No.932699
tbh, it would actually be interesting to see, whether in real life or at least a sci-fi type theory. Here's some thoughts I have on this:
There's the recent laws in the EU, the China firewall/botnet, the constant fears of cyber warfare, and so on. These sorts of things definitely seem like they could lead to such subnet splits. Laws in different nations or groupings of nations could become different enough to fracture them off from each other.
The question is: how will this split actually look? what groupings of countries will be involved in each? I imagine there could emerge a black market or some under-the-radar way to smuggle media from one subnet to another, assuming there is no legal way for people in different ones to communicate.
Let's assume that there is though. If there is in fact some legal yet highly limited, regulated, and probably very proprietary way to communicate across the nets, what would that look like?
Going back to CPU architectures and hardware, perhaps a long-term split may even lead to all countries settling on different stuff. Like instead of having everyone using x86 chips from Intel or AMD, and maybe ARM if they have a mobile device, perhaps each subnet will have its own standard. If not an actual standard, then certainly a de-facto one. Entire hardware platforms that could be region-specific. We've already seen Russia making their own CPUs, and I think China has been planning on doing the same sort of thing.
How deep could we go? would one of them eventually develop a new networking protocol beyond TCP/IP? Could it be that each net would be speaking completely different protocols at some point?
A lot of this hangs on the time frame here. How long would the net be fractured? If it's not for terribly long, then most of this stuff probably wouldn't happen, or would be at a reduced severity. However, if it ends up that such a split persists for, say, a decade or more, things start looking more probable.
This is actually getting kinda exciting, even as just an autistic theory. Shit, you could even make some kinda roleplaying scenario based on this
No.932710
It seems that the current USA centered globalism is shifting towards a multipolar globalism, with the formation of continental blocs. The "fight" in the deep state is a fight between these two visions; there is a part of the true US ruler that want to have the big part of the cake in the new world order, while the others accept to let the world be multipolar.
Now, regarding the formation of these continental blocs, that's exact same thing described in 1984.
So yes, I think that's what we're moving towards to: continental island, separated by an information wall. It's pretty much already the case, but you still can easely get your information from the exterior for a /tech/ illiterate.
For /tech/ user, it'll never be a problem, since it's easy to counter DPI (hiding your traffic behind SSL, wishing it's too complicated YET for the government to decrypt on the fly), especially if the state don't punish for that, like in China/Russia (yet, and obviously, if you're not an active political opponent).
Never forget that 1984, or Brave New World never were fiction, but political programs (Aldous Huxley family were globalists, Orwell part of I don't remember globalist group). The future is a mix of the two.
No.932713
>>932710
so you're saying 1984 WAS an instruction manual?
No.932719
>>932713
Meme aside, that was definitively the vision of the future of some globalists at the time.
No.932720
If EU Article 13 and 11 are passed, website owners will block users from the EU. It will be the reverse of China. Think of it like privatized censorship of the internet. The only sites that will be left in the EU will be the ones who can afford and have the technology to handle these insane rules, so Google, Facebook, etc. There will be no alt-tech in the EU very shortly. This will make the EU politicians have a very contained, easy way to manipulate the internet.
And 13 and 11 are going to pass, without a doubt. They're pretending this is for copyright, but the real goal is to silence any smaller sites from spreading opinions they can't control. Their goal is an internet just like China, where wrong opinions and things that endanger the ruling class are wiped off the internet. But they don't have the centralized power to make a "great firewall", so they're going to make it completely impossible for smaller websites to exist in the EU. The way this is written, someone who doesn't like an alt-tech or alt-media news site can just go to the comments section, post copyright material, report it, and get the site shut down. This is a liberal's dream tool to silence dissent with false flags.
EU is losing control right now, anti-immigrant sentiment is spiraling out of control, because Europeans can go online and see the truth. They will soon be able to go to these smaller sites, and go
>hey do you have the copyright to that image of a refugee committing a crime?
>oh you don't, here's your fine!
>what? You can't afford it? Time to shut down your site
Don't you find it suspicious that they make such a move to censor the EU's internet when Italy decides they dont' want any more refugees and they will ally with the other nationalist, anti-globalist blocks in the EU? This has nothing to do with copyright or intellectual property. It has everything to do with shutting down dissent of the EU, refugees, and other very unpopular EU policies.
Freedom of information is the greatest enemy of Globalists, they've wanted to shut down the internet's free flow of information for a long time. And given things like Trump, Salvini, Orban, etc, they are forced to play their hand. They originally planned on making the internet like Brave New World, saturated with so much time wasting, mundane bullshit that no one seeks anything important. But that takes time and is difficult. They are shifting to a 1984 method, a direct "shut it down" mode.
This will only escalate. It sets a precedent that the EU can control the content of the internet by making site owners responsible for the content on their site that other people post. So, their next step will be go to after comment sections by making sure that things like "hate speech" and "racism" are covered in a similar article.
No.932748
No.932759
>>932720
>website owners will block users from the EU
right, so that cuts them off from the internet of the rest of the world, or at least most of it, as they systematically shut down the communications of the opposition to refugees.
Refugees continue to move in, and perhaps that forms one of the subnets, made up of parts of what was once Europe as well as the Middle East.
No.932763
>>932720
Not every website allows public comments though. So those don't need to block anything.
No.932766
>>932763
Living in europe, I think that I'll start to use some obfuscation of VPN going in USA... Godness. And people were crying about the state of 2017.
No.932777
>>932720
>we banned you from using Twitter because we don't want to see how we're replacing you
I'm astounded that the Jews think this is a good idea.
No.932806
>>932713
I hate it, but even though you are obviously antisemite, it seems like now it is just too easy to believe that well.... you jew-hating-biggots were right all along.
No.932810
>>932766
>And people were crying about the state of 2017
A hopeful way of looking at the EU (((copyright))) destruction of Euro internet is, they wouldn't be pushing for this much control so fast if they weren't suffering defeats.
No.932811
>>932810
Certainly, but if they're doing it, knowing that the european union is gonna fall, is because they'll keep the laws for after. That was the same with laws being passed during world war 2, that was still in effect after the war.
They're fucking us through major events.
No.932829
>>932811
This is why we make a /surrender thread to see that we losing the fight against them. Its just obvious they won now.
No.932832
It will defacto be split into subnets since there will be no tech to broadcast over oceans with the bandwidth or accuracy required.
By the time the tech exists it will be too late anyway. There will be 1 rich family left fighting 50 billion cyborgs, and whoever wins, who cares.
No.932836
Finally one of tge few redpilled thread to see shit realistically. More people need to realize there is nothing to be done to stop this. All of /tech/ is just beginning to realize their loss and is surrendering before they get vaporised by google gods.
No.932840
>>932836
Indeed, although I don't agree with a total surrender. I see this as a discussion of what the world's gonna look like several years into the future whether we like it or not, and a way of mentally preparing ourselves for that world should it finally come to that.
No.932841
The moment furries can't share Sonic porn is the moment mass civil war errupts and everything goes back to normal.
No.932844
>>932841
Fuckin degenerate not even posting tails, gtfo
No.932845
>>932840
Cucks just gonna calling us cianiggers for actually being realistic of the world. Just watch them be in denial as theyre hopes are crushed by truth.
No.932847
>>932845
>actually being realistic of the world
this sentence makes me revolted and happy
No.932849
The goal is absolutely not to surrender; history will be made, and we cannot do anything about it. What is important is to preserve ourselves from it. It's to know enough to be able to be free.
In a war, some people eat, even get rich, because they knew the war was coming, and acted accordingly. If you're just one of this "sheep" clueless about things, then yeah, you'll be eaten.
I think that they'll always be ways to make our way through. I hope I'm not too optimist about that. Because when they're gonna truly use all of their surveillance strength and start spreading repression, then maybe it's gonna be too hard. Just look at some third world country with police that simply go execute some people in the night with rudeimentary intelligence compared to modern countries. Just imagine them with one of the most powerful and monstrous surveillance system.
God, future is not gonna be happy.
No.932850
>>932847
Me fucking too. It's like were the last smart people on earth.
>>932849
Future is as this thread described, no question. Sad that not many channers see the future like us do.
No.932852
>>932849
Are you drunk or just European?
No.932853
Itt Based channers from all over world speak of realistic futures and not fucking jack off delusion that think they can fight back.
No.932856
>>932852
What is drunk is people who claim that there is a ways to fight back the splitting of internet. This thread is the last here that sees global things with realistic eye.
No.932857
>>932853
1v1 me on Tradewars2002 cunt let's actually make a difference in this world.
No.932858
Some cuck probably gonna go 'well I just can vote my country out of eu XDDDDDD' But actual smart people see this don't work, cos theyll just be the same laws as EU.
No.932861
>>932852
European.
Anyone spreading the "surrend" thing are just shills. You never surrender, even if you're under occupation, and you're force to live under their rules. At least in your head and at home.
Don't be demoralised.
No.932863
>>932836
>>932845
>>932853
Oh look, this child is back here again.
<Some boards on 8chan might have content of an adult or offensive nature. Please cease use of this website if it is illegal for you to view such content.
No.932865
>>932861
Rejecting demoralization is how society got into this mess.
No.932866
Wow, there is a shill in this thread.
That's rare on this board.
Until they literaly block connection to external continent, you can still find a way. If it's just poor blocking to block the mass, you'll still be able to work around with, as I said, VPN installed on an exterior VPS protected from DPI by SSL obfuscation.
No.932868
No.932870
>>932863
><Some boards on 8chan might have content of an adult or offensive nature
Funny this thread is exactly that, at least to shits who still think that a difference can be made in this world, just look at the pirate parties aka controlled opposition who still think that art. 11 and 13 can even be stopped now.
>>932865
THIS
More people need to realise that demoralisation is necessary because it keeps expectations in check. Stop praying that things get better you fucking kids.
>>932866
>>932868
Right on cue >>932845
No.932871
>>932870
>More people need to realise that demoralisation is necessary because it keeps expectations in check.
This is the most retarded piece of text I've ever read. You seem to not know what is demoralisation, and a method of war.
Moreover, even if you're talking about normal demoralisation, what you're saying is retarded.
No.932873
Free trade will always be thing, especially in a future where there is only one global cryptocurrency.
So they'll always be a global network.
It's just that the split will only be a phase, and a limited one.
The matter is to control information, not to block every information
exchange between countries. That's why Russia/China/Europe now don't block connection to Russia, but ban "russian shilling" in the west, and the opposite. They obviously use that mechanism to destroy political opponent, and new world order opponent.
No.932878
>>932871
Accelerationists are retarded, ignore them.
>>932873
>new world order
The 70s called they want their meme back.
No.932879
>>932866
>Until they literaly block connection to external continent
Not entirely outside the realms of possibility.
No.932880
The Internet is dead. Long live the internet.
No.932882
>>932879
They'll block coms between banks? Between companies that are incredibly spreaded?
Please, be real.
No.932886
>>932878
>The 70s called they want their meme back.
You don't know what you're talking about isn't it?
No.932889
>>932871
Demoralization is a wicked weapon. It's an unstable, oscillating motherfucker. Demoralization is how the middle east became the shit-show it is today.
No.932890
>>932889
Why is this board pol. Why am I a retard.
No.932896
>>932889
It's not a shit-show, it's a perfect win, then you know what is the primary goal of the war in middle east.
Protip: Without the wars, a certain country would have been destroyed in a matter of days. If the wars stop right now, it's just a matter of month.
