/tech/ - Technology★

Telegram and Fedi

That's pmuch it for me

Whatsapp, duhh?

>>939336

What's fedi? You think it's gonna be popular?

I see a lot of programs / protocols mentioned these days. Seems every day they come and go. So what's reliable?

>>939339

Look man you can either have something thats secure, or something thats free of pedos. Real security means pedos, drug dealers, and terrorists are safe.

>>939339

So Tox is still relevant then?

What about Matrix, Signal, Riot...

>>939341

Signal works well but is very tied to phone, and can only the single centralized server.

Tox is still chugging along but with very slow development.

>>939340

true. Just wanted to spread the word that tox is used by them. Whether you take that as a reason to stay away because of the typical clientele, or take that as a sign of its security and a reason to start using it right away is up to you.

>>939338

Fedi is a bunch of decentralised social network instances, here's some stats:

https://the-federation.info/

aside from forums, mostly meeting people IRL and email

>>939340

except most pedos use insecure shit and have -10 opsec. i don't care about post-snowden "privacy" software though so can't say whether tox is good

Signal because it's the easiest messenger for non-tech-savvy friends to use. I don't like that it solely uses phone numbers but that does make it simpler to onboard people.

Matrix (the protocol) is a pretty okay IRC replacement for projects.

Is use the special NSA data mining app. You should try it. Oh wait--

>>939390

>except most pedos use insecure shit

and?

Like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBxdgqyJsnk

Trying to disconnect from google and google chat. I only use it for like two people.

I need to set up an IRC room, but fuck, i haven't done that since the early 90s.

So guys, is XMPP "deprecated" ? I used to use exclusively that many years ago, but I lost all the contacts.

>>939418

come on.

It takes 10 minutes to have one running.

>>939419

XMPP is fine, but Google disabled federation. If your contacts were using gmail, then they no longer are accessible via XMPP.

I don't.

>>939439

You're communicating with me right now.

We all use Apple iMessage.

I use WhatsApp with friends and family. Calls for everything else.

How do you even make friends with people online these days? Most of these communication apps are full of shit skins saying Muh Dick over and over.

>>939456

Well, we're all here so we have a lot in common by default. Just a matter of adding someone then? But /tech/ies don't seem too fond of this "making friends" thing...

>>939457

How do you add people who haven't told you their usernames?

>>939458

You tell them, that's the point.

>>939459

Well telegram just asked for my phone number and to have access to my voice calls and text messages.

How about no?

>>939469

fuck telegram then, it's been suspicious since its creation

why not simple XMPP?

IRC and XMPP. Recently started using Matrix.

>>939475

IRc's problem is finding good channels. There's no easy way to search them.

>>939473

>XML

dropped

>>939495

What's your alternative to XML for instant messaging?

>>939512

literally anything

>>939513

>XML haters

that's not even a thing. _nobody_ likes XML. without even reading the rest of this thread, "it's probably something something XMPP has XML", and they'd be right, XMPP is hugely bloated enterprise crap. merely embedding an <img> tag into an XMPP chat is all it took to crash everyone's clients (over several different vendors) last time I checked

>>939512

userid:int32|msglen|msg

>>939518

Name something.

>>939521

Does that support images?

>>939442

:)

>>939529

json

>>939519

>_nobody_ likes XML

Because of it's rampant misuse. But instant messaging is one of situations where XML use makes sense.

>XMPP is hugely bloated enterprise crap

Won't argue with that. XMPP is trainwreck of 'extensibility'.

>merely embedding an <img> tag

Could you elaborate? Because '<img> tag' has zero meaning by itself.

>>939539

What's the least gay way to use it?

>>939535

>json

A little educational exercise: how would you express imageboard-like text formatting via json? Preferably In a way that highlight JSON benefits over XML

>>939543

give an xml example of what you mean specifically

>>939551

>OP is a faggot

><message xmlns="faggotschema"><b>OP</b> <i>is</i> a <u>faggot</u></message>

>>939553

sure anon that's easy

[

{style: "b", content: "OP "},

{style: "p", content " "},

{style: "i", content: "is"},

{style: "p", content " a "},

{style: "u", content "faggot"}

]

I remember asking a Tox dev what happens if two people share the same ID and he got angry saying "it's statistically impossible" or something to that effect. But then someone noted that you can copy your ID to another machine and use it. I think the answer was "it just gets sent randomly".

