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How come net neutrality which didn't matter at all was so over hyped while there is an actual threat to the internet (Article 13/Link Tax) haven't been hyped at all?
▶ No.930370>>930379 >>931613
to keep redditors voting democrat
▶ No.930373>>930379
>>930367 (OP)
Because leftists are underhanded liars.
▶ No.930375>>930379 >>930455 >>935063
Because no Net Neutrality means that big companies like google lose money. So google, netflix, everyone, funds a media campaign trying to keep it around.
If those companies dont lose money because of something, then it doesn't get hyped.
▶ No.930379
>>930370
>>930373
>>930375
It really becomes the duty of Internet users to defend the Internet at this point. The OP is likely asking why no one on the Internet is fighting to keep this shit down.
OP: People are lazy as all hell. There needs to be some incentive to get them going, otherwise the sheep will keep grazing until slaughter.
▶ No.930390>>930391
The whole proposal is a stupid idea made by people who have no idea how this "magical technology" works. All this is going to create is 101 different ways of circumventing said restrictions. How long will it take before someone creates some new blockchain link storage? What will they do with decentralized services? Fine people who use them?
As long as I have an ability to send data no amount of laws is going to stop me from distributing memes. Hackers will always be one step ahead of bureaucracy.
▶ No.930391>>930393 >>930399
>>930390
>What will they do with decentralized services? Fine people who use them?
No. They will force ISP's to lock all ports except for 80. Makes deep packet inspection that much easier.
▶ No.930393
>>930391
>No. They will force ISP's to lock all ports except for 80. Makes deep packet inspection that much easier.
I hope you're not actually believing that. If you do I feel sorry for you.
▶ No.930399>>930457 >>930520 >>935499
>>930391
Even if they implement that you can just encrypt data.
>inb4 encryption becomes illegal
>you can use encryption only when using websites of approved partners otherwise you'll be automatically charged of distributing CP
That is hypothetically the worst thing that could happen. As long as encrypting data is legal we're fine.
▶ No.930400>>930401 >>930453 >>930638
Because "net neutrality" (always be vary of orwllian language like this) was a push towards more capitalism, giving away control of government to corporations who are to duke it out in free trade
This one is the opposite, nobody can say "no, stop what you are doing" to government or union of governments. They are literally too big to fail. Corporations arent.
▶ No.930401>>930462
>>930400
Do you have anything to support your claims?
▶ No.930453>>930462
>>930400
I can't help but read this with a German accent
▶ No.930455>>931207 >>935063
>>930375
>Because no Net Neutrality means that big companies like google lose money
How so? Wouldn't they have benefitted?
▶ No.930457
>>930399
Don't dismiss it like it won't happen.
▶ No.930462>>930561
>>930401
What do you chategorize under "anything"?
>>930453
Ok
▶ No.930520
>>930399
Just pair that encryption with stego to hide your messages in pictures of sinks.
▶ No.930561
>>930462
I can claim the opposite, that "net neutrality" takes away control from corporations. Who's right now?
▶ No.930621
>>930367 (OP)
Because the EU and UK censorship machine has probs stopped that
▶ No.930632>>930644
Net neutrality has been meaningless for almost 15 years. The threat it was intended to prevent isn't relevant anymore as we use centralized services now rather than protocols.
The threat used to be that an ISP would see traffic going between the same endpoints and throttle portions of the traffic depending on the protocol, for example, to take money from Microsoft to degrade AIM but not MSN. That was the fear of 'deep packet inspection' with the classic example of a post office that opens your letters to charge you more to send knock-off hallmark cards. But when you're centralized, the ISP doesn't have to do DPI to fuck with you, and you can't force them to improve their peering.
So, net neutrality today is to get liberals to vote. It's their version of "for the children" legislation.
▶ No.930638>>931788
Because burgers don't give a fuck about other people.
They couldn't even place germany on a map, so asking them to take a stand and help their fellow /tech/ anons about an obscure article in an european union treaty is far far beyond their capacity.
They prefer to sperg all day about lisp machine, unix etc.. rather than actually code in lisp dialects, or code in other languages.
>>930400
The government and the administration belong to the corporation anyway, so this whole "I don't want government control!" is just pure circlejerk, since it's mostly a matter of organisation, since ultimately, it stays in the same hands.
▶ No.930644
>>930632
>you can't force them to improve their peering.
Why not?
▶ No.930652>>930659 >>930665 >>930732
>>930367 (OP)
>Tfw have been warning everyone for monnths now
https://juliareda.eu/en/
Is she /ourgirl/ ?
▶ No.930659>>930665 >>935368 >>935552
>>930652
>We want a Parliament for the European Union that can make democratic decisions without the Merkel’s and Cameron’s of this world
>t’s about time the European Parliament got the power to introduce laws on its own and to make decisions on budget and taxes.
It does sound good... until
>Europe needs the Euro. We need a united continent with a common currency to secure peace and prosperity for all. For this common purpose, our national interests must be left at the door.
>We want more freedom of movement, not more border controls. We are fundamentally opposed to re-introducing already abolished borders because of some mega-events.
>We want a common economic policy, a common foreign policy, a common environmental policy, a common social policy and anything else that is better tackled as a team.
>The EU has committed itself to overcoming borders. That is the standard by which it will be measured. All member states of the EU have to welcome refugees and support each other in this task.
Bitch is a false Opposition who should get the gas
▶ No.930665>>930669
>>930652
>Is she /ourgirl/ ?
Most definitely not. She has some good ideas but in the end she's still a brainwashed commie.
>>930659
>Bitch is a false Opposition who should get the gas
surprise, politics isn't one dimensional.
