/v/ - Video Games

>>13678957

>/g/

It's /tech/ now grandpa.

>>13679005

noice. have also considered ryzen?

>>13679044

*have you

GTX 1080 Ti or AMD VEGA RX 64

I finally managed to get a job. Is there any significant releases/possible price drops I should wait for before starting to build a PC?

>>13679071

Why do you have such shitty RAM to go with what is a great computer? On top of only having half of what you should have that MHz is pitiful

>>13679125

To be honest I've been meaning to get more RAM but I keep on forgetting. I'll probably pick something up this Christmas.

>>13679137

Anything above 1000 mhz is pretty good

>>13679163

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

These guys are normally pretty good, you can change it up if you want but for CPU / GPU they scale them well for the budget.

>/g/

found the newfag

>>13679125

That's DDR3-1600. It's pretty standard. Is this the first time you've seen a Speccy screenshot?

>>13679196

Thanks anon, honestly I don't know shit about computers so I'm probably just gonna stick to whatever parts are recommended but I'll upgrade as I learn more. Having an actual desktop will be extremely nice compared to the piece of shit that I'm used to now

>>13679233

The one thing I would do for sure is a 480gb+ SSD, I have a 250gb SSD and constantly have to manage my installs to keep games that need a fast HDD on there while not filling it with other crap.

>>13679005

>base clock is only 3.3ghz

>spread over even more cores

Are you seriously going to buy that shit?

>>13679267

A high storage SSD is the one thing I was honestly planning on getting anyway along with a nice 2 Tb HDD to keep all my miscellaneous shit on. I have a 450 now and it's nowhere near enough space so 250 definitely isn't gonna cut it doesn't help that 450 is my only storage besides SD cards

>tfw can't post my battlestation because at home for the weekend and its in my dorm

Fug D:

I'm very glad I built it over buying a gayman laptop, but I did do a ton of research on laptops in general. I might end up needing to buy one just for portability (not a gayman one, a regular one).

specs on my rig.

>tfw I can't increase the internal resolution of emulators to match my actual resolution without horrible issues like audio fucking up

Goddamn. I don't think I've even played many demanding things on this thing, besides maybe StarCraft 2 on Extreme

>>13679115

If you want to use OpenGL applications on Windows, AMD is almost always crippled. Less so on Linux but still crippled.

On the other hand Nvidia drivers have a bug which eats RAM for breakfast especially when emulating.

>>13679275

Nope, just looking at where the market is at. The i7-8700K is the closest to doubling my single core performance but has integrated graphics which I don't want. Hopefully in 2-3 years when they have finally doubled 2011's single core performance there will be an option without it.

>>13679303

> but has integrated graphics which I don't want

If you want intel you're not going to have a choice.

>>13679302

>Nvidia drivers have a bug which eats RAM for breakfast especially when emulating.

fixed two driver updates ago and it only was happening in cemu emulator, it still eats lots of ram so clearly that nigger exzap is partially at fault with some shitty design

>>13679318

>it still eats lots of ram so clearly that nigger exzap is partially at fault with some shitty design

>fixed two driver updates ago and it only was happening in cemu emulator,

Happens with everything that loads a lot of precompiled OGL shaders, so it affected RPCS3 and Dolphin too but in much smaller ways because neither of those loads 20k+ shaders per game.

>>13679303

the entire i9 shit is essentially a scam by Intel to provide a product to compete with AMD to rope in gullible people and please their share holders.

>>13679318

>fixed two driver updates ago

Only partially.

>it only was happening in cemu emulator

And RPCS3. Currently the way compute shaders are handled using OpenGL in Nvidia on Windows is also very suspect. Probably because they didn't bother fixing it as OpenGL wasn't as widespread as it is now.

Basically AMD is fucked for emulation and Nvidia is better than AMD for emulation but still kind of fucked.

Also OP

>/g/

Learn where you are. /tech/ is our /g/.

>>13679288

High storage SSDs are retarded at this point. 500gb ones cost what, like 200$? Well 2 tb ones cost 2000$ and above. It's not worth it and it's stupid to overpay for something as cheap as memory.

>>13679362

to be fair the threadripper is cheaper

:^)

>>13679292

4k builds still aren't a thing, if you really want to see a decent gain without terrible frames go 1440p @ 144hz. Honestly 60 fps feels like 30 now that I'm use to 100+.

>>13679382

>if you really want to see a decent gain without terrible frames go 1440p @ 144hz

Not a good idea

the non standard refresh rate fucks up with a lot of things.

>>13679233

The most important parts are the power supply and the motherboard. And by important I mean where you should be looking for high quality, compatible parts.

After that the most dramatic performers are the graphics card, the processor, the ram, and the hard drive. Their capabilities are more important than their brand.

Then what’s left is the case, cooling, and peripherals which you might already have.

Really the only difficulty in building PCs is researching the parts, your motherboard manual will walk you through the rest like a LEGO book.

>>13679362

Well the ryzen refresh or whatever is coming early 2018 so maybe you'll have something to look at.

>>13679371

The threadripper platform isn't cheap though.

>>13679395

>The threadripper platform isn't cheap though.

Thats the joke

>>13679392

>the non standard refresh rate fucks up with a lot of things

I have never had an issue in the year I have been running it. Turn on G-sync, turn off V-sync, problems solved.

>>13679408

>Turn on G-sync, turn off V-sync, problems solved.

What about nonG-Sync monitors?

>>13679115

Depends what you're doing, but most likely GTX 1080 Ti. Vega, besides the miner craze, Vega tends to be only economical if you're focusing on workstation environment. While obviously they'll still game just fine, you're paying extra for something that will run worse than their Nvidia price, counter part.

>>13679071

>>13679137

>>13679125

Gotta agree, you need quicker ram.

>>13679381

Replace Ram, GPU, and maybe PSU and your good.

>>13679163

You mean like prebuilt? Obviously their all crap!

>>13679412

Monitors? What about HDMI TV with niks in the screen?

>>13679319

remove the Seagate GoFlex from your anus so it can cool the fuck down

>>13679408

You'll be spending extra on a G-Sync/Free-sync monitor.

Pretty much limiting yourself to a set hardware with very little flexibility.

