3286eb No.13619052
Has datamining killed exploration and secrets in video games?
I was reading this (http://www.blue-reflections.net/ragecandybar/projects/pokegods/) and remembered the old days when people would make massive theories about video games. Saying there may or may not have been shit in a game, back when games felt far more alive. half of that mystery is gone these days because dataminers and lets player faggots who make clips showcasing every secret in a game. We'll never have shit like mysteries, fake rumors, or that bullshit "cryptid hunting" that was popular with the GTA games.
The worst part is there's no real way to fix this, is there? No one is gonna just not datamine if you ask them.
193cc2 No.13619059
>No one is gonna just not datamine if you ask them
They probably will if you tell them you're a journo.
82e23e No.13619062
730564 No.13619065
yes
every game that tried to hide secrets in recent years got datamined, it's inevitable at this point.
efca05 No.13619066
Remember when the BoI dev got super assblasted when his whole ARG was fucked over by somebody who edited hex values?
695069 No.13619072
The long and short of it is Yes.
No matter how cryptic or well-hidden something is, even if explicit meta-consequences are made clear for data-mining, it's going to happen with anything but a small cult following; and even then places like reddit specialize in ruining communities and mysteries whether or not they have anything to do with the subject, or in this case have even played the game.
See: Undertale, Payday 2, Binding of Isaac, and other recent releases that tried to have some real mysteries in their game. Every time they were datamined, and the creators either completely cut the content or punished the community.
b45b8c No.13619079
>>13619052
>datamining killed exploration and secrets in video games
I really dont get this, people are going to explore and find secrets in games one way or the other. Why stop adding them because some faggots can datamine? Thats fucking retarded
193cc2 No.13619091
>>13619079
>why spend hours making a hedgemaze if people are just gonna cut right through it
I can understand the sentiment but at least some devs still do it. I think there are some secrets going down in the hat in time game last I heard.
8f29a9 No.13619094
In Undertale's case datamining made people more interested, because the dev hid some cool stuff in the game.
b45b8c No.13619097
>>13619091
You cant tell me more than 0.01% of a playerbase is going to datamine
7c073a No.13619098
>>13619094
>Dev spergs out and doesn't do any further updates, leaving the ARG incomplete
You know this doesn't count yet you did it anyways for your undertale meme.
9e2633 No.13619106
>>13619072
Is there a way to counteract datamining?
efca05 No.13619111
>>13619098
What the fuck was Toby's problem?
He was as big a lolcow as his game's following.
e3303b No.13619113
>>13619052
This kills much more than just mysteries. Everyone will know the best way to do everything and the best setups and best routes and the best gear and the best tactics, just because autists put everything to a wiki and google will find it in 2 seconds.
There's many kinds of games you can't even have because of this.
3286eb No.13619119
>>13619079
The issue isn't if devs should add secrets in the first place. It's that whatever secrets they add can be easily checked and discovered in the first week. There's no more sprawling mystery with games, or mysteries that may or may not be discovered. There's no wondering "Is there a secret Monster in this dungeon?" because dataminers already tested and had the answer shortly after launch. And they know exactly how to trigger and discover it if it's there, or instantly disprove it.
Where before games felt a lot more dynamic and "anything is possible", it simply isn't the case anymore.
8f29a9 No.13619120
>>13619106
If a game required connecting to a server you could hide things in the server. Downside is that the game would be online only.
695069 No.13619130
>>13619106
It depends on exactly what you're trying to do; a secret level? A meta-horror or mystery? A message from the developer?
Assets can be uncovered, encryptions can be busted, and text read in plain the moment they are used in-game.
>>13619111
This is the real casualty of data-mining and fandomfaggotry; there's no exploration, mystery, or community anymore. It's too all accessible and estranged; to the point where people trust wikis over developers.
efca05 No.13619138
>>13619119
>image
Which is the better waifu? Left or right?
efca05 No.13619144
>>13619130
I'm not just talking about the datamining, I mean Toby really flipped out a lot.
I remember he got really angry and ranted on Twitter when he didn't win an award for Undertale.
695069 No.13619163
>>13619144
My bad, >>13619130 was meant for >>13619113
Toby was a huge autist, I'll give you that, but I don't think anyone could handle the kind of attention something like Undertale brought.
I certainly wouldn't want to be mailed porn of my creations at my home address by Tumblr.
7c073a No.13619165
>>13619130
>encryptions can be busted
Isn't that incredibly hard depending on the encryption?
I know Denuvo gets busted back and hell but certainly its not actually impossible to make data unreachable enough that nobody will bother.
2003eb No.13619166
>>13619138
Look deep within your heart. You already know the answer.
