▶ No.927872>>927880 >>927882
▶ No.927876
▶ No.927880
>>927872
Jabber is better than irc
▶ No.927881
▶ No.927882
>>927872
Through the jabber you can connect to IRC
▶ No.927885>>930695 >>930755
AOL
Nobody would suspect you.
▶ No.927887
>>927866 (OP)
I use XMPP+OMEMO to talk to friendly people ^_^
▶ No.927897>>927943
>>927866 (OP)
>being tied to one server forever
lmao nice try botnet
▶ No.927935>>928090
That's a pretty misleading infographic. Let's evaluate the x's on Matrix.
>Does not use electron
Matrix doesn't use electron. Maybe you are confusing it with the Riot client?
>Decentralized development
Everyone is free to make their own implementation of the client / servers or whatever of the matrix protocol. You can even contribute to the reference implementation if you want to.
>Many alternative servers
For a new chat protocol that isn't very popular there hasn't been enough time for multiple to be developed.
>Many alternative clients
There are multiple clients for Matrix, but there aren't enough developers to maintain all them or to create enough to be considered "many."
>groups chat encryption
I don't know anything about this
>audit of encryption
Wrong their encryption protocol has been audited.
>Support TOR
You only need WebRTC if you are making a video / audio call. If you concerned with your anonymity (you are using tor afterall) why would you want to do something like that?
▶ No.927943>>928104
>>927897
>what is vCard with OpenPGP key
▶ No.927945>>928097
XMPP has 6 mature clients with full support for OMEMO and those clients don't consume 600 mb ram on idle unlike [[[some shitwares made by british venture capital firms]]].
https://omemo.top/
Windoze:
- Miranda NG
- Pidjin
- Gajim
Gahnoo/Looniks:
- Pidgin
- Gajim
- Dino
Android:
- Conversations
Pridephone:
- Zom
- ChatSecure
▶ No.928090>>928098
>>927935
>Matrix doesn't use electron. Maybe you are confusing it with the Riot client?
Riot use 99% users!!!!
>Everyone is free to make their own implementation of the client / servers or whatever of the matrix protocol. You can even contribute to the reference implementation if you want to.
No! Api is centralized! Nobody can make an extension without approval!
>There are multiple clients for Matrix, but there aren't enough developers to maintain all them or to create enough to be considered "many."
NO! 99% use MATRIX.ORG and RIOT!
>Wrong their encryption protocol has been audited.
In this case, it was found a month ago! Fucking such an audit!
▶ No.928094
>XMPP has 6 mature clients with full support for OMEMO and those clients don't consume 600 mb ram on idle unlike [[[some shitwares made by british venture capital firms]]].
In XMPP, not one kind of encryption.
I'm running Gajim - 32MB RAM!
I'm running Gajim - 34MB RAM!
▶ No.928097
>>927945
>[[[some shitwares made by british venture capital firms]]].
The electron engine is a Chrome browser, so they consume a lot of memory. The Matrix is shit-tucked into the browser
▶ No.928098>>928100 >>928241
>>928090
You don't understand how this works.
>Riot use 99% users
That doesn't mean you can't use a different possible.
>Api is centralized
Protocols gets standardized all the time by a central organization. This allows two different computers to talk to each other without having to know a million different variations for each protocol.
>people are choosing to centralize on two implementations therefore it is centralized.
That's not how it works.
>In this case, it was found a month ago! Fucking such an audit!
This sentence wasn't translated correctly. Try again.
▶ No.928100
>>928098
>This sentence wasn't translated correctly. Try again.
In riot found a vulnerability a month ago. Fucking such an audit!
>Protocols gets standardized all the time by a central organization. This allows two different computers to talk to each other without having to know a million different variations for each protocol.
If someone needs to make changes that do not approve it will be fork.The company was useful to disable encryption to store history.This will be an incompatible fork.
In XMPP is better this is thoughtful
▶ No.928103
The matrix has collected money for the development of the client on the electron. The rest in the matrix is lousy.
▶ No.928104
>>927943
That PGP key won't help when no one has your address
▶ No.928106>>928232
This thread is fucming retarded.
▶ No.928109
XMPP aims to merge all messengers with one standard.
What would people be able to write from WhatApp in Signai, Telegram etc
▶ No.928224>>929338
ignore skid threads
but this is too b8. XMPP is fucking shit, it's not going to unite anything. all the clients are full of bloated buggy libraries, are buggy themselves, and are full of RCE vulns. but what else would you expect from a protocol designed by a bunch of XML/Java niggers who like to spend months "engineering" "flexibility" and "headroom" into their protocols
>3rd image in OP
That GUI makes me feel like if I click OMEMO or OTR, it will break and still send all my messages in plain text. How many lines of code did it take you (and your libraries) to make that stupid J in fancy font in a blue box?
▶ No.928232
>>928106
NIGGA ARE YOU EVEN ENCRYPTED?
▶ No.928235>>928359
>>927866 (OP)
Matrix or bust.
▶ No.928241
>>928098
>>Api is centralized
>Protocols gets standardized all the time by a central organization. This allows two different computers to talk to each other without having to know a million different variations for each protocol.
shut the fuck up retard
▶ No.928359>>928364 >>928492
>>928235
The matrix is advertised shit. In European countries, the matrix is scrapped. Anons use XMPP
▶ No.928364
>>928359
Conversations works fine
▶ No.928475>>928545
▶ No.928492
>>928359
Moot point - you should be running your own server
▶ No.928802
I don't know if it's just me, but using encrypted chat in Matrix over TOR kept changing my IP, so I couldn't read any old messages every time.