>>13679005

is upgrading from a 2600k worth it now?

>>13679431

To what?

Upgrading your intel CPU right now would be a bad idea in general.

>>13679421

>>13679433

>Monitors?

Yeah, I was looking into getting a 144hz nonTN monitor sometime in the future and can't go with either of the manufacturer sync because Gsync is way too expensive for what I want (not spending fucking 800+ on a single monitor) and I'm not ever using AMD ever again for GPUs until they get their shit together for emulation so never.

>>13679431

I'll be waiting another gen or two but everyones needs are different, are there things that run like shit / are frustrating due to CPU?

>>13679435

what do you do on this forum if you havent played a videogame after 2000 grampa?

>>13679452

The system he is talking about can run most modern games without much effort at 720p.

>>13679452

talk shit about games you never played like the rest of /v/, obviously

>>13679521

Decent build but nothing to write home about.

>1080p @ 144Hz

I didn't know such a beat existed.

>>13679421

>Replace Ram, GPU, and maybe PSU and your good.

GPU is for sure a bottleneck for me right now. Most games are struggling to get me 30fps. It makes me sad.

I've had the same "base" computer since 2008 and just been patching parts into it as needed, but sort of want to just get a whole new one and re-purpose this as a HTPC or something.

>>13679435

I can only play Ultima 7 and Ultima Underworld so many times before the craving 2b's butt in max resolution.

>>13679529

*beast

>>13679529

>I didn't know such a beast existed.

Vast majority of 144hz monitor come in that resolution right now.

>>13679521

why does speccy sees 1070 as 4gigs card when it has 8gigs of ram?

>>13679542

Speccy issue, CPU-Z reports 8gb.

>/g/

>>>/cuckchan/

>>13679529

She gets it handled. Honestly I haven't been gaming as much as I used to and she just runs as a media server. But 1080 144 is sexy enough as it is.

>>13679557

>CRTs are better

I want this meme to die. I worked in a graphics design company that used CRTs for true color display and they sure as fuck weren't the 20yo $200 CRTs /v/ likes to boast about.

>>13679575

>111°C

sheesh what are we cooking?

>>13679583

that iiyama is about 12 years old, CRT is better by the way.

>>13679533

Honestly the ie is there because I have about 6 GB of RAM worth of tabs open in Chrome. I use it for emergency googling when in game.

I'm building a new PC soon. Soon in like one or two months. I'm with a lot of cash to spend on this one so I'm thinking about building a system with a GTX 1080ti for 1440p/2160p gaming.

The problem is the processor. Coffee lake seems underwhelming for the price, especially since I'm forced to buy an overpriced z370 board. Thus I'm leaning towards a Ryzen build. Will the Ryzen 1600 be a good enough companion to a top end card or I will have to go with the 1600X? Should I go all out and break the bank on a Threadripper? Multithreaded performance is kinda important to me because I work with Photography/Design shit, but it isn't paramount.

>>13679575

>111°C

why

>>13679598

I feel bad telling anyone not to buy AMD because that won't help them catch up but see >>13679362

>>13679444

to the newest gen of chips, not really keeping up on development since it seemed there wasn't really an improvement for gaming.

>>13679448

not really no, but i really wanted to stock up on ram and replace the mainboard. so i've been waiting for an actual upgrade to replace everything.

>>13679620

Before stocking up on RAM look at where DDR5 is at https://please use archive.is/gadgets/2017/03/next-generation-ddr5-ram-will-double-the-speed-of-ddr4-in-2018/

>>13679627

Well fuck, basically DDR5 will probably hit servers late 2018 and consumers in 2019.

>>13679529

>impressed by 1080p @ 144Hz

1440p (QHD) @ 144 are available now, and 3840p (UHD) @ 144Hz is just around the corner now.

>>13679639

I have 1440p @ 144Hz, I just didn't know they were doing it in 1080p.

>>13679611

The thing is that I absolutely have to upgrade though. My processor is an i5 750 from 2009 and it is clearly showing its age on performance, but most importantly, I'm stuck without USB 3.1, M2 slots and a lot of other good shit on the chipset department.

>>13678957

all i need is a racing wheel + pedals.

also a lot more hard drives.

>>13679644

My point is AMD is miles behind intel, do a price / preference comparison in your price bracket and keep in mind my 6yo intel in only ~5% slower single core than the fastest AMD on the market.

>>13679663

you can always find good Intels for cheap on ebay, but i always have trouble finding compatible motherboards and if i do they cost as much as new unless i go for some chink tier brand, another thing is that RAM is always a bitch to pair with older systems

>>13679685

I would never bother with second hand RAM, pay for some matched sticks and save a lot of headache. As for MBs I haven't done a build in 6 years so didn't know they were expensive now.

>>13679663

What I hate is the fact that if I go Intel I will be stuck with Coffee Lake forever because Cannon Lake will be not compatible with the $200 z370 motherboard they forced me to purchase.

Fuck, why AMD are such failures? They let Intel keep getting away with this bullshit.

What Linux distro are you guys running? Dual boot or entirely free?

>>13679804

>BabyOS instead of *BSD

Neck yourself.

>>13679804

No linux at all.

I no longer have enough free time to have my work and entertainment machine needing tinkering with on a dialy basis.

>>13679701

>>13679663

>>13679708

>all this intel shilling

>in the year ryzen utterly demolsihed intel and is projected to demolish them next year with the next gen architecture

>which caused intel to do two rehash architectures in the same year as a response

>and they still charge more for undeniably worse hardware

>b-but muh gaymen and twitch semen

reminder that gay intel/amd meme was flipped on its head hard this year

(Note my niggas- I'm talking about halfchan /g/)

It'd be nice to get some solid keyboard and mouse suggestions that aren't /g/ meme products or trying to ruse you into buying garbage for funny laughs. I want stuff that works well but doesn't wear out in 6 months or have obnoxious price spiking LEDS all over.

I got meme'd into getting a steelseries mouse- The rubber padding on the side despite being kept immaculately clean has a thumb hole worn in already.

Also sidenote- I swear /g/ is also entirely retarded when it comes to tech in general. They nearly jerked their collective dicks off saying "There is no such thing as micro stutter" for dual GPU cards- Lo and behold 2 years later no one makes dual GPU cards because of the fucking micro stutter.