730564 No.13619176
>>13619165
people will see the harder encryption as a challenge, not a wall.
e3303b No.13619196
>>13619165
You can't properly encrypt anything because the game must have the key in there somewhere in order to read the data.
695069 No.13619216
>>13619165
The issue isn't that the encryption itself can be cracked (and it can be, the game has to use those files), it's that even with it you can't protect your game from curious autists and attention-hungry faggots poking at values and finding assets.
4daafe No.13619231
>>13619052
>Has datamining killed exploration and secrets in video games?
There is actually a simple way to fix or at least mitigate this problem.
The entire game industry is just too retarded to think of it.
So first off, the game industry is retarded, which means they're desperately trying to protect their copyrights from piracy.
So they try to encrypt their game data WITH THE INTENT OF PROTECTING IT FROM COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.
Protecting the game's secrets is secondary to this goal.
They encrypt ALL of the code and ALL of the data under one key, so this ALL has to be decrypted to play the game at all.
The game data gets decrypted into RAM in order to play it, so data miners pick up the data in RAM, and bam, RIP most/all of your game's secrets, regardless of whether players have even played through the whole game yet.
Oh, and great job protecting that copyright from infringement!
OK, so imagine for a minute, that we try to encrypt some of our game data WITH THE INTENT OF KEEPING SECRET DATA SECRET.
Not all of the game's data needs to be kept secret, so we can construct our game so that most of the game can be played while keeping secret content still encrypted.
Then, what about the key to unlock the encryption? What do we do about that?
This depends on what you intend to do with your game, but there's a couple options:
>Don't put the key in the game anywhere. Release the key at a later date.
>Put the key in the game, but have it split into different pieces. For example, have player collect 6 items and set them in a certain order. ID values associated with items form the key to plug into the decryption algorithm.
With the above example where key is placed in the game, dataminers have to traverse the different parts of the game code/data where it explains how to form the decryption key in order to decrypt the data, so dataminers end up effectively "playing the game" much like players would.
And until the first player/dataminer decrypts the data and uploads the secret onto the Internet, the secret remains secret, as it is encrypted.
In other words, the gaming industry, in its futile attempts to protect against copyright infringement, has failed to protect both copyright infringement and game secrets.
If they'd give up on protecting copyright (which they can't protect anyways) and actually tried to protect their game secrets, they could succeed.
I mean, just look at Pokemon nowadays, they aren't even trying to hide their event Pokemon, even though the 3DS has a system for updating games.
788bb6 No.13619303
It's just the general spread and normalfagfication of the internet, not secluded to gaming only. It became too easy to share and overexpose information, which support's normalfags' shiteating taste for fast and lowest denominator entertainment.
56ad5d No.13619633
>>13619097
>You cant tell me more than 0.01% of a playerbase is going to datamine
No more than 0.01% ‘’needs’’ to datamine.
Hell, if a game has 80,000,000 million players and only 1 of them datamines, that’s all it takes. Because that dataminer is going to get on Reddit or 4chan or Youtube and post every single secret he extracted, then some wacko liberal (((gamejourno))) is gonna report on it for clicks, and the experience is ruined for everyone else.
Do you not remember the bitchfit Edmund McMillen threw when guys just cracked BoI for the time-released goodies he was planning to breadcrumb post-Afterbirth launch? The sheer hoops he went through to keep the content of his replacement ARG offline to preserve the process of investigation?
I can’t believe the same community so proud of themselves for causing the Boston Salt Party is so uncomprehending of the simple fact that easy spoilers ruin the joy of speculation or discovering something for yourself, which in turn discourages devs and players from making or getting excited for surprises, Easter eggs, and theorycrafting in the future. Are you really that retarded?
607b99 No.13619655
>>13619052
I want to explore her womb
if you know what I mean
f02c52 No.13619721
dont look at datamine dumps, dont watch lets plays of the games you're interested in. is it really so difficult? you fags have no friends so it's not like they'd ruin it for you either.
c6bc2d No.13619900
>>13619721
It still gets annoying when you're trying to discuss a game in a thread and instead of someone booting up the game to check on something that gets brought up, they just open the wiki in a new tab.
910fe8 No.13619942
>MUH SEEEEEEEEEEEECKREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
3beafc No.13619954
>>13619052
I used to datamine for warframe, and I've done it for countless games since 1994.
AMA
I did it for the warframe general on the old board, and when they bitched about it (it was them who asked and complained to begin with, as well as a reddit crossposter who took credit for it on reddit), I stopped.
To short circuit a few questions, the reason people do it is the same reason some people get wrapped up in the mysteries. The big difference is that the people who datamine are intent on getting answers instead of speculating and then masturbating at one another with those speculations.
