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With it's joke CoC page (http://9front.org/coc) and generally irreverent sense of humor, you could be excused for assuming that 9front, a project continuing the development of Plan 9 From Bell Labs, wouldn't fall to the idpol mania that has swallowed so many tech communities.
Unfortunately, you'd be wrong.
Apparently, there is a CoC in full effect in at least some 9front spaces, and violating it can result in a no-warning permaban if you're not a project contributor. aiju sez:
>If he was a random newbie, I would have just permabanned him and forgot about him, like the occasional 4chan Holocaust deniers or that asshole that blamed me for uriel's death and never shut up about his misunderstanding of mental illness.
The issue at hand were some comments in IRC by Aram that aiju took as anti-tranny.
Fortunately, this story has a "happy" ending. Aram confirmed that he is, in fact, super down with trans folks, some of whom are his friends! #BeAnAlly
The conversation was rounded out with the following observation:
>CoCs aren't just about banning people for expressing their opinions, it's also about trying to fight real world social problems.
Because, as we all know, tech projects are just fronts for fighting for LGBTQIA+ inclusivity.
If you thought 9front/cat-v had avoided the SJW infection, be warned. Emails here: https://my.mixtape.moe/dbvmmr.txt
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>>919695 (OP)
>the front fell off
And now for something completely different:
<the back fell off
▶ No.919704>>919706 >>919759
>>919695 (OP)
Nobody cares. kys
▶ No.919705>>919725 >>919760 >>919974 >>920170
So, do we just have OpenBSD and other forgotten operating systems left? What a shame.
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>>919704
>kys
>does not know how to properly sage
Get the fuck out of here.
▶ No.919725>>919760 >>919763
>>919705
Basically, unless you're content with retrocomputing. And I worry about what's going to happen to OpenBSD after Theo retires or dies.
He just turned 50 this month.
▶ No.919737>>919739
Inclusivity codes of conduct
When an open source software project adopts a “code of conduct” it slowly dies. Bugs don’t get fixed, new features break stuff, and it is unable to accommodate updates and changes in the environment. Over time, it gradually suffers bitrot -- unchanging and unchangeable assumptions in a changing world, combined with “fixes” that introduce new bugs, and confusing new misfeatures that irritate old users, never quite work as they were supposed to, and are an obstacle to new users.
Why is “inclusivity” so devastatingly lethal to tech?
Observe “women in tech”. As Spandrel observes “Women in tech” are women trying to get nerds out of tech. Nerds protest. “We were here first! We built this from scratch!”. Yeah whatever. There’s money to be made, so women want in. Then they saw nerds there, and then they can’t help their instincts. Nerds must go. Women just won’t live close to them; the same way humans don’t like living close to snakes or rats. That getting rid of the nerds would destroy the whole ecosystem is secondary. When tech collapses after women chase the nerds away, women will just migrate to somewhere else built by some other males, as if nothing had happened.
https://blog.jim.com/economics/inclusivity-codes-of-conduct/
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>>919695 (OP)
At least you can still fork all these projects.
▶ No.919752>>919766
http://harmful.cat-v.org/society/gay_marriage
>For centuries homosexuals have had to suffer discrimination and abuse, fortunately as the dark ages have started to fade illuminated by enlightenment and humanism this discrimination and abuse have also diminished.
>Why it is not OK to discriminate against gays but it is fine to discriminate against singles, polygamous, unmarried couples or any other of the infinite possible forms of interpersonal relationships?
>Marriage is a cultural and religious tradition, but traditions exist to be changed and adapt to new times, and in any modern secular society no religion can claim any authority over anyone other than its willful (and I might add ‘delusional’) followers.
>[tl;dr: gay marriage doesn't go far enough, abolish marriage]
cat-v has always been on the principled libertarian social equality side of things. Supporting trans people shouldn't be a surprise.
I can't blame them for being trigger-happy given some of the contamination I've seen from #/tech/ in particular.
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>>919705
>>919725
OpenBSD has developers like this; I wouldn't count on it much longer...
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>>919760
>Do I need to bring my own pronoun pin
Haha holy shit I didn't even know those were a thing. Christ that's pathetic
▶ No.919763
>>919725
This. BDFLs are what's keeping good projects and countries afloat. We need to take cue from political history and upgrade free software projects to hereditary monarchies.
▶ No.919766
>>919752
>gay marriage doesn't go far enough, abolish marriage
That was the objective from the start. Ridiculing marriage with degeneracy is just means to this end.