Protip: If you want to compare GPUs and CPUs, Use userbenchmarks (The passmark ones are good for a LOOSE idea of performance but they are also entirely synthetic benches so some shit doesn't match up.)

That and common sense goes a long way. Because otherwise everyone will brand slap fight and give you cherry picked horse shit.

>>13679804

windows 10 on my SSD, debian on my HDD. I admit I don’t use linux as much as windows, but if reactOS ever figures out directx I’ll switch to that.

I learned the hard way dualbooting on a single hard drive is a bad idea.

>>13679858

Intel management are human garbage and openly cooperating with the NSA to implement hardware spyware, I think we agree on this.

Now find me an AMD CPU that is ranked in the top 20 of all CPUs for single core performance, hell have the top 30.

Intel are evil as fuck and don't care about the customer, AMD open sources some great technologies and is a force for good in computing. Sadly AMD can not complete on a technical level and are so far behind intel it's hard to justify them for anything but applications where performance isn't an issue, this is /v/ and our shared hobby has a habit of pushing hardware to it's limits.

>>13679917

>Windows 10

It is true, we ARE surrounded by retards.

>>13679898

I can vouch for the G203 I bought recently, it's an excellent mouse for the price.

>>13679928

On the bright side only one of the speccy caps shows win10, we still aren't half/v/.

>>13679923

>single core performance

the only games that would benefit from this will already be running at your monitors maximum refresh rate, and most applications are becoming increasingly multithreaded. If you get Intel now, you are upgrading yourself into a brick wall with the only solution being an entirely new motherboard, (likely) ram, and a new processor for any meaningful upgrades. Don't be that retard.

>>13679948

>the only games that would benefit from this will already be running at your monitors maximum refresh rate

Or you know Emulators, the only reason to buy a high end CPU in the first place?

>>13679954

>Or you know Emulators, the only reason to buy a high end CPU in the first place?

well, if you want an inferior experience, be my guest.

>>13679948

>>13679954

Don't forget anything with physics simulation that can't be shared over multiple cores without inducing instability like ARMA, KSP, BeamNG or Universe Sandbox.

>>13679948

Just let the IPC circlejerking continue while they pay much more for marginal 5-10% framerate improvements at 1080p

>>13679954

Unless you're one of those idiots trying to emulate BoTW you can play ANYTHING worth playing with a 2500k, so you have no argument.

>>13679948

>>13679967

Ok then, find me an AMD in the top 30 for multicore preformance.

>>13679898

Personally I bought a logitech g400s and I've used it for something like 5-6 years now, I think I bought it for 34€ so I'd say its performed admirably for the price.

15 dollarydoo keyboard has lasted me 6 years so far and I've got nothing bad to say about it.

It's not that hard my man.

>>13679948

I dont know about you but a lot of games still fail at using all cores.

Personal experiences include divinity original sin 2, arma 3 and stalker games too to if I'm not wrong.

>>13679858

Except in real world shit that's not happening? The top user benchmarked CPUs right now- The only one in the top 10 is an 800 dollar threadripper getting blown the fuck out by a 300 dollar CPU

>>13679923

You know what you're talking about- Intel are fucking skeezy kikes but they did smart decisions and R&D and are running almost unopposed for it. Since they control and own their own fab processes and can adapt and invest in it whenever they feel like.

AMD rested on their bargain power laurels too soon and didn't adapt to the changing market worth a shit. So they never bothered getting their own fabrication processes and relied entirely on third parties who aren't going to aggressively upgrade or experiment like a more privately owned one would- so they had to fall into the "Add more cores" meme to compensate.

Not to mention them being legally toothless and it took consumers to point out the whole "Compilers biasing against AMD" fiasco that was outed a while back and userfix it before anything even came of it.

It's like they know the deck is stacked against them and droop their heads, look towards their feet and go "Okay…" Instead of working two steps head to subvert being sabotaged either by themselves or intel.

>>13679981

>arma 3

try finding me another engine from 2001 that's got good multicore support

>stalker

try finding me another engine from 2002 that's got good multicore support

>divinity original sin 2

looks like its getting 90fps on max settings with ryzen so im not sure what your issue is.

>>13679984

mm yes, real world shit like well, anything mutlithreaded. by all means, invest in intel, they've been releasing so many promising products this year alone, how can anyone not have the utmost confidence in their next generation hardware that surely won't abandon the current socket type to keep up with amd?

>>13679981

considering ARM processors are getting more attention, it’s hard to see much more games optimizing for multicore.

Maybe there is something to the single core meme.

>>13679005

The 7900X is a joke

>>13679965

If I wanted the inferior experience I would've bought a Ryzen CPU.

>>13679967

>Unless you're one of those idiots trying to emulate BoTW

BotW isn't even one of the most CPU intensive games to emulate. Try Persona 5 or Shadow of the Colossus.

I noticed your weasel term of "ANYTHING worth playing" so I wouldn't be surprised at you moving goalposts.

>>13680005

Or single core.

Or multi core.

Or with multi-threading off

Literally there are no categories outside of large scale media work or compiling that the most expensive threadripper CPU excels at. That's it.

mass file conversion/compression and audio and video production and compiling is the only wheelhouse they have.

>>13680005

Just listed games from the top of my head since those are the ones I've been playing recently.

Divinity runs well but is also weird since I get stutter if I dont limit my fps to 60, could be my monitor but I highly doubt that since a lot of other games work fine, I'm pushing 140-160 in rainbow six siege but it isnt causing any problems.

>>13680013

Who knows, I personally wish there would be more comptetitors since its not good for the users that one company dictates the pace and prices of tech.

>>13680013

>single core meme

Right now load the last 5 games you played and open the hardware monitor, unless you only play AAA trash I guarantee atleast 2 will be 80%+ on a single core.

I wish multicore and Vulkan were supported everywhere but they just aren't.

>>13679973

Everyone knows that's not what matters when comparing CPUs

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html#xy_scatter_graph

You can compare 6 to 6 cores all you want but the pricing is so drastically different you look like a dumbass doing it.