099361 No.13620009
>>13619052
>The worst part is there's no real way to fix this, is there?
If you think about it, From software's games do this with their plots. Everything is hidden in plain sight. You can't just crack open the game and watch a cutscene, you have to go to the boss room, look at the walls and see what's lying around before you can tell what happened. This kind of shit is probably the last way we'll be able to have "secrets" in the game.
881812 No.13620012
>>13619052
>Has datamining killed exploration and secrets in video games?
No. What killed that is publishers and developers aiming for a minimum viable product to maximize profit. There's nothing to explore anymore, it's just an A to B cinematic joyride.
3beafc No.13620046
>>13620012
Definitely agreed. I mean I can see that datamining can do harm, but honestly sometimes they handle it so bad you feel completely apathetic to it all.
>>13620009
I'd agree but we're forgetting how much the internet keeps shit from being secret even with no datamining.
82e23e No.13620510
>>13619094
Technically speaking, it was unfinished stuff that he made an easter egg, it never was intended to be features.
But then everything changed when the TransMale Burkha wearing asgore attacked
ed123f No.13620577
>>13620546
Not canon, nor is there any correlation or evidence that this is Gaster.
119a58 No.13620596
>>13619052
This really makes me think…
Is the internet ruining videogames?
82e23e No.13620601
>>13620596
It's more that shitty hipster ruins videogames, rather than the internet as a tool
209153 No.13620616
>>13620596
its ruining more than just videogames
119a58 No.13620624
>>13620601
Think about it tho.
>Walkthroughs
>Let's Players
>Youtube oriented games
>Game journos
>Kikestarter
>Datamining
>Piracy leading to unreasonable DRM measures
>Toxic fanbases possibly ruining a game you could've liked if you just played it
>Spoilers
82e23e No.13620666
>>13620624
Things that shitty people do, yeah?
I mean someone could shove a screwdriver up their ass, that doesn't make every screwdriver shitty.
Just that screwdriver in particular
8cfb03 No.13620696
Secrets and Rewards in videogames died when cheevos became a thing.
82e23e No.13620710
>>13620696
This I can agree with a little more, external reward systems in general bad
119a58 No.13620820
>>13620666
Yes but screwdrivers will soon be made illegal if they're mostly used for stabbing, don't you think?
Name one way the internet has improved games.
e7d9a8 No.13620885
>>13619052
Rumors still exist today, just like in the early internet, but debunks are easier to find and we are just too old to fall for most hoaxes. Everything is very easy to verify, so you don't have to check whether or not it's real in the actual game. I guess that's it.
But I agree with the general point. The internet is too big nowadays, so information spreads too easily and is therefore harder to not find than to actually find. Kinda kills the mystery sometimes, when you know all of the content in a game before you even play it.
72a0de No.13620929
>>13619052
Make it so the secret requires people to find some additional file from a website you control with no direct reference to ingame.
Problem solved.
d28450 No.13621137
>>13620820
>pay someone to stab people with screwdrivers
>oy vey, we need to ban screwdrivers for your protection guy!
119a58 No.13621337
>>13621137
I'd like to see anyone trying to make that happen often enough to spread a panic.
dfea2f No.13621444
>>13619059
They have dicks, don't they?
119a58 No.13621462
>>13621444
It sounds like you want them to.
3f18c1 No.13621503
The internet and all of its various communities are opt-in. It's not mandatory that you read a game's wiki while playing it.
56ad5d No.13621591
>>13621503
I ask again, because the first time around all the Spoiler Brigade Apologists just ignores me: What can be done about guys who enter forum/imageboard threads where you and your buddies are bantering and theorycrafting about the possible secrets within a game and spam you with all the datamined definitive content in the game code?
Do the words Boston Salt Party mean nothing to you? They shouldn’t; we’re in the place that caused it.
941758 No.13621614
>has something some faggot that plays with games instead of plays games ruined games
No.
56ad5d No.13621711
>>13621631
Answer the question.
d9a738 No.13621722
>>13619052
Yep.
That's why I just play traditional games and write all of my GMing notes in a nonsensical format so, even if my players decide to get screwy, they'll never really know.
fe6288 No.13621727
>>13619052
Actually, it's easy.