▶ No.919770>>919782 >>919837 >>919980 >>920288
>>919760
If Theo has a worthy replacement for himself in mind then I wouldn't worry. Same goes for Linus.
So, democracy is a failure and dictatorship is the only right way? 🤔
▶ No.919778>>919780 >>920229
You're all retarded, especially OP.
Just reload the page to get a different coc, the whole thing is a joke mocking the idea of a coc.
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>>919778
>Just reload the page to get a different coc,
Which one of you faggots did this?
▶ No.919781>>920082
>>919760
TempleOS is the final solution.
▶ No.919782>>919795
>>919770
Democracy tends to give consistently mediocre outcomes. Among other areas, that's good for countries because all the alternatives are more likely to fail catastrophically, even if they're better in the best possible case.
Software projects aren't countries. Leaving a small software project is much easier than leaving a country, so you can get a somewhat working free market/survival of the fittest thing going. A software project that has a BDFL from the beginning is unlikely to become popular unless the BDFL is good, so bad monarchs are automatically filtered out.
Unfortunately, that doesn't extend to succession in established software projects. If you appoint a new leader and they turn out to be bad it's much harder for the free market to take care of it. Forking is expensive. Even good people aren't necessarily good leaders.
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>>919695 (OP)
>irreverent
>also SJW
(((Why do you think that is?)))
▶ No.919795>>919819
>>919782
>Unfortunately, that doesn't extend to succession in established software projects. If you appoint a new leader and they turn out to be bad it's much harder for the free market to take care of it.
That's why you establish a hereditary monarchy. Somebody who shares similar genetic base and was raised in a similar memetic environment is more likely to end up sharing similar traits, including being a good leader.
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>>919795
That's not nearly reliable enough. Selecting from multiple clones might work, but societal progress is too fast to replicate the memetic environment properly in another generation.
▶ No.919827>>919832
fuk
How much is probable that Gentoo will stay uncucked?
I'm currently using devuan/obsd/void; devuan is sjw/faggot distro, obsd is fine, but has no chance staying uncucked, void is essentialy pony-tier distro with fine init system.
Should I just go crux and crucify all evil I have on my hards?
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>>919819
It's not perfectly reliable, but it's more reliable than any existing alternative.
▶ No.919832
>>919827
Pick based on quality, not politics, and you'll be a lot happier.
Even if politics affects quality, it's not the only thing affecting quality.
▶ No.919837
>>919770
People have been fed democratic propaganda from birth because most countries are democratric now.
Today's representative democracies claim 2 things:
>A country needs a leader
>The best way to get a good leader is by choice of the masses
I think the first is right, but I'll call retarded whoever thinks the second is right, there's no way anybody genuinely believes this.
▶ No.919857
>>919695 (OP)
Aside from http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/, http://doc.cat-v.org/ and 9front's codebase, you shouldn't bother with anything else aside from maybe software discussions. Thay have always been liberal.
▶ No.919878
Don't cave in to this shit. If you let the SJW cancer take over everything you love without making your own alternatives, you're outright giving them power.
We need to either get more involved in projects we enjoy to avoid complete SJW takeover or make our own, better alternatives.
▶ No.919886
>>919695 (OP)
If you refresh the CoC page enough times you'll eventually find a real, github-tier CoC.
▶ No.919888>>919890
>Apparently, there is a CoC in full effect in at least some 9front spaces
>at least some 9front spaces
D&C thread, this kike is trying to correlate unaffiliated social communities with the actual 9front open source in order to push people away from it.
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>>919890
Press the refresh button faggot.
▶ No.919895>>919900 >>919905 >>919915 >>919986
What's this thread about? Hypocritical people being intolerant in the name of tolerance? Therefore we should avoid using their software? Umm no, this is the same feelz mindpoison as not wanting to use ReiserFS because its creator is a murderer (moot point because ReiserFS is obsolete anyway). What I'm saying is, it makes more sense to accept/reject software solely on technical grounds, not social shit involving its creator(s).
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>>919895
>not wanting to use ReiserFS because its creator is a murderer
>moot point because ReiserFS is obsolete anyway
Pure coincidence, right?
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>>919900
That kind of proves my point. People rejecting software on anything other than tech grounds kills off perfectly good software.
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>>919895
The social aspect of a project directly influences the technical aspect.
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>>919895
>it makes more sense to accept/reject software solely on technical grounds, not social shit
So you're in favor of proprietary software then.
▶ No.919919>>919934
>>919915
>access to source code is a social aspect
So you're in favor of truly free public domain software then.
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>>919919
?
>>919933
What are the first words in the OP.
