f63acb No.13694190
A trope I've never been able to accept in video games is characters that have swords that magically rest/hover on their backs, defying gravity. Nobody talks about this, so I assume just nobody notices. What the fuck is up with this shit? Every game that does it makes it that much harder for me to get immersed.
349936 No.13694204
1aafe9 No.13694208
>>13694190
It's inefficient, but I like it.
05dd13 No.13694218
They're supposed to be in a scabbard of some sort on the back, but everyone's too lazy to actually make one for each sword.
>>13694190
>2nd pic
Fucking hell
d28f97 No.13694231
>>13694190
Have another pic to your collection.
How is that done in Skyrim as well? I have no idea.
f9ff86 No.13694240
question is: which games don't do that gay shit
f63acb No.13694241
>>13694204
Magnets? So like, magnets that stick a heavy sword to a back but can effortlessly be pulled from one's back? Maybe if you run a current through the magnet. But I don't see main characters turning on and off a current. And last I checked, electricity doesn't exist in Dark Souls, WoW, and countless other fantasy games that do this bullshit. You're explanation is stupid and so are you.
3a2626 No.13694242
>>13694190
Doesn't cloud have some big ass magnet on his back which holds the sword?
d28f97 No.13694244
>>13694231
Ah, and Nier Automata has the same problem. Maybe it's explained away in the game somehow, I don't know.
05dd13 No.13694247
>>13694241
So… this is… the power… of autism.
646a5c No.13694248
>>13694244
Of all the games that do this shit you pick nier automata, wew. You can easily tell even from just seeing a few screenshots, christ.
f82b50 No.13694250
That’s not a trope. That’s laziness by the devs.
f63acb No.13694259
>>13694242
This was going to be the case when Cloud was first designed, but it's not actually canon.
>>13694247
Just because someone points out a dumb thing you said doesn't mean they're autistic. It means you're stupid and/or they are smarter than you.
>>13694250
Why does no one talk about it, though??? Other lazy shit gets called out.
d26c4d No.13694260
>>13694190
>Determined and upbeat with big pecks and wide shoulders chad Cloud vs sickly and depressed virgin Cloud
Fuck that gayass waifu fag.
40d84a No.13694263
>>13694241
>Dark souls
Souls in the weapon cause it to gravitate towards the bearer of the darkside, holding the weapon in place
>WoW
Corruption
>countless other fantasy games
Magic Magnets
d26c4d No.13694264
>>13694190
Also, Cloud has a magnet.
85862f No.13694275
Because it looks cool when you look at your character from the back.
Additionally with retardedly big swords like Guts/Cloud/etc. it's simply not logical to carry it at waist level. It would drag all over the ground. For what little realism there is in GIGANTIC swords, this is the one thing they get right and you shouldn't bash them for it.
Gigantic weapons couldn't be carried anywhere else but on the back.
044f7e No.13694283
>>13694190
I assumed the hole in Cloud's sword was so it could go onto some kind of hook.
f63acb No.13694285
>>13694263
>>13694264
Yeah… guess that autism comment you made was just projection. Holy shit.
f63acb No.13694295
>>13694275
Could have a strap on them and carry them like a back pack. Or just hold them.
1e2049 No.13694304
>>13694190
It can work, if you have a small hook which the crossguard rests on, so you just need to lift it out instead of drawing it the whole way. Dante probably has some kind of system like this, since his coat in three has the belts for it.
I think the Witcher 1 has Geralt pulling it out so fast the sword flips in the air and then he grabs it, but you need to mod in sheaths.
85862f No.13694320
>>13694295
That is the general idea. In FF7 graphics couldn't go into enough details to show that. Your model was pretty low quality.
I have no diea why more modern gaes don't cover this properly. Especially ones like the witcher.
>just hold them
Even vidya doesn't go that far in bullshitery.
349936 No.13694323
>idiot doesn't know about ids
>calls others stupid
>posts family guy and jennifer lawrence
REDDIT
1e2049 No.13694327
>>13694304
Some of Guts' sheaths are retarded, but the these ones work. A cup/mini-sheath at the bottom for the tip of the sword along with a small hook/clip for the top. Or as with the Dragonslayer, it has a small ring on it which should have a hook for it on Guts' back where he can hang it and easily lift it up.
83f9ed No.13694342
Nioh does this well most of the time. When you have either a katana or pair of katanas equipped, they add sheaths to William's sides, and when you press R1+circle William puts them back into their sheaths (in addition to flicking blood off of the blade if you've been in a fight). Similarly, if you do the same thing with a kusarigama, he folds it and hangs it on his hip. Unfortunately though, if you have an axe or spear equipped and "sheath" it, he just puts it on his back.