Just make your game available only as GameFly-like streaming service, so that no assets ever actually exist on a player's machine at all.
c08d27 No.13621799
>>13621591
>spam you with all the datamined definitive content in the game code
Most of the time it's just information about the plot that is spammed, which is really fucking easy to avoid if you aren't a complete idiot
941758 No.13621808
>>13621591
Stop being homosexual gossip queens and perhaps play the video games. Must be a younger class and require a crutch to even check the controls without an in-game tutorial. Raised on ecelebs where the mainstream pull is it's hip to be bad at things.
af12bc No.13621888
>>13621444
you are on /v/, anon
af12bc No.13621953
>>13619106
there is, anon
you know how pokemon red blue and yellow tend to glitch out in certain ways when you do certain things?
well, just write the game's code to achieve things by "glitching out" in such a way that it doesn't seem glitchy, and perhaps dataminers won't find it
619392 No.13621991
>>13620929
Yeah, but there is another word for that
Always-online DRM
119a58 No.13621992
>>13621953
Or simply hide your engine under several layers of encryption like square enix usually does.
The point of it should be to slow the dataminers down, since they're bound to crack the thing eventually.
619392 No.13621996
>>13621953
They don't look at the game's code, they look at other files.
619392 No.13622017
>>13619942
Video games are for fun. Secrets and surprises and mysteries are fun. Why the fuck are you playing video games if not to have fun?
af12bc No.13622039
>>13621996
>>13621992
oh well then heres an idea
make it an MMO and put the files detailing enemies and maps and items and such on the server side
c08d27 No.13622204
>>13622017
If you get that angry over someone spoiling "secrets" in the internet about the game, why are you even discussing it?
695069 No.13622441
>>13622039
You're still going to have to have an installation and call for information from the server, anon.
40ec07 No.13622548
>>13619106
There is just one viable way: Make it exclusive to non-breached consoles like the PS4. At least last i checked you can't get access to the files of its games.
793ffd No.13622667
Would it be possible to include a bunch of extra shit unrelated to what your doing to throw off data miners?
660e79 No.13622759
>>13619052
> We'll never have shit like mysteries, fake rumors, or that bullshit
There are a lot of fake rumors for Devil May Cry when /cgg/ was a thing on 4chan. This was the most obnoxious thing and one of the reasons why I don't interact with other Devil May Cry players or fans nowadays when previously I would be willing to.
40ec07 No.13622824
>>13622667
There's the original halo gun model in the files of Demon's Souls. Don't think it would "throw off" dataminers though, they are sifting through a lot of unintelligible data as it is.
8f29a9 No.13622871
>>13622667
Or just have data that looks like it's used somewhere else. One of the characters from Pokken Tournament wasn't revealed because the dataminers through it was an assist instead of an actual fighter.
f057fe No.13623186
>>13619052
I don't get your point OP. The devs put in the secrets to be found. Just because people either cheat or find them by data mining in a way that the dev wanted them to find it, the dev has obtained the goal of having the players find the secret.
>>13619119
That falls within the players getting smarter. The dev will need to find a way to hide things from the dataminers. I suggest some huge metashit like checks that make sure you're playing the game and not noclipping through shit.
0d5006 No.13623415
>>13619052
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be destroyed by the truth.
8b022a No.13623420
>>13619144
>I remember he got really angry and ranted on Twitter when he didn't win an award for Undertale.
Post caps you magnificent fuck, I gotta see this.
492e15 No.13623475
Games exclusively on unhacked consoles will be immune until it's figured out how to dump them, which could take years. Games which use proprietary compression algorithms, or procedurally generate shit like textures, would slow down autists. If an MMORPG dev cared they'd avoid sending secrets to the client. Wasn't there recently some MMO space game where faggots discovered unexpected alien life and then a bit later saw an alien ship?
6d2ff8 No.13623530
Nothing to be done about it. That age is over. Now we have cheavos, loot crates, gamer fuel, twitchfags, cam whores. You deserve to have your games ruined.
2f0bb8 No.13624136
>>13622039
That's literally how MMOs already work. Unless you mean "Make an MMO that doesn't store any files clientside", in which case you fuck yourself and your players over by having them constantly requesting resources from the server, nuking everyone's bandwidth. Which is fucking stupid.
c065ee No.13624173
>>13619052
No, I fucking hated the retarded superstition period of gaming where kids lied to each other about shit they saw. Now you can easily disprove retards who lie for attention.
c14e5d No.13624193
efca05 No.13624215
>>13621888
Yeah, but not 4/v/ you faggot.
I like straight lewds, I'm okay with gay (2D) lewds, but for whatever reason futa is a massive turn off.
bfd9f6 No.13624271
>>13619052
Feelings of mystery and exploration, both in video games and the real world, were crushed by the information age. I can't think of a single urban legend or anything comparable that came about after the mid 90s due to how easy it became to mass communicate with others on the internet. Secrets and easter eggs in video games are no different.
aa155e No.13624292
>>13619052
>Has datamining killed exploration and secrets in video games?