IT COSTS HALF AS MUCH FOR ROUGHLY 10-15% PERFORMANCE LOSS

>>13680046

Post the CPUs you are talking about when you say "IT COSTS HALF AS MUCH FOR ROUGHLY 10-15% PERFORMANCE LOSS".

What AMD CPU costs half as much as which Intel CPU with only a 10-15% performance loss?

>>13680046

That graph is worthless.

A Xeon E5-2670 isn't even close to a good value CPU.

>>13680013

It is embarrassing in the industry that almost nothing except a small handful of industrial tools properly utilizes multi-cores fully when they've been around for so long now.

You think that there'd be a "Screw it" meet in the middle solution at this point where software support is irrelevant and it just works in a different way to utilize the neglected cores in tandem somehow.

>>13680070

the joke is you can’t compare multithread performance to single core, because programs use processors differently.

>>13680077

Currently load sharing is really fucking hard, you have to be very careful to not split a single operation and instead complete seperate operations at the same time. This is counter to the entire history of game development where everything is handled a frame at a time.

Hopefully some genius comes along, finds a solution and open sources it to game engine designers.

>>13680087

I know that all too well and so few things utilize multicore well I would rather have 4 fast cores than 10 slow ones.

>>13680077

There is a limit to how much stuff can be parallelized using multiple cores and there will come a point where you'll be spending a core just to calculate and synchronize all the calculations done by the different cores so the performance increase is never going to be equivalent to just increasing the base clockspeed.

>>13680077

Programing is haaaard

>>13680070

Ryzen 1600 against the i5 8400 or similar setups.

Truth is nowadays GPUs are much more important to games and CPU development has slowed down so much that you'd do much better should you save on the processor to invest on a good graphics card. At 1440p or more the diferences are marginal.

>>13679071

>GTX1070

>AMD6570

Nani the fuck?

>>13680043

does DOS2 use a lot of middleware? this tends to create issues with scaling in framerate.

>>13679804

Xubuntu Core on a craptop that i use to emulate NES or SNES games on a TV, this shit can't even run Manjaro with all the bloat it has, can't even run GBA games.

Manjaro as a second boot option on my desktop, i boot to this when i don't feel like playing games or just want to play emulators, too bad wine still has a couple problems with CEMU or PCSX2

>>13680046

Performance loss is unacceptable, i'd rather pay $60 more for that permanent extra 15% or even 25% with a safe overclock than living the next 2 years in a "what if" constant thinking. I ve spend more in worse stuff than that.

>>13680131

>Ryzen 1600 against the i5 8400

Credit where it's due, in that price range AMD is doing well. I wasn't aware because I have always enjoys physics intensive games and wouldn't consider a CPU that slow.

>4670k

>RX4808G

>16GB RAM

>7600k

>1070 8G

>16GB RAM

Dunno if want to upgrade or simply sell the first rig.

>>13680192

Why do you need two? Whenever I do a new build my old one becomes the media center or my gf's office computer.

>>13680192

use it for shitcoin mining and hope one of the scamcoins becomes somewhat profitable and sell for like 200$ each time

>>13680205

As a former 3x R9 280 miner I warn everyone that considers it it's a complete waste of time and money.

It was barely profitable 3 years ago and the situation hasn't improved as more normalfags get into crypto.

If you think a shitcoin has potential just buy $10 worth and sit on it.

>>13680045

>I wish multicore and Vulkan were supported everywhere but they just aren't.

>Vulkan

I've been hearing that for at least a year now, how Vulkan is a game changer that will save anime and shit. So what's the real situation with it.

Ryzen 5 1600X or Ryzen 7 1700?

The 1600X is going for 849 here, and the 7 1700 has two more cores and four more threads is going for 999,90, which is a tiny price difference for this hardware diference.

My question is if it's better to have just a 5 1600X for gaming, seeing as I won't use my future build for anything else than that.

>>13680241

PS.: I'm probably gonna pair it with an RX 580, I want to get a freesync monitor.

>>13680230

>what's the real situation with it

Imagine better performance than DX12 on any OS you want without nVidia tricky fucking over AMD.

It's fucking awesome but Microsoft, nVidia and Intel have a vested interest in it failing so offer studios free assistance in optimizing for Windows / Intel / nVidia on the condition that they don't support Vulkan.

As most normalfags have no idea about this or what it means the devs don't fear bad PR and sign over their souls.

>>13680273

Unless the AMD processors are sufficienly cheaper then the intel stuff is a better pick, just keep in mind AMD tends to stick with sockets for decades while Intel changes them out every gen, so there's no upgrade path for you with them.

Oh and get some very good cooling if you're going with an intel processor, maybe consider delidding if it's OC'd or hot enough.

>>13680241

I have the 1600X. The 1600 non-X makes more sense. It comes with a cooler, and with overclocking the extra stock frequency and XFR the 1600X has don't matter. Don't ask me how it performs for games because I only use it to shitpost, encode webms, and read VNs.

>>13680301

Yes, that is one of the points that make me consider the 7 1700 as well, it comes with a cooler and I've been reading about the XFR and the performance gain isn't that much.

Have you had any cons with this processor so far?

And have you had any issues with mobo or memory compatibility? I've read some cases where it happens, but it seemed to be related to early adoption.

>>13680319

Just get the fastest memory possible within budget (2800-3200 seems the sweet spot), a b350 mobo or better and a hyper 212 for nostalgia's sake.

Best priced ryzen processors are the 1200, 1600 and 1700 respectively for 4,6 and 8 cores, but the 1600 is the best value overall.

Check compatibility and do some research on your specific parts and you're set.

>>13680320

Fuck off /tech/, we need compatibility with software because we actually use our machines for more than just keeping our machines running.

>>13680319

As far as cons, the only annoyance I had was hard locks under Linux after about 1-2 days uptime, which was solved by disabling c-states in the BIOS settings. Might have been patched in newer kernels by now, I haven't checked. No problem with the RAM I got, which was this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313712 on an Asrock AB350 Pro4. Just loaded the SPD profile and off it went at 3200.

>>13680393

>celery with 4gb RAM, integrated graphics and non-standard resolution

What are you doing on /v/?

>>13680275

>Microsoft, nVidia and Intel have a vested interest in it failing so offer studios free assistance in optimizing for Windows / Intel / nVidia on the condition that they don't support Vulkan.

