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 No.939919>>939968 >>940056 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>Chinese-designed "Dhyana" x86 processors based on AMD's Zen microarchitecture are beginning to surface from Chinese chip producer Hygon. The processors come as the fruit of AMD's x86 IP licensing agreements with its China-based partners and break the decades-long stranglehold on x86 held by the triumvirate of Intel, AMD and VIA Technologies.

>AMD's announcement in 2016 that it had established a joint venture in China to develop processors was surprising, but it yielded a much needed $293 million cash infusion (in payments based on delivery dates) for the then-struggling company, which had operated at a loss for the prior six quarters.

>As part of the licensing agreement, AMD established a joint venture (JV) in China called the Tianjin Haiguang Advanced Technology Investment Co. Ltd. (THATIC) and agreed to license its x86 and SoC IP for chip development. THATIC consists of AMD and both public and private Chinese companies, including the Chinese Academy of Sciences that is heavily influenced by the Chinese government.

>And thus, AMD's licensing of the x86 IP stays within the legal boundaries. According to the agreement, the final products can only be sold within China's borders. That opens up a huge opportunity for AMD via royalties due to the exploding China data center market, but potentially serves a blow to Intel due to the Chinese governments' influence: China has invested heavily in native chip producers through its Made In China 2025 initiative and also offers incentives and other measures to prop up domestic chip production.

AMD managed to get around the x86 licensing restrictions, Intel truly BTFO since they still can't sell server CPUs to China.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/china-zen-x86-processor-dryhana,37417.html

https://archive.fo/8Ggkw

Its interesting to see China start to fall in line with the west in regards to respecting IP, the Chinese could have easily just stolen the IP from AMD but instead licensed it through a joint venture.

 No.939947>>939951 >>939969 >>940023

I interpret this as the fear of AMD executives in regards of x86 becoming irrelevant by the end of next decade and leaving it's place to it's successors ARM and RISC-V.


 No.939951>>939969

>>939947

What about POWER?


 No.939968>>939969 >>940023 >>940292

>>939919 (OP)

and how would they steal it from amd?


 No.939969>>940056

>>939968

They already stolen the technology, this is merely a license for producing it.

>>939947

I thought the same, x86 is dying.

>>939951

My dick is doing fine.


 No.940023>>940522

>>939968

>and how would they steal it from amd?

Corporate espionage is rife in the tech sector, any company with IP worth stealing has to be careful who the hire. All it would take is an employee walking out of AMD with a USB drive containing a copy of the HDL repo and the IP is stolen.

>>939947

>I interpret this as the fear of AMD executives in regards of x86 becoming irrelevant by the end of next decade and leaving it's place to it's successors ARM and RISC-V.

In the server market maybe. x86 is still quite entrenched in the consumer desktop market and will remain there for a long time unless something radically better comes along, which ARM and RISC-V aren't.


 No.940056

>>939919 (OP)

how long till it's stolen?

>>939969

>They already stolen the technology, this is merely a license for producing it.

ah


 No.940292

>>939968

I doubt a chinese company capable of producing advanced hardware would do it.

If we were talking simple ASICs yeah they do it all the time.

We have to remember the amount of companies that manufacture in Taiwan through TSMC and that never happened there.


 No.940522

>>940023

It also has to be compatible with x86 and x64, because nobody is comma jump ship if all the software they use is unavailable.


 No.940524>>940530

x86 is either Israeli or chink. Abandon ship.


 No.940530>>940542

>>940524

It's for China market exclusively.


 No.940542

>>940530

>It's for China market exclusively.

So are a lot of things on Amazon, Ebay and AliExpress.


 No.940638>>940679 >>940681

The only good that can come from this is if it motivates Europe to start funding their own research and manufacturing.

>Lets move more of our Industry and Knowledge to China

>what can possibly go wrong...


 No.940665>>940674

New non-psp chips?


 No.940674

>>940665

That's a good question, if they don't have PSP they might be worth buying.


 No.940679

>>940638

>Europe

You mean Germany because they are the only country that would be able to pull it off.


 No.940681

>>940638

>Lets move more of our Industry and Knowledge to China

You mean

<Lets move more of our Industry and Knowledge to Israel




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