▶ No.930669>>930670
>>930665
Of course it is not one dimensional, but she checked so little boxes that she is NOT /ourgirl/, even Dugin and Zizek are better than her
▶ No.930670
>>930669
She's opposition tho
▶ No.930732>>931209 >>931666
>>930652
Right conservatives are just the puppets of corporations. Can't believe that even on /tech/ there are so many willing cucks.
▶ No.930818
>>930367 (OP)
>implying any "new internet law! ruh roh!" of the month mattered ever
>implying the internet was ever not as shit as possible
>>930246
you can have her to yourself
▶ No.931207>>935063
>>930455
Google isn't an ISP.
▶ No.931209>>931256
>>930732
Nice joke but there is no right in europe, at least one with so much representation.
▶ No.931256>>931273
>>931209
>there is no right in Europe
in what kind of deluded world do you live?
▶ No.931259
Net neutrality is still fresh in the public's mind. Kike companies know this. Their antics will change in a few years. Prepare yourself for heavy throttling and metered internet.
▶ No.931263>>931705
There were large companies in favor of net neutrality, and there were large companies against net neutrality, which meant lobbying and attention-drawing from both sides. Net neutrality actually is good for the people, but that never came into it - all that mattered is that it's also good for certain powerful companies and that it's marketable.
So my guess is that no large companies are particularly worried about article 13, because they're already doing filtering of the kind article 13 requires.
There's no need to even ask yourself whether something is good or bad in these cases - just follow the money. Companies want profit, and don't particularly care whether they get it in a way that harms consumers or a way that benefits consumers.
▶ No.931273
>>931256
One in which sadly you're alive.
▶ No.931613
>>930370
redditors are synonymous to retards at this point
I wouldn't even be surprised if others think of this too
>inb4 salty redditard barges in
▶ No.931621>>931623
>>930367 (OP)
It only affects eurofags, all of whom like it in the ass. This same law in the US would be unconstitutional.
▶ No.931623
>>931621
How come?
what amendment?
▶ No.931627
because we want euro-fags to keep making themselves more and more irrelevant so they'll stop ruining the internet for the rest of us
▶ No.931666>>935506
>>930732
>When the EFDD (euroskeptics) tries to works with the left
>Still fails because ENF (far right) wants to use this as a bargaining chip to own the libs
Karma police, this is what happens when you try to de-nazify europe.
This is the taste of your own medicine.
▶ No.931705
>>931263
Wow man no no no there MUST be a conspiracy behind it, preferably with the same boogeyman as always. There's simply no way companies in a Capitalist world possibly want to make money at all costs!
▶ No.931762>>931807 >>932145 >>934761
Just let the internet die so new generation can rebuild it
>what is Hiroshima
>what is Detroit
Accelerationism at its finest
▶ No.931788
>>930638
The corporations belong to the hedge funds, and the hedge funds belong to the central bankers. They're the ones pushing inconsistent narratives to enslave you.
▶ No.931807
>>931762
This fucking pic m8.
▶ No.931818
And yet another barrier of entry will be created for anyone wanting to compete with the big boys.
▶ No.932145
>>931762
But Detroit still has niggers
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▶ No.934762
It's your responsibility as a non-normalfag to tell lawmakers to fuck off with your actions. They wanna tax links, create massive pages full of them, spread them like hell across temporary hosting and social media, generally fuck up all their shit and demonstrate how retarded they are. You've been visited by the link of taxing, you will be taxed unless you repost this to six more groups. Etc.
▶ No.934826
Because people are tired of trying to stop retards screwing up the internet
▶ No.935063>>935250
>>930375
>>930455
>>931207
Net neutrality is beneficial to Google and Netflix because they wouldn't be throttled.
▶ No.935250>>935548
>>935063
Nice try at jedi mindtricking, but you're assuming decisions like these aren't taken for the benefit of big corporations.
The only ones getting throttled would be the small guys.
Google for instance could just strike back at an ISP and say something like "it would be a shame if your ads were removed and people failed to find your websites on google".
A small guy like say DuckDuckGoGo on the other hand would have no choice but to budge.
▶ No.935252>>935253
>>930367 (OP)
Net neutrality had (all big ISP's and people who actually have to foot the damn bill for all that crap) big business behind it, while this time big business want this bill to pass. Although the fact that this isn't even a fucking joke is the most scary shit ever, but I guess it pays to be a britfag.
MEME WAR NOW
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▶ No.935368>>935566
>>930659
That's the sad thing, the opposition tends to be kosher. How can you try to oppose the EU if you want stay with EU ?
Would be nice to see actual opposition.
▶ No.935499
>>930399
>you can use encryption only when using websites of approved partners otherwise you'll be automatically charged of distributing CP
Even if that were the case you still could use OBFS in tor to make your traffic look like it goes to a normalfag web service and get data across it just fine like the chinks do.
▶ No.935506
>>931666
I don't understand this post. So the ENF voted for corporate censorship and its somehow the left's fault? It's perfectly fine to hold an entire continent hostage to insane IP laws to get back at "the left"?
▶ No.935548
>>935250
Why would they throttle DDG? ISPs only care about saving money, which bandwidth hoggers like Netflix and Youtube make them lose it.
▶ No.935552
>>930659
I really hate this kind of two way discourse just like the people who goes
>we protect cultural minorities, it's good to preserve cultures
>but fuck the culture that was already here in the first place lets replace it
▶ No.935566
>>935368
>How can you try to oppose the EU if you want stay with EU ?
One can oppose the EU as it is today but be for keeping the economic part (which should be changed, the way it is rapes weak economies) and even the free movement (which is outdated, it made some sense before sandniggers, now it's time to kill it).