Fucking fuck. Figures some shady shit like that happens.

>>13680320

ARM is getting just as cancerous, OpenPower iirc is focusing largely on enterprise large scale market, so unless Talos considers offering a budget desktop option what do you propose as a solution.

>>13680413

>needing a beefy ass CERN supercomputer to play games

What are you doing in /v/?

>>13680482

>1440p@144hz

But those look like dogshit anon.

What's the point of maxing out the game at that framerate if the picture looks awful.

>>13680497

I didn't think I would have to explain this but the image I posted isn't a screencap I took, thus why it isn't 1440p…..

>>13680504

By "those" I meant the 144hz 1440p monitors.

I know that's not your screencap, it's fucking 1080p

Not to mention the fact that taking a screencap would do jack shit at showing the screen quality of your monitor.

How dumb are you?

>>13680518

I have the XB270HU and I'm happy with it. If you are into reaction based games (fighting / driving ect.) I highly recommend a 100Hz+ monitor. I didn't think I would notice much difference but now I can tell if a game in install has Vsync on by default within seconds of loading it due to stuttery 60fps movement.

>>13679349

>>13680607

That shit would drive me up a fucking wall too. I've had a lot of laptop screen get water damage mostly from my OCD needing to clean the screens with a liberal amount of alcohol but it was usually cheap-ass laptops anyways so I just dealt with it. I'd return that shit too if that happened to this screen. Now I just use screen wipes to clean this screen every once in a great while

>>13680641

What's your card? I hope this shit never happens to me but I hear newer graphics cards have much more aggressive thermal throttling to save themselves from this shit and hopefully extend their lifespan. Nvidia GPUs have a thermal limit of 75 degrees C for example unless you override it

>>13680641

Could be a dead PCIe slot

>>13680626

it was probably my ocd too, when I tried to clean the other side of the screen, right where the logo is and probably pressed against it or some shit, but Im not sure, as I was extra careful with it. The pixels are ok, it looks like the backlight is pressed or bent, either way, I hope the service and repair center wont charge me for that and just repair it. I could just swap it myself with the new display but that would void my warranty so thats not an option as something else might broke.

>>13680649

A radeon 380X I got new for peanuts a month before the 400 series dropped. Plays everything worth playing on high, less noisy than the case fans, no complaints.

>>13680665

Its plugged in the same slot as usual with no problems now, it was literally just the cpu paste.

>>13680680

>Its plugged in the same slot as usual with no problems now, it was literally just the cpu paste.

Yeah I misread your post

>>13680649

> but I hear newer graphics cards have much more aggressive thermal throttling

They do but Nvidia cards in particular basically don't heat up, I don't think I've ever seen my 1070 over 55°C most of the time the fans don't even turn on even.

>>13680706

My RX570 doesn't go above 62ªC and the ambient here is rarely below 34ºC so I think it's GPUs in general; RX VEGA notwithstanding.

>>13680761

repairing it myself would cost me extra money as well as a warranty. Also, no curryniggers where I live.

>>13678957

>/g/

YOU HAVE TO GO BACK FAGGOT

i5 7600k @ 4.2-4.8GHz (depending)

16GB DDR4 @ 3.3GHz (roughly, I forget)

EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 (don't remember the clock speed)

500GB 960 EVO

256GB 950 PRO

Several mechanical drives for storage

Windows 10 (use it at work, getting certified in it, plz kill me)

If it isn't obvious, I haven't played much vidya lately.

>>13679583

It's no meme, CRTs are definitely better… to handle low-def signals. Classic consoles and so on.

>>13679035

>grandpa

You're too nice, Anon.

>>13679367

>High storage SSDs are retarded at this point. 500gb ones cost what, like 200$? Well 2 tb ones cost 2000$ and above. It's not worth it and it's stupid to overpay for something as cheap as memory

BULLSHIT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HWrcCJ/crucial-mx300-20tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct2050mx300ssd1?history_days=730

~$500 (best price was ~$460) for 2TB SSD.

>>13681503

doesn't by the time you fill a little more than 1 tb of data on that ssd, it slows down

>>13680348

I didn't realize you fags were still running DOS software. Did you try the latest Lotus 1-2-3? It supports protected mode!

>>13680135

Second one is for my second monitor. Figured it'd be easier if I just put in a cheap GPU to power it.

>>13679583

There are good CRTs and bad CRTs. I'm sure you would love a high quality CRT.

Just waiting for the upcoming AMD APUs with Ryzen Architecture to put together a PC. the A12 APUs could even run DOOT with decent RAM, so I know I won't need anymore than that. AMDGPU is supossedly pretty good on Linux, so I'll go with that.

>>13682931

>the rapid improvement of the 90s and 00s.

Meh, it was exciting times sure but my wallet appreciates the more current era where even an offlease workstation from 3 years ago can be had for fairly cheap and serve as an easy turnkey machine with a few simple upgrades. Like a decent enough GPU and SSD.

>>13683005

While it saves a fortune I still get annoyed that in the last 6 years CPU performance hasn't doubled. I run into CPU related slowdown in several games (love muh physics) and between dedicated physics cards going the way of the dodo and CPU improvement grinding to a halt there isn't a viable solution under $2,000.

>>13680224

tbh 3x r9 280 is nothing, ASIC miners cost about $2000 and do 10 times the work of an rx 480 and yet you will barely make over $100 in "profits" per month.

I didn't even bother investigating how do you actually turn bitcoins into real cash in your hands.

>>13681604

looks like a medical machine

>>13683034

>While it saves a fortune I still get annoyed that in the last 6 years CPU performance hasn't doubled. I run into CPU related slowdown in several games (love muh physics) and between dedicated physics cards going the way of the dodo and CPU improvement grinding to a halt there isn't a viable solution under $2,000.

Might be running into the physical limits of silicon as well, but most of that stuff is beyond my paygrade. I just hope if the tech goes post silicon, there will be more competition in general in the market. That and hopefully bring about real open hardware solutions.

>>13683140

Once you disable/block all the telemetry in 10, it's really not that bad. Runs pretty damn fast and the search thing works immediately, while it took 15 seconds to give me results in Win 7. It also has disc image mounting built-in and it's ridiculously easy to use compared to 3rd party ones I used to rely on. And my taskbar duplicates across both screens without any questionably functional 3rd party dual monitor programs running.