>>939556

> and he got angry saying "it's statistically impossible"

Yes anon this is a basic property of cryptography.

>hurr durr what if someone generates exactly the same 256bit number

even incrementing through 64 bits takes 100 years.

>>939554

>>op is complete faggot

>>[{"style": "i", "content": [{"style": "u", "content": "op is complete faggot"}]}]

At which point you are implementing tree structure on top of JSON. And being ad-hoc such structure lacks library support - for example you can strip tags from XML example without knowing anything beyond 'this shit contains text', while doing it with JSON based format requires knowing what "style" and "content" means.

>>939560

>such structure lacks library support

lol yeah no json validators exist

>you are implementing tree structure on top of JSON

its already a tree faggot. you are not implementing anything new here.

>>939561

>no json validators exist

And how validators solve task of extracting text from unknown document?

>its already a tree

Yes (tree of objects). And you make another one (tree of {"style"} structures) on top of it. While with XML you just use document tree.

>>939563

>Yes (tree of objects). And you make another one (tree of {"style"} structures) on top of it.

JSON is a tree structure. trees are a thing it does. there is no making it a tree, that's what json is.

>>939478

Well, I've been using IRC since I was in high school. And I'm 25 now. It's never going away. I have been using the same channels for over a decade at this point. Or close to a decade. I don't usually actively seek new ones unless I have a recommendation from someone I talk to on there.

>>939591

Whenever someone else provides an "alternative" to IRC it's never as good. In every case, it's always slower, not as portable, not as modular. It almost never ever meets my requirements. I'll be using IRC until I die. I don't think anything will even come close to it's usability in our lifetime.

I made an Amino account. It's so cluttered and busy. Is this really how people "build" communities these days? It's just a cluster fuck of noise.

>>939598

that's how communication works, anon

imagine the original roman forums

shitposts would spread forever

>>939600

I don't find that appealing at all. It's just a mess. Maybe that's why I'm a miserable bitter shell of a man.

Let's chat 713-645-5163

>>939616

The constant barrage of unsolicited advertising scams and the inexcusable fact that most service providers will not allow blocking unidentified callers really fucks that up for most people.

>>939334 (OP)

federated collective

Tox bud hit me up

1063984402ED12798F8BD04158BBF992FDD18E4E5462D1963B84FACCCFA70F57D2C49787D4C0

Bro just use facebook messenger. all the friends you have that are actually worth talking to you already have a facebook.

>>939334 (OP)

Wire and Riot.im

>>939469

> have access to my voice calls and text messages.

doesn't signal do they same thing to verify the sms code automatically? when i signed up for telegram i didn't allow that permission and it never asked for it ever again

>>939339

>Write a bunch of incendiary shit yourself

>Send it to yourself

>Screen cap it

Wow.

>>939756

Just go to https://toxme.io/ , click "Find some friends here", and take just 15 minutes or so going through them. You'll most likely find similar shit. Just checked now and there's one on the first page.

>b n g love almost all, english only,rape chat,extreme anal passion, love chaatin with other about same, love woman rape helpers, love all kinds of rape and rough play, young a fascination,love pics and vid , love chattin add me for some good kinky cht

xmpp + otr, with a little pgp thrown in there.

I mostly use IRC but I don't mind to switch to XMPP.

So is OMEMO and XEP Compatibility still a pipedream for XMPP? Just checked and saw that Xabber won't be implementing OMEMO for a long time.

>>939699

If I had a Facebook account, I'd use this. Facebook Messenger also provides end-to-end encryption. (You have to turn it on manually for every conversation though.)

>>940016

https://omemo.top/

>>940104

>end-to-end """"""encryption""""""

It may prevent script kiddies from reading your messages but not facebook. You have no control over the application and servers.

I don't have any friends so no.

>>940110

This. Skype is another example. It has end-to-end encryption however Microsoft can forcefully switch an account over to generating encryption keys on MS servers as opposed to the user's computer.

>>940110

If Facebook can read the encrypted messages it's not E2EE.