▶ No.928808
▶ No.928897
Actually sounds pretty good, I'm ashamed for not checking it out before, it sounds like pretty much a mature matrix.
▶ No.928926>>929197
>>927866 (OP)
Facebook messenger supports almost everything and is end to end encrypted with the signal protocol and the signal creator personally verified they did it correctly.
▶ No.929197>>929218 >>929293 >>931961
>>928926
>Facebook messenger supports almost everything and is end to end encrypted with the signal protocol and the signal creator personally verified they did it correctly.
In conversation 3 types of encryption
- OMEMO (signal protocol)
- PGP
- OTR
Conversations is a opensource
▶ No.929198
▶ No.929207
I usually use xmpp+otr over pidgin and it's worked well so far.
▶ No.929218
>>929197
They removed OTR in the new version, though.
▶ No.929293>>929503
>>929197
Except conversations barely works beyond trivial messaging.
▶ No.929338>>929339 >>930792
>>928224
What's your alternative, faggot?
▶ No.929339>>929349 >>929508 >>931963
>>929338
facebook messenger is more secure and works better
▶ No.929349>>929369
>>929339
I expected no less from a retard like you.
▶ No.929369>>929388 >>929685
>>929349
i'm going to take my messenger written by world class engineers rather than an open alternative written by 2 communist dropouts.
▶ No.929388>>929405
>>929369
>world class engineers
That made me laugh.
▶ No.929405
>>929388
Do you not understand how much traffic Facebook goes through? You don't run a web operation like Facebook if it wasn't world class.
▶ No.929408>>929411 >>929529 >>957523
Seems like lolifox schizos are brigading this board, but nonetheless I'd like to admit how most American anons hopped from 30-years old IRC straight into bloated de-facto centralized Matrix this needs some red pill jokes completely ignoring world-wide known XMPP and it's advancements over the past years.
▶ No.929411>>931720
>>929408
The people here have some allergic reactions to XML because of autism. Also catv is their manifesto.
▶ No.929503>>929513
>>929293
>Except conversations barely works beyond trivial messaging.
Conversation sends files, pictures, audio, there are encrypted group chats
▶ No.929508>>929511
>>929339
>facebook messenger is more secure and works better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPslvBVqJp8
Facebook? You make me laugh. Facebook - is the biggest espionage organization in the world
▶ No.929511
>>929508
>Other parts of facebook track users so that means every single product they offer does
▶ No.929513>>929515 >>929522 >>930723
>>929503
>Conversation sends files, pictures, audio
This is the problem with XMPP. It has all these supposed features and none of them work together.
>there are encrypted group chats
Great! Now send a encrypted file or encrypted image to the group! Oh shit its fucked because the features don't work together.
▶ No.929515>>929516 >>929524
>>929513
Use TOX and you can do that. It's better too for security since it is P2P and E2E.
▶ No.929516
>>929515
I use tox and conversations as they are the best FOSS shit out there right now. Tox group chats suck though. Not persistent, cant do files, fairly glitchy, you need a bot alive all the time to keep them up. Conversations works much better on mobile though. Can deal with switching networks quickly, has offline messaging, group chats are persistent, etc.
Really they are both fucked though no good options.
▶ No.929522>>929528
>>929513
>This is the problem with XMPP. It has all these supposed features and none of them work together.
You're telling a lie . Now everything is working well.Install Conversations with the server 404.city
>Great! Now send a encrypted file or encrypted image to the group! Oh shit its fucked because the features don't work together.
>Great! Now send a encrypted file or encrypted image to the group! Oh shit its fucked because the features don't work together.
You're telling a lie. I already sent the encrypted file to the group. 404+Conversations works just as well as other messengers
▶ No.929524>>929526
>>929515
>Use TOX and you can do that. It's better too for security since it is P2P and E2E.
TOX? P2P ? Ho-Ho-Ho!!
I can look at your ip and break your computer
▶ No.929526>>929530
>>929524
>I can look at your ip and break your computer
Then run tor u retard
▶ No.929528
>>929522
>I already sent the encrypted file to the group.
lol no. what you did is uploaded in cleartext to the server and then the clients downloaded that cleartext image and inserted it into your chat window. it sure looks like its doing secure file transfer but nope.
▶ No.929529
>>929408
>Seems like lolifox schizos are brigading this board, but nonetheless I'd like to admit how most American anons hopped from 30-years old IRC straight into bloated de-facto centralized Matrix this needs some red pill jokes completely ignoring world-wide known XMPP and it's advancements over the past years.
We must remove myths. Everybody knows about TOX, MATRIX, Telegram. Nobody knows about XMPP
▶ No.929530>>929532
>>929526
>Then run tor u retard
In TOX recently found a leak ip through TOR)
Intelligence agency - create your imprint through P2P. Metadata in tox is not secure.
Intelligence agency - write down your protected messages
▶ No.929532>>929534 >>929537
>>929530
>In TOX recently found a leak ip through TOR
citation needed
>Metadata in tox is not secure.
then use tor
▶ No.929534>>929536
>>929532
>then use tor
TOR does not protect against the leakage of metadata in TOX
▶ No.929535
>>927866 (OP)
decentralized development is a dead giveaway that it's good enough
anything centralized is (((centralized))). if there is only a sole client app provider then it should be immediately recognized as a botnet. bonus for phone number registrations
>all phone OSes and even apps have unfettered access to your phone numbers and contact numbers
>metadata can be linked to other people who has your contact number then be linked back to your identity if that same people had put your true full name in the contact name
>browsing history of said number can be traced back even the messages
>they can sting you with imsi attacks or even catch all your mobile data connection with fake bs/cell ops
▶ No.929536
>>929534
Which meta data specifically are you talking about. Where is your proof.