No.932898
>>932886
Sure thing buddy you and your stoner fags figured out the masterplan and amazingly it's the exact same plan your stoner fag parents thought too. Wow what insight.
No.932899
>>932896
Your white affirmative action doesn't fill me with hope.
No.932904
>>932898
You're wrong all along. I'm no leftie, and things are very complicated.
The only people rejecting things like that are simply ignorant of the subject.
No.932908
OP here. I have no idea what this thread is about at this point, but it's quite interesting to watch.
No.932910
>>932908
>but it's quite interesting to watch.
...yeah?
No.932913
>>932699
I think this will fail because history has shown that the book burners will always lose in the end. It might take years to win but victory is inevitable. The Gods hate stagnation and that is all the NWO is. The Gods are against these people.
No.932917
>>932913
You're entirely right. But god we're gonna suffer during the absolute dark times.
No.932919
>>932913
wenna da satire issa a priori al dente
No.932922
>>932699
that would be a really good thing but the jews wont let that happen
No.932925
>>932866
>Until they literaly block connection to external continent
<like China
I don't see them installing a separate physical cloud like the chinkish one. The amount of chinks using the net is centered around the shoreline. The rest of china is a rural fucking place of nothing but ricefields. Russia supposedly does what the EU wants to do and the interent is filled with Russians.
No.932926
No.932930
>>932913
Absolutely. The separation of the internet/the world hypothesized in the OP post would eventually end, as all things do. The question is, how long would it go on, assuming it happened?
>>932922
The idea certainly does go against the whole jewish conspiracy theory thing, because I thought the whole point of that is that they want to bring the entire world together under one globalist CIAnigger rule or something like that. This would be the opposite: a separated, isolated world made so by legislation and political decisions.
No.932932
>>932926
who needs arguments when you have parentheses 3-deep. It works for the Lisp fag.
No.932933
No.932935
>>932904
NWO was a plan. It died in Iran in the 70s.
No.932937
>>932933
Put your fagcode back on, cuteposter.
No.932938
>>932937
he'll get banned again.
No.932941
>>932699
>The question is: how will this split actually look? what groupings of countries will be involved in each? I imagine there could emerge a black market or some under-the-radar way to smuggle media from one subnet to another, assuming there is no legal way for people in different ones to communicate.
I'm waiting for something similar to image where some countries get a completely different news report on what happened and the public gets manipulated similarly.
No.932943
>>932720
>>hey do you have the copyright to that image of a refugee committing a crime?
>>oh you don't, here's your fine!
>>what? You can't afford it? Time to shut down your site
Who owns copyright to a phone clip? The media doesn't show this footage. So hence it isn't any copyright of lets say Jamal flipping a trash container and smashing a window. What are they gonna copyright, his likeness? Fuck off. If this is their plan, then it's a really shitty plan. It's unenforceable. The only way to do it is whit a bot, and bots can be fooled.
No.932946
>>932699
If there's a split it's going to be 3 groups. Every country will probably join one of these 3: Europe/Comintern/USA.
Comintern as in countries that were part of the comintern or comintern aligned, not a revival of the movement.
No.932947
>>932941
Yeah that's the kinda stuff i'm talking about. Each fragment would end up getting a completely different view of events, with the truth being harder to piece together due to the lack of communication between them.
No.932949
Will Oceania get split into the East or the West?
No.932951
>>932946
Interesting. That does leave out a few things. For example, what about places such as Japan or South Korea? I'm not an expert in japanese/korean politics, but they are certainly far from communist, and I can't see how or why they would become that either.
>>932937
no
No.932958
>>932947
It's already happening though. See filter bubble. Youtube is a great exemple.
No.932960
>>932958
I think Blender getting banned on Jewtube will be the straw that breaks the camels back that will begin to pop the filter bubble.
No.932962
>>932960
it will propagate through the house of cards like a fish out of water
No.933051
>>932710
>especially if the state don't punish for that, like in China/Russia
VPNs are explicitly illegal in Russia
>>932720
>EU Article 13 and 11
Trump gutted Section 230 of the Communications Act because "think of the whore children", USA is already there.
>>932873
>cryptocurrency
Will forever be a meme unless the transaction scaleability problem is solved
>>932925
>I don't see them installing a separate physical cloud like the chinkish one
<99% of normalfags never leave the big-10 sites
<90% of normalfags accessing those sites through phone/tablet apps instead of browsers
<big-10 sites already getting into the "ISP" business in 3rd-world, free access to their site but charging extra for Internet access
The future is now
No.933052
>>933051
>transaction scaling
Isn't that what HashMap has solved?
No.933062
>>933052
I can't find anything about this anywhere, sauce?
No.933064
>>933051
I swear that classic Apple symbol is always a sign of someone based who actually has knowledge of how things will forever work soon. Thank you for your service in actually redpilling the board population.
>>933062
Don't bother, it's forever a meme just like we agree crypto is
No.933065
>>933064
<trying this hard to fit in
Just stop man.
No.933068
>>933065
If your opinion of apple fanboys has >>933064 being serious then I'm envious of you. that seems like a fun mindset.
No.933073
>>933068
It doesn't matter if he's being serious or not. The vernacular he uses is what makes him stick out like a sore thumb and makes me think he's trying too hard to fit in.
No.933093
No.933118
>>933051
>VPNs are explicitly illegal in Russia
Sites offering VPN services are blocked. VPN traffic is not blocked.
>The future is now
<black market imageboards pop up around Europe
<anons start piggybacking onto the Banks network/military just so they can shitpost in peace
>EU screw us over even more by making the cloud physical
<based neets set out to find the fucking landline and wiretap into it so they can watch their anime at peace
>normies suffer
And they all laughed at us when we talked about OPsec. Illegal FTP servers are back on the board it seems.
No.933122
>>932699
>it would actually be interesting to see
No, fuck off. Worldwide collaboration would become nothing short of impossible. Also I hate the spic web. All they ever post is old, cringey, stolen or plagiarized, badly translated memes. Only good thing is the rampant amount of piracy because publishing kikes don't have as big a foothold here and haven't affected people's minds with their propaganda as much
Also it would be the software, media, and publishing industry kikes' wet dream: getting to gouge your eyes with geo-locked products and services as never before.
>a long-term split may even lead to all countries settling on different stuff
Fuck off again, I like my hardware and software to stay interoperable (though this could be greatly mitigated by free software and cross-compilation). The trend in spic countries is to offer "more affordable", stripped-down (read: SHIT) versions of products existing in 1st world regions (a la Windows Vista Home Basic and Windows 7 Starter).
And then there's >>932941 happening, so fuck off.
No.933123
>>933122
do you have any friends irl?
No.933127
>>932720
>If EU Article 13 and 11 are passed, website owners will block users from the EU.
I can only hope for that, maybe then EU would reconsider its decisions. It's like sometimes to make the government think twice you must make all the people in the country suffer.
No.933129
>>932699
The Internet is just a series of tubes.
No.933132
>>933123
I'd rather shitpost in a Mongolian animated picture cave than socialize with tech-illiterate kikebook and twatter-obsessed, kikeflix-watching drones.
No.933133
>>932699
Who wants to cringe?
No.933142
>>933133
Look at what this filthy Oceanian is saying about us, Eurasians!
No.933171
>>933133
Yeah, us euros may be fucked over currently. But that pales in comparison to those mexicans in NA and SA being only 56% white and 44 percent fat.
No.933219
No.933225
>>933219
If you're so free why don't you solve europe's problems, muttfag?
No.933229
>>933225
>waah! please save us, americans!
nope. we also have the freedom to not do that, sit back, and enjoy the butthurt
>>933171
Soon enough yall gonna be 100% muslim
No.933235
>>933093
Holy fuck, this actually looks plausible, though I'll need to read more about it to be sure. That said, I'm really more interested in blockchain-type stuff as a means of holding secure and trustworthy elections electronically, or constructing darknet sites, than making deflationary "sound money" pyramid schemes, so a cultural shift among devs is hopefully the next step.
>>933118
Sorry anon, if internet access is walled off, the only option will be the meshnet meme. And after that, if normalfags become lag-tolerant enough for OnLive-style dumb mainframecloud terminals to be accepted, you won't even be able to buy anything outside devkit-licensed turnkey systems with a general-purpose CPU or local storage to hack anymore.
No.933248
>>932720
>they're going to make it completely impossible for smaller websites to exist in the EU
They just want to scare people in to doing it. They don't have the ability to make it impossible. But if they can punish 1% or less in a way that scares everyone else in to compliance, they'll have won. Much like how individuals, sometimes just kids, were sued millions of dollars over copyright infringement cases for p2p to the point that enough people just stopped altogether.
No.933250
>>933229
>Soon enough yall gonna be 100% muslim
Not happening. We're already shutting down mosques.
Is it just me or all of the current cancer culture and politics originates from USA? SJWs, BLM, LGBT, antifa, 3rd wave feminism... Thanks to large US based tech companies, this shit tends to spread here and creates unnecessary problems. Things were a lot calmer before mass adoption of smartphones.
No.933251
>>933250
I'm not entirely sure. The Amercan left has always had this weird desire to be "just like europe" though. I'm sure the cancer is free-flowing at this point however.
>We're already shutting down mosques.
And hopefully the EU next.
No.933253
>>933250
>postmodernist relativist anti-structuralist crit-theory sophistsphilosophers all originated in continental europe
>"old left" (labor unions, insurrectionary anarchists, parliamentary commie parties) remain healthier in continent
>anglos regarded as bellwethers of grounded, materialist, logical analytic philosophy
>anglosphere is primary breeding ground and infection vector for sjws
Never really understood this either
No.933259
>>933253
It is in the nature of the white man to war with each other in any way shape and form imaginable. From the dust will arise new breeds of whites and the entire process will begin anew. Until there is only one.
No.933270
>>933229
What's wrong with Muslims? They share all of your values, they just happen to interpret a Jewish religion in a slightly different way.
No.933277
>>933270
>What's wrong with Muslims?
I don't like arabs. Would like em more if they were back to the oriental roots and never suffered inbreeding for 1400 years.
No.933278
>>932710
Multipolar is the vision of corporations that control thesr continental blocks. They used USA for last few decades to get to this point.
No.933280
>>932710
> Orwell part of I don't remember globalist group
He was a Communist, so the term you might be looking for is internationalist.
No.933284
>>933280
More of an anarchist, especially after having been the target of betrayal by Stalin's "communists" on the battlefields of Spain, which inflamed his lifelong hatred of both Bolshevism and fascism as twin expressions of the same anti-democratic tendency.
No.933286
>>933280
That's not the group I was referring too.
No.933287
>>933284
>More of an anarchist [than a Communist]
Next to no difference tbf, especially in the context of him fighting for the POUM, allied to the CNT-FAI.
No.933288
>>933259
Being the ruler in the darkest of age is not an honor, neither a mark of greatness.
No.933307
>>932926
they make so much money with the botnet things that they wouldnt want to lose that.
No.933314
>>933270
Their views are completely unreconcileable with anything believed by Europeans and their descendants in the Americas.
No.933330
>>933248
>Much like how individuals, sometimes just kids, were sued millions of dollars over copyright infringement cases for p2p to the point that enough people just stopped altogether.
Yeah, those random show cases of 12 year olds getting sued for a half a billion shekels in damages for torrenting Justin Bieber songs surely helped a great deal in stopping digital piracy!