>>939334 (OP)

pidgin is deadware, wouldn't touch that with a nigger's dick.

https://github.com/tieto/pidgin/releases

>>940116

It's advertised as E2EE but nobody can prove that facebook doesn't have access to your messages. There is also metadata collection which in itself is sometimes enough to fuck someone over. I'm pretty sure that they store at least timestamp, source and destination somewhere. I wouldn't use it, if I had to send someone some data that could get me in to trouble.

>What's interesting is how easy it is to bypass the encryption. According to Facebook, a user can report an encrypted message if they believe it goes against Facebook's Community Standards. And, if a message thread is reported, "recent messages from that conversation will be decrypted and sent securely from your device to our Help Team for review. We won't tell the person you're talking to that you reported it."

>Those violations can include "bullying or harassment, threats, and sexual violence or exploitation." Also, even if a conversation has been set to self destruct or disappear, Facebook can still access it if it is reported. This is an interesting take on encryption and privacy, to say the least.

>>940119

>deadware

https://bitbucket.org/pidgin/main/commits/all

>>940122

OTR hasn't been touched in two years either, or did that move to bitbucket as well?

>It's advertised as E2EE but nobody can prove that facebook doesn't have access to your messages.

drop a URL and check for crawlers

>>940124

meant for

>>940121

Telegram, I run a group chat

t.me/@tech_chan

>>940152

Hi, comrade Durov

How are your (((cloud))) chats doing?

>I'm out of the loop.

You win.

>>940152

Joined, been waiting for something like this for a while, just never realised it

why would I tell you?

>>940250

Yep, I told you so.

>But then again, pedos aren't necessarily known for being good at privacy and security.

You'd think they'd be really good about that shit, considering how incredibly illegal pedophilia is.

>>940256

The rabbit hole goes deep. Looking through accounts, I notice a lot of them might be from Germany. You can see that from the fact that there will be an occasional foreign language version of this kinda sickfuckery, and it's almost always German.

>>939343

So tox is secure if normalfag shills convince people against it, hmm.

>>940445

A good way to tell shills apart from /tech/s is to ask them for evidence to support their claim against a product. If all they can come up with is b-b-but pedos use it (or drug dealers or terrorists etc.) chances are good they are a shill. With minor variation, this rule also works on politicians trying to get a new law passed.

Is it just me or am I the only one who doubt pedos will find any kids who use Tox? If kids are smart enough to use Tox, I think they are able to spot the pedo and report him, especially with handles like those.

I think you guys spotted the pedo-bots.

>>940713

It's pedos looking for other pedos to trade with

>>940692

Pointing out the tox meet group is full of pedophilies is a good reason to avoid it if you value not getting butt fucked by alphabets.

>>940713

Kids love pedos.

A while back Habbo hotel was shut down due to a pedo ring being discovered in it by the media. There was a teenage girl on the news talking about it and she said she knew of them and found it funny. They bait them and then blue ball them. Dodging pedos is part of the fun of the kids chat sites to them.

It sounds sketchy as fuck but I can see kids growing up on those services so used to pedos every where that it just becomes background noise they poke for a laugh.

>>940721

Sure they do that, I'm a moron.

Wouldn't want to give tech advise to them, but Tox is not a very safe tool for criminals. Maybe an officer should join the chat and scrape some IPs.

Tox with a few people I already knew and my own IRC network on my own server. Then of course there's email and occasionally Mumble.

>>939339

>being this blatant and over the top

Just sounds like spam and entrapment, honestly. Tox shows them your IP so spooks could easily use it for tracking people who think that being encrypted and p2p automatically makes it safe.

>>940363

This one just sounds like a scam

>>940314

>a lot of them might be from Germany

and this one reinforces the honeypot idea

>>940732

There was a story involving a pedo site on tor which the FBI was running for a few months.

Before the FBI took over the server, apparently the site admin(s) were talking to each other and planning to meet up. The FBI was monitoring them, but suddenly one of them started driving to the other's place, that or they both started moving to the same location. The FBI didn't know that they were talking through tox and when they caught them they were raping some girl. The FBI wasn't even aware they were using tox, and that's where the pedos we're planning the meet up.