▶ No.929537>>929538
>>929532
>A vulnerability was discovered in Toxcore that allows one to learn the IP of a target user by only knowing their Tox Id and without being friends with the target user.
>The Tox protocol is designed in such a way that only friends (contacts) which you have accepted friend requests of are able to learn your IP based on your Tox Id and no one else. Thus, being able to learn the IP of an owner of a Tox Id without them accepting a friend request is an undesired behavior.
>This is a vulnerability in an implementation of the Tox protocol, a vulnerability in the Toxcore library, not in the Tox protocol itself.
>The vulnerability is caused by the Onion module of Toxcore erroneously allowing to onion-route any data, any Tox packets, without a restriction. By the Tox protocol specification, when Alice makes an onion-routed request to Bob and then Bob sends an onion-routed response back to Alice, the payload of the onion-routed response sent by Bob arrives to Alice as it is, stripped of any identification that it was ever onion-routed by the last onion hop, and is interpreted as a regular Tox packet by Alice. Alice has no way to distinguish onion and non-onion packets --- she has no idea if the packet originated from the node it received the packet from, or if the packet was relayed on someone else’s behalf as part of an onion-routing. The way the onion routing is defined in the Tox specification and Toxcore erroneously not restricting the packets that can be onion-routed allows for some interesting interactions that weren’t meant to happen.
▶ No.929538>>929541
>>929537
>The vulnerability is caused by the Onion module
Okay retard "onion" here does not mean tor. This is the built in tox onion routing system where you can interact with a user without being friends. This does NOT leak your IP if you are on tor. It leaks your IP if you DO NOT use tor. Please read about how the tox protocol is implemented to understand the context of this (old) bug report.
▶ No.929539>>929543 >>929544
>Which meta data specifically are you talking about. Where is your proof.
Any metadata in the tox, contacts, time of exit, protected messages, time of their sending are intercepted
This is a P2P babe
▶ No.929541>>929543
>>929538
Through this, users' addresses were found and computers were broken)
▶ No.929542
▶ No.929543
>>929541
Not tor users. Non friends were able to find the IP of non tor users. Read the protocol so you may understand how the onion routing system in tox works. The onion router is not the same thing as the SOCKS tor proxy.
>>929539
Anon your friends list does not leak, and your messages are still secure, and your IP is hidden.
▶ No.929544
>all this incoherent shilling
>>929539
>protected messages
>metadata
>not data
Hello pajeet.
▶ No.929547>>929548
▶ No.929548>>929549
>>929547
That vulnerability has nothing to do with tor, onion module does not mean tor integration, tor users were not effected.
▶ No.929549>>929551
>>929548
TOXS leak the ip, in Russia they found users of the TOX after the TOR. Metadata TOX is sufficient information to hole a TOR
▶ No.929551>>929572
>>929549
>in Russia they found users of the TOX after the TOR
This is shilling. Where is your proof? Where is the bug report? When did this happen? What you linked before has nothing to do with it.
▶ No.929572>>929578 >>929581
>>929551
There are naive fools who believe that p2p is directly. P2P is:
YOU<->Provider<->NSA<->Provider<->Mossad<->Provider<->KGB<->Provider<->Friend
▶ No.929577>>929578
>YOU<->internet provider DPI<->NSA<->internet provider DPI<->Mossad<->internet provider DPI<->KGB<->internet provider DPI<->Friend
TOX and P2P is cool
▶ No.929578
▶ No.929581>>929587
>>929572
>YOU<->Provider<->NSA<->Provider<->Mossad<->Provider<->KGB<->Provider<->Friend
Exactly and the non p2p version is:
YOU<->Provider<->NSA<->Provider<->Some Other Fuckers Server <->Mossad<->Provider<->KGB<->Provider<->Friend
▶ No.929587>>929590
>>929581
NO! The metadata to the server is encrypted
YOU<->Other Fuckers Server<->Friend
▶ No.929590
>>929587
>>929589
What metadata does XMPP encrypt that tox does not do with tor. Hint: Nothing. Fuck off shill.
▶ No.929592>>929594
>What metadata does XMPP encrypt that tox does not do with tor. Hint: Nothing. Fuck off shill.
TOR no metadata is encrypted. This is a P2P dumbass
▶ No.929593>>929594
>What metadata does XMPP encrypt that tox does not do with tor. Hint: Nothing. Fuck off shill.
TOX no metadata is encrypted. This is a P2P dumbass
▶ No.929594>>929596
>>929592
>>929593
Just name one thing. A single thing that is leaked.
▶ No.929596>>929597
>>929594
>Just name one thing. A single thing that is leaked.
Contacts list. Your index TOX. Time send messend. Encrypted TOX messages were saved by the intermediaries
▶ No.929597>>929601
>>929596
The contact list is absolutely not leaked. That is not how the protocol works. Your English is also very difficult to read. Typical Pajeet.
▶ No.929598>>929600
You are a unique server. P2P and TOX fucked shit for privacy
▶ No.929600
>>929598
This board is English only.
▶ No.929601>>929604 >>929605
>>929597
Stupid. Your contact seeps when you write or call him. When asked whether he is on the network.
▶ No.929604>>929608
>>929601
You mean a DHT lookup is requested from an anonymous node uncorrelated with any identity.