If anything it'll encourage/force more and more people and businesses to move their shit over to Tor and such.
No.933333
>>933330
>Stealing is okay if you are 12
No.933336
No.933337
>>933333
>fucking a 12 year old is okay if you are 12
some people unironically believe ^
No.933341
>>933330
>12 year olds getting sued for a half a billion
<for pirating Bieber songs
Either Bieber is a bigger cunt than I thought, a sniveling pathetic shitstain too for being so assmad as to sue 12 year old for pirating his songs................or it's bullshit. How do you even pay half a billion in damages?
No.933342
>>933341
Justin Bieber cannot sue the kids, as he is not the owner of "his" songs' copyright. EMI, Virgin, Warner or whichever record company is behind him does.
No.933344
>>933333
>>stealing
Copying is stealing?
Get fucked kike.
No.933646
>>933344
>Copying is stealing?
I did not steal your world of warcraft account anon I just copied the password and then changed it.
No.933692
>>933646
But you didn't duplicate his account on the server, you simply revoked the original user's access without consent which may as well be considered stealing.
No.933706
>>932699
It already is because North Korea, Cuba, etc. I don't see any reason a bigger split would happen. What benefit does anyone get from US or Russia completely blockign communications from each other? Only maybe if nationalism became popular again, countries would become more isolated.
>There's the recent laws in the EU, the China firewall/botnet, the constant fears of cyber warfare, and so on. These sorts of things definitely seem like they could lead to such subnet splits.
They do? I've yet to see a concrete example of cyber warfare. Then again with democracy, things don't need to exist to be acted upon.
No.933710
I really don't have much hope for the internet. It's become yet another mechanism for governments to terrorize and manipulate human societies, for women to co-opt and appropriate subcultures that they don't belong in and sepia-toned millennial cuckery. We created the greatest system for the dissimulation of human knowledge in history, it was the greatest invention since the printing press and we use it's use like a sex-toy. There was never a greater opportunity for people to become more intelligent and wise than now. Instead human language has been reduced to incomprehensible drivel. Human emotion is now represented with small cartoon faces on a cell phone screens. A person only has a life worth living only in so far as it can be broadcast in public. The indefinable complexities of the human estate are nothing more than representations of representations on an urban billboard.
In a way, this all might be a good thing. These people can keep this fucking hellscape they've created. I want a new internet, and internet in the spirit of the 90s. Open, no censorship, no rules, no governments. I think with the technology available today it could be done. Satellites, balloon-based antennas, low-frequency RF, something. Because fuck this, I can't take it anymore. My GF is pregnant and my son will never know what we once had. He'll be another victim and there's nothing I can do about it.
No.933711
>>933692
>you simply revoked the original user's access without
Lol its just information he cant own it.
No.933718
>>933710
FUCKING THIS
Those saying we can fix this is fucking delusional. The new kids will never know what the old internet was like, and there's nothing that can be fucking done about that. There's a reason why none of us are trying to fix it.
No.933720
>>933710
>He'll be another victim and there's nothing I can do about it.
There will never be another more redpilled post than this. Expertly said anon.
No.933723
>>933720
please use a trip
No.933724
>>933723
>he agrees with someone else's actual rational view of the world
>UGH LIKE CAN YOU NOT ?????? USE LE TRIP SMH...
No.933736
>>933724
It's just the way he talks. I could care less what he's talking about. I just want to avoid ever having to read his underaged posts ever again.
No.933738
>>933710
>There was never a greater opportunity for people to become more intelligent and wise than now.
I can absolutly attest that this is wrong. The problem, as always, is not the tool, but the people using it. If peoples were good, internet would not be 1/3 with porn, 1/3 video games and 1/3 gambling.
If the power in place was good, it would not have used this medium to spy on everyone.
The problem never ever was the tool. You can apply the same to weapons.
>>933718
Seriously, even if you just believe in karma, you'll be punished for what you said. Spreading despair is the worste thing any human being can do. That's why in a tense situation, you have to shut down any retard who start to panic.
The problem is not new, and the censorship always existed, during the beggining of radio, or during the time of only newspaper, and before. But you're very naive to think that political resistants will simply disapear. They will always exist. And there'll be always ways to fuck up the system. Always. It'll be hard, but there'll always be a way.
Never forget that the truth is and always was in the books. The role of internet was to direct you to these books. Nothing else.
The one who search for the truth will (most of the time, with the appropriate conditions) always find it. I'm truly convinced of that.
No.933743
>>933738
>Never forget that the truth is and always was in the books
<I read it on the internet, so it must be true
<I saw it on TV, so it must be true
<I read it in a book, so it must be true
No.933745
>>933736
Stop redpilling them reddit niggers
No.933746
>>933743
I was just saying that you can access truth without considering these news technology. So if internet is censored, the problem would not be the material, but the direction. Not that you shall never watch the source out.
No.933763
>>933718
Remember when before Internet we were on Usenet, with real-name policy and "bans" that resulted in losing your job? Remember when Fido sysop could come to your house and beat your ass for shitting up his board with your inane posts and staying on the phone line for too long?
Young kids goth their sense of anonymity with advent of web-boards and dynamic IP ranges, around year 2002, as far as it goes when 2channel and DSL connections kicked in.
>>933710
ARPANET was never developed as "network for freedumbz and shiiet". Three kikes invented it specifically for military and government propaganda purposes, every protocol that emerged from it smells like CIA niggers miles upon, TCP/IP, Ethernet MAC, everything 802.x, unecnrypted links, webshit, tons of metadata, incestual reliability on 3 vendors for network backbone hardrware, lots of shit hacks like coming with short numbers because numbers are easy to memorize oh wait they're not and we're soon running out of them, so let's come with letter names controlled by central entity somewhere in United States of FREEDOM and then add 4 types of cryptographic implementations on top so that some shithole government won't sniff what porn sites Rakesh-Mahmood Pooloo visits on his free time, but when a corporation mitms them is somehow okay because they do what caching proxies did 20 years ago but 1000 times more complex for made-up reasons, and cryptographic content authorship authenticity is non-existent because who fucking cares if we secretly take control of the server and alter some irrelevant blogger's posts, and the list of fuck ups goes on and on and people like you do not care, and would not because all you think is good, is larping as ebin 90's cool kid accessing a remote computer reduced-permissions shell over telnet and then feeding it your keyboard typing speed patters, something what modern corporations spend millions of dollars upon by developing javascript beacons. Simply put, you-re deluded by culture of oldfags who didn't show you the whole picture and think that grass was greener back then.
By the way, I see nothing wrong with representing a facial emotion via Unicode-based cartoon facial emotion, although Apple came up with facial capture technology to translate between those, might as well exchange hand-drawn doodles how people used to in paper-based messaging days, but typing nigger face and gun is much faster and fits postmodernist world just right.
>>933636
>Reddit spacing
That's web typography 101 for ya, pal. No proper syllable hyphenation and word-wrap for 30 years straight. Try reading board posts on wide window or long posts for a while and you'll beg for reddit spacing or try to add a client-side CSS styling. See, I had to add double spaces in front of every paragraph to make it somewhat readable. Book press print shops fixed this problem 500 years ago: line width, hyphenation, tabulation, non-shit fonts. Modern web browser barely manages 2 of those thing properly while eating 500 megabytes of ram on one page.
No.933764
>>932699
Bad thing in general. It'd be used for general control. People should have left the internet alone. Still time to go back on their dumb ass laws.
No.933772
>>932720
The same strategy for all other media forms they have done. can't wait for that great day of fire. They all deserve it and it will purify them from their sins.
No.933773
>>933738
Karma is fake like kikes pretending to be a chosen people of God when in reality they are some of the most racist people on the planet. Despair is when a force comes and tells you what you can't do and controls what you're allowed to be. Despair is when the governments force their rules on you or when people go around shooting you. Speaking truth isn't despair, only to those who are guilty. Your day will come as well.
No.933789
>>933773
You're stronger than everyone and stuff, people thinking that actions have consequence are just weak, yeah, it's far tougher to think that you can do whatever you want at anytime.
God I hate this fedora bullshitry. When you say we're close to the end of the world, and that we live in the darkest of ages, they tell you you're cynical and pessimist, but right after, when you say that what happen in this life is not that important, that there'll always be light in the darkness, they tell you're weak to not accept the situation and simply suicide yourself.
Just die already.
No.933791
>>933763
I wasn't referring to the technology, which yes, was pretty awful, and it's still more-or-less awful. But its unfair to criticize the original creators of the internet for not doing things "the right way" to begin with. There was no way they could have ever anticipated what it would happen, and the fundamental technologies and concepts of modern digital security didn't even exist. It was really just a novelty back then. As far as governments go, there was probably always at least the desire on their part to "weaponize" the internet for reasons of political and social control, but it would have been next to impossible back then simply due to how people acted and the technical limitations.
Culturally, the internet, before it became DuckfaceNet was a far better place. There was an understating that it was a separate space from "real life" and a completely unique forum for human expression that wasn't just real-life 2.0. The ANSII art scene is a great example of this. You could communicate and express ideas that would otherwise have been very difficult or impossible in person. I was on 4chan in 2004 and it's impossible to relate what it was like to someone who wasn't there, because that culture, that "community" could not have existed anywhere but on the internet. It has no corollary in reality. Part of the whole point is that people have no idea who you are, and this has been been totally supplanted by insane narcissistic social cannibalism. Its crazy now to think that even back then you'd read a story from someone's life or someone writing about themselves and they'd never disclose their real name or location. All the time you'd see things like "So I have this friend, let's call him... Jim". Anybody who was in to drugs back then remembers "Asking for a friend". People were intuitively smart enough to know how risky publicizing certain information was.
No.933797
>>933791
These days, it's near impossible to create an account anywhere without having to give them your full name, address, blood type, names of your neighbors, a full list of your fetishs, your credit card, and signing over your soul.
No.933813
>>933797
These days, it's impossible to even get a job without a FB account. The tech monopolies nowadays have us by the balls no matter what. They already won.
No.933814
>>933797
No one force you to get any account.
No.933816
>>933813
No one have asked me my facebook account where I live. And seriously, it's so easy to give a shit excuse like you were harrased online, or give the recent Campbridge analatyca shit etc...
You're just this kind of faggot that prefer to surrend rather than actually do the simple thing.
Die faggot. You're part of the cancer of this humanity.
No.933817
>>933814
So you don't want a job or basic income or a decent living or any semblance of respect from people who matter?
No.933818
>>933817
What is this kind of bullshit.
I'm not from US, but in a rich european country, and maybe it's different, maybe at the exception of high tech companies, no one is gonna bother you with your fucking facebook account.
Yeah, you're gonna have trouble if you're a kid, by not following trend. But /tech/ is a not a fucking kid board.
No.933838
>>933817
What people who matter? Why is your employer demanding your submission to the Facebook terms of service?
No.933852
>>933813
>These days, it's impossible to even get a job without a FB account.
Oh, bullshit. Unless you're applying for a job as a social media coordinator or something like that.
No.933875
>>933816
>No one have asked me my facebook account where I live. And seriously, it's so easy to give a shit excuse like you were harrased online,
no, you don't even need to give an excuse. you literally don't need a FB account for anything. anyone who says otherwise is living in some trendy city where you can rent a shared room in an apartment for $3000/month and obsessed with nutech, like san fransisco, and mistakenly believes the rest of the world is the same as them
No.933891
>>933814
No ones forcing you to continue living. :^)
No.933897
and nothing happened to usenet or i2p at all since they were so irrelevant that nobody bothered to censor them
No.933974
>>933897
Right, I have deep hope that usenet will be back in force in the future.