>>13679035

This subject is uncommon on /tech/, compared to /g/.

>>13683628

The closest thing we have to true open hardware is expired patents, sadly. IBM's POWER architecture is wonderful, but the OpenPOWER group is just a partnership program instead of an open design group, and AIX isn't going open anytime soon, either.

With the current state of triple ayy gaymes, I'm in no rush to upgrade.

>>13683640

>Once you disable/block all the telemetry in 10

You literally can't

The OS is built in a way for that to be completely impossible.

>>13682461

Pretty good, except for the 1TB HDD

1TB will run out really quickly and 2TB or even 3TB aren't too much more

>>13683868

>cpu cooler switching 'accident' which broke some pins right off.

What did you do?

Those pins are pretty sturdy

>>13682991

>AMDGPU is supossedly pretty good on Linux

It really is.

Usually matches windows performance in games with decent linux ports

>>13684288

does amdgpu allow you to not stretch or scale the output?

>>13684295

Which GPU doesn't allow that?

>>13683640

>Once you disable/block all the telemetry in 10, it's really not that bad.

I think there was an anon that said he figured out how to turn 10Pro version into LTSB, but unless you have the Enterprise\Education\LTSB edition, you're never 100% sure whether it's truly disabled or not. Pro and Home10 is treated as a guinea pig version so the testing and feedback gets put into the Enterprise version, MS almost brags about it.

>>13683838

>The closest thing we have to true open hardware is expired patents, sadly.

>IBM's POWER architecture is wonderful, but the OpenPOWER group is just a partnership program instead of an open design group

Yeah shit's kinda fucked in a lot of ways right now.

>>13683640

There is no way to disable it.

I don't remember if it was anandtech but some site monitored outgoing data with all the telemetry and all the other bullshit turned off. It still sends mbs of audio and video (if you have a webcam) and other text data to microsoft and other servers every few minutes.

>>13686800

Thanks anon! I nabbed the DLC, but the base game might still be there if someone wants it. Hacknet is f u n

>>13686800

Oh shit, thanks anon I took the Base Game

What sort of hardware am I looking at for something that can handle BotW in 1080p@60FPS? I've finally wagecucked enough to have enough money for a decent PC and I'm wondering what special considerations (if any) I should consider when putting something together.

>>13687203

Generally speaking, a higher CPU frequency favors games more than a greater # of threads whereas greater # of threads favors production workloads for content creation.

>>13687268

Can a memory kit destroy your new very expensive CPU? Will it void your warranty?

>>13687349

Blame the faggots that feel the need to have SSDs on everything for no discernible reason.

And as for the memory, you can check online on both the motherboard and CPU makers for a compatibility list, but otherwise a current Mobo with an up to date Bios means there's basically no chance to get memory incompatibility.

>>13687356

>compatibility list

I checked that already. I can't find my specific kit because it's 4 sticks and the mobo only supports 2 sticks, but I saw similar kits so it might work. If not, I have yet another kit I can swap off another board. I did find it on the list, but it says ver5.30 after the model so I dunno if that's the memory model or a reference to the motherboard's BIOS version.

I will probably go with Rizen for the sake of trying to save money and having more lanes for NVMe + GPU. I highly doubt I couldn't get at least one out of the two sets of RAM I have working on it. I just hope it isn't shit for emulators. It is clocked lower and so many people optimize their code for Intel putting AMD at a disadvantage.

Aim of the buy is to get the best possible new stuff while using parts I already have to save money. I have a lot of spare parts and systems I can take parts from. As seen here: >>13687325 I have three working computers (there's also another older laptop I don't use at all) Will be selling some parts as well to fund new Mini-ITX build. If I can't sell those then the new build will not happen for a long while.

>>13687434

If you HAVE to have the best single core performance then Intel is the name of the game, really. Ryzen is sufficient for basically anything else but the cores just don't clock that fast.

Downsides of that are as you mentioned, lack of PCI lanes, dead end socket and the need to delid or ludicrous cooling, not to mention the prices. Personally I'd feel like a huge idiot for giving intel money and getting shafted that hard since they're still charging that much for what's at best a 5% performance increase and generally an actual loss over their last gens, so just get a 7700k or 7600k and OC the shit out of it if the core count is not a problem.

>>13683868

I'm gettting an 8320 next month. It will be OC'd. That will top off my beloved ancient PC in upgrading and hopefully Linux desktop will come out so I don't have to get MicroShafted after a few years.

>>13683877

>>13683897

I don't think anyone is, the only game that I play that causes my build to struggle is Dark Souls 3, and it still looks really good even on medium-high settings.

>>13687301

I'm aware of the importance of IPS; what I was looking for was recommendations. Are there certain lines of CPU that are noticeably better than others in this regard at a similar price point?

>>13687488

The 8600K is actually cheaper than the 7700K.

Intel i5-8600K 6 cores 6 threads 4.3GHz ~$280 on B&H

Intel i7-7700K 4 cores 8 threads 4.5GHz ~$300 on Ebay

On the AMD side:

Ryzen 7 1700X 8 cores 16 threads 3.8GHz ~$302 on Newegg

Ryzen 7 1700 8 cores 16 threads 3.7GHz ~$280 on Ebay

Ryzen 5 1600X 6 cores 12 threads 4.0GHz ~$220 on Ebay

Ryzen 5 1600 6 cores 12 threads 3.7GHz ~$195 on Ebay

I will be using a shitty air cooler initially until I can put better cooling in it so I doubt I'll overclock until then. If I can manage it I'll put the CPU and GPU on water later on, but for that I'd rather have a higher-end GPU worth putting on water instead of the spare GPU I'll be putting into it initially. It should only be running 1080p though, so probably not worth it to get a ridiculous GPU on water just for that. Having it on water though would be nice since it's meant to replace the gayman laptop which only has decent temps when you crank the fans to max. If I get a Mini-ITX build on water then I shouldn't have to listen to screaming fans like I do with the laptop, temps will be vastly superior and hardware will be easier to swap for upgrades.

>>13679125

>>13679421

>quicker ram

>they don't know how a dual channel config works

>>13688476

What games can even take advantage of ryzen?