▶ No.929605>>929607
>>929601
TOX litter metadata on servers Intelligence agency and internet provider
▶ No.929607>>929610
>>929605
Anon you need to go back to school to learn more English and understand technology.
▶ No.929608>>929609
>>929604
>You mean a DHT lookup is requested from an anonymous node uncorrelated with any identity.
I'm not talking about this. But here you can be hacked.
▶ No.929609
>>929608
>Here you can be hacked.
Again wrong.
▶ No.929610>>929611 >>929615
>>929607
You do not understand the presence of intermediaries intercepting and recording all your actions. TOX hole
▶ No.929611
>>929610
Its over an encrypted tunnel retard. Two tor users talking to each other leak nothing.
▶ No.929615>>929616
>>929610
They lose metadata. Messages can be decrypted back if you hack a computer. TOX and P2P hole
▶ No.929616>>929619
>>929615
>Messages can be decrypted back
No it cant you retard. It uses a different key every time you talk to someone. If the computer is hacked all the past conversations are fine. It is not like RSA.
▶ No.929619>>929620
>>929616
You mean TOX still use self-signed encryption)) Clowns
▶ No.929620
>>929619
No its a very standard ephemeral key exchange. Fucking pajeet learn the basics of crypto.
▶ No.929622>>929623
Encryption of calls to TOX is so reliable that it was even hacked by KGB. Go to the pussy with your TOX
▶ No.929623
>>929622
>that it was even hacked by KGB
making up shit again I see
▶ No.929625>>929627
>Fucking pajeet learn the basics of crypto.
LOL. KEYS SESSION IS IN (TSL)RSA
▶ No.929627>>929630
>>929625
Idiot. A session key exchange is not the same thing as an ephemeral key exchange.
▶ No.929630>>929632
>>929627
Sucky cock Diffie--Hellman
▶ No.929632
>>929630
Diffie-Hellman is not ephemeral by default.
▶ No.929634>>929635
TOX is an XMPP server running on your computer. Run on your computer server (TOX) is not private.Running on your computer server (TOX), you are unequivocally speaking, it's me.
Encrypted Messages TOX are written by an intermediary. Logs are maintained by Internet providers
▶ No.929635>>929638
▶ No.929638>>929639
>>929635
TOX+TOR=
YOU<->TOR<->Provider<->NSA<->Provider<->Mossad<->Provider<->KGB<->Provider<->Friend
This data is enough to find you
▶ No.929639>>929640
>>929638
>This data is enough to find you
Lol no
>YOU<->TOR<->Provider<->NSA<->Provider<->Mossad<->Provider<->KGB<->Provider<->Friend
With XMPP its even worse:
YOU<->TOR<->Provider<->NSA<->Provider<->Some Other Fucks Server<->Mossad<->Provider<->KGB<->Provider<->Friend
▶ No.929640>>929641
>>929639
TOX+TOR=
YOU<->TOR<->Provider<->NSA<->Provider<->Mossad<->Provider<->KGB<->Provider<->Friend
XMPP+TOR=
YOU<->TOR XMPP Server<->Friend
▶ No.929641>>929643
>>929640
Lol no. XMPP is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS more hops.
▶ No.929642>>929645
>>927866 (OP)
Your chart is wrong for matrix, it doesn't use electron, some of the shittier clients do, you can find shitty xmpp clients that use it too, it has many alternative servers, 8channers own a couple, it has a TONNE of alternative software clients.
▶ No.929643>>929646
>>929641
>Lol no. XMPP is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS more hops.
There are xmpp-servers in the TOR. Onion adres
▶ No.929645>>929649
>>929642
>it has a TONNE of alternative software clients.
Only one works though
▶ No.929646
>>929643
>There are xmpp-servers in the TOR. Onion adres
Great you just added ANOTHER hop
▶ No.929647>>929648 >>929655
99% users Matrix use Electron client
>you can find shitty xmpp clients that use it too,
NO. This is XMPP. XMPP does not like Electron
▶ No.929648>>929652
▶ No.929649>>929651
>>929645
I've tried 4 of them, all worked, wrote my own, worked. What are you talking about?
▶ No.929651>>929655
>>929649
They all work for basic messaging. That does not mean they support almost everything else.
▶ No.929652
>>929648
>Great you just added ANOTHER hop
This is a web client. No one uses them.
▶ No.929655>>929657 >>929658
>>929647
what was yakyak? Why you lie though?
>>929651
pictures, video work. yeah encryption is still in dev and you can't make calls.
▶ No.929657
>>929655
Its funny that video works but not calls
▶ No.929658>>929660 >>929671
>>929655
>what was yakyak? Why you lie though?
I talked about clients on desktop computers and smartphone, not fucking webclients.
All without you it is clear that web clients use browsers
▶ No.929660>>929661
>>929658
The web clients use electron and work on desktop
▶ No.929661>>929662
>>929660
>Its funny that video works but not calls
give me a download link
▶ No.929662>>929664
>>929661
U wanna make sure you click on the right thing buddy
▶ No.929664>>929665
>>929662
You propose to install a web client, and not a client for the computer
▶ No.929665>>929666
>>929664
>What is electron
▶ No.929666>>929667
>>929665
Give a link to the client for desktop or smatfone
▶ No.929667>>929669
>>929666
u gotta build it from sauce
▶ No.929669>>929670
>>929667
>u gotta build it from sauce
Then connect via browser
▶ No.929670
>>929669
No, run in Electron.
▶ No.929671>>929673
>>929658
...you talk with authority and don't know what electron is, lol
▶ No.929673>>929676
>>929671
Is your client so good that there is not even a binary version?