What a crazy timeline we live in.
No.933975
>>933891
>:^)
Oh ok, that's the triplefag kid. I was hoping he got banned.
No.933976
>>932890
why are you even on imageboards
No.933990
>>933763
Nobody forced you to use your real name on Usenet, unless maybe you were posting from your school or work account. But if you paid the ISP bill, they didn't give a rat's ass what name you used online.
As for getting people fired, LOL. You could have called my job back then, if you somehow got my real infos (good luck!) and they would have given you lots of free shrugs. Nobody gave a rat's ass about what happened online. Unless again if you were posting from work account, and somehow made the company look bad. Or unless you were outright doing some very illegal shit. But if you're just talking about some dude getting pissed off because you said something mean or racist, well fuck that guy. It's his own fault for not using his killfile.
But now everyone's online (even expected to be online!), and everyone's looking at everyone else's posting history, and the culture is all fucked up with endless feminist and SJW posturing. So it's very different. It's kinda like if you moved from USA to DDR sometime between the end of WW2 and the fall of Berlin wall. Daily life would really suck ass and quickly become very tedious, because you just moved to an entirely different culture that doesn't respect individuals in any way. Not all cultures are equal, despite what those SJW like to pretend.
>>932810
Notice point #1 in pic. Apparently they think we freely talk too much. Now how does democracy work under these circumstances?
>>933718
People have done things. That's why you have stuff like Freenet, IPFS, nntpchan, and other such projects. But this is only the start, and the more they clamp down, the more people will resist. Because there's really no other option other than outright hanging the politicians responsible.
No.935022
>>933816
>>933814
>>933818
>>933852
I've worked in the "tech industry" over 3 jobs for about 10 years now, and I've never been asked for any social media account, but It depends on where you live. In Europe, and less "gentrified" areas on of the US, it's probably unlikely that you will get asked about your social media. However, this is heavily practiced in places like Silicon Valley and other tech cities like Denver and Austin. I have friends who have told me they've been asked before. I suppose it's easy to dodge that question or simply refuse to answer - I don't even know how much anyone cares really if you tell them to fuck-off in so many words. I don't have ANY social media so I really DGAF anyway. I know people who's only reason for having social media is just to give to employers if they ask, which is pretty bullshit.
No.935029
>>932720
literally a /pol/-tier conspiracy
this is seriously right up there with 'jews are plotting g to destroy the white race with immigrants'
No.935055
Seems like it. The idea of a unrestricted communications medium is outrageous to governments. In my country, judges become really really frustrated when technologies such as end-to-end encryption make it impossible for someone to comply with their court orders.
To me, there are two possible outcomes. Technology will either defeat any and all attempts at government control, leading them to give up on their efforts to control the internet... or the governments will chimp out and go full totalitarian in their attempt to maintain control of the network. I predict they will ban all effective encryption, thereby ensuring all national traffic is accessible to the government, and start either barring or deeply analyzing and censoring all incoming international traffic they don't like.
The legal nature of the internet is still weird to me. A "virtual life" distinct from the real identity is impossible since people are tied to the real world by their access points. You're subject to the laws of other countries depending on where stuff is hosted.
No.935061
>>935029
>reading what something does and speculating its implications on the future is being conspiracy theorist
Is it you, communist polish child? Your brain not good.
No.935071
>>935055
Your words are too true. Fortunately, for now, the laws don't stipulate on who can lease darkfiber or license open radio for internet transmission. In this case, it's all about trust. Do you trust the person running the network?
No.935085
>>935029
That's another subject, but the migration to europe is organised by open society funded NGO.
Now, I don't know if you live in europe, but if you were, it would be easier to look at the problem and understand better. There is war in middle east/africa since nearly 70 years, yet the migration only occur today.
Moreover, in my country, the migrants are mostly (by mostly I mean 90%) africans having nothing to do with the syrian war.
So I'm not a fucktard saying that you should not value human dignity and such, these people are used as weapon, and since i'm against gun control, the weapon never being at fault, I'm for a right resolution of the problem and not civil war; but there is a clear conspiracy, or manipulation, or "lobbying", or whatever novlang word that don't trigger you. The truth is that the european countries are fucked since a long time, and it's only today, where the walls start to fall that people start to considering the destruction of our countries.
>>935055
That truly look like it. I had hope what is happening in china will stay in china, but it'll just be applied differently. Just different form for the same medecine; they take pills, I think we'll take it in the ass.
No.935089
>>933990
>People have done things.
And it will never work, everyone agrees. See >>935055
>>935085
>>935071
for more redpill of what is really going to happen soon.
No.935091
>>935055
Every time I see someone thinks they can change anything about the split, I just send them this thread to change they mind real quickly.
No.935099
>>933789
>when you say that what happen in this life is not that important, that there'll always be light in the darkness, they tell you're weak to not accept the situation and simply suicide yourself.
This isn't wrong though. Looking at recent events will tell you you can't fucking stop what's to come. See >>935055 for just one examples.
No.935110
>>935099
It never was about stopping what was coming, it always was about reacting RIGHT about the events. If you don't buy into progressism, and you believe as I do that we live in a constant decadence (what was believed by traditional societies), then by following the most materialist, and I would say naive logic, you would kill yourself right now.
No, even though they were considering decadence, they were still working hard, still fighting. Because as I said, what is important is HOW. That's what makes civilization.
Even if the boat is gonna sink for sure, you're still gonna put the kids/women on top, and trying as much as you can, even if the situation is desperate.
What's why even if we're gonna end in a fucking orwellian/brave new world kind of society, and there is nothing to do about it, that's your duty as a human being to bring as much order as you can, at your own level, even if it's only in your own head.
You know the pun; “If you can't fly then run, if you can't run then walk, if you can't walk then crawl, but whatever you do you have to keep moving forward.” You're complaining about the world, but what would you do tomorrow, if your family die in a car accident and you're cripple for life? Simply suicide yourself and say how unfair the world is?
I actually think that we may build ourself a way before it's too late. You're not gonna tell me that no one in China have found a way to safely fuck the great firewall.
No.935187
No.935217
>>932806
Jew-hating-biggot here, can confirm. Yep, we right.
No.935369
>>935071
True. The network operator can't just passively spy on, record and/or leak everything you do through their network, it can also run MITM attacks against anybody connected to their network. This applies to ISPs and even home wireless networks. It's not like regular people are paranoid enough to pin certificates.
>>935085
>I had hope what is happening in china will stay in china
I once had similar hopes, as well. They were shattered when the western governments started consulting with the chinese to learn about their technology. The direction of the internet is painfully obvious. Encryption will once again become a military weapon. If simple math is so potent that it can defeat governments engaged in their usual policing duties, then it's only logical that they will attempt to restrict civilian use of encryption. I think it's just a matter of time and political opportunity now.
As governments lose their grip on their citizens, they compensate by enacting new laws. They require service providers to maintain logs. They develop covert network monitoring software. However, new technology always arises in order to subvert governamental measures. Tor makes it impossible to correlate activity to identity, despite connection records. Encryption makes it impossible to recover evidence. This technology subverts the power of the government. The measures the government must employ in order to defeat subversive technology increase towards totalitarianism as said technology improves. They just need the right excuse, the right crisis to justify the shift towards totalitarianism.
One day, we'll remember the glorious time of innocence and exploration, a time when the internet was truly global, a time when people of the world were truly interconnected. In the future, countries will act like biological cells. They will develop a membrane which will filter all input into and output from the cell. Only specific information will be allowed in or out of the cell, and it's internal workings will be somewhat of a mystery to the outside world. How will the sociotechnological viruses of the future operate? How will they penetrate these membranes? What kind of immune cells will be sent after them?
No.935371
>>935071
Even if a small group of people were to covertly lay fiber between their computers in order to enable free and unregulated exchange of information, it would still be nothing but a mere shadow of what we achieved in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. It's nothing compared to what bittorrent trackers that enabled millions of users from all over the world to share hundreds of millions of files among each other. The quality of the network is proportional to the square of the number of people connected to it.
I don't believe radio is an effective covert communications medium. While it is possible to encrypt the transmitted data, it is not possible to transmit covertly. You will be quite visible to anyone who's listening. If the government maintains a database of allowed transmitters, then your unauthorized radio transmission will stick out like a sore thumb.
No.935380
>>935371
>>935369
Based redpill walls. This is what we were constantly saying that cuckchanners that raided 8chan have ignored over and over. There is no hope for us anymore. What WILL happen is more doomed then you cucks can even imagine.
No.935382
>>935371
>>935369
And with that double whammy, the hopes and dreams of every last chanite have been shattered. The end of freedom is beginning.
>>935110
>I actually think that we may build ourself a way before it's too late.
The redpilled have completely disproven this. We. Are. Done.
No.935384
>>935110
>I actually think that we may build ourself a way before it's too late.
This post did not age well lmao
>You're not gonna tell me that no one in China have found a way to safely fuck the great firewall.
There are none. Fuck off with your lying.
No.935386
>>935369
>>935371
>nobody is even debating this truth anymore
>yfw even they gave up
Kek
>>933990
>That's why you have stuff like Freenet, IPFS, nntpchan, and other such projects.
All vaporware. Pull your head out of your ass.
No.935391
>>935382
>The redpilled have completely disproven this. We. Are. Done.
I wouldn't say it's impossible. I'd say it's conditional on governments accepting it.
Technology is more than capable of defeating governments; we see it again and again. Criminals from all over the world use phones to assist in the commitment of crimes. Governments don't like that, so they instituted wiretapping laws. They wish to maintain their ability to intervene in citizen's lives if they feel they have sufficient reason to do so. People evaded such laws by avoiding the use of phones, or by scrambling communications so that their contents were obscured. Still, scramblers are some quite specialized technology, from a time where encryption was still restricted to the military use. You simply don't see citizens using this kind of weapon against the government.
When people used the internet to commit crimes, government reacted in the exact same way. It instituted laws to make it possible to tap into communications in order to collect evidence as well as to trace their origin in order to establish who's guilty. However, given the nature of software, encryption and anonymization technology is not just available to anyone, it is straight up free. This changes the way people use technology in a fundamental way. When we have countermeasures that render those government methods of social control useless, what happens? Will the government accept this? Or will it become a totalitarian state that regulates everything, despite its own ideals and the beliefs of its people? That is the end game. There will be a technological arms race between citizens and the government, and the result will be either anarchism or totalitarianism.
This technology directly challenges the ideological beliefs many western governments base themselves upon. It will either make it straight up impossible for the government to police anyone who's smart enough to use it, or will force the government to regulate such technology in order to maintain its own power. We will see the true colors of our governments within our lifetimes.
The USA was once an example for every other country on Earth: this kind of broad wiretapping and intervention into citizen's lives was once unthinkable. It's been corrupting itself ever since; nowadays it's some kind of police state where citizens and the government are distinct entities, almost as though they were enemies. What will the state of the USA do?
No.935393
>>935391
> I'd say it's conditional on governments accepting it.
And they won't accept it, like you have proven. We're done.
No.935397
So if governments implement a way to restrict traffic only to certain servers either via control of routers, DNS or simply blocking certain protocols on certain ports one would have to construct parallel infrastructure.