The DLCs add new weapon types, but I don't have any of them, so I don't know if they also have dedicated sheaths like the katanas, dual katanas and kusarigama do.
>>13694244
Nier Automata's an example of doing it well, though. They're suspended in the air behind your character by magical ring things.
7feb06 No.13694351
>>13694323
Family guy is video game related.
fa1ddb No.13694367
>>13694342
Skyrim of all games at least had proper sheaths for axes and maces, one-handed at least. The two-handed ones looked absolutely retarded.
1e2049 No.13694382
>>13694367
One-handed weapons for the most part were pretty a-ok. Quivers for arrows and two-handed weapons were retarded, though.
4939d3 No.13694410
>>13694275
Zweihanders were worn at the waist.
d26c4d No.13694422
>>13694285
What the fuck are you talking about? Why are you posting imgur garbage?
1ee2b1 No.13694476
>>13694410
>>13694275
You wouldn't care fuck-huge weapons in sheathes on your body - you'd get some other retard to carry that shit for you, or strap it on your horse and take it with you when you were heading somewhere.
It's like how you go into town with a handgun under your concealed carry, but don't just casually walk around the town with your Mk48.
75ec29 No.13694501
Yeah hate that shit.
It's fucking lazy and stupid.
Not only nobody ever wore anything larger than a dagger on their backs ever, but apparently devs make it this way because putting weapon properly on a hip requires more additional work, as weapon has to move accordingly when character runs to avoid clipping, and if game loves its shitty fuck huge anime dildoes, putting one on hip will result in it clipping through the ground all the fucking time.
I'm triggered the most when game mixes proper weapon sheathing and retarded one, for example Dark Souls or Nioh.
Some shit you wear on hip and some on back? What?
Fuck off!
91e27c No.13694504
>>13694410
>wearing what is basically a pole-arm in the form of a sword
You CARRY a Zweihander. The fucking thing is as tall as you if not longer. Unless you've got fucking Lanky Kong arms that are as long as you are tall you aren't drawing that thing from the hip, the waist, the back or anywhere else. You put the sheath down, you pull it out, you get in fucking formation. It's a battlefield weapon, not a sidearm. What you're suggesting is similar to attempting to conceal carry a fucking recoil-less rifle in modern term.
3235a3 No.13694526
>>13694304
>>13694190
Nah, it looks cool. You forget most characters that carry shit on the back have magical powers, its a video game logic.
4c35f8 No.13694536
>>13694504
>he doesn't holster his rocket launchers by his waist
psh
kiddo
063013 No.13694537
>>13694410
Zweihanders were just a meme weapon that wasn't really good for much anyway.
It looks cool but is more useful in anime than real life.
16aa1a No.13694544
Yeah I always just assumed it was magic
a9b534 No.13694563
>>13694263
>>WoW
>Corruption
my fucking sides
91e27c No.13694579
>>13694537
For the most part, yes. They did find popularity among Swiss mercs in the the 16th century as a tool to bust through pike formations(although how truly effective it was at that we can only guess) but by the end of the century the weapon was purely a status symbol and/or for ceremonial purposes.
f3fa91 No.13694809
It's too hard to model, animate and render proper scabbards without clipping and z-fighting. Really the only reason.
b61b3b No.13694882
>>13694809
This. Weapons on the back are the most effective to avoid these issues, but they still persist. Weapons on the waist very easily clip through bulkier armours, your own characters arms while running and even have physics go nuts. Playing Witcher 1 right now and my secondary sword on my waist can do a full 360 degree swing if I move back and forth suddenly.
269ac2 No.13695030
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>>13694537
>>13694537
The thing is designed to keep in constant movement to kill and scare away as much enemies you can as long as it is possible not so much to combat as if it were a longsword though it is still capable of such use but not as effectively, its status comes from being a weapon for the outnumbered, commonly found among the spaniards of the reconquista and later in the hands of bodyguards and mercenaries facing large groups of people to protect something/someone or accomplish dangerous missions, it's pretty much a spear with dismembering power with some tints of heroism.
269ac2 No.13695049
>>13695030
and before some spear retard points out that larger spears can also dismember, you can't swing a spear like a montante not parry with it like a sword, fuck off
23d8ff No.13695067
>>13694190
I prefer flying swords than ones that disappear when holstered, i hated Darksouls for that, they even give you the scabbard, but the sword just disappear anyway.
f5ab62 No.13695099
>>13694476
Hilariously, this is how the Nips did it with their Long Odachis. One carried it and held it while the other drew the sword. Vidya and Mango don't show this because nobody ants to program or draw some servant that carries the big fuck-off sword for the protag.