▶ No.919944>>919977
aiju writes good code, and designed a cool devlopment board, the aijuboard. What have you contibuted?
▶ No.919974>>919991
>>919705
There's Gentoo and Funtoo. Gentoo forums seem comfortably shitlordy still, though #gentoo-chat on Freenode is run by anti-cussing "child friendly environment" sycophants (#funtoo is better IMO).
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>>919944
I have contributed anti-SJ meems in this global meem war. The Social Justice must die like a kike nailed to two chopsticks!
▶ No.919980
>>919770
Republicanism isn't a failure... so long as the voting public has an average IQ score which is higher than the temperature on a warm southern Arizona summer day.
Republicanism breaks down these days because humans are susceptible to modern psychological warfare techniques, for which the Bureau is trying to disseminate information about to anons at large.
▶ No.919981>>919988 >>920147
>>919695 (OP)
>https://my.mixtape.moe/dbvmmr.txt
<I'm friends with all kinds of groups of people that live at the fringe of social acceptance. And some of them are trans.
How is this even possible? I never even seen a gay / trans person in real life and he has met enough of them to be friends with multiple? There must be something genetic or some brainwashing going on for there to be so many mentally ill people in one area.
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>>919894
That's how I got there nigger. If you refresh the CoC page 3 times it shows you the real CoC.
▶ No.919984
>>919695 (OP)
<I STAND ALONE against your mad, deadly,
<...
<Your organization was lying to us!
>quoting venetian snares
>instead of the actual guy
▶ No.919986
>>919895
this is true but almost all software with devs who go on ranting about "how the toxic internet is hurting them" is garbage
▶ No.919988>>919989 >>920026
>>919981
It's possible to make friends on the internet if not all of your communication is via incognito picturepanels.
>I never even seen a gay / trans person in real life
You have, you just weren't aware.
▶ No.919989>>919992 >>920157
>>919988
Gays, sure. Trans, lolno.
▶ No.919991>>920258
>>919890
>>919695 (OP)
somehow I should have known that this is going to happen becayse 9Front's icon is gay flag lol (But I realize that not all gays are >>/oven/ tier SJW or LGBTQ+)
>>919974
What's the story with Gentoo/Funtoo split?
>>919987
Nope. Just keep refreshing the page. it changes a couple of times before revealing the ugly truth. t. not >>919890
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>>919989
In the closet, possibly. There's no good way to know the true incidence.
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>>919992
You are not "transgender" just because you say so any more than you are "transblack" just because you say so. There is a clear difference between an invisible mental illness (homosexuality) and a visible mental illness (body mutilation). If you call yourself "trans" and haven't cut your dick off you're just a LARPer.
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>>919760
IS THERE NO BODY FUCKING PURE IN THIS GODDAMN FUCKING WORLD?
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>>919996
I'm going to hazard a guess that there's some underlying condition that causes people to want to do that, and that it's possible to have that condition without doing that. It's reasonable to use a different definition, though.
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>>919988
>if not all of your communication is via incognito picturepanels
why would you want to do that
▶ No.920028
>>920013
>I'm going to hazard a guess that there's some underlying condition
it's called liberalism and it's treatable with lots of gas
▶ No.920032>>920034
>>920026
to make friends and form personal relationships instead of yelling at your monitor all day
▶ No.920034
>>920032
why would you want to do that
▶ No.920056
>>919760
It's so fucking difficult to read and understand whole sentences?
Jesus, who invents these words?
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* The use of sexualized language or imagery
* Personal attacks
* Trolling or insulting/derogatory comments
* Public or private harassment
* Publishing other's private information, such as physical or
electronic addresses, without explicit permission
* Other unethical or unprofessional conduct
I see no issue.
▶ No.920078>>920084 >>920108
good. Can't wait till all the /pol/niggers are banned from everywhere
▶ No.920080
>If you thought 9front/cat-v had avoided the SJW infection, be warned.
Conquest 's second law of politics: "Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing".
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>>919996
why u be sayin transnigga ain't real fam? it ain't recognized as real like transgingers because you whitey folk all racist know what I'm sayin?
▶ No.920108>>920128
>>920078
Why aren't you using facebook or reddit? You would feel much more at home there.
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>>920084
>>920108
>being anti-/pol/tard makes you leftist
/pol/ is retarded
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>>920128
Put your tripcode back on, cuteposter.
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>>920137
/pol/ *is* retarded. Use mpc or autoadmit.