Meshed wireless networks or custom wired networks with self made routers, switches and hubs seem like the future in the worst case scenario. We would have to build the physical infrastructure from the ground up.
Looks like I'm going to have to dust of my Arduino and get some electrical engineering books from the library.
Dark times ahead, anons.
No.935401
>>935397
>one would have to construct parallel infrastructure
It's certainly possible, but it would be expensive and would not have the kind of reach the internet has. Also, as a network operator, you will be subject to every single law the government has enacted regarding the operation of networks. For examples, you'll be forced to keep logs which will be used to shift the blame for crimes away from you and towards your users. It will add to the cost and without such logging you will risk having your network declared illegal. That's if the government doesn't straight up mandate that your network be insecure by default or ban it entirely as a pirate network, thereby turning your nodes into targets for law enforcement.
Radiofrequency transmissions are even more regulated than regular communications. You can't just make some hardware and start transmitting and receiving data out of nowhere. Currently, the FTC must certify your shit to make sure it works correctly. If you're found out, you will be fined for thousands of dollars. This is the reason why every single cell phone have a baseband processor which runs proprietary firmware and handles everything related to radio.
No.935404
>>935403
It's okay, at least death can put us all out of our misery. Most cuckchanners can't even accept half the redpills we're dropping right now. Bluepilled hopecucks have already left the thread for a reason.
No.935408
Don't fall for the fucking shills.
Even though they look like faggot just trolling this thread thinking back in their head that everything is awesome, that we're just paranoid.
Fuck off.
No.935409
>>935407
>I feel a fever coming on me,
>Burning out of control.
>And I hear nothing but the static.
>For years now there's been nothing
>But the static on the radio.
>If you can hear my voice outside these walls,
>If you can hear me sending out this message tonight,
>Then break the silence, send a signal back.
>I'm coming, all I need is a little guiding light.
>...If you can hear me.
No.935410
>>935409
Reported, fucking shill. Don't even try to derail this thread, fucking faggot.
Either a shill, either a fucktard with no fucking /tech/ skill that compensate by posting shit.
No.935411
>>935410
>mourning the doomed future that this thread has brought to light is """""""""derailment"""""""""
Enjoy your vaporware trash that thinks it can """""""""replace""""""""" the current oligopolies and prevent the 1984 future.
No.935412
>>935410
You won, anon. I think the debate is pretty much over. Only feels now, at least for me.
No.935413
>>935410
>>935411
Wait, what I mean to say is I agree with:
>935401
>>935391
>>935371
>>935369
>>935055
No.935414
No.935415
>>935401
>It's certainly possible, but it would be expensive and would not have the kind of reach the internet has.
That is correct and expected. In the worst case scenario building your own hardware and physically linking it together would be the only alternative the government regulated dystopian "clearnet" of the future.
>That's if the government doesn't straight up mandate that your network be insecure by default or ban it entirely as a pirate network, thereby turning your nodes into targets for law enforcement.
If things are going to be as grim as I expect them to become, non-government approved communication will be outlawed, probably from Layer 3 upwards. The only way to communicate in an unrestricted fashion will be using your own infrastruture with 10-15 people per subnet and working towards connecting to the nearest subnet with another 20 people.
Either that, or communication via government approved media but using steganography to hide data, or a combination of both.
No.935417
>>935412
Damn right we won. Fucking facts and redpill all the way down and everyone ITT is finally accepting it.
>>935415
>>935414
>>935413
>>935412
>>935411
>>935410
>>935408
This shall now and forever be known as the day that /tech/ waved their white flag, and accepted the future in which our beliefs are eliminated forever. I shall immediately notify the BO of our new goals.
No.935418
>>935405
Do not despair, even if the current Internet as we know it crashes and burns we still have the opportunity to build something new and better. The thought even gives me a bit of statisfaction. You might become the new pioneer of the Internet of tomorrow. A crapier and slower internet with about 100 users per country, but a unique and exciting one.
No.935420
>>935415
I can accept the feasibility of this technology, but it will still be quite limited compared to today's internet. How do you plan to route around nodes which failed and/or were neutralized by the government? How do you plan to extend reach across oceans?
Steganography can be useful, but just as important as what you're communicating is who you're communicating with and the pattern of communication. If some unknown element who never talked to you before randomly sends you a picture, it can look pretty suspect. Government can conclude there's a possibility of hidden data being smuggled into the user's hands. To prevent traffic analysis, you'd need to keep the network 100% busy at all times, even if all nodes are just sending/receiving random garbage data during unused times. You bet your ass your ISP would be royally pissed off if you did that, since you'd essentially be consuming 100% of your upstream and downstream bandwidth 24/7.
No.935422
>>935417
>I shall immediately notify the BO of our new goals.
>our goals
this board has a goal?
No.935424
>>935418
>we still have the opportunity to build something new and better.
It is doomed to fail, as many ITT have demonstrated. The blackpilled truthsayers have won the debate once and for all, and for many on /tech/, there is no hope left, only feels.
No.935426
>>935420
>I can accept the feasibility of this technology, but it will still be quite limited compared to today's internet.
It will most likely be severly limited, assuming the worst happens.
>How do you plan to route around nodes which failed and/or were neutralized by the government?
That shouldn't be too much of a problem if the node is part of a subnet which is physically connected using wireless tech. If you use cable, things get more fragile and complicated. You would have to build up redundancy over time and switch mediums as often as possible.
>If some unknown element who never talked to you before randomly sends you a picture, it can look pretty suspect.
You don't need to rely on pictures alone. You can hide data in text, video and audio. Peer-to-peer communition without prior contact would seem suspicious though. I guess this would be more useful for broadcasting messages in a discrete way.
No.935429
>>935424
Innovation and success arises from neccessity. Once you can only browse facebook, twitter and youtube, people like you and me will be so bored out of our minds that creating a parallel internet will be the only meaningful and fun thing to do. Transformation requires pain. The only reason why so many meshnet projects have failed and none have really catched on yet is because we aren't hurt badly enough, yet.
No.935430
>>935426
Wireless transmission will guide the authorities directly towards your transmitters. If you insist on going this route, you'll have to become literally russia and spam so many cheap ass transmitters they will lose hope of taking out all of them.
>I guess this would be more useful for broadcasting messages in a discrete way.
Yes. Also, only those who know the method, which is basically a pre-shared secret, will be able to understand the message.
No.935431
>>935187
>>935110
>>933990
>>933738
Well your little delusion trip died fucking instantly
No.935434
>>933990
>That's why you have stuff like Freenet, IPFS, nntpchan, and other such projects
All failed projects that nobody uses. Get over ypur delusions, the redpill won this debate.
>But this is only the start
Of the end of freedom.
No.935437
>>935430
>Wireless transmission will guide the authorities directly towards your transmitters.
That depends on if one decides to use pre-existing frequecies and channels. If the government will constantly monitor the entire frequency range suitable for wireless data transfer, then they will sooner or later find your transmitter. If they only monitor the frequencies they use in their transmitters you might get away with switching to a different one, perhaps in certain intervals.
Finding a rouge transmitter in an urban area would be a bit more time consuming for the government agents.
I guess we will have to see what kind of laws and regulations will be implemented and adapt to the situation accordingly. Once hardware implementing Layer 3 and 4 is regulated by the government, it'll be time to get creative.
No.935450
>>935380
>Based redpill
>cucks
>>935382
>chanite
>The redpilled have completely disproven this.
>>935404
>cuckchanners can't even accept half the redpills we're dropping right now
>Bluepilled hopecucks
It's time to go back.
>>935424
>blackpilled truthsayers
gb2reddit lamer
No.935471
>>935450
You lost the debate kid. It's time to accept that, and stop deluding yourself into thinking anything will get better.
No.935697
>>935386
Wat. Those aren't vaporware. There's people using them right now.
>>935434
Almost nobody uses them *yet* because the popular alternatives still work. If shit starts clamping down, you'll be glad to have them.
But the way you act, maybe it's better if you're just left out in the cold. Life is better without a bunch of defeatists trying to discourage everyone else.
No.935745
>>935437
It would be time consuming given proper counter-measures, but not impossible. You must plan for that, and ensure that the damage a seizure causes will be minimized. Ideally, you'd have hundreds of powerful transmitters that could be deployed in hard to reach places, maybe with a solar power supply, and then simply forgotten. You need as much redundancy as possible. It's still vulnerable to denial of service via wide area jamming.
It's not wise to wait for the government to do something before developing this technology. It may neutralize your capacity to do so in the first place. If you're serious about this, you need to start thinking about what the government will do in the future, and then defeat that today.
No.935802
>CIAfrican 56%ers try to ban Tor, IPFS etc. at the ISP level
>however the ISPs fuck it up and the software rollout is slow due to bugs and normalfag DRM streaming being affected
>anons observe the poojeet protocol
>develop steganographic obfuscation emulator that allows the use of banned protocols over the botnet
>said emulator has a higher performance than regular Interbotnets as it skips several of the censorship checks, to the point that some chinkshit hardware botnets start to use it
>anons train neural networks to confuse clearnet censorbots, scramble file headers to get past hash checks
>US government has to hire Poos to manually verify everthing
>Intel's latest fuckup exposes critical inner workings of the iME to the world
>Gubmint decides to go MPAATF on some random IPs in the northern midwest to prevent the spread of the iME source code, ignorant of /tech/'s GNUerilla stealth airship meshnet and local Streloks /k/amping innawoods
>ZOGbots get lured into an ambush and flee in a proud display of progressivisim, but not before trying to abduct some children
>video footage of the incident is spread across various hate networks, eventually reaching Jewtube
>ZOG begins to purge citizens who are suspected of having come in contact with forbidden knowledge
>White male nazi incel terrorists pop up all over the US countryside, blow up bridges and cut powerlines
>US Army tries to stop the terrorists on its own soil but performs worse than it did in Grenada, resorts to GBU-43ing random villages and towns suspected of harboring terrorists as usual
>normalfag landline networks crumble, electricity and water are rationed, the propaganda machine grinds to a halt as leftist population centers descend into chaos and the chairforce can't get its ebin lockmart cruise muhssiles to hit balloons carrying raspbis and high-gain wireless antennae in an efficient fashion
>taxes are raised exorbitantly and collected at gunpoint
>Poos don't get paid on time, censorship crashes with no survivors
>Democrats kill Drumpf and declare the constitution void because muh human rights or some shit
>Russia begins smuggling weapons into the US to assist rebels
>Second American civil war happens
No.935809
>>932941
Check the dates. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wsj-different-trump-headlines/
>Colleen Schwartz, the Vice President of Communications at The Wall Street Journal, confirmed to us that these editions were printed at different times, not in different markets. The edition on the left was published after Trump met with Mexican president Enrique Peña Nieto early in the day, and the edition on the right was published after Trump delivered a speech on immigration later in the day.
Print media has inherent flaws.
No.936044
>>933791
>I was on 4chan in 2004
4chan wasnt even the only english imageboard back then let alone the only textboard. Pretty much all the users in 2004 were from SomethingAwful's anime forum ADRTW after there was a purge for all the loli content and posters (before he became an SJW Kirtaner of 420chan fame got banned for that and more amusingly would talk about his thermite server of CP on /i/ a ton). The culture there was still very goon dominated since after all the most popular board was /b/ which was anime/random.