>>13688476

>8 cores

>enough for even the most casual of pc users

i'm only just looking into upgrading my cpu again, so i haven't done nearly enough research into what's available.

how do the ryzen 9s do for gaming performance?

So do a lot of people here not realize 8chan has /g/ board?

>>13688844

you mean /tech/?

it's just too slow, that's my only complaint about it.

>>13688853

I was just commenting on people going

>/g/

>you have to go back

>>13689358

>Do I need to upgrade anything other than GPU?

Maybe an SSD for the OS if you don't have one otherwise not really.

>>13689475

how much space does win10 take on SSD?

>>13689358

suka blyat

>>13697703

I'm going to guess the same as it would on a mechanical HD with the other specs the same. At least that's what it looked the last time I installed win10 for someone.

>win10 itself

If you really have to use win10, at least try to get the Enterprise LTSB version. MS made the Pro and Home10 the

>you own nothing, goyim

edition.

>>13684804

Honestly I got it through Intel Retail Edge so it was a better deal than buying an i5 at the time.

>>13688853

>>13688844

also it techinically doesn't allow support threads, which kinda defeats most of the purpose

>>13680059

well that tower is a pretty sexy piece, but far from a humble workstation machine

the lenovo though is alright, but far too small to house a beefy PC

also, gonna be needing sauce on the hentai

>>13702070

>well that tower is a pretty sexy piece, but far from a humble workstation machine

IIRC it's one of the HP, Z workstation. Most of HP consumer stuff is barely average to near garbage except when it comes to their business grade stuff.

>the lenovo though is alright, but far too small to house a beefy PC

Yeah it's a SFF, so there's definite dimension and it's PSU limitation. (Single slot halfheight GPU only most if not all the time with them). That said a decent off lease refurb + budget GPU that fits can make for a pretty good sub 200-300 roll your own steambox type machine. I put together something similar for someone recently and they're happy with it, they only play e-sports titles on PC and the rest of their gayming they do on a console.

>sauce

Forgot the name of the actual mango but artist is Oda-Non.

>>13702298

You need to replace your CPU, GPU, RAM, and MOBO along with SSD!

Here are my recommendations.

CPU: Intel i9 or xeon

GPU: Nivida quantro

Ram 64GB of ddr4

Anything that supports your new intel CPU

intel branded SSD so you can boot from a raid 0 drive on your new CPU.

Any questions can be handled by my fellow intel sales members.

>>13702215

>DS3

>XInput

>tutorials

ahah nice one anon… I forgot to tell you though, I'm on linux

and besides, as I've described, my controllers work flawlessly on emulators

>>13681604

White Pride Worldwide

I have a Fractal R5 in white, but I broke the fucking window. I need to modify the side panel, expand the opening and put in a larger tempered glass window like the Paul's Hardware guy did to his R5.

Either that, or I'll swap the hardware into a BeQuiet Darkbase Pro 900 (white edition) since it can accommodate 420mm radiators. There are so few white cases that look nice and can have big radiators like that. I liked the simple aesthetics of the NZXT H340 Elite but the thing could only have one fan in the top which is kinda pathetic. The H700i is coming out to replace it and can mount more fans, but still no 420mm radiator support and they made the unforgivable decision to paint the interior of the white model in black.

>/g/

>>>/halfchan/

>>13703003

Anon, we've got /g/ too. It's just dead as hell because people moved to >>>/tech/.

Yet nobody here has mentioned the Intel CPU change with Coffee Lake?

i3 from now on will have 4 cores, i5 and i7 get 6 cores from now on. i9 gets 8 cores, not that i9 matters.

i3 Coffee Lake was $110 the first day, but sold out and is now $180-200. $110 was a bargain for 4 cores, pretty much an i5 for $100. Not anymore though. I'm going to wait for Ice Lake probably in late 2018/19 for that nice architecture tock.

Still waiting for the next stupid Nvidia series. 1000 series is insanely old at about 18 months now. 1070 for $100 more than release date price 18 months ago, no thanks. Hoping the 2070 / 1170 will be sold within 4 months. Of course they aren't releasing it yet, zero competition, I hate this current GPU stagnation. It could go to 24 months for the next release.

>>13703230

>Still waiting for the next stupid Nvidia series.

You're going to be waiting for a while, Nvidia's CEO said in an interview that they're going to sit on it because Vega isn't threatening enough.

>i5 4670k @ 4.3

>R9 270

>16GB DDR3 2400 @ CL11

>240GB ADATA SP600 240GB

>a bunch of salvaged HDDs

Sold my 290 during the mining boom for $300 and planned to buy a used 980 but I haven't played anything that could need it. Maybe I'll just save the cash for Zen 2.

Also 4K is the least of my concerns. I welcome the coming boom of 500hz 1080p monitors next year, strobe+GSync yes, both at once. Research is being done to strobe refresh at variable refresh rates (VRR is gsync), which achieves zero blur from frame to frame (a huge problem with LCD's up to 1khz refresh) just as good as CRT refreshes, and smoother than anything ever.

>>13703276

Will we ever get strobe + freesync?

>>13703805

That scaling is awful.

>>13703952

Are you talking about the image?

>>13703805

>60hz

You should have gotten a better monitor.

>>13704206

Yeah, the screencap just showcases how bad Windows is with anything other than default scaling. Unless you made some weird edits, that's what I assume is causing the strangeness with the menu bar.

>>13704220

Like what?

>>13704223

Yeah I probably could have cropped it better, but I don't really give enough of a shit to get it right.

>>13679923

>Intel management are human garbage and openly cooperating with the NSA to implement hardware spyware

Rayzen (also threadriper which it is based off?) has AMD's version of it called "Platform

Security Processor". If that didn't exist I would have happy and quickly upgraded from my 8320 (currently running a 6200), however I don't see the fresh in 2018 changing much. It is a pain to try and find any motherboards for the "old" 25W dual core CPU to use a lowish powered server.

>long time linux user

>can't get a game to work in wine

>"just install windows you fucking autist"

>fine, jeez

>torrent the iso

>shrink linux partition

>install windows

>it nukes grub

>t-thanks

>boot from liveusb to recover grub

>boot back into windows

>the nvidia card needs drivers

>as expected

>why the hell doesn't the intel gpu work out of the box though?