3235a3 No.13695121
>>13695099
Can't compensate muh smol dick when you mention the partner helping you, anon.
3235a3 No.13695132
Also in fiction odachi is absolute tips fedora weapon.
d77ef8 No.13695137
>>13694241
Yes dumbass, it would not take a lot of force to have something STICK and not just drop from gravity compared to pulling it.
5a2c0c No.13695143
>>13695099
You could always have a servant demon unsheath it.
58a62a No.13695181
>>13694241
>no electricity in WoW
>He doesn't know the glory of saving the party with goblin jumper cables in the middle of a full LBRS clear
Pleb.
99adc4 No.13695241
>>13694351
It's also edgy, pretentious shit that's only rarely decent.
58a62a No.13695359
>>13695226
>not having enough gadgets to cover for the inadequacies of the retards you will inevitably group with
>not knowing that properly gemmed goggles were superior to tiered gear for Warlocks clear to WOTLK
I miss it sometimes.
c3dba5 No.13695493
is nobody in this thread aware that it's physically impossible to draw a sword from a scabbard on your back?
Forget them just "floating there" it doesnt even make sense if they're attached.
269ac2 No.13695509
626814 No.13695575
>>13694304
Well for Dante at least this is how I see things.
In DMC 4 if you look at the description for Rebellion it says it's "the physical manifestation of Dante’s power"
So that plus the fact Dante is possibly the most powerful entity in DMC universe. I was under the interpretation it stay on his back through his own will. There are a ton of Demonic/Magic powers and abilities in Devil May Cry that have minimal explanations.
Dante has been using the Move Round Trip since DMC1 where he throws a Sword like a boomerang then it homes in on enemies and comes back to him as if controlled though some kind of telekinesis like power. Dante focuses his energy into his weapons they glow and pulse with electricity and you kind of just go with what ever he does with them since he's Dante.
99adc4 No.13695593
I've never seen a protagonist effortlessly dual wielding giant sharp slabs, let alone reverse grip for maximum tryhard.
99adc4 No.13695599
>>13695575
I swear I've literally heard it click back onto some invisible latch in some cutscenes.
626814 No.13695625
>>13695599
Your not wrong. It does click in DMC1 When he gets Alastor.
9be860 No.13695664
>>13694190
>1st pic
Always hated how stupid that looked, it should be upside down.
7f4621 No.13695893
>>13694342
And it sort of splits the difference with Odachi. It has a sheath but it sticks to you back. Although I'm not really certain how Odachi were worn in real life.
109196 No.13695906
218137 No.13695921
>>13694190
>Every game that does it makes it that much harder for me to get immersed
>posts games with literal magic
You are autistic.
You probably saw some youtube video of some european fuck calling it unrealistic and now you want to look enlightened despite it being literally inconsequential.
7f4621 No.13695940
>>13695099
>>13695121
Ah now I see. Now I'm sort of disappointed that Nioh doesn't give you an NPC retainer to carry your Odachi and other heavy weapons around. One of those little hitotsume-kozo like what Fuku has as a familiar would have been great.
878d3b No.13696057
>>13695893
Just consulting the wiki article, shorter odachi of reasonable greatsword length can be worn at the back or waist; the latter is the more practical method. The ultra long ones that're as big or bigger than parade zweihanders weren't worn so much as carried, and who can say if they were ever really wielded rather than being pure ornaments. Then again, seven foot tall Pier Gerlofs Donia wielded a zweihander 84 inches long with a weight of 14 and a half pounds, so who can say if some nip madman didn't wield a horse killer sword to some good effect in battle?
753a8d No.13696104
>>13695099
WTF would you even do with a long Odachi?
Jesus Christ
Big swords = Small penis
063013 No.13696109
>>13696104
you use those to cut horses up i think
878d3b No.13696116
>>13696104
Chop dudes in half and/or deleg & decapitate horses and terrify entire pike blocs by whirling around inside of them like a very slow blender in Doppelsoldneresque fashion?
815531 No.13696163
>>13696116
>any of those things ever happening
Only in animes, pal
a41e26 No.13696171
994bfa No.13696179
>>13694244
This is like the one thing in that shitty game that is done right. It just contributes to a floaty, feedback-less combat, but it does provide an explanation at least.