No. Judaism did.
aa155e No.13624332
>read the thread
>a bunch of autists saying that they can't enjoy exploring games because there's a guide somewhere out there and they can't help but spoil their own fun instead of playing the fucking game
Yeah well nevermind you're all huge faggots.
c065ee No.13624340
>>13624271
That's called not being a child anymore you imbecile, this happens to everyone, not just in your snowflake millennial decade you spastic.
119a58 No.13624443
>>13624332
>The internet has no effect on the real world
Get a load of this faggot
I bet last time you went out of your home was to take a dump since your bathroom is too full of garbage bags and shit everywhere
40ec07 No.13624517
>>13624332
You have to admit its not the same if you have to keep yourself from looking it up. If it really intrigues you, you'll eventually do it anyway.
For example it's possible that there is some use for the Yharnam Stone in Bloodborne but someone has yet to find it, you don't get these kinds of mysteries with datamining.
aa155e No.13624577
>>13624517
Are you aware that you're blaming other people for your own shortcomings in general and weak character specifically? Don't get me even started on the whole idea of somehow forcing people not to do that like some communist totalitarian shithole dictator.
c065ee No.13624732
>>13624517
> For example it's possible that there is some use for the Yharnam Stone in Bloodborne but someone has yet to find it, you don't get these kinds of mysteries with datamining
Good, supersitious console shitters are obnoxiously stupid, and this kind of shit just leads to clickbait everywhere, especially on Jewtube. The fact that this is dead is objectively good for the industry, stop being a nostalgic fuck.
40ec07 No.13624799
>>13624577
Don't be so dense, you can shut yourself off from the world and say "Ooh, i wonder what happend in 1949 in China", that doesn't make it a mystery. It is a difference if you can speculate about it with others and no one actually knows it, or you're just not wanting to look it up.
>>13624732
>going to youtube
>watching that kind of content
Even more of these kinds of videos appear ABOUT the datamining results, your point is shit
5969e2 No.13624838
>>13619052
Datamining is one of the least cancerous problems to appear in modern games, and not worth complaining about. It increases the longevity of the game and gives people something to explore.
c065ee No.13624868
>>13624799
No, your point is shit, my still stands that you're a superstitious retard.
40ec07 No.13624914
>>13624868
Congrats on learning a new world, doesn't make any sense here though
ba1f74 No.13624921
>>13620624
Wikis ruined secrets and exploration if you have no willpower. Look what happened to WoW once wowhead was created, all people did was search the quest and beeline for the spot. Then that was integrated into the addons itself, so you really never had to think. Now almost every game has quest/objective markers so you don't have to think about where you need to go. There's no chance to get lost.
61da76 No.13624935
>>13619106
To avoid dataminers, you'd have to either create a difficult to decrypt game file, which BoI did effectively for quite some time, or you can have server-side content. You could also try disc-locked content, but that's even worse than server-side.
Other options include using seemingly ordinary objects to try something funny. For example, if you want bloody text on a wall, instead of making a texture for REDRUM, make 5 different letters and place them, thus making it look like something else. Obviously, a better example is needed.
Though the best way is strong cryptography. If you had something like Denuvo was day-1 in terms of difficulty to crack, and used it only to lock off access to certain files with no slow down
aa155e No.13624959
>>13624799
If you like unsolved mysteries so much, go dive head first into hardcore magic or hardcore science. Only primordial things can have anything mysterious about them, nothing that's been intelligently designed has any mystery in it, by the fucking definition.
40ec07 No.13625009
>>13624959
>hardcore magic
wew
>nothing that's been intelligently designed
How about human history? There are a lot of mysteries there, and its not primordial. Same thing goes for the creation of art, like the recent talks of a possibility of a second nude drawing of the Mona Lisa existing. So really that would also go for video games.
5f532b No.13625058
aa155e No.13625106
>>13625009
Little to no information is available about human history so it might as well been primordial, it's basically the same as the universe history except shorter.
>possibility of a second nude drawing of the Mona Lisa existing
Yeah I can imagine vagina-bestowed dumbfucks would make up that sort of shit just for gossip. Which makes me thing, is that what you're after? Just pointless speculation? Then clearly magic is your thing.
18c112 No.13625118
>>13624921
When the Archeage was released in Russia and someone made a translation patch, I had a ton of fun with a /vg/ group. We had no clue what we were doing, there was no wiki, no maps, nothing. Basic mechanics were spread by word of mouth. We manually combed the seafloor for wrecked ships because there were no maps of where they spawned. It was a glorious time.
