[–]▶ No.890538>>890584 >>890766 >>891374 >>903389 >>903904 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]
>the teaspoon of removable media
>small, thin, cheap
>write protection switch
>perfect for text files
>usable forever if reformatted
>secure wiping by fridge magnet
>paper labels with your name
>gone too soon
▶ No.890544>>890563
>>>>>usable forever
<???
>>>>>paper labels
<as if you can't label flash drives
>>>>>cheap
<Nowadays, maybe
OP dont forget
>Slow
>Small filesize
>Large physical size
▶ No.890553>>890556
What's that thing?, isn't that the icon for saving in videogames?
▶ No.890556>>890579
>>890553
You already made this joke in the other thread and nobody laughed at it because we've all already heard it before. >>836281
▶ No.890563>>890567 >>890572 >>890616
>>890544
>Large physical size
Size was about right. Small enough to fit in your pocket, big enough to hold in your hand.
Closest analog today would be micro SD Cards, and good luck finding those if you drop them.
▶ No.890567>>890586
>>890563
>micro
Have you forgotten the existence of standard SD cards?
▶ No.890572
>>890563
>Small enough to fit in your pocket
That's a great way to destroy floppies.
▶ No.890579>>890582
>>890556
I'm not that person, and I don't understand what makes you think I am if it's so common.
▶ No.890582
I used to store Quake 2 player skins on those. Those were the days.
>>890579
It was probably because you and the other comedian are both huge faggots. He must have though that it's unlikely for two people to be this gay, so it must be a single living abortion.
▶ No.890584>>890585 >>892336
>>890538 (OP)
>3.5" shit tier "floppy"
nigga please
▶ No.890586>>890590
>>890567
I only see microSD + standard SD Adapter in shop these days.
▶ No.890590>>890615 >>890668
>>890586
>in shop
Which shop? Many DSLR cameras can only take SD cards, and you can't get sufficient performance from a micro with an adapter, which is why there still are full size SDs with over 100MBps transfer rates in photography shops.
▶ No.890615
>>890590
also micro crap dies more often in my experience.
▶ No.890616>>890633
>>890563
What the fuck shape are your pockets
▶ No.890630>>890635
> games that fitted on a single floppy
No HD needed. No disk swapping. Purrrfect.
▶ No.890633>>903419
>>890616
>he doesn't remember how big nerd pockets were
▶ No.890635>>890637
>>890630
> those disk labels
▶ No.890637
>>890635
this would require 12GB now from the coolest blue haired zir, available only on steam, require 2GB ram minimum and still run like shit on a 3ghz processor.
▶ No.890638>>890669 >>890725 >>903853
>slow piece of shit
>noisy
>dinosaur capacity
>usable until it wont mount
>insecure wiping by fridge magnet
>removing paper labels and trying to locate new ones
>gone before I was born
ftfy
▶ No.890643>>890648 >>890651
Stuff you don't see anymore: cracktros/trainers.
▶ No.890648>>890651
>>890643
Also, with BBS ads!
▶ No.890651>>890735 >>890774
>>890643
>>890648
Those are some awesome tunes right there. Wish I had an Amiga to make some music on.
▶ No.890655
Stuff you don't see anymore: musicdisks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsLzUN4bELA&t=0s&index=2&list=PL302B754BD1587961
(ironically, video is too big to upload here)
▶ No.890663>>890666 >>890672 >>890689
I have a box with 8 of them right now, all in good state, what should I save on them?, they're 1.44MB each.
▶ No.890666>>890667 >>890730
>>890663
Made a floppy raid and upload stallman memes
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▶ No.890668
>>890590
Any local consumer electronics store that I visited. Maybe I should try photography shops next time.
▶ No.890669>>890701
>>890638
>noisy
audible storage access announcement
▶ No.890672>>890730
>>890663
Private gpg keys.
▶ No.890689>>890730
>>890663
Unless you have hardware without optical drives or USB, there's no point in using them.
▶ No.890701
>>890669
Disks aren't even that loud anyway. Now tapes and those god-awful screeching modem sounds...
▶ No.890725
>>890638
>gone before I was born
gtfo newfag
▶ No.890730
>>890666
I was thinking of putting anime memes on them, stallman sounds good too.