No.936165
>>932699
The internet is doomed. Funnily enough, in the future, the only way to have real communication will be to get away from all the technology and talk in real life (most people won't be worth talking to just like now, and the world will probably be even more overpopulated and with people that are even worse than now, so maybe you should stop needing human interaction, but even then you should still have access to at least one person that isn't a Stalinist NPC, maybe, if you're lucky). My recommendation is that you should hoard everything that you like and do everything you can to preserve it so it can be enjoyed later on, in a completely offline life, probably using old technology. I just want to prevent my own sensory deprivation when I end up becoming even more of a hermit since I won't even have the internet, in the future, though I guess there will always be stuff to do no matter what. Develop your asceticism as much as possible. Get used to the idea that everyone around you either wants to harm you or doesn't care if you're harmed.
Currently, the internet is already complete shit. The most valuable thing that will be lost is communication, but that is already limited by the infection of normalfags ruining everything. I will just keep hoarding shit and finding old websites on wiby so I can have something to read until it all ends. Just swallow every bottle of black pills that you can find and get closer to nirvana. Humanity as a species is demonstrably not worthy of existence. In fact, all life on Earth may be a reflection of the flawed system that can created it, and perhaps can only create monstrosities that cause suffering to one another, and nothing else. The only fear that you should have is that it may not wipe itself out relatively soon. Humanity is pretty much the planet's way of creating its own consciousness just so it can commit suicide. You should definitely never have children and extend this. It will only create more suffering, or more soldiers for Stalin's army. In fact, it's very likely that in the future, people will have totalitarian technology shoved in their bodies as soon as they are born, so there will be no escape. If you know what is going on and what the masses are actually like, you kinda have to be an anti-natalist and an anti-humanist. There isn't really another way out. Maybe you should just hope that another Carrington Event happens soon.
It's pretty much guaranteed that in one way or another, there is an infinite amount of worlds where life didn't go to shit. No reason to keep extending this system in particular, that is clearly incapable of ending well, when everything here has a good equivalent somewhere else anyway. If you can see the truth, then you can detach yourself from the cancer and avoid a lot of suffering and not waste your time caring about self-destructive zombies that are all the same, have no value and really don't deserve your emotional energy. Spend your time on yourself. Learn as much as you can so you can enjoy a more self-contained existence. That's all that really matters. Everything else can go to hell as long as people that refuse to be part of the system can be comfy and avoid suicide. As long as I can avoid other people and survive, I think I can handle it.
No.936243
>>936165
DING DING DING
You fucking won the debate. How the fuck do people debate this?
No.936244
>>936165
Post this shit every time anyone predicts anything else but thhe complete fucking doom that everyone ITT now roghtfully believes we will end up in.
No.936245
>>936165
>based anon posts wall of truth backed by undebated fact
>thread goes completely silent as there is no fucking way to speak against this truth
Is this anon the one that solidified /tech/'s surrender?
No.936247
>>936165
>tfw you're completely right about the future of this world
>tfw blackpill wins again
No.936248
>>936165
CONFORM
OR
BE
VAPORISED
No.936251
>>936165
>B-B-BUT YOU CAN STILL FIGHT IT XDDDDDD JUST LOOK AT THE PEOPLE FIGHTING BACK AGAINST IT THERE IS STILL AN ESCAPE LOL XDDDDDĐDDD
Where were you when hopefags got completely BTFO by this massive fucking wall of truth.
No.936254
>>936165
And if anyone is still still deluded enough to think this can be changed and that we can still make people seek alternatives, just look up "Baby Duck Syndrome"
Happy reading, and enjoy the new, hopeless life that you will live in with most of /tech/.
No.936258
>>936165
It's the truth, whether people like it or not.
No.936260
>>936165
Best post ITT so far
No.936262
>>936165
It's sad how you are completely right yet proplr will still be deluded enough to think we can fight it.
No.936263
No.936264
>>936165
THIS
The sooner people accept this doomed timeline, the better. Funny how we actual redpilled people come up with the most detailed and well-supported posts in the board, yet delusionsl shills can't muster a single argument.
No.936275
Wow this thread blew up.
>>936165
Agree. Now if only everyone here would just accept that.
No.936278
>>936275
Why? What does it buy you to have everyone "accept" someone's learned helplessness? Does it make you feel inferior to know that not everyone is so weak as yourselves?
No.936280
>>936165
/thread
>>936278
On one hand
>try to fix our current situation
>it inevitably backfires/fails
>you live with that failure for the rest of your life
On the other hand
>do nothing
>future remains the same either way because the forces guiding us to this timeline are far beyone our control
>smug self-satisfaction as you predicted this doomed world the entire time
No.936282
So... what happens to all the EU VPNs that exist mainly to "infringe copyright"??
No.936289
>>936280
The people who make these laws don't understand how the Internet works. There will always be ways to get around their bullshit. That doesn't mean it will be something complete plebs can do, but for technically-minded people, there will always be a way. Nothing is perfect, especially modern hardware and software. There will always be something to exploit and leverage to your advantage.
No.936313
>>936289
Don't fall for the incompetence meme.
The responsibles are applying laws they don't even write (sometimes, it's literal: the lobby gives them the written law and they make it as it is without modifying it). So them being retard don't even matter.
There is no incompetence in the law passed. They're destroying us according to plan. They're our enemies.
> That doesn't mean it will be something complete plebs can do, but for technically-minded people, there will always be a way.
That's for sure, you're totaly right. Don't listen to the shills in this thread. They're certainly illiterate.
No.936323
No.936337
>>936313
>The responsibles are applying laws they don't even write (sometimes, it's literal: the lobby gives them the written law and they make it as it is without modifying it). So them being retard don't even matter. There is no incompetence in the law passed. They're destroying us according to plan. They're our enemies.
>That's for sure, you're totaly right. Don't listen to the shills in this thread. They're certainly illiterate.
The latter statement directly contradicts the former.
No.936346
>>936165
Are you me? I've pretty much spent the last two years hoarding tons of shit and saving lots of money so I can seclude myself in a few years to escape this incoming dystopian hellhole that nobody around me seems to care about.
Can't really add much to your post but, having recently read The Industial Society and its Future, it's scary how right Ted. Just a few days ago I had to build a RFID zapper so I could destroy the antenna inside my new debit card since you can't opt out because of some European directive. Obviously I only use my card to withdraw money cash from the ATM, but what trully terrifies me is the ongoing push towards a cashless society.
No.936347
>>936323
Doesn't make him any less wrong. Everyone on /tech/ basically agrees with the premise of that post, and for very good reason.
>>936346
At this rate I'm not sure how the fuck anyone can have any hope for projects attempting to "re-decentralize" the internet and make it free for everyone. It's all fucked, and /tech/ is just beginning to realize that.
No.936352
>>933990
>People have done things. That's why you have stuff like Freenet, IPFS, nntpchan, and other such projects. But this is only the start, and the more they clamp down, the more people will resist.
Wrong. See >>936165
>>936346
>>935110
>I actually think that we may build ourself a way before it's too late.
Wrong, see >>936346
>>936165
The sooner your kind accepts the inevitable dystopia accurately forecasted by these two anons, the more likely you won't have to feel crushed and dead inside after your vaporware inevitably fails like many on this site have predicted.
No.936353
>>936347
>hope for projects attempting to "re-decentralize" the internet and make it free for everyone
It's not the technology itself that is fucked. It's the people. No amount of decentralization will help us here. Beside implementing sekret clubs I don't know what else can be done to salvage what good is left of the internet.
No.936354
>>936353
Indeed. Can you actually fucking believe there are still people who seriously think there's a possibility of shit like IPFS getting mass adoption and being used by anyone but the 30-40 autists on /tech/ who will be just about the only people who give a shit? Fuck outta here with that bluepill shit. Blackpill wins the debate once again.
No.936355
>>936313
>>936289
See >>936353
Nothing can be done to escape. They fucking won, and everyone on /tech/ should realize that.
No.936356
>when you actually believe that normies will actually give a shit about your shitty decentralization initiative but in reality the only people who care are fringe alt-right types
Face it we're completely fucked no matter what.
No.936357
>>936323
Doesn't make them wrong.
No.936358
>>936356
use this protocol goyim, do you want to make the internet censorship resistant? Who cares if nobody else gives a shit just let us collect data on your hate speech
[handrubbing intensifies]
No.936360
I officially declare this time the Summer of Blackpill for /tech/, discussing extensively how fucked it all is.
No.936361
>>936360
I sometimes bring this up to other boards like /v/ and /co/ and it's fucking hilarious seeing them writhe in denial whenever they hear the truth that nobody is going to care about their autistic shit that they believe will gain any traction.
No.936362
No.936391
>bluepill cuckchanners left the thread after realizing that their delusions of people actually jumping ship to their autistic projects have been shattered forever
No.936411
>>936347
>Doesn't make him any less wrong.
>>936357
>Doesn't make them wrong.
It's not what he's saying but how he's saying it.
>>936354
>>936360
>>936391
<Ha ha pills. Do I fit in now?
Just leave.
>I officially declare this time the Summer of Blackpill for /tech/
No one bequeathed you with that power, so stop pretending you are the voice of all that is /tech/.
No.936414
Don't answer the shills.
Just contribute to the thread.
Let them shill and cry in their corner.
Let's continue the important work while ignoring them.
To implement real solution, we need to access the gravity of the situation. Even though the simplest solution would be less technology.
No.936419
No.936422
>>936414
>To implement real solution
Which would be to go into hiding for the rest of your life, as multiple anons have accurately demonstrated
>Even though the simplest solution would be less technology
See? Even you seem to agree.
No.936425
>>936422
We get your point. There is nothing to do, everthing is doomed.
WE GOT YOUR ARGUMENT. NOW GET THE FUCK OUT.
No.936434
I come to offer a bruisepill, black and blue. The truth is somewhere in between the naive delusions of potential success shown by the hopefags and the bullshit hopelessness expressed by the blackpillers.
Let's get something out of the way right now: There is no way, in a million years, that projects such as IPFS and others are going to be widely used by the normie crowd. >>936361 and >>936391 have it right. This kinda stuff is just not going to gain traction amongst the masses, and will be limited to the autistic, not by artificial means, but because nobody else will care or even know about them.
On the other hand, I am quite surprised by the positive reaction to this >>936165 post, as well as the first response >>936243
>How the fuck do people debate this?
as if it's that hard to debate it. Of course the blackpillers will laugh at my attempts regardless of what I say, but here we go.
>first paragraph
Allow me to offer a quote from someone I can't really remember the name of right now. "The graffiti of the future will be IP addresses written on walls in chalk."
Autism is unstoppable, and as you suggest, it would be worthwhile to have at least one non-brainlet friend you can interact with regularly. I believe the world of the future will consist of 99% Stalinist NPCs, and a small but dedicated collective of autists who still care about the way things used to/should be. Look at desktop loonix. Only about 3% of the total population gives a shit, but they exist and are passionate about it. This number will probably never rise to become the majority, but it'll always be there.
>second paragraph
Half of this is depressed whining about "wahh humans are bad and stuff!" with very little substance, but looking through it, there are a few points to be discussed. On the subject of lost communication, what are you talking about? Are you referring to censorship of mainstream communications channels? Has it not come to your mind that alternative ones would exist in some way? They would never be popular, as the masses would be too hopelessly brainwashed to be convinced to use them on any larger scale, but they would be there for the previously-mentioned autists. IRC and Email are cockroaches. Newer shit comes out and people jump onto them, but some will continue to use these legacy protocols.