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>>919981
I've met one tranny in my life. I decided to go through the Starbuck's drive through with Rush Limbaugh playing on the radio, and this 6'+ man with long hair and painted nails and bitchtits handed me my coffee. I haven't been back since
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>>920147
Why are you paying that much for coffee?
▶ No.920157>>920158
>>919989
I hung out with a tranny once. insufferable and over erotic bunch they are. Beleive me, don't stick your dick in crazy.
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>>920157
I don't intend to stick my dick in a man, but thanks nonetheless.
▶ No.920170>>922926
>>919705
1. Op a fag
2. What about DF BSD?
▶ No.920185>>920246
Are you retards serious? It's a parody of Asimov's laws.
▶ No.920229
>>919778
Most of the cocs are clearly satire, but unfortunately the sjw ones are supposed to be "real" ones.
▶ No.920231>>920246 >>920263
Is the OS even actually usable, rather than just being another experiment/curiosity like ReactOS, haiku, TempleOS, AROS etc.? Anyone here ever tried to use plan9 as a daily driver?
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>>920185
If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.
Going to http://9front.org/coc loads one of a number of different documents edited in some way to refer to 9front. Yes, one of them is a parody of Asimov's laws. Another is based on the Boy Scout pledge. Reload the page and you'll likely get a different one.
The point is that while 9front seemed to be taking the piss out of the whole concept of the CoC, they apparently do enforce a rather strict feefees-based policy in least some parts of the project, in this case IRC.
>>920231
It depends on what you mean by usable. 9front supports some real hardware, including several models of Thinkpad. It supports a number of common Ethernet devices, a handful of wireless adapters, and can do WPA WiFi. You can do email, read pdfs, view images in common formats (jpg, png, gif, etc.), and browse the Web with mothra (no javascript). You can listen to audio files, but I don't believe there's any way to watch video. IIRC, there's an emulation layer that allows you to run Linux binaries (x86 32-bit), so some people run a modern web browser that way when they need javascript for something. I've never tried it.
For most people, no, it would not be suitable as a daily driver, but that's because most people, even on /tech/, are addicted to video games and YouTube. A lot of /tech/nicians are still stuck on Windows because of vidya, so obviously 9front would be a non-starter.
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>>919991
> Nope. Just keep refreshing the page. it changes a couple of times before revealing the ugly truth
You mean that there is no coc?
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>>920258
Read the emails linked in the OP.
▶ No.920263
>>920231
> daily driver
Where do you want to drive?
For starters, you're not going to find botnet web 2.0 browser on any of those OS. Even OpenBSD/arm doesn't have them yet.
▶ No.920288>>920299
>>919770
How the fuck do I deactivate FF emoji rendering
▶ No.920299
>>920288
get a better browser
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>>920246
>You can do email, read pdfs, view images in common formats (jpg, png, gif, etc.), and browse the Web with mothra (no javascript). You can listen to audio files, but I don't believe there's any way to watch video
So you mean to say it's slightly less functional than Windows 98 was 20 years ago?
▶ No.920503>>920803 >>920891
What is the recommended partition size for 9front, assuming that data will generally be kept on a different partition? What filesystems are supported?
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>>920503
>What is the recommended partition size for 9front,
Now that they're an SJW project, the recommended partition size for 9front is 0.0 KiB.
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>>920503
For learning it: idk whatevet it fits it something like 8-20gb should be good.
For using it: whatever you want.
▶ No.920906>>921033
>>920891
Why so large? The ISO is in the hundred of MBs ballpark, so how large can a fresh intallation be, a gig or slightly more tops? Why all the space, what are you going to use it for if you keep data on another partition? Wouldn't 3-4 gigs be more than plenty (assuming any swap partition, if any, is separate, dunno yet how 9front handles swap).
▶ No.920908>>920979 >>921039
So ist there any actual (i.e. non-FUD) evidence whether the sjw cocs are unironical or just satire like all the other ones?
▶ No.920979
>>920908
The CoCs on 9front.org are obvious jokes, the IRC channel follows a reasonable policy that people here would consider SJWy.
▶ No.921033>>921074
>>920906
Because you cant find tiny ass drives and the installer makes a bunch or partitions.
Also who knows maybe you want to test the emulators.
▶ No.921039
>>920908
>So ist there any actual (i.e. non-FUD) evidence
https://my.mixtape.moe/dbvmmr.txt
▶ No.921074
>>921033
>Because you cant find tiny ass drives
But you can make tiny ass partitions, if it's part of a multiboot setup it will need its own partition anyway, why make it way larger than it needs to be? Two or three times the size of the initial install should be plenty for an OS if you want to test it and keep any data on another partition.