>and why doesn't the wifi work? what is this, trisquel?

>whatever, cat5 to the rescue

>nothing

>THE FUCKING ETHERNET DOESN'T WORK

>what the shit

>boot into linux to get the drivers

>after installing everything, windows starts updating

>piece of shit needs to reboot after every little change

>finally get everything set up

>want to reduce the brightness to below minimum like I have it in linux

>literally impossible in windows

>suddenly realize that there's a coil whine coming from the laptop

>reboot to linux

>silence

>reboot to windows

>coil whine

I can't believe I fell for the windows meme.

>>13705183

I don't get the torrent part, why would you need to do this if you are already trying to play the game's Windows version via wine? Also most of the time updates (if you are using a iso with a SP1/SP2[insert copout word here] and networking are uneeded for playing 99% of games. Polite sage for spoiling your rant.

>>13705225

>I don't get the torrent part

I don't have windows isos lying around. Speaking of which, did you know that you can't just dd a windows iso onto a usb? It won't work. You need special software for their special snowflake isos.

>>13705183

Bullshit that never happened for $5000, Alex.

>>13705299

Very nice system, but why aren't you using DDR4 2400, or if you are, why aren't you using a proper memory setting? Ryzen loves fast RAM.

>>13705183

1. its your own fault for still using grub ancient stuff

2. iknowright.gif windows is complete trash in regards to drivers, literally nothing works out of the box

3. what version were you using?

4. imagine trying to install win7 64 bit on EFI mode (it was a fucking nightmare)

>>13705471

>using Windows in a VM isn't using Windows

The lengths that Linux fags go to, I swear…

>>13705541

But you CAN'T control what goes in and out, unless your CPU is 15 years old. I don't know if you know this, but every CPU has backdoors in them nowadays. The thing is, NOBODY FUCKING CARES ABOUT YOUR SYSTEM, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Unless you're posting on a terrorism website the plans on how you want to rig up Washington DC with enough Semtex to blow up the White House nobody is even going to notice that you exist, you are so insignificant that it doesn't matter. And if you want control over Windows, it's simple, use Enterprise edition. Enterprise edition has the ability to turn off telemetry, it's been proven. But I guess you'll just say that them security experts are fucking shills and liars.

>>13679044

I'd love to adopt Ryzen, but sadly Intel has such a huge monopoly that compatibility is an issue. I work in design so I have to run OSX applications. I want to upgrade my i7-2600, but don't want to pay Intel's extortionate price tags.

>>13705541

>but its making a compromise that doesn't give hardware access

what the fuck do you think passthrough is?

What's a moderately good GPU for under $200? Looking for big christmas gift ideas and gonna be selfish for once.

>>13705471

>Its the fucking best

its the worst… seriously

Anyone have any decent 1440p monitor recommendations for a dual monitor setup? I currently only have a 1920x1080 single screen, but I don't think 4k is a viable option yet in terms of hardware. G-Sync would be nice but not necessary if it's going to add 300 shekels to the end price.

i56700/gtx 1080

>>13706216

>duckduckgo

does anyone actually use that shit?

>ixquick

does anyone actually use that shit?

>>13706361

I've been using StartPage. What's wrong with Ixquick, exactly?

Sorry for not bumping with a speccy, but can a GTX 950 and FX-8320 handle Wii U emulation or am I better off waiting until Christmas and maybe getting a new GPU then (assuming the aforementioned CPU doesn't bottleneck it)?

>>13710781

You're out of luck m8. Maybe you will be able to run stuff like sm3dw but don't expect games like both or xcx to be playable

>>13710815

>but don't expect games like both or xcx to be playable

Shit. Might have to settle for a Switch in the future after all. Hope the Splatfests are still going on by then.

>>13710781

You don't want a new GPU, you need a new CPU for emulation. FX-8320 is not very good for native PC games, let alone emulation.

>>13710979

I hear Ryzen is all the rage but I'm not about to replace the motherboard one year into my first build.

>>13710781

Definitely get a new CPU. The GPU should be more than enough. I can run CEMU easily on my Skylake i7 and GTX 970m

>>13711028

Ryzen would probably be worth that new motherboard if you're coming off of an FX-8320. Regardless, when compared to Intel, its the same story as ever really, you get better multicore performance but slightly worse single core performance. The difference here with Ryzen, and why its a big deal, is that the gap is significantly narrowed between the two as far as single core performance goes while Ryzen also being cheaper and having more cores in general. For emulation though I would still recommend an Intel CPU where single core performance is paramount

>>13711044

I'll keep this in mind in the event that the Wii U is inevitably sold (I'd hack homebrew into it but it isn't actually mine). Right now, emulating Breath of the Wild isn't the highest priority. Besides, I hear it runs better on the Switch. By the way, I hear there's another bundle coming out of Black Friday. How credible is that?

Anons, I'm in need of a new keyboard. Are there any really quality ones for under $100?

>>13711044

If you eventually want to fuck around with PS3 emulation, Ryzen is really good at that. It also has better vidya performance than Intel if you leave programs running in the background or if you're streaming/recording gameplay footage using the CPU and not the GPU.

Bump

>>13711975

Ryzen is good for RPCS3? Any sources on that?

I actually do want to run RPCS3 on my mini-ITX build so that would be great if Ryzen is good at it.

>>13711975

>Ryzen is really good at that. It also has better vidya performance than Intel if you leave programs running in the background or if you're streaming/recording gameplay footage using the CPU and not the GPU.

also, would like source on that or others to affirm it,

what about emulation on other systems, even PS2?

seems a good one to upgrade to, but needing to also upgrade motherboard, is basically getting a whole new PC (I'm on am3+)

>>13710979

>FX-8320 is not very good for native PC games, let alone emulation.

why people trash so much on the FX series?

I got a FX6300 and they're pretty good at keeping it up

pretty good frequencies and cache

>>13715220

I've got an 8320e @ 3.6GHz. It does alright for Gamecube/Wii and PS2 emulation, but I think that's just about the limit. Apparenty CEMU can run too, but all the videos of it on FX CPUs have them overclocked to 4.5 GHz.