>botnet implanted in human bodies
It's called powerful painkilling/anesthetic drugs, a scalpel, and medical supplies. Use them in that order, preferably with a friend.
In short, the solution is to persist. To link up with others and make connections. To push forward with our projects and get others to join us, knowing both that there is a somewhat bright future for our kind, and that it will not be bright enough to save the majority of people.
Also, I think that this inevitable period of darkness will end at some point after a period of chaos, in the aftermath of some kind of civil war perhaps, as >>935802 suggests. As much as his post is quite memeish, I feel that it could very well come true in some way.
No.936437
The internet is being split up and we watch gleefully. To all you naysayers and doubters laying claims to encryption, looky here >>935328 and reap what you sow. Soon, you won't be able to access sites outside of your regional network without licensing and approval from your local ISP licensing board. Good luck.
No.936441
>>936437
Finally getting back to the point of the topic. In the future, we will have the "American Internet", which is completely separate and isolated from the "European Internet", which might be separated from the "Russian Internet" and "Chinese Internet". And until some further major event reunites the parts of the world, internet users from these different parts of the world will never be able to communicate with each other. Only amongst people in their own Internet.
No.936442
>>936441
This is true. The governments of the world are trying to corral their people into pins where they can only relate to others inside that pin. They won't be receiving dissenting or differing opinions from outside influence. The only people who will be talking across the internet like we take for granted today are huge megacorporations who shell out the millions of dollars that will be required to obtain licenses for conducting global internet trade.
No.936456
>>936323
Well, that would explain the amount of replies. I never get that much, and very few people actually read my super long posts. That's some serious dedication to samefagging, though.
No.936460
>>936434
>>936346 here
>The truth is somewhere in between the naive delusions of potential success shown by the hopefags and the bullshit hopelessness expressed by the blackpillers.
Hate to be that guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
>Autism is unstoppable, and as you suggest
Sure, I'm pretty autistic: I only use free software, refuse to use any kind of botnet, use Tor literally 100% of the time, have my on Debian mirror, run my own email server which is sitting literally next to me at home, destroy RFID implanted on my shit, spend more time than I probably should securing my computers,... but that doesn't mean people around you are. It would probably help having some anon to talk to IRL to lessen the loneliness no homo but the odds of that are extremely low.
>Only about 3% of the total population gives a shit, but they exist and are passionate about it.
Our kind is usually considered fringe. Even people who only use free software are considered "purists", so they might not be total sheep but I wouldn't really rely on them.
>Half of this is depressed whining about "wahh humans are bad and stuff!"
The behaviour of the majority determines what direction society moves. It doesn't matter what alternative communication channels you establish, they will remain a minority.
>Use them in that order, preferably with a friend.
>friend
If only.
>In short, the solution is to persist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNZrq2iK87k I know it's ironic that I'm posting a Jewtube video. I couldn't find it elsewhere, download it over Tor. Governments and companies like Faceberg and Jewgle have unprecedented capabilities to monitor entire populations, so unless you're not going to resist unless you're running some hidden service which will be used by very few people dispersed around the world.
My intention wasn't to blackpill, I really hope I'm wrong. A few years ago I was more hopeful, but having to interact with normalfags, the push to ban, weaken or backdoor encryption, the push towars being cashless, not being able to even walk on the street without being recorded from somewhere I realised the only way to be free from the incoing dystopia is to live off the grid (not LARPing).
No.936473
>>936460
>It would probably help having some anon to talk to IRL to lessen the loneliness
That's why I originally mentioned that talking in real life, away from all the technology, will be the only safe method of being connected to people that are worth talking to. You can still use old computers, but they will be useless for actual communication. Your life won't necessarily be terrible, that's not what I was going for. It may be pretty pleasant as long as you can free yourself from the Stalinist technology. In a society like that, people would compare you to the Amish, but you would still have technology, just not the new crap. Or maybe even new crap, as long as you can make sure that it's always offline.
Being completely blackpilled isn't necessarily all that depressing. When you take pessimism as far as you possibly can, it actually becomes indistinguishable from optimism, since the world deserves what it's getting, and is clearly asking for it. Our current society is already intolerable for me, so it's only fair that the people causing the problem should also pay for it. Even if you have to live without technology, that's not necessarily so terrible, since all this shit is very recent anyway, and people didn't need it in the past. Technology is only good if it increases your freedom. If it enslaves you, then getting rid of it shouldn't be a big deal. You can still read books and exercise, build random shit for fun and spend more time in contemplation, if nothing else. There are many fun things to do. I try not to worry too much about anything except survival. The future might kill me, but if it doesn't, I'll just try to enjoy myself and have some fun regardless of what I have to sacrifice. I only want the world to end soon because people being born in the future may not have that (or any) choice. Preventing their existence in the first place will guarantee their liberation.
No.936476
No.936500
>>936473
>You can still use old computers, but they will be useless for actual communication
the hell are you talking about? Like, Are 802.11x wifi cards and UTP ethernet cables gonna suddenly disappear into thin air or something?
>as long as you can make sure that it's always offline.
or modified to not be "stalinist". See Coreboot.
I was gonna go through the rest of this post, but tbh, I think you honestly should see a therapist. You don't seem particularly mentally sound, and I think it might help you. Take care.
>>936460
>no homo
>_<
>but that doesn't mean people around you are
exactly. And that's ok. Embrace it. I hope you find a friend somewhere.
Oh and just a quick tip: Use Hooktube instead of Youtube. Like this! https://hooktube.com/watch?v=dNZrq2iK87k
No.936502
>>936442
I think someone earlier made this point, but imagine people in each area of the world getting a completely different view of world events and news stories, as they would be unable to freely communicate across internets.
No.936503
>>936500
> >_<
Hi cuteposter, I thought the mods already gassed you.
No.936504
>>936503
nah i'm still here. Just hiding my gayness now because BO doesn't like me
No.936673
>>936355
Dude, we already escaped. That's why we're here instead of facebook and twitter. There will be other places to go, if this one gets shut down. The fact that most people cling to facebook and twitter (or even reddit and 4chan) doesn't mean we're stuck. They're stuck, but that's by their own choice.
No.936763
>>936323
What's with all these samefag blackpilling cuckchan shills lately? Another exodus after that one in January/February?
No.936774
>>936504
>Just hiding my gayness now because BO doesn't like me
Nobody liked your shtick.
No.936925
>>936278
I wrote many of the long "prediction" posts in this thread and I don't think you should simply accept what's likely to come and stop trying to change the future. I just think it's useful to try to understand the government's "psychology", so to speak.
The fact is the government simply can't tolerate the idea of being unable to intervene when it wants to. When encryption frustrates the government, it's reaction is akin to an immature child throwing a temper tantrum. When WhatsApp was summoned by judges the world over and told them the messages couldn't be decrypted, judges didn't say "oh well the messages are encrypted there's nothing we can do", they concluded the messages were encrypted because WhatsApp made it so, purposefully, in order to aid criminals. It's an affront against them personally and against justice itself. You can literally see the rage and indignation on their faces. "How dare this communications company disobey me? I'm just trying to investigate some child molestation. Why won't they give me the messages? Why would they protect a criminal?" That's literally how they think.
As technology evolves, it becomes more and more able to circumvent the government's power. Slowly but surely, the state catches up, demanding more and more access in order to maintain control. In the end, there are two outcomes: the government will become a totalitarian police state where even minimal details of people's lives are controlled, or the subversive technology will be so widespread and easy to use that it will be impossible to fight it.
Currently, threat models are all about securing your systems against automated exploitation and targeted cracking. They explicitly exclude state-level actors from the list of possible adversaries. Security professionals assume that it's impossible to defend a system against the NSA, CIA, FBI, GCHQ or any other state agency or police force or investigative agents. If you want to change the future, you need to start thinking about how to defeat these people. You need to start thinking about how to nullify their vast resources. It's a hard engineering problem.
No.936938
We've come full circle, there WAS regional subnets in the 80s. This is a good thing and anyone arguing otherwise isn't over 40.
No.936963
>>936938
While that's true, it was so because of technological limitations, not because of regulatory pressure. In the early days, people were not yet globally connected but they enjoyed freedom on the internet, at least compared to today.
Why do you think regional subnets are a good thing? Especially since the modern version is going to limit your access and be used to police you.
No.937048
>>936925
> Security professionals assume that it's impossible to defend a system against the NSA, CIA, FBI, GCHQ or any other state agency or police force or investigative agents.
They assume that because they start off with common, standard botnet/buggy hardware and overcomplicated OS written in dubious languages. They also assume that because they have a vested interest in the existence of bad, overcomplicated systems full of bugs.
No.937075
Apparently you can travel to the west from anywhere in the world without a passport and background check
God forbid being able to read some text from another country
No.937162
>all these defeatists
What compels men to rot away in a death spiral of Depression instead of acknowledging things for what they are and acting accordingly?
Going down in a blaze of smug is preferable to botnet thoughts crawling in one's skin for all eternity.
No.937174
>>937162
>50 autists from /tech/
>vs.
>3,200,000,000 people who don't give a fuck if they're part of the botnet
What are we going to do? Spam smug lolis on facebook? No matter how much more toe cheese Stallman eats, people won't disconnect themselves from the botnet.
>I can't get off facebook, because muh friends and family.
>I can't get off Discord because muh gay friends.
>I can't stop watching Netflix because muh gf.
>I can't stop using my botphone because muh convenience.
No.937183
>>937174
What is important is us first. When we're safe, we work to make more people safe. That's it.
You're right, you're not gonna work at the place of people. The only thing you can do is get educated and share what you know, to touch the people who might want to get out of the "botnet", but now knowing what to do.
No.947219
>>937183
Gotta get our own safe little autism space built so we can productively work to fuck up the dataminez and free the internet. I wanna restore the beauty that was early 2000s internet where we were free and able to do as we pleased without fear.
No.947220
>>947219
So what's stopping you from doing what you please without fear?
No.947224
>>947220
((( them )))
We live in an age where everything is tracked, monitored, categorized, and stored for future fuckery. I'm scared to browse or post to certain sites or say certain things because it'll be easy to figure out my identity if you're one of the many global passive surveillance systems that have so graciously offered to keep us "safe"
I want to go back to when websites weren't controlled by massive corporations but small groups of individuals who wanted a cool platform for interacting and sharing. I want to go back to the shitty yet original, thoughtful, and crazy content that came out of that era. Nowadays everything is controlled by advertisers like Google and Facebook who's algorithms promote only content they like forcing people to generate and consume more and more of the same corporate controlled bullshit.
The internet is no longer free, they've already taken enough control to influence the masses, have enough power to sway discussions in their favor, and can easily pay off any fines that come their way for their disgusting behavior. The internet is nothing but another corporate tool to keep the masses complicit like their precious cable TV.
This is why i'm scared, this is why I don't feel free, this is why I have to spend hours researching ways to hide myself better and constantly work to change my online identity. We need a new network, we need a bastion of freedom.
No.947225
>>937174
That's the fucking spirit
It's over for us. Give up hopeshills.
No.947244
>Will the Internet be split into regional subnets?
itd be interesting to see someone do a 51% attack on the internet i dont care what happens after that but itd be fun to watch the internet burn.