It certainly helped that the game itself was gorgeous and the map was really well-crafted, with a fair number of hidden and comfy areas, and that you could go pretty much anywhere you wanted.
bfd9f6 No.13625121
>>13624340
>snowflake millenial decade
>20 years before current year
>not actually refuting anything i sad
>being this much of a faggot
New urban legends/rumors/etc were always developing and spreading since the dawn of fucking time regardless of whether or not people grew up. The internet becoming widespread is what killed it, dunce.
aa155e No.13625144
>>13625121
Yeah spread of the internet also killed the lochness lake monsters and yetis and alien abductions. Because it only takes one thorough debunking, and the more there are people the higher the odds of one of them being capable of producing such rebuttal.
40ec07 No.13625149
>>13625106
>Yeah I can imagine vagina-bestowed dumbfucks would make up that sort of shit just for gossip
The painting exists, the question is if it's actually her
aa155e No.13625161
>>13625149
My point exactly.
a40ae0 No.13625210
dd249a No.13625247
>>13619052
>"That kid" type of people can't make up blatantly false information and spread it to impressionable retards
Oh no, what a loss!
c065ee No.13625263
>>13625247
Didn't you get the memo? OP and anyone defending him are those kids
1e9d3f No.13625304
>>13624332
On the one hand, I agree with you because I never read guides or wikis or let's plays and don't spoil games for myself.
On the other hand, I'm a completely fucked up schizoid who goes for week at a time without seeing another human being and I don't care to socialize like most people do. So maybe "LOL so don't talk to anyone, asshole!" isn't a reccomendation most can follow.
90c103 No.13625350
I don't get this excuse. If the devs really want to do secrets they will, and you gain or lose nothing if some faggot ass streamer or dataminer reveals it.
Unless you're a viewer or follower of said faggot ass.
90c103 No.13625393
>>13625350
Get this fucking flag off of me
3beafc No.13625489
>>13621992
They don't do that, but the amount of dataminers that can reverse engineer compiled code and the will to do so is very very very very low.
>>13622548
I got the Dark Souls dialogue off of the bluray before it was released on PC. It can be done, but very few people had PC bluray players and time to work through the encryption and sort out filetypes as well as convert them into something usable.
05c1be No.13626202
>>13624959
This. Mysteries in games are dumb because they aren't real mysteries, but merely forced, artificial ones where the answers are not just unquestionably known, they're withheld for no greater purpose than the sake of being mysterious. That's the worst, most pointless kind of mystery, and I'm glad that the internet and datamining have ruined that kind of "mystery," especially in the cases where the mysteries were probably just created for publicity and attention. You want your game to get noticed and stay on people's minds for a while? Then focus on making a legitimately good game instead of some tantalizing fake mystique through vagueness and obfuscation. Tactics other than legitimate quality should fail, and if datamining can negate even one, good for it. Just too bad datamining can't also negate huge ad campaigns and press manipulation too.
65d7b9 No.13626813
>>13626202
Procedural Generation could be an answer but I even need to mention one big flop who tried it and failed spectacularly? Especially if you try to generate riddles instead of terrain and Spore-tier creatures.
8c210b No.13626823
It's the internet, not necessarily datamining. The solution is to bury the internet, and go back to distributing games on CDs (DVDs now I guess) and personal contact instead of forums.
b12b88 No.13626902
>>13619106
I think Undertale could be a good example of that, just throw in as much stupid shit as possible, along with the secret, make it LOOK like it could be some super spooky DEEPEST lore shit that's hidden away in the game, and watch as the retards flail about desperately trying to connect the pieces to a fake puzzle.
6070b8 No.13626930
I know this goes against the point of the thread, but did anyone ever datamine Shadow of the Colossus? That game felt so huge and mysterious to me. I finished it so many times but always felt like there was something hidden away.
b12b88 No.13627058
>>13626930
tcrf has, lots of unused shit behind the curtain, no bosses though, but plenty of unused/unfinished ares that were at one time suppose to accommodate them
64c712 No.13627155
8579db No.13627201
>>13622548
I saw a video uncovering all unused assets of Bloodborne some months ago. It's breached as fuck, mate.
26c80f No.13627334
>>13626902
And then you have the fake canon those retards came up with becoming the generally accepted canon.
65d7b9 No.13627494
>>13627334
IIRC Doctor Who writers decided to basically use some 1990s usenet fan theory to explain why he is called the Doctor.
73a1e3 No.13627514
>>13620820
>Name one way the internet has improved games.
It's easier to shitpost about them
26c80f No.13627525
>>13627494
In Undertale 2, Sans is officially Ness.
11bceb No.13627538
Well you can lock the games data down on certain types of hardware to prevent datamining, but then you get the autistic everything I don't like is drm except the identical thing i do like autists.