How secure something is doesn't matter if no one is trying to crack it. Even better if they don't know it exists. Of course now they're aware of it, but considering how bureaucracy work it might be some time before some serious effort towards monitoring tox. Especially if the userbase is still relatively small and pedos are using technologies whose exploits they're already familiar with.

>>940771

>This one just sounds like a scam

There was actually someone on zeronet doing the same thing. Apparently it was a "Social experiment" to create a darknet market.

Though I agree that most of these don't seem real.

>>940771

>Valid data for not using a product

=not a shill

Didn't know Tox worked like that. Will scratch it off my list of chat programs to use for that day I find a friend to chat with.

>>940724

The Internet is full of pedophiles and yet, nobody says the risk of meeting pedophiles on the Internet causes alphabet soup.

>>939513

XML is pure evil. LaTeX > XML by far. R Markdown looks promising though

aol instant messenger

I'm using (trying to use) GNU Ring, but it is still hardly under development, and most shitty botnet routers ban UDP, but devs are going to introduce TCP support.

>>940152

link is now https://t.me/anychan_tech

I use Tox and the Fediverse. Both are super comfy and there's a lot of overlap. I mostly lurk because I'm shy but it's nice to feel part of a community like this.

>>941071

>Didn't know Tox worked like that

<He did not know p2p programs are p2p and "leak" your IP

Use tor faggot.

hexchat

>>939334 (OP)

Matrix. You'd have to be a dumb nigger to use anything otherwise

>>939334 (OP)

It has never been so easy to datamine, it seems.

Unencrypted SMS and phone calls with a prepaid SIM, only topped up with cash. Self-hosted email.

>>939539

>>943986

>matrix.org connects to (((Google)))

Two tin cans and some string

>>946497

It's called CDN for fonts. Not really an argument.

>>946497

>Gmail connects to Google

>Email confirmed botnet

Host your own homeserver then shekelburg.

what's a good terminal IRC client, I never got around to learning this shit but have been using IRC on and off for over 10 years because necessity

>>946529

Ma'fukn Weechat dawg

>>946497

Block google den sheeit

>>946534

ok cool I'm already on that learnin the shit.

Is there a way to get it to run in the background so that weechat will continue to run and be accessbile when I close the SSH connection to the SBC running it?

CTRL+Z aint doing it on putty

>>946529

firefox

>>946543

>>>/suicide/

>>946543

use screen / tmux

>>946502

I'm sure Matrix will turn out to be just as non botnet as all the other federated shit turned out.

>>946586

thanks man

Why can't you just use discord?

>>946705

Because people like not being datamined.

>>946710

>Because people like not being datamined.

Judging from the number of people who use Google services, Skype, Discord, smartphones and other botnet shit, your statement is incorrect. You might not like being datamined, but people in general apparently love the fuck out of it and want more.

>>946712

People don't like know they're being data mined would be a more accurate statement.

>>946718

People absolutely do not give a shit. If you ever talked to a normie you would know this. You can explain in detail and they don't give a fuck.

>>946718

Even when they know they don't care. I've shown people discord's privacy policy, I've highlighted exactly what kind of kikes discord is through the policy, they don't give a crap, they keep using discord. I see why liberals maintain power throughout the west, their constituents are easily, and willingly, conned.

>>946743

>>946741

There was a shit fit over facebook privacy recently and a few other things. It's just not one of their big issues since they assume it's happening and there's no way to avoid it (mostly true)

>>946747

>There was a shit fit over facebook privacy recently and a few other things.

Yeah and you know what know how many of those fucks still use it?

>>946749

Yea, I'm one of them :^)

>>946760

Your very presence disgusts me. You should go back, you have some comments to like and data to be stolen.

>>946762

I'm browsing r/4chan right now. Can't I go back later?

>>946618

Usenet = not botnet

Fido = not botnet

Email = not botnet (except for google/corp walled garden)

XMPP = not botnet (except for cuck licensed protocol and servers resulted in walled gardens like whatsapp, google talk and telegram)

NNTPChan = not botnet

IPFS = not botnet

GNU Social = not botnet

>>946775

Literally all of those are botnet for 99% of the userbases.

>>946712

>>946718

1) NPCs are not People.

2) I don't WANT to use Discord.