▶ No.929674
I know what an electron is. I do not know what is http://getkaiwa.com/
▶ No.929676>>929678
>>929673
Its XMPP it can't be good
▶ No.929678>>929679
>>929676
In xmpp 100 different messengers
▶ No.929679>>929681
>>929678
100 messengers all bad, better a single good one than 1000 standard ones
▶ No.929681>>929682
>>929679
Your idea of "bad" and "good" is meaningless. No matter what exists, you will never find anything that you will approve as being good.
▶ No.929682>>929707
>>929681
Tox is pretty good.
▶ No.929687
>>929685
>I care more about licensing than correctness and quality
nice one kid!
▶ No.929692>>929698
XMPP+i2p =
Your eepserver <-> 12 hops <-> Your friend's eepserver
▶ No.929698
>>929692
+every CIA / NSA MITM between every single one of those 12 hops
▶ No.929707>>929710
>>929682
>Tox is pretty good.
Disgusting on mobile and laptops.Running a server TOX is a good idea to kill a battery
▶ No.929708>>929711
The idea of creating CICPs is to relieve the connection between different messengers. What could I write from Telegram to Facebook, WhatsAppp
XMPP is an extensible environment of messengers. XMPP is not an instant messenger.
XMPP is freedom. XMPP
▶ No.929709>>929711
The idea of creating XMPP is to relieve the connection between different messengers. What could I write from Telegram to Facebook, WhatsAppp
XMPP is an extensible environment of messengers. XMPP is not an instant messenger.
XMPP is freedom. XMPP is open World
▶ No.929710
>>929707
>mobile
ah yes you are a normie I forgot
▶ No.929711>>929714
>>929709
>>929708
I think you mean bloated piece of shit that collapses under its own weight. The only freedom it gives you is the same kind a fat person has.
▶ No.929714>>930622
>>929711
No. Now the XMPP is already good.
▶ No.929716>>930622
Gajim xmpp for linux and Windows
▶ No.929718>>930622
Social network and web client in XMPP
https://movim.eu
▶ No.929719>>930622
In XMPP already millions of active users
▶ No.930622>>930627
>>929718
>>929719
>>929716
>>929715
>>929714
>Literal russian shill pushing shitty centralized cha
▶ No.930627>>930643
>>930622
>>centralized
Any asshole can launch its server and join the federation
▶ No.930643>>930668 >>931135
>>930627
Your identity is centralized. You are forever tied to some shitty server. Nice try shill. Go back to your potato farm.
▶ No.930668>>930673
>>930643
>my identity is my online name
Poor soul.
You can register on other servers. It's pretty much like changing phone numbers. Or just run your own.
▶ No.930673>>930682
>>930668
>Poor soul.
<He does not know what identity means in teh context of crypto
>It's pretty much like changing phone numbers.
Yes and thats a massive PITA. Even worse is changing your email address. All the different people sites and places that need to be updated.
▶ No.930682>>930684 >>930685
>>930673
Keys aren't necessarily bound to xmpp addresses and massive PITA is not >forever tied
▶ No.930684>>930687 >>931136
>>930682
>Keys aren't necessarily bound to xmpp addresses
Bullshit, XMPP has no feature to migrate keys to new addresses.
▶ No.930685>>930687
>>930682
> and massive PITA is not >forever tied
You have no idea what "identity" means in the context of crypto
▶ No.930687>>930688
>>930684
XMPP doesn't have keys.
>>930685
Keys are identities.
▶ No.930688>>930692
>>930687
>XMPP doesn't have keys.
xmpp doesn't have anything then in your model because its all extension bullshit
▶ No.930692>>930718 >>931635
>>930688
So what stops me from writing an OMEMEO or OTR implementation that allows me to reconfigure what account to use with which key?
▶ No.930695
>>927885
Didnt they shut down aim?
▶ No.930718
>>930692
>What stops me from taking a piece of software without needed features and writing a bunch of changes to give it new features
nothing for literally any software that does anything
▶ No.930723>>930726
>>929513
Stop telling lies, prosody works out of the box with file, picture, and voice messages. All with OMEMO encryption too! I have yet to try the encrypted chat rooms though.
▶ No.930726>>930729
>>930723
>prosody works out of the box with file, picture, and voice messages
>All with OMEMO encryption too!
No ffs thats not how it actually works. Some things are OMEMO and some things are not. Just because your text messages are using a feature does not mean everything else is.
▶ No.930729>>930742
▶ No.930742>>930746
▶ No.930746>>930793
>>930742
I am thats why im confused by your post. Currently running prosody and its been smooth sailing ever since I got it up. All my messages seem to be secured with the little shield icon. How would images,voice, or files be exempt from this?
▶ No.930748
>not making your own classic MW2 server and writing messages on walls via bullets
It's like you want your shit to get read and stolen.
▶ No.930755
>>927885
Didnt they shut down aim?
▶ No.930792
>>929338
whatever you were using before you switched to XMPP because it seemed like a good idea
▶ No.930793>>930847 >>931139
>>930746
>All my messages seem to be secured with the little shield icon
They are TEXT MESSAGES, not all the other shit.
▶ No.930847
>>930793
What about the shield/lock icon next to images though?Please provide source how omemo doesnt cover it all. What about omemo jingle file transfer??
https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/omemo-filetransfer.html
▶ No.931135>>931525 >>931714
>>930643
1)You can make your server.
2)You can register for hundreds of servers at the same time. You can use hundreds of servers at the same time.