>>890672
that's actually pretty smart.
>>890689
memes.
▶ No.890735>>890746 >>890770 >>890772 >>890806
>>890651
You can make tracker music on a PC just as well.
https://openmpt.org/
>inb4 Windows-only
it not only runs well under Wine, it's actually Wine-aware and can interface directly with ALSA or PulseJewdio for best audio latency.
▶ No.890746>>890772
>>890735
Cool. Thanks for the link. I don't use Windows or Wine, but I might actually give a look into it and see how much trouble it would be to port. Do you know of any videos or examples of this software being used? I really want that "chip-tune" sound that the Amiga hardware produces.
▶ No.890766>>891154
>>890538 (OP)
>>the teaspoon of removable media
No computer uses it anymore though. So you can't say that. Back when floppy drives were still expensive Audio Cassette tapes were the "teaspoon of removable media"
Today its SD cards that take that title. And unlike Audio Cassettes and Floppy discs, they're able to be made extremely small, passively adaptable to other sizes, and are more robust in construction, so we really have little reason to move on from them. People need to remember that the world of storage devices was still very experimental back in the 1980s because this was before the times of Industry Consortiums drafting standard specifications like what we have today with things like AHCI, SATA, NVMe, USB, and SD. Virtually none of these existed back then and the few that did were relegated to high-end workstations. The industry is sick and fucking tired of format wars. Especially after Sonys sad attempts at introducing their proprietary formats that always ended in failure, Betamax, UMD, and their memory sticks. Blu-Ray is the only exception because there was arguably a lot more industry involvement in its development.
▶ No.890770>>890885
>>890735
Consider milkytracker for .mod/.xm
Consider schismtracker for .it though main dev decided to be a tranny a few years back and was sounding really depressed and suicidal around that time, which is a bit concerning
There were also some trackers with new, non-traditional formats, but I forgot their names.
▶ No.890772>>890784 >>890885
>>890735
>or PulseJewdio
>best audio latency
Surely you jest.
There are many trackers for gnaa/lunix too.
>>890746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2s04YYO0Wg explains it from scratch.
▶ No.890774>>890784
>>890651
There are a few pretty good Protracker II clones for windows around. Open source too. Maybe go with a tracker that can do 16-bit samples though. 8-bit samples limited the Amiga tunes, especially by the time the AGA chipset machines came out (A1200, A4000).
▶ No.890784>>890802
>>890772
Cool video. Giving it a watch right now.
>>890774
That nostalgia though.
Look at all this gold.
▶ No.890802>>891154 >>891399
>>890784
Speaking of nostalgia, God do I miss ceramic chip packaging. I still have an AMD Duron processor sitting on a shelf, it was one of the last mainstream CPUs to still use ceramic packaging.
▶ No.890806>>890808
>>890735
>Wine-aware
Is this a thing? Why do this instead of just a native port?
▶ No.890808
>>890806
Because the reality is that the majority of PCs do run Windows and it's likely easier to make a program Wine-aware since you don't need a cross-platform development environment and can just do it all from Windows?
▶ No.890881>>891830 >>891876
I got cockblocked by floppies twice as a kid when I tried to share my cracked version of ElastoMania with friends. Got a "cyclical redundancy check error", whatever that is.
▶ No.890885
>>890770
>>890772
Old DOS tracker ported to Unix. Saves to MOD and FNK formats. There's a FreeBSD port, but it's marked broken on ARM (sounds fixable though).
https://www.freebsd.org/ports/audio.html
▶ No.890892
COPS CAN'T BUST MY DEALS NOW YO
▶ No.890918>>890978
What should I run from my floppies? I know that LEAF and tomsrtbt will boot from a floppy, and I need to make a decision since my PC only supports booting from floppy and from laptop IDE
▶ No.890945>>890948
Question
If I was doing a retro build, which floppy drive would you suggest buying ( assuming its findable ).
▶ No.890948>>890950
>>890945
What architecture, what era?
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▶ No.890966
▶ No.890969>>891193
>usable forever
haha no
Perhaps if you hoarded blank floppies manufactured pre-1997 the storage would survive writing textfiles, assuming the floppy drive didn't damage the disc sectors or the disc itself had faults ( 25% of them did, a $25 20 pack in 1995 had 4-6 badeggs )
▶ No.890978
>>890918
OS on a floppy, runs smooth on a 386 with 8 megs RAM.