>>946788

I'm sure you can explain that assertion

>>946828

Sure. Every time federated software goes mainstream 99% of users will use one of a small number of super giant providers that data mine the shit out of them almost totally nullifying the supposed benefit.

Also

>IPFS

not federated

So, anyone got XMPP and want to talk?

I made a Rocket.Chat server which works for me. It more or less does everything a discord server does without the bullshit.

>>946747

>they assume it's happening and there's no way to avoid it

Yeah this is the mentally most people have I think. Even when I talk with IT coworkers if I debate something like google chrome being shit because of privacy they usually just retort with "every browser does that and there's no way to avoid it". People are also too lazy and fried from their 9to5s and social lives to get this deep into it but I think alternatives will start to become more accessible for at least more "nerdy" people. It doesn't really matter because these people are shit and don't have very good survival instincts, those skills mostly went out the window once society became a hedonistic comfort bubble you work and die for.

xmpp/otr/jabber w/e it's called

telegram isn't safe and signal requires a phone number, don't know any alternatives.

Has anyone tried mastodon?

>>948029

TBH I've spent a week looking for a browser I can use a vpn on and I've found very few real options. securing yourself online is becoming a real ball ache

>>948080

>I've spent a week looking for a browser I can use a vpn on and I've found very few real options.

Literally every browser supports using a SOCKS proxy.

>>948140

Indeed, but how many are botnet by default?

>>948142

>having a default search engine makes a browser botnet

>>948080

>a browser I can use a vpn on

You mean a fucking plugin? Nigger what are you doing?

Use a vpn concentrator like someone who cares about privacy.

>TFW you want to make some new online friends but every where is dead or full of retards.

>>948334

I have this same problem anon. My standards have also really raised over the years but when I was younger my standards were naively low.

>>948334

yeah and the retards always want to use discord

>>948517

This is a problem, everyone is on discord now and it is where everyone is finding friends. I have a Rocket.chat server but the issue with that is before I add someone to my server I want to get to know them first. Rocket.chat is server based like IRC, can't just add friends like on Skype or Discord. The other issue is where to even look for people, everyone on IRC is really boring to me, a lot of lurkers or people with nothing interesting to say, I still look around there sometimes and occasionally find decent people.

/g/ recently made an XMPP server

< /publicg@conference.yourdata.forsale

>>948535

I really hate their IRC but the imageboard can be good.

>>948535

Stay away from that faggot.

He's literally looking for the manga version of friends online and he talks all the time about kiling himself if he fails.

>>948548

nobody cares about you except blood and no one is going to form a relationship with you if your utility function for your future is fucking 0 and it's fixated on a special case of companionship

grow up

why was my post deleted, jesus christ

>>948561

Yes, because in the «real world» everyone is materialistic. Maybe you should stop assigning everything value and instead grow up to be an emotional and adult human being.

>>948572

Yes, because in the <<real world>> everyone is a fucking woman. Maybe you should stop measuring everything emotionally and instead grow up to be a rational and adult human being.

>>948535

If you're looking for friends on lainchan you may as well go make friends with /leftypol/. Same group of anime commies.

>>948572

Have you ever known a disabled person? No, of course you haven't, you're a weeb shut in. Maybe use your search engine of choice to look at how many disabled people end up isolated with no friends or very few friends because they stop being useful. No one goes "oh I love you for being you, I'll come visit every day!" and means it. You flake a few times and they ditch you. You say you're not able to help them with something and they get resentful.

No body likes you for who you are. They like you for what you can do for them and what you enable them to do. Don't believe anything else because it's bullshit. If you're a women someone wants to fuck you and if you're a guy they want you to do something for them.

>>948599

>>948607

Literal /r9k/ ideology. You cucks should get out of your basements.

I'd prefer email alone, because of how comfy it is to send and receive emails, set up mailing lists, newsletters, play-by-mail, etc.

>>948642

Real world ideology based on experience is not /r9k/ basement dwelling.

>>948648

Do mailing lists even exist in any functional way any more? I used to be on a hobby one but got sick of the guy using it like a facebook wall where he would do updates about his kids. "My kids finger painted a drawer today, I'm so proud of this carpentry!"