878d3b No.13696316
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>>13696163
>Only in animes, pal
Observe and consider the intentionally slow motion in what amounts to demonstrative play-fighting where you're trying not to maim anyone or hack up their faces, and also the context of facing six competent swordsmen from all angles. Defensive whirling was a thing during the brief renaissance-era reign of the greatsword and is physically practicable; against such opponents as pikemen who've been closed against by shock troops and who haven't had the time to draw sidearms to try and repulse them, offensive whirling against the poor sardine can-packed bastards is also viable.
Hacking horses to pieces using their own momentum against them (or attacking them after they've been choked up amongst infantry after a less than successful charge) is also quite reasonable, just perhaps not as a efficient in mass combat as warding them off with a large pointy-hooky stick of some variety or another. Hacking men into little chunks is comparatively trivial, although you may not be likely to use the broad motions necessary as opposed to halfswording & sticking them with the pointy end like a rich man's pseudo-polearm or using an otherwise more reserved motion to hack or slash a nice gouge in them rather than splitting them apart.
f35d99 No.13696476
>>13694190
Because video games run on cartoon logic and no one cares about the logic of cartoons.
>>13694537
>>13694579
Considering that landsknechts who used zweihanders were payed twice as much as regular landsknechts, they probably were very useful, and thus in high demand, for a period of time.
>>13695030
This. Guys who used them were usually placed in less open areas, such as bridges or on the sides of pike formations, as barriers. Places where it was difficult to get passed without getting hit by the thing.
aac21a No.13700997
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>>13694190
Using a scythe as a weapon is far worse than any sword-on-back trope. Vid related in case you've ever wondered how this tool is used.
956871 No.13701106
>>13700997
War scythe is no worse than any other improvised weapon. Slight modification and you got a polearm.
328460 No.13701116
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>>13695593
>I've never seen a protagonist effortlessly dual wielding giant sharp slabs
Poor innocent soul
c25f03 No.13701135
>>13701106
>>13700997
Scythe as a weapon is not an unrealistic concept. Although i would like to see more variation of that weapon type.
bf89fc No.13701256
>>13701135
However, to make scythes useful for as a weapon (like in third pic) what you're doing is actually turning it into a more standard polearm (cutting face parallel to handle) rather than the original implement (cutting face perpendicular). In terms of kamas (first pic), they were directly improvised from farming implements (since Japan actually had periods where it was illegal for commoners to own weapons), and the second pic is from Opus Amplissimum de Arte Athletica, which covers everything from unarmed combat to fighting with sickles, daggers, clubs, as well as actual battlefield weapons. Scythes are "better than nothing" as far as weapons go, but only that.
80d242 No.13702545
the changes are stupid as fuck
9e2693 No.13704261
>>13696104
>What would you even do with a long Odachi
Unleash impossible to dodge slashes powered by quantum magic.
b0a15c No.13704594
>>13694190
The funny things is that they were never worn like that.
Single-handed weapons were worn and the hip and two-handed were kept in the hand or rested against the shoulder.
>>13694537
FAjt me, faggit!
d8b596 No.13704609
>Nobody talks about this, so I assume just nobody notices.
No, they just don't care, because it's a video-game, stop being autistic.
aac21a No.13705505
>>13701135
A sickle is not a scythe and should not be conflated with one. Sickles are simple and consequently more versatile tools, but a scythe is a an extremely specific instrument made for cutting grain at foot-level.
044f7e No.13705616
>>13696163
>everything i don't get is anime
Are you retarded? They and zweihanders both existed for a reason.
044214 No.13709522
>>13694190
It makes more sense than sheaths on the back since you can assume that maybe theres some strap or magnetic thing keeping the bare sword on the back, but with a sheath you wouldn't actually be able to slide it in while its on your back.
ed07d7 No.13709563
Actually some weapons in the first Dark souls and in Dark souls iii have sheats like the bastard sword
041394 No.13709827
>>13694327
I thought the chain link on the dragon slayer hung on hook on his back?
0951b8 No.13709864
>>13694323
>Carl's Jr. - FUCK YOU, I'M EATING
f6ae59 No.13709928
>>13695099
>>13695121
>>13695132
In what fucking situation could those swords even be useful?
646a5c No.13709934
>>13709928
When you need to teleport behind someone but it's nothing personal.
d65773 No.13710018
>>13696376
What is this one based off of?
99adc4 No.13710063
>>13701116
So why wouldn't I want to play Dark Souls III?
a07b5a No.13710065
>>13709928
Executions and parades. Japs rarely ever used their swords in proper combat, resorting to pole weapons, bows, and later the matchlock. I assume the largest ones were commissioned solely to test the smith's skill, patience and devotion.
59998c No.13710340