3)You can transfer contacts between servers
▶ No.931136
>>930684
Use PGP. This will move the key
▶ No.931139>>931525
>>930793
- Omemo encrypts files,
- encrypts audio messages,
- encrypts text messages
- group chats
Full ohmmo support in Conversations and Gajim
▶ No.931140
Always use http upload to transfer files. Omemo encrypts files, audio messages, text messages. It's a really cool thing.You can send files to those who do not XMPP
▶ No.931522>>933110
>>927866 (OP)
I prefer some messenger with nice stickers.
▶ No.931525>>931535 >>931635 >>931714 >>931725
>>931139
>Full ohmmo support in Conversations and Gajim
Wrong
>>931135
>1)You can make your server.
Great now its not federated anymore
>2)You can register for hundreds of servers at the same time. You can use hundreds of servers at the same time.
Not with one identity
▶ No.931535
>>931525
>wrong
Provide documentation faggot
▶ No.931635>>931636
>>931525
>>2)You can register for hundreds of servers at the same time. You can use hundreds of servers at the same time.
>Not with one identity
Answer my question. >>930692
▶ No.931636>>931688
>>931635
I did
--
>What stops me from taking a piece of software without needed features and writing a bunch of changes to give it new features
nothing for literally any software that does anything
▶ No.931675>>931682
Oi you bunch of fuckwits , look here, niggers:
Tox it synchronous, XMPP with double ratchet is asynchronous. You need to be synchronously online with your buddy to chat in Tox, XMPP is better Email, you send a message over carrier pigeon and forget about it, your buddy can receive it one week later and will be fine.
Second, XMPP has XEP for vCard and OpenPGP key distribution, this is your identity, is is not stored on some central (((identity))) server run by anglo kikes from Matrix. When you change servers, send your contacts a notification about it encrypted/signed with PGP, so they add your new contact server.
▶ No.931682>>931692
>>931675
>some central (((identity))) server run by anglo kikes from Matrix
You can host your own identity server baka.
▶ No.931688>>931691
>>931636
Then why can't I use hundreds of accounts on hundreds of servers at the same time?
▶ No.931691>>931714
>>931688
Thats about as retarded and useful as having 100 email addresses.
▶ No.931692
>>931682
>You can take a federated system and not federate it and it makes it less shit
maybe it should just be like that by default instead of this shitty centralized default
▶ No.931714
▶ No.931720
>>929411
You got that backwards. XML is autism. It was designed to make your shit all perfect and tidy and predictable. Plain text IRC doesn't give a fuck. Here's some text, bitch! Do whatever the fuck you want with it!#@#@
▶ No.931725>>931967
>>931525
You can federate any XMPP server just as you can keep each server independent.
▶ No.931751
▶ No.931961
>>929197
Signal is funded by the BBG which is a us govt op and Moxie is tied to mossad
▶ No.931963>>931966
>>929339
Facebook reads your messages and forwards suspicious content to law enforcement retard
▶ No.931966
>>931963
This is totally wrong and now how the MESSENGER works.
▶ No.931967>>931974
>>931725
>You can make this federated system less federated and it becomes less shit
▶ No.931974>>932008
>>931967
Who are you quoting?
▶ No.932008
▶ No.933110
>>931522
>I prefer some messenger with nice stickers.
XMPP clent https://zom.im
▶ No.933111
https://omemo.top TOP OMEMO client
▶ No.933114
Now the client does not transmit XML. They transmit a compressed bytecode
▶ No.933115>>933137
Mail is more difficult to create. XMPP accounting can be every couple of few seconds
▶ No.933137>>933182
>>933115
This is just wrong
▶ No.933182>>933315
>>933137
>This is just wrong
Let's try to create 100 accounts on Gmail.Then write how it's just to create an e-mail.You will be banned immediately and you will need 100 phone sim cards
▶ No.933315>>933691
>>933182
>Let's try to create 100 accounts on Gmail
Yes faggot because gmail is all of email. Go on cock.li and make as many accounts as you want. XMPP can require all that same shit.
▶ No.933691>>933698
>>933315
>Yes faggot because gmail is all of email. Go on cock.li and make as many accounts as you want. XMPP can require all that same shit.
Then send a letter with a cock. 100% it will be in the spam folder. your letter does not come
▶ No.933698>>933828
>>933691
>100% it will be in the spam folder. your letter does not come
You do realize the same thing applies to XMPP right?
▶ No.933828>>933837
>>933698
>You do realize the same thing applies to XMPP right?
No. Fuck you
▶ No.933837>>933926
>>933828
>Anyone can make infinite accounts for free and send infinite messages to anyone they want
you do realize that this is not how it works? XMPP servers get black listed or white listed all the same. XMPP is fucking email get over it. You even have to pay for some XMPP accounts.
▶ No.933926>>933987
>>933837
>you do realize that this is not how it works? XMPP servers get black listed or white listed all the same. XMPP is fucking email get over it. You even have to pay for some XMPP accounts.
Server 404.city is free. There are many servers is free. There are no black lists in reality
▶ No.933927
The mail servers are ~10 public. XMPP >10 000 public. XMPP fuck e-mail
▶ No.933987>>934144
>>933926
Bullshit you either get spam or there are black lists.
▶ No.934144>>934147 >>934149
>>933987
You have obviously never used XMPP or run a XMPP server. There are no blacklists and there is no spam.
▶ No.934147>>934254
>>934144
I actually have run an open XMPP server before. You know what happens? Even if you advertise it nowhere you get hundreds of spam accounts signing up.
▶ No.934149>>934159 >>934257
>>934144
>There are no blacklists and there is no spam.