>the installer makes a bunch of partitions.
Can you say more on that? Is it like with *BSD where the partition is carved up into subpartitions ("slices" in the case of *BSD)? Or does it need multiple regular MBR (or EFI) partitions for itself?
>maybe you want to test the emulators.
Can you be more specific?
▶ No.921233>>921270 >>922659
>>919760
DragonFlyBSD still exists I guess.
▶ No.921270>>921280
>>921233
This.
DragonflyBSD is some good shit. Been thinking about porting amdgpu to since i have an RX 550.
▶ No.921273>>921277
How many of you actually visited the site?
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>>921273
you fa/g/s really are retarded.
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>>921270
Hahaha, no.
I'm not familiar with why it hasn't been ported to dragonfly, but the reason why it hasn't been ported to openbsd is because that 1 driver is close to 3 times the size of the entire openbsd kernel source.
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>>921280
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph Stalin. Can we please go back to directly programming hardware instead of going through rediculous driver layers?
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▶ No.921573
>giving a few shits about google's favorite OS
>ever
lispnigger was right
▶ No.922133
Literally no one gives a shit about some obscure """os""".
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▶ No.922687>>922688 >>922923
The CoC is a joke and the "real" one is satire. The IRC is separate and ran by one of the developers, who probably doesn't want anyone to come and shit it up with /pol/-tier garbage.
If you care about the beliefs and personal disagreements of the developers surrounding the software you use rather than the software itself, you might as well stop using computers all together. Blame the art, not the artist.
▶ No.922688>>922698
>>922687
Well it's not that simple. What the developers believe has an impact on the software. Look at how Mozilla turned out. It's a bunch of shit now that's not even 10% as nice as it was 15 years ago.
▶ No.922698
>>922688
I agree that, if the politics is drastically intertwined with the quality of the software, it's a worthy topic. As long as it doesn't affect the software, it's irrelevant. In 9front's case, it's so.
Also, to elaborate, this was a feud on IRC between two developers, not directly having anything to do with, well, anything other than themselves. While it is concerning that one of the more active devs is pretty trigger happy with bans, the OS itself is in no way changed by this.
I don't think /tech/ should be about politics or personal drama, if it has nothing to do with technology.
▶ No.922914
THE OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITEEEEEE
▶ No.922920
>>919760
While we're too busy worrying about pronouns, other countries that don't give a fuck about LBGTQIAPTXYZWWW++++ will pull ahead. It's been fun guys.
▶ No.922923>>923123
>>922687
>The CoC is a joke and the "real" one is satire.
That's what I used to think, too. Apparently, we were wrong.
>The IRC is separate
What, because it's not hosted on the 9front domain? That's a meaningless distinction. It is the official IRC for the project.
>and ran by one of the developers,
This is not a point in favor of your argument.
>who probably doesn't want anyone to come and shit it up with /pol/-tier garbage.
This is demonstrably false. Read the emails. https://my.mixtape.moe/dbvmmr.txt There's a full essay on (trans)gender identity and muh feels in there. That's more than just "Hey, fair warning, keep the /pol/ shit to yourself." This was an immediate ban of a project contributor because an SJW got triggered. Don't try to whitewash it.
>If you care about the beliefs and personal disagreements of the developers surrounding the software you use rather than the software itself, you might as well stop using computers all together
That would be an excellent message to share with the SJWs who are now running at least some of the 9front project, who appear to value politically correct, tranny-positive political opinions and speech over technology.
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>>920170
DragonFlyBSD is the even more autistic son of FreeBSD
▶ No.923123
>>922923
Let me back down like a sissy, and say that my first thought was, that this is just another case of someone blatantly fucking around on IRC or misinterpeting the CoC. Too long, didn't read, etc, etc. I was wrong, and this is worrying from a community perspective, as Aram, a long-time developer, just seemed to half-jokingly express whether something was ironic or not, and criticised a raging feminista, not directly commenting on their transexuality. It's even more worrying, as it becomes obvious in his later reply, that he doesn't have any opinions that someone might deem "fierce". Hope this doesn't somehow extend outside aiju's control.
The question is, what did he really say? Does anyone have the logs?
Also, from the mail logs:
>9trans
A slippery slope it is, being inclusive.
▶ No.926568
>>922926
at least DragonFlyBSD doesn't suck a huge SJW Coc(k) FreeBSD is now obsolete imo. OpenBSD has better security, NetBSD supports more architectures and DragonFlyBSD has the best file system and the best SMP support