2f4e1e No.13627592
Absolutely. MGSV had a heap of theories going into it, then GZ came out on PC and gave it away. Luckily I figured out Medic was Big Boss before this, but this pic was undeniable proof of the whole imposter Snake/Boss theory.
4f55a2 No.13627670
>>13627494
IIRC, the usenet retard that posted that theory about why he's called the Doctor was actually Stephen Moffat, and he wrote his fan-canon in to the show.
Which to be fair was not a terrible reason for his name to be what it is, it's just Moffat writes like shit and completely ham-fisted the whole thing. It could have been done much better.
ddcec6 No.13627683
>>13619106
Self-modifying code and assets generated on the fly (you might even throw in a few XORs to fuck up dataminers). However, I don't believe that many game developers are up to the task.
f8a3b3 No.13627707
>>13627592
so they cut out some dudes working eye, just to help with ruse? thats fucked up
72a0de No.13627788
>>13621991
It's not always online if you only need to get the required file once anon.
dc22b8 No.13627855
Encryption is doable with online-games. You just fragment content in packages, encrypt them individually and only send the key to a package over once a player becomes elligible for that content.
You will still get guides on youtube&co of course once the first player manages to enter said content but it would kill the whole datamined even before release aspect
8c210b No.13627870
Also, remember that datamine can't find everything. There's been a 'secret' found recently in the NES Mike Tyson's Punch Out over 20 years after its release. So it's up to developers to create the kinds of secrets that datamine can't find.
b23adb No.13628352
>>13619954
One of my thoughts right now is Overwatch datamining. I don't even play the games personally but I'm really excited about the idea of using those hacks that let you know where everyone is in the map and combining that with somehow knowing what type of character they're controlling in order to create a heat map for each type of char in each map. Then, this radically shifts how everyone plays the game. Entering any particular region of the map increases your probability of running into a certain type of character. I don't play the game so I don't know how useful that kind of information might be in reality but nonetheless, I really like the thought of seeing it. Did you do heat maps for Warframe or something similar?
a6ae0d No.13628420
Datamining combined with the new instant gratification era killed exploration. Why look for something when you can just look it up where to get it exactly. Think about it this way, Dead Rising 4's super reaper weapon was tucked away pretty well considering the prerequesets. Thanks to the internet and every child wanting the new shiny toy so they can make a video and get a million billion views on their jewtube page we can no longer have fun things in vidya.
a6ae0d No.13628426
>>13627707
Nah, he just lost it when the explosion happened.
That said, you know they would have removed his eye if they had to and they would do it with a fucking smile because you are just a grunt.
193cc2 No.13628680
>>13621444 (checked)
They don't.
729093 No.13628783
The amount of people in this thread completely missing the point and saying stuff like "you're mad about spoilers then" or "just don't read the stuff that's posted online" is kind of sad. Are they underage or just stupid?
a6ae0d No.13628804
>>13628783
>Are they underage or just stupid?
>trw the children that had internet from an infant now vote
Sadly, they are no longer underage faggots. We are just old fucks seeing the world burn.
729093 No.13628895
>>13628804
I'm trying to think what's the most recent game that had a lot of rumors and mysteries about it and I think it was Dark Souls. And then the PC version came out and data miners did their thing.
The 5 big ones form my childhood were Pokemon gen 1 (I heard so much bullshit about it from kids back then, I didn't even believe shiny pokemon were a thing when gen 2 came out and a notorious bullshitter told me about them), OoT, SotN, GTAVC and GTASA. There were rumors about close to every popular game though. Like how to play as Luigi in SM64 or theories about a lot of shit in CS1.6.
I only played Dark Souls on PC and I went in blind so I had a pretty good time, felt pretty similar to when I played OoT as a kid. The difference was that when I was a kid I'd look up OoT stuff and never find anything completely confirming or completely denying rumors. Fansites and even official magazines talked about rumors like they were true. It was interesting, exploring that stuff by myself. But with DaS I knew that if I looked up anything online I'd find answers immediately, so I avoided any online information. Now imagine a kid in 2009 picking up Dark Souls and being engrossed in it. He'd look up dark souls stuff online, and even without complete data mining, autists and wikis would have already dissected huge portions of the game. This kid doesn't even know what's like, being lost in a game's mystery and chasing after rumors himself.
c4afdb No.13628932
>>13619106
If it can be found, it can be found.
a6ae0d No.13628953
>>13628895
>Now imagine a kid in 2009 picking up Dark Souls and being engrossed in it. He'd look up dark souls stuff online, and even without complete data mining, autists and wikis would have already dissected huge portions of the game. This kid doesn't even know what's like, being lost in a game's mystery and chasing after rumors himself.
As if I wasn't sad enough for my kid's future you had to hit me right in the feels.