Great so you are saying I can just send unlimited messages to any account on the network for free and there is nothing anyone does about it! Perfect! Thanks anon.
▶ No.934159
>>934149
No blacklist that is shared among xmpp server operators
<purposefully misunderstanding
▶ No.934254>>934259
>>934147
We do not receive spam messages. You need сorrect configure the xmpp server.
▶ No.934257>>934259
>>934149
Your messages will not come if you are not approved by the recipients. You first need to ask permission to send a message
▶ No.934259>>934311 >>934561
>>934257
>>934254
So I send you 10 thousand requests and make it so you can never talk to any new person
▶ No.934311>>934321
>>934259
What the hell is wrong with you. Are you a jew?
▶ No.934561>>934576
>>934259
>So I send you 10 thousand requests and make it so you can never talk to any new person
The XMPP servers have limits on the number of requests
▶ No.934576>>934587 >>934588 >>934589
>>934561
>The XMPP servers have limits on the number of requests
Anon you really need to understand the basics of how identity systems work in networks before you make magical claims about XMPP
▶ No.934587>>934592
>>934576
Fool, on all steep servers there are limits on subscription requests, some servers need to enter captcha for add contact
▶ No.934588>>934592
>>934576
You can make as many requests as the server resolves, even if you create a thousand accounts
▶ No.934589>>934592
>>934576
Usually the limit is 50 - 100 requests. Also in jabber clients have a option, reject the flood.
▶ No.934592>>934613
>>934587
>>934588
>>934589
You are an idiot that totally misunderstands the problem
▶ No.934613>>934633
>>934592
You're still someone who has never run a xmpp server in his life. You do not use xmpp.
▶ No.934627
>>927866 (OP)
These people love indulging in their xml cancer.
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0239.html
▶ No.934633>>934638
>>934613
>You're still someone who has never run a xmpp server in his life
Wrong. I have run prosody.
▶ No.934638>>934645
>>934633
Use Ejabberd stupid
▶ No.934662
>>934645
On ejabberd running WhatsApp
▶ No.934881>>934892
I don't want to do a new thread about this, but I was searching for a voip video solution recently, as my family was asking for one.
What free software do you think is the best solution today?
I found two:
- jitsi
- gnu ring
For audio voip:
- mumble
What do you think about jitsi/ring?
Thanks.
▶ No.934892>>934900 >>934904
>>934881
> - jitsi
Is a run of the mill XMPP client but with with a focus on VoIP and possibly Video chat, it looks a bit like skype.
Pros/cons:
+Chat compatible with all other XMPP clients
+e2e Encrypted calls and video chats
+OMEMO support through plugin
-Conference calls could be a bit difficult
-/+ Distributed network structure. (Can be seen as a pro)
> - gnu ring
Mainly focussed to calls only with a bit of chat support, could go as a simple dailer through the internet than through cellular. But pretty can go as a nifty replacement for skype and simular.
Pros/cons:
+e2e Encrypted calls
+SIP compatibility
-/+ As far as I know doesn't use the XMPP protocol
+ P2P network structure (Can also be seen as a con by some people, but generally not)
-/+ Not sure about conference calls, but I think it does support it. If anyone knows, feel free to correct me.
> - mumble
Made as libre replacement for TeamSpeak.
Not much else to say.
Pros/cons:
+Native conference call support (duh, that is it's purpose)
+Has been picked up by several well spread communities
(Although, never used Mumble alot so can't say alot about it)
> What do you think about jitsi/ring?
> Thanks.
I would suggest you just try them all and see which one feels the most comfortable to you.
▶ No.934900
▶ No.934904>>934918
>>934892
What do you think about tox?
God I regret not reading all the thread about that in the past.
Now that I need a solution, I feel retarded.
▶ No.934918>>935076
>>934904
I actually am rather neutral about Tox but the features and structure don't really stand out too much. Although it has made some good philosophical backgrounds and reasons for their existence and think it doesn't receive the credit it needs to get in communities it was designed for.
But in the other hand, they still have a lot to sharpen when it comes to their security and overall development which there have been a lot of complains about, but I am rather forgiving about that since it is all the work of a small team of enthusiasts and the project didn't even reach out of Alpha so far.
But my main issues with it are sometimes with it's philosophy in making security as easy as possible, which for someone like me gives issues.
But overall, I think it's with good attempts and goals but just not the protocol for me.
I do have to mention I have absolutely fallen in love with the toxic client for Tox.
Pros/cons:
+/- Distributed P2P (Like with the others, this can be a problem for some but generally favoured as pro. Depends on the use case)
+ e2e Encrypted communication
+ Community Open Source software by chan people for chan people
+ Handful of clients to choose from
+/- Protocol from scratch (Could potentially mean very critical security bugs in case of a 0day, but also means that Tox doesn't rely on other protocols to work and in case those get security flaws Tox doesn't have to rely on the other developers to fix that)
- Under heavy development and the developers advise not to rely on Tox for circumstances where security is absolutely required to be fully secure.
-/+ Security through obscurity since I don't see it explode in user base (This is mainly a con, but a pro for some in some situations)
▶ No.934994>>934997 >>935011
TOX use P2P
- p2p allows you to determine the ip-address user who uses the tox. Intelligence agency can look with whom you are talking.
- The provider's equipment records encrypted messages.
-P2P destroys the battery of the smartphone.
- Encryption of the tox has not been audited.
▶ No.934997>>935004
>>934994
>the ip address user
>the tox
>the tox
Learn English before posting here, pajeet.