No.947257
>>947224
I understand that sites like Facebook and Google chatting services track and monitor the users on their platform. My question is do they still monitor and track you if you're not joined in their platform? I would have thought that you can just chat on any site that isn't associated with Google or Facebook. Usenet newsgroups still exist today.
No.947342
>>947257
Google has services ingrained in just about every website on the internet these days, every Facebook "share" button you see is used for tracking you, there are tons of shady advertising companies that collect your data in tons of crazy ways and sell it.
Every time you use a google service, be it an embedded YouTube video, some random api, their fonts, and especially AdSense it's used to track you. If you look at the traffic for some mobile apps these days you can see they use Facebook for analytics and have your data sent directly to their servers.
You don't need an account to be tracked, they just assign you a number and catalog everything under that. Facebook is known to build shadow profiles on every internet user so when they join their service they can instantly suggest people you know and serve up ads.
I'm glad niche communities exist but it's only a matter of time (if not already) before some group or organization infiltrates and changes the pattern of discussion to benefit themselves.
No.947347
>>937174
>He doesn't want to go down in a blaze of glory so he can freely compile 72 GNU/Virgins in Unimatrix Zero
>he wants people to disconnect from the botnet instead of disonnecting the botnet from itself by eroding its physical body
>he doesn't want to NEMP the continental US and make his Ancap fantasies a reality
No.947358
>>935391
Good larp 6/10 cyberpunk novel you have there.
The problem is you're missing one very important bit of information here. The average person is not tech literate. They can use a windows machine and the newest generation can use a phone and a tablet. That level of technology experience doesn't lead to cyberpunk stories of anarchy VS government power creep. The generation you're a part of grew up at the right time to be tech literate and learn to do things. The newer generations have flat screens they touch to make things happen. If it's not on the app store it doesn't exist to them.
The demographics of the citizenry also matter but that's another issue entirely.
No.947367
>>947358
This is what hopeshills don't understand. The very nature of Generation Fortnite is that they know nothing but the world inside their phone, and nothing else. We can fucking guarantee that none of them will ever experience anything else in their lives. They will outbreed us, and you can't save them. It's over. The masters fucking won.
No.947370
>>947367
>>947358
Generation Fortnite
<Our phones are oir lives!
No.947372
>>947358
>If it's not on the app store it doesn't exist to them.
And it never will
That's what makes them Generation Fortnite.
No.947408
>>932713
More like a dissection of the plan by a disillusioned globalist. BNW however, yes, it was.
No.947413
>>947408
They already won. It's over for us.
No.947418
>>947413
You can take your blackpills with you to the shower, Shlomo. Leave the clothes though, they might be valuable in need of delousing.
No.947421
>>947413
If they have already won then you lose nothing by fighting them. If they haven't won you lose nothing by fighting them. Your black pill argument is the prisoner's dilemma. The only good option is to fight them since there is no scenario where surrendering is the optimal outcome.
No.947477
>>932889
The middle east was always a shitshow. Only it didn't splash its shit outside of itself.
No.947478
>>932925
>The rest of china is a rural fucking place of nothing but ricefields.
That may have been true as recently as 15 years ago. These days, Chinese cities are booming everywhere, including deep inland.
No.947501
>>935029
So, a proven hard fact?
No.947504
>>932943
>It's unenforceable.
Oh, it's very much enforceable. They'll just jail a few random faggots under the flimsiest of pretexts, and every platform owner will start censoring his users like a rabid soviet apparatchik to avoid the same fate. That, or blanket-banning all EU IPs.
No.947507
>>933118
>VPN traffic is not blocked
Indeed. Its endpoints are just v& upon detection.
No.947510
>>933250
Sorry, anon. While USA has been the incubator in which the cancer was grown to humongous size, it was imported there from Europe. Frankfurt, to be exact.
No.947512
>>933341
>artists have anything to say regarding "intellectual property" they "sold" to their (((publishers)))
No.947519
>>933763
>I see nothing wrong with representing a facial emotion via Unicode-based cartoon facial emotion
>let's let jews at the Unicode consortium decide what set of emotions are we allowed to express
No.947527
No.947544
>>936323
Yeah, we noticed.
No.947546
>>936360
it's only one samefagging nigger you moron
No.947551
>>936476
>*spoken in a Quake 3 voice*
No.947617
>>947478
You mean bulldozing the landscape to build shitty sub-par housing that nobody moves into and falls apart in less than a decade?
No.947665
>>932930
Think not of what WILL happen not of what SHOULD happen but of what is ALREADY happening.
If you have millions of complete brainwashed idiots of FB masses and gym going goons, and you have growing but small groups of independent very intelligent internet users, would both groups want to be controlled by the same groups of old (CIA, holywood, trafficking) superceded by new (FB, alphabet etc) mafia?
Of course not. Therefore, before the world is able to catch up not just with the internet, but with the wisdom and power it offers, people will have to segregate, the irresponsible living as cattle under their old shepherds, while the rest of us, those who were both intelligent enough to use the new tools for enlightenment and intelligent enough to spend our life isolated from online communities will form the seeds of a new society. A new Republic of Letters. And if there is no way for the internet to shield us from the onslaught of the social engineers, we will form our own separate internetz as many and as protected as needed where we will help and inform each other, circulate the truths about all secrets that the social engineers had been hiding from humanity for millenia, and try very gently to awaken our sleeping brethren but not more than how awakened they DESERVE to be since in our understanding of human destiny choice and history as the internet matures, so will its online communities like any community and technology, we will realize you cannot save a person who doesnt want to be saved, you get what you deserve. Decades will pass but when the masses catch up with us we will be ready to lend them a hand.
No.947678
>>933133
Why the hell does anyone listen to this guy
No.947723
>>947665
Okay then Mr. John Galt, where the fuck do you intend to start your parallel society? How do you make it resistant to Democratisation®-by-carpet-bombing?
No.947725
>>947665
You won't be allowed to segregate. The moment you try and walk away to form your only anti-new world order group you will be destroyed by the new world order. Look at the way military force is used to destabilize nations which don't agree with the Israel/American way of life. They end up as war torn shit holes with zero stability and a puppet leader.
The only area this is even remotely realistic in happening is China but that isn't any freer than the West, it's just cheaper levels of corruption so the average western can afford the bribes.
>Decades will pas sbut when the masses catch up with us we will be ready to lend them a hand.
Said the white man to the African, the arab and the asian. Then decades passed and the African said wheres my affirmative action, the arab said bow to my religion or else and the Asian lowered quality and production costs so low it was no longer possible to compete and have any quality of life.
No.947732
>>947723
>>947725
Truer words will never be said by man
Face it, bluepilled, NWO is inevitable as fuck, and this is something that all of /tech/ agrees on. Anyone who actually believes there is hope for any of us just got a BTFOing of the highest order.
Now watch the hopefags never acknowledge these posts. We know they won't.
No.947734
>>947725
>You won't be allowed to segregate. The moment you try and walk away to form your only anti-new world order group you will be destroyed by the new world order
Why the fuck don't more people realize this?
This message has been espoused over and over again for months, by many /tech/ users, yet all of a sudden people claim it's all the work of a single boogeyman?
No.947741
No.947956
>>947665
>>947725
It is good for you to look at things in a perspective, something that cockroach social media dwellers do not.
How are you and I even talking? What does that entail?
I told you to look at the present. Things don`t change. Forms and opinions change but the essence stays the same.
Have you never thought about the fact that learning is not just about remembering but also about forgetting?
The Renaissance and the Republic of Letters were only possible and cherished because it was "impossible" and forbidden. For the last four centuries of antiquity everyone had every right, possibility and education to advance to the modern age. They had even invented the god-damn Aeolipile. It isn`t that they couldn`t advance, it isn`t that they didn`t want to, they just wouldn`t. (That tiny window of opportunity between what you want vs what you think destiny will impose on you - will. Wanting to fly to the Moon on silver wings is not the will to go to the moon. Your skills are determined by your outlook on life.)
Why? Because of their past, their past limited them. Everything was known, everything was discovered, there was nothing left to conquer. There were monsters where the sea met the horizon. What they knew actually hindered them.
That is why it took a millennium of dark ages to make Descartes an incredible genius to be cherished, instead of the next dopey mystic from Alexandria, not just in the eyes of the world, but in his own eyes. And as you learn something, even if it is old stuff - every time you learn it anew you learn more, you derive novelty from what is old. But to do that you have to forget. There is no other way. Here is an experiment for you. Place a person on a chair and play in a loop the recording of a single identical word to them for 10,000 times. At the beginning, tell the person they will hear a slightly different word each time. Ask them to write down the word they hear each time. Past experiments show people hear approx. 2300 words from a single word. Put a PC in front of them showing pictures. Note how what they write changes with the pictures.
I said people will be ready to be given a hand. Well, it took a millennia for the barbarians of Europe to be given a hand didn`t it? I said decades in the present case because everything is so accelerated.
In short, the collapse of civilization will help our cause and will help the establishment of organized groups with their own subnets. Nothing makes you jump off your couch like black helicopters. What is more, why the fuck are you talking about societies?? WTF, subnets cults?? I am talking about naturally forming groups of people like what we have right here. We don`t need to shake hands once when we have encryption. If pedophiles can survive for millenia hiding behind symbology and later behind "cryptic" pictures and posts, I reckon a few decent people can hide using encryption.
Remember, before you scream doom, nothing is ever the end, the fall of Rome was not the end, we are only dealing with people catching up with other people
Saying something you want is impossible limits your outlook, even if it is a fact.
Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
What does it tell you that over time, there are two(maybe more) groups persistent here on this board, some optimistic and some pessimistic?
No.947958
>>947225
Why haven't you killed yourself yet?
No.948005
>>947956
also, pessimists on this issue call for a "save yourself" type of mentality, but under some circumstances survival in a group is the best way to go, not everyone against the system has the best chances of survival alone and isolated, meaning that people will fight to create and sustain subnets. even the system itself will have subnets or is probably building such already(what`s will all the revelations from social media etc.) these system subnets will sometimes interface with the anti-system subnets, some will go rogue and vice versa
No.950976
>>936441
So, once again, Best Korea is ahead of the curve?
No.951476
>>932710
>implying these fuckers won't get beheaded in the streets ala french revolution
No matter their positions of power, they'll all bleed the same. And they damn well know it. The public is slowly but surely turning against them. In all of their hubris these kikes and deep state niggers thought they could whip the public outrage machine into a frenzy and control it for use in endless wars and infighting. Don't get me wrong, people are fucking stupid, but not stupid enough to do things that go against their own interests unless they have a damn good reason. No one cares about oil and sand niggers half way around the globe. They've also been so desensitized by the media trash pit that they don't even fall for the "think of the children" line anymore.
Mark my words. This upcoming revolution will be global, it will be nationalistic, and it'll be the bloodiest conflict ever in all of our recorded history. There is no social cohesion and the average 15-35 year old Western male spends day after day playing video games that depict levels of violence that would've shocked people 100 years ago. When they're given rifles and told to do it again with slightly heavier gear strapped to them, they will not flinch. They will not hesitate to pull the trigger on civilians or prisoners.
Buckle in, faggots. We're in for a wild ride.
No.951773
>>951476
>Buckle in, faggots. We're in for a wild ride.
Nicely written comment, anon. At the end, I pictured myself riding the bomb like the guy in Dr. Strangelove.
No.953358
With the removal of NN, article 13 and serveral corporate monopolies shutting down free speech our future looks fucked.