0d98d6 No.13629010
>>13628895
>Now imagine a kid in 2009 picking up Dark Souls and being engrossed in it. He'd look up dark souls stuff online, and even without complete data mining, autists and wikis would have already dissected huge portions of the game. This kid doesn't even know what's like, being lost in a game's mystery and chasing after rumors himself.
>Buy Dark Souls for my nephew who lives in the fucking sticks
>His caretakers (Grandparents on father's side) are leery, but I tell them he can play as a cleric and they oblige
>He does go cleric
>Almost no internet connection
>Constantly calls me about his progress and how much fun he's having with Solaire
>He hits demon ruins
>Tell him he can save Solaire
>He asks how
>Only tell him it's covenant related
He's yet to find it, but he's on his third playthrough.
a152c1 No.13629059
>>13619633
>80,000,000 million
>>13621614
>>has something some faggot that plays with games instead of plays games ruined games
What language is this?
>>13628352
>implying people dont play every overwatch character the same way
729093 No.13629152
>>13629010
I hope that's true because it makes me happy.
a6ae0d No.13629213
>>13629010
>yfw he just looks it up while you are not looking
087b38 No.13629586
Post the Hex Maniac porn already you niggers.
dc7268 No.13630132
>>13620820
online tryhard shootans like Quake.
a6ae0d No.13630143
>>13630132
>the game that forced hitscan on us
Nah.
a152c1 No.13630213
b12b88 No.13631033
>>13627334
>And then you have the fake canon those retards came up with becoming the generally accepted canon.
That's why you make the fake shit as schizophrenic as possible, make sure absolutely NONE of that shit connects in any normally conceivable way, then kick back and watch the retards piece it all together.
Of course it won't stop the autism but it'll be fun to watch that much reaching and shit.
ed3cc0 No.13631258
just don't make the game interesting enough to inspire people to look for secrets.
3748f4 No.13631321
>>13619052
>Has datamining killed exploration and secrets in video games?
That, and the advent of YouTube and other social media platforms that disseminate at such a neckbreak speed.
Back in the day, certain secrets such as fatalities were purposefully kept hidden by the developers to encourage people to discover it all on their own. The earliest way that you would have found out how to perform a fatality in a Mortal Kombat game is by word of mouth, which game the hobby a sense of whimsy.
Nowadays, nothing good comes from datamining. By eviscerating a game's code and finding secrets, you either spoil a game's story content, which pisses people off, or find out how much the developers were locking behind DLC, which also pisses people off.
177ff0 No.13631344
I only play games so obscure nobody bothers to datamine them. There, problem solved.
e3303b No.13631393
>>13628804
>We are just old fucks seeing the world burn.
>mfw we've become those old grampas who go "back in my day" and complain about the current state of things
Maybe the world really is constantly getting progressively worse and has been doing that for decades. It'll just keep getting worse until nuclear apocalypse or something cleans the slate.
3748f4 No.13631435
>>13631393
You will beg for death.
But death will not come.
e31776 No.13632250
>>13624332
The problem is people talking about the vidya just drop the secrets like its nothing, which can be especially irritating when the flow of the conversation changed so fast to the spoilered vidya that you didn't have time to bail
c98fff No.13633272
>>13625149
Is this the original rule34?
40ec07 No.13633341
>>13627201
All these people do is cycle through all items that are in the game by manipulating exported savegames, they can't actually go through the game files with extractors.
b4c4f5 No.13641954
>>13623617
>>13627155
>have lurked here for a long ass time
>have never seen this image
fuckin' aye
>>13631393
People have been writing about "things getting worse" for thousands of years. Ancient greek philsophers did that shit all the time.
The only difference is, the way I see it, that we have never been so far ahead, with so large a disconnection with the skills needed to actually survive on the planet rather than just in a city.
Before, if "civilzation" was lost, you just didn't have paintings and huge buildings being made - that's it. Everyone knew how to hunt/farm/cook/build. Now, if youtube tanks, there is almost no fucking hope for survival whatsoever.
It's not that the human situation has changed, it's that the stakes have changed due to our quite recent mastery over our environment.
b1fab8 No.13646285
>>13621337
Eating utensils are restricted and regulated in the UK, for example it's illegal to sell forks to minors.
aad4d8 No.13647226
>>13624332
The thing is datamining makes developers less likely put those types of secrets into games because they know someone is going to dump it all online a day or two after the game releases. Look at how Sakurai wouldn't put the sub-space emissary in Smash 4 because he knew someone would put all the cutscenes on YouTube. I know it's retarded, but that's how devs think.
a152c1 No.13648108
>>13646285
Please tell me this isn't real