>>948652

No clue. As I said, I'd prefer email. But I can't find anything when it comes to email communication, which is sad. Email can be completely impersonal, or utterly personal at the flip of a dime, and that's what I love about it.

>>948642

back to reddit my friend

>>948862

What are you talking about? This is already reddit.

>>948652

>I used to be on a hobby one but got sick of the guy using it like a facebook wall where he would do updates about his kids. "My kids finger painted a drawer today, I'm so proud of this carpentry!"

You're leaving out an important detail. Were his kids sexy?

>>948653

You might be interested in https://delta.chat

It uses email for encrypted chat.

>>948548

>normie

Maybe it's you who should fuck off back to Facebook.

Besides, suicidefags with self-diagnosed MDD are worse than normalfags. Dirt on the street worth more than these people.

>>939334 (OP)

Hello Mr FBI

>>940314

Pedos actually have a bit of natural selection going.

If it's not secure enough to stay online it will be deleted. However unless they live in a country that cares they won't worry about jail

I want chat which free from moralfag cancer like you.

Like back in days when (image)BBS aka imageboard was a nice place.

Tox is compromised

Is Signal's dev autistic? So is the writer of this blogpost?

https://drewdevault.com/2018/08/08/Signal.html

>>953352

Prove it.

>>954446

tox leaks your IP

>>954447

lmao of course it leaks your ip

use tor with it

I chat on IRC mostly.

>>954447

>compromised

>leaks your IP

Congragulations! You've just found out how the internet works.

>>954487

Discord does not leak my IP (and therefore general location like my city) to everyone I talk to. Tox does.

>>954496

No, Discord only has your IP, chat history, and list of open windows going to the owner of the platform. Totally better.

>>939334 (OP)

cock.li XMPP or DRAS mumble

>>939336

Fedi is indeed bretty kool

>>954496

It's p2p. It's supposed to do that. That's not it being compromised. If you really don't want your ip to be revealed, you can use tor with tox.

Also, why are you fine with discord not only knowing your ip address, but knowing your friends ip address, knowing everything you and your friends have said, and being able to sell that data to companies we don't know about? You could use matrix if you want something similar to discord though.

>>954496

This >>954502. Just because your IP doesn't get revealed to the other end user doesn't mean it isn't exposed anywhere else in the network. In this case you don't have a direct connection to the user you're talking to but to the server providing the service. Use TOR, VPNs, Socks or whatever you feel like to anonymize if that's such a big matter to you.

>>946529

Irssi

>>939759

there are a lot of germans there. while there are a bunch of people who seem pedophilic, it's obvious that they're FBI.

>>939334 (OP)

Face to face.

>>939543

Like this:

https://8ch.net/tech/res/939334.json

>ctrl-f radio

>results not found

Seriously nobody knows how to use a ham radio? It's the original image board.

>>939334 (OP)

Don't use Signal, OP. Signal was found recently to not memset-to-zero its buffers for communication. That message you sent to that loli bitch; It's hanging out in memory, unencrypted and waiting for you to take a seat right over there.

>>954779

>/tech/

>having irl friends

gtfo normalfag

>>955169

You got a loicense for that radio?

>>955189

https://thehackernews.com/2018/05/signal-secure-messaging.html

with Bitmessage

Steam and discord

>>955197

>>>/v/

:^)

>>939438

>i have my own email server

t. turbo autist

>>939451

based af

>>939451

>>955217

1. Get an iphone.

2. Remove SIM card

3. Put SIM card in Android phone

4. Call carrier for IMEI switch

5. Watch iMessage shit the bed as it sends to your number unable to tell the difference

6. Sniff from your phone

7. ???

8. PROFIT

>>939456

I've actually sort of made some online acquaintances. I tend to hang around certain places and over time I meet the same people.

Generally I hang out here, lainchan, other obscure imageboards, ssh servers, and IRC rooms. Also I meet some people with their own neocities sites. it's pretty cool.

>>954556

>doesn't mean it isn't exposed anywhere else in the network

>Discord only has your IP,

yeah because one person knowing your IP is wayyyy worse than every person knowing it.

>>955169

>ham radio license

good luck have your home address posted online.

>>955538

This. Ham radio is a wonderful hobby. I've been a ham for years, but it is not at all anonymous. In fact, it's about as public as you can get.