▶ No.935004>>935009
>>934997
>Learn English before posting here, pajeet.
the fuck
▶ No.935009
▶ No.935011>>935028
>>934994
>What is tor
yes goy use a centralized server where everything can exactly be recorded and you are at the whim on the admin
▶ No.935028>>935030 >>935031 >>935032 >>935040
>>935011
TOX is public metadata is public. Intelligence agency find someone hiding behind the TOR
Intelligence agency record all messages and contacts of the TOX. P2P is a bad solution for privacy.
▶ No.935030>>935033
>>935028
Yes goy give your data to YET ANOTHER person. There is no meta data leak on tor.
▶ No.935031>>935033
>>935028
5E7F4AE037F55E8F74E82F5CB9096E5B3498CAD3DAB915ADD6CBE33852AD725F0272305FE770
▶ No.935032>>935033
>>935028
>TOX is public metadata is public.
Bullshit. Here is my tox ID, my node is up. What is my friends list?
5E7F4AE037F55E8F74E82F5CB9096E5B3498CAD3DAB915ADD6CBE33852AD725F0272305FE770
▶ No.935033>>935035 >>935040
>>935030
>>935031
>>935032
XMPP SERVER = TOX + VPN <->VPN +TOX
▶ No.935035>>935037 >>935039
>>935033
>He considers facebook a VPN
You are retarded
▶ No.935037>>935040 >>935041
>>935035
Use Encryption. You are retarded
▶ No.935039>>935041
>>935035
Since when can Facebook Server install on your computer?
▶ No.935040
>>935028
>>935033
>>935037
You are retarded, use English.
▶ No.935041>>935043
>>935037
>>935039
FUCK OFF LEARN ENGLISH
▶ No.935043>>935044
>>935041
Keep your normalfag-tier memes on >>>/g/
▶ No.935050>>935051
▶ No.935051>>935052
>>935050
Oy vey muh plebbit
▶ No.935052>>935060
>>935051
>rust hate
>le SJW
>>>/r/The_Donald
▶ No.935076>>935078 >>935079
>>934918
My main concern was video/audio coms, not text.
So I think that I'll go for tox.
I would definitively not use tox for serious text message exchange.
I would rather use xmpp through tor (through vpn to hide it from my ISP).
▶ No.935078>>935081
>>935076
>I would rather tie my identity to a server for anything serious
▶ No.935079>>935080
>>935076
Samfag here, btw, tox is not decentralized, but distributed:
https://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore/issues/1398
▶ No.935080>>935081
>>935079
That entire thread is github issue is bullshit you should actually read it. Tox is decentralized. This idiot thinks because you have things like a DHT its fucked.
▶ No.935081>>935082
>>935078
I use tor, so I don't understand your comment. Hiding my traffic from my ISP is far more important than tying an identity to a foreign IP. Now, if you're talking about risk of MITM from the VPS provider, that's another issue; I would not known actually how to detect that.
>>935080
Yeah, I made a wide claim, but he is still right for DHT.
▶ No.935082>>935083
>>935081
>but he is still right for DHT.
No hes not everything he said in that thread is totally retarded.
▶ No.935083>>935106
>>935082
You mean that DHT setup how it is setup for Tox is obligatory for any decentralized project to work?
▶ No.935095
P2P reduces data protection from interception of metadata. P2P there was no encryption, P2P would be total shit.Internet Providers install devices for recording messages TOX. TOX for retarded.
▶ No.935096
Wanted to get security through the p2p idiots
▶ No.935106>>935235
>>935083
>is obligatory for any decentralized project to work
You could manually add addresses for every single person you want to connect to.
▶ No.935107
>TOX for retarded.
You could at least learn English before you attempt to insult people.
▶ No.935215>>935241
Man, what the fuck is this thread? Was away for a while, open /tech/ for the first time in like two months and start reading this shit. Now I have a headache and nausea.
Just wanted to see if there was any relevant news about tox, now you gave me russian aids or something.
▶ No.935235>>935325 >>935363
>>935106
>TOX
>You could manually add addresses for every single person you want to connect to.
▶ No.935241
>>935215
In Russia and Germany, no one uses them. Everybody uses Jabber
▶ No.935325
>>935235
Isn't that how life works in reality? You do this for email and for phones.
▶ No.935363>>935847
>>935235
I was not recommending that you retard. Tox does not even support that. I'm saying that is the standard alternative to not using a DHT.
▶ No.935847>>935848
>>935363
A fool uses a tox and thinks that his messages are not being recorded and are not being watched with who he says.
TOX is anus. Anus defecating metadata
▶ No.935848>>944312
>>935847
>a tox
>and are not being watched with who he says
>tox is anus
>anus defecating metadate
Your English is shittier than the Ganges. Begone, currynigger.
▶ No.944284
Can I use OMEMO with Irssi?
▶ No.944312
>>935848
But anon, speaking in broken English is a good way to anonymize yourself. Just look at The Shadow Brokers.
▶ No.947041
What the fuck is going on in this thread?
▶ No.953349
▶ No.957523
>>929408
That's because Americans are retards. This really shouldn't surprise anyone.
XMPP is smooth sailing as soon as you set it up. Sure, it's not always >justwerks, especially with multiple devices, but the most I spent on getting it to work was a few lines back and forth to figure out the problem. If you can't do that, you should be so kind and fuck off back to Faceberg.
I'm interested in two things:
- who of you runs their own server?
- any experience with Conversations and Tor?
▶ No.957527
How does Retroshare implement its chat client?
Is it XMPP? Something else?