FOSS, there is no firmware on the disc itself. At most you'll find a burst cutting area but that's it. I imagine finding FOSS firmware for optical drives themselves are about as possible as well…finding some for your HDD

And I commend people for wanting to protect their privacy, don't get me wrong. But there's a fine line between keeping your shit secure and pure autism

>keeping your shit secure

Using open source software. Safe browsing habits, Tor, Encryption.etc

>Autism

Worrying about the fucking firmware on an optical drive.

>>13710840

Wine doesn't work for all games. I've tried that setup before, and yeah, it's more of a pain in the ass than just running windows as my main OS.

I do everything else in linux though.

>>13710851

>lul wut. What is False Equivalence?

Memory is the general group

Persistent memory is a subset of that group

Random access memory is a separate subset, generally with no overlap

Automobile is the general group

Car is a subset of that group

Truck is another subset of the group, generally with no overlap

You are saying that subgroup A is not the general group because the general group is subgroup B. I'm swapping out the subgroup and general group.

You'll have to google what a false equivalence is here, because I haven't made one. You debate like a gun control advocate. Your next line is >muh ad homenem

>>13710855

>Autism : Worrying about the fucking firmware on an optical drive.

This. http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/thompson/trust.html

>>13710930

Nope I'm saying the architecture of the machine uses the device known as Memory in the particular and defined way and mass storage is simply mass storage.

Since a spindle drive and NAND flash are used very different from DRAM and are actually dissimilar in many ways I'm saying you are a fuckwit that doesn't understand computers and splitting non-existent hairs and arguing the toss is not an argument.

>>13708735

>Not if you're playing games that have long ass loading times like STALKER

What?

>>13711455

>Swap memory

MEMORY IS RAM AND ALL OTHER KINDS OF MEMORY ARE NOT MEMORY REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>13710760

>or some stupid shit like that

How about the fact that there are tons of porn that get lost eventually because sites get taken down and stuff gets DMCAed?

>>13711464

I m pretty sure a lot of the people complaining about HDD being slow just use 5400rpm ones. I can load my saves in a few seconds.

>>13710059

>No one needs more than 1TB

My NAS has 10TB. It's like you don't love bits or something you heartless bastard. Do you even have local mirrors of your favorite sites? If not: GTFO!

>>13711455

You mean linux swap? Unless you have less than 8gb of ram it's fine but you will need 2 - 4 gb at most, if you have 8gb+ RAM don't even bother ve never seen linux use swap space for anything.

>>13710892

I' m really digging the new consumer Optane drives, but i don't have a Skylake cpu

>>13710035

>SSDs will last longer than a mechanical drive unless you're writing to it constantly.

"It'll last a lot longer if you never use it!"

Great.

>>13711705

you have to learn to let go and move on

>>13711713

He means unless you wear the drive by writing gigabytes of data 24/7, a cheap HDD would probably die faster than any SSD from all the mechanical parts wearing out and it only takes 1 to fail to shit the entire drive.

>>13711723

i learnt better: to backup my important data regularly

>>13711687

I was mocking the other fella, champ

>>13710004

>>13710020

>>13710029

>>13710035

Modern SDDs can handle petabytes of data rewrites; in short, you will never reach their limit in your lifetime. People claiming they have any meaningful limit only paid attention to early SSDs and didn't see how long modern ones last.

At this point there's no real reason to use an HDD unless you're a poorfag.

>>13710036

>>13710068

try turning off indexing on the hdd, that's probably what's taking so long

Just put games you play frequently on SSD and those which you finished/don't play so often put on HDD. It's not a rocket science. Also turn off system restore if you don't use it.

>>13712095

What about SLC MLC and TLC?

>>13708617

>I was told that OS and games should go on the SSD, and stuff like downloaded movies and music, and all other BS should go on the HDD.

I did that, and after buying like 20 games and downloading Breath of the Wild to the SSD, I have only 19GB left on it.

Say no more, i'm here to help. I've been shuffling data around hardrive since vista.

>Should I move some games to the HDD? BoTW stuttered badly when it was in the HDD.

So in a non-upgrade situation absolutely. The objective is for the best playing experience, which SSD will provide, but depending on the game, it might not be improve that much or at all. For instance, i'm currently playing Shadow of War which is 100GB, and it loads just fine on a HDD. If the games use steam, there is a "Move install folder" in Properties > local files

I don't know how well it works but it's there. You could also manually move the folders. For either option, i would make sure you install something to that drive first so steam has a install folder already. I don't exactly trust in valves quality control for the steam client.

>Should I buy another SSD?

There is obvious the desire to purchase something over need. It sounds like you still have space on your second drive, and if you can just move the games over, that makes the most sense. But if you want the speed your SSD provides, then you'll have to buy another one, or you could just swap out games. Basically, get a external drive, and move all the games you currently don't want to play, into that. Then when you want to play them again, just move them back on to the SSD. Assuming you go a good brand name SSD, rewrites wont be a problem. Those things are quite literally designed to run constantly for years (10)

>And will it matter if games are installed on a different drive than Windows?

Nope! I got 4 drives on my computer.

>Linux OS [HDD, 500GB, 5400RPM]

>Win OS [HDD, 1TB, 7200RPM]

>Everything [HDD, 1TB, 7200RPM]

>Gaming [SSD, 120GB]

I put the majority of my games on the Everything or Gaming drives. This of course not including what i have installed with linux. You're likely to only have problems the further back in the windows life span you go. You're likely good anything including and after DirectX 9 but that's a guess.

>Or is there another option to this that I'm not seeing?

As already stated, external drive.

>>13709540

>50%

Huh? I heard the magic number was 10% should be kept free. I didn't comment because i don't know where these numbers come from. 50% sounds unrealistic. Citation mother fucker!

>>13710020

>What's the fucking point of an SSD if it wears out?

Really? What's the point of saves on cartages if the battery runs out. What the point of spinning disks hardrives if they wear out? What the point a low energy cost hardrive that's quick than traditional harddrive if it wears from excessive writes!

>>13710641

>Is there any point in having an SSD beside the OS?

Quicker load times, or afters writes to disk. If you copy a lot of files, even small files, it will be much quicker. Honestly, there isn't much advantage compared to a hdd, but it's still a nice upgrade.

>>13710685

>Just how few games do you have to only need 1.5 TB of storage?

He said he bought 20 games and made the computer a few months ago.

>have a 240gb ssd in my computer

>750gb hdd in my server

>they're both half empty

You people have brain problems.

>>13714966

>those regular, uniform file sizes

Console restrictions are a hell of a thing.

>>13717286

This really.

What do I want to play tonight? PUBG, Metroid, Civ 5, or Saints Row IV.

>>13717259

Well I bought another SSD. 1TB. Completely forgot about it. Having money to spend and forget is nice.

>>13710700

>There is no reason to save porn to a local drive today unless your porn is illegal. It's just another symptom of hoarding. Are you worried the internet will run out of sluts?

Im saving all my japanese vanilla lewd comics and a lot of images, the internet will die someday or that image will cease to exist, faggot.