>get Signal

>SMS people using it because almost no-one has signal and most of those who do are botnet'd anyway

shrug_emoticon.txt

>>955546

>I've been a ham for years

so is your name Bob Bill or Jim?

>>955566

Boar's Head

IRC for big, public channels

XMPP for small, more private channels

>Tox

/g/-tier meme shit

>Matrix

part of the webization of the internet (http-based), server implementations are still very lackluster

>Telegram

centralized, garbage homebaked crypto

>Signal

decent crypto, but still centralized garbage that requires a phone to use

>939478

that's actually its biggest advantage

anything that's easily accesible to normalscum turns to shit

>>956420

meant for >>939478

>>946747

Normalfags only care if they're told by media that they should. They don't have original ideas and start caring about things on their own, that's not how normal people work.

>>939334 (OP)

With my mouth.

>>958249

>Communicating with mouth === talk to people afk

kys fucking normie

>>954551

>tor with tox.

tor can be monitored by just holding 3% of the end points. using tox chat for a month will reveal your identity to the

cia niggers

>>940152

>Telegram

I love that it requires a phone number or is there a way around it?

>>939699

the best thing about facebook is that they ban you for sharing wrongthinkingTM.

I also like that they record and analyse everything you type

>>939339

>>939343

imagine being that stupid

<tox users are pedophiles

go back to facebook

>you can either have something thats secure, or something thats free of pedos.

I am not convinced tox it is the safest way to communicate because others can see your IP and that can get very problematic even when I dont use my home IP. maybe under very specific circumstances.

I believe that tox is one of the best chat solutions out there, everyone should use it with trusted chat partners.

the fact that niggers come here trying to label tox as a pedophile network shows me that it is a good solution - knowing that it is everything but a pedo network.

>>940250

NO ONE EVER USES THE FIND FRIENDS FEATURE.

TOX IS NOT A SOCIAL NETWORK.

the find friends shit is literally just for people who had their brain removed and bots.

its like when you ask for more hate speech laws after a rabbi sprayed some swastikas on his own house

>>939413

careful we still have gas chambers

>>939688

ip farming

>>953352

>>>> >>954447

>>>/suicide/

>>959387

>tor can be monitored by just holding 3% of the end points. using tox chat for a month will reveal your identity to the

Bullshit. You can monitor 100% of exit nodes and its fine.

>>959387

>Complete bullshit non-sense post

>Uses SJW language

100% trust worthy post. Must be an 8ch anon.

>communicating

hah gotem

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Wait

WhatsApp seems like the best option for talking to normalfags. They claim to be E2EE.

How trustworthy is it? IIRC it's close source. Any independent audits?

my adversary is untargeted ad tracking and general surveillance

>group of 10/10 internet friends

>they only chat on discord

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>960438

>Whatsapp

The Signal devs helped/wrote their encryption, so I'd say Whatsapp is better than most pleb apps. Don't forget "we kill people based on metadata" with either of these, though.

>>960447

Could you explain the metadata bit please?

>>960529

They know exactly who and when you talked with someone.

>>960534

I get that but I mean "We kill people". Are we talking Clinton style suicides? Accounts being nuked? What exactly does kill people mean in this context.

>>960547

Searx that "kill people based on metadata" and read the articles (and watch the webm in >>960538). In context, I meant neither Signal nor Whatsapp make any effort to hide the metadata about who you communicated with, when, and for how long. You'd need something running on Tor or equivalent to begin doing that.

>>959387

>I love that it requires a phone number or is there a way around it?

Of course there isn't, how else FSB is gonna monitor it's users?

>>940119

>measuring software's usefulness by how many commits the code base has

>>960632

>webm

I like the webm

>>960794

It's a very good indicator.

>>951034

Does anyone know if this is good security-wise? I've been testing it recently. Seems like a good replacement for SMS. It lacks calls and group calls, as well as file sharing so I wouldn't say it's as usable as Riot, Wire or even Tox. But as "just a messenger" it seems fine.

>>961026

It's passed an audit, so it's probably good: https://briarproject.org/news/2017-beta-released-security-audit.html

Ricochet isn't bad for casual discussion. I use it to talk to a BO about moderation stuff. I also use Silence on my phone.