▶ No.890986>>891004 >>892205
The problem with floppies is they stagnated. Hardly anyone adapted the 2.88 meg floppy or the even smaller 2-inch disks. The big capacity disks were all proprietary and only sold as after-market drives.
▶ No.891004
>>890986
ZIP bays were included in some PCs
▶ No.891154
>>890766
Jesus god those things were slow. My first programs were text based games similar to Infocom stuff. Those cassettes are probably still in my mothers barn.
>>890802
I saved my Barton 2500 for the same reason. That thing with a 6800gs was the king of budget gaming rigs.
▶ No.891157
>usable forever if reformatted
You forgot to mention they fail if you sneeze near them too hard
▶ No.891159
>grandpa, what is the save icon even supposed to be?
▶ No.891193
>>890969
Can confirm. I was still reusing shit-tier AOL floppies from the early nineties, but the disks I bought new in the late nineties were almost always DOA.
▶ No.891334>>891341 >>891728
i got my first zip drive today
▶ No.891341
>>891334
>one click and your files are zip
▶ No.891374
>>890538 (OP)
data gets corrupted on them for no reason
▶ No.891399>>891714 >>891747
>>890802
i have an athlon xp 2000+, does that have ceramic packaging? wanna know whether that's what it is like
▶ No.891714
>>891399
it doesn't, thunderbird was the last core to use it, also VIA C3's were packaged this way. athlon xp's starting with palomino core are just ordinary pcb laminate. So is barton, barton just has twice the cache hence the longer core.
▶ No.891728
>>891334
Click click click click click click click click
▶ No.891747
>>891399
no, athlon xp was OPGA
▶ No.891786>>891823
Can you copy Lemmings for me, anon?
▶ No.891823
>>891786
Device = trackdisk.device
Unit = 0
LowCyl = 0
HighCyl = 79
Surfaces = 2
Buffers = 25
BlocksPerTrack = 11
▶ No.891825
1440 KiB outghtta be enuff for anybody
▶ No.891830>>891834
>>890881
>"System restore disk"
>"do not erase"
>stuck with a magnet
unironical or lulz?
▶ No.891834>>891842
>>891830
This won't actually erase the data, the magnet isn't strong enough
▶ No.891842>>891872
>>891834
>a magnet more than an inch wide isn't strong enough
You thought you need a hugeass magnet like one from cranes that lift wrecked vehicles?
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▶ No.891876>>891887 >>892205
>>890881
If you don't know what CRC is you should fuck off to /r/linux or 4chan or whatever.
▶ No.891887>>891893
>>891876
So I googled it, read the opening paragraph of the Wikipedia article on CRC, and now I too know what it is. Was it really worth insulting me over something that takes 5 minutes to understand?
▶ No.891893>>891922
>>891887
If you're not willing to do a basic google search you shouldn't be insulted. You should be vaporized.
▶ No.891922>>891953 >>891955
>>891893
Calm the fuck down dude. If I hadn't included those last 3 words in the post, you wouldn't have said anything. When you're ready to apologize for the abusive and inappropriate behavior you've just displayed, I'll be waiting.
▶ No.891953
>>891922
>When you're ready to apologize for the abusive and inappropriate behavior you've just displayed, I'll be waiting.
▶ No.891955>>891957
>>891922
>xkcd
Just reinforcing his point that you don't belong here.
▶ No.891957>>891972
>>891955
What are you talking about? Reddit is all about xkcd.
▶ No.891972>>892216
>>891957
ironic shitposting is still shitposting
▶ No.892205>>892218 >>892284 >>903587
>>891876
No need to get mad. CRC is basically what dinosaurs had instead of MD5, grandpa.
>>890986
Back to floppies, those are some sexy disks. Yes solid state tech (flashdrives, SD cards, SSD's) is superior to floppies with moving parts. But the feels will never be the same.
▶ No.892216
>>891972
Then what is unironic shitposting?
▶ No.892218>>903527
>>892205
>MD5 is basically what dinosaurs had instead of SHA256, grandpa
fix'd
▶ No.892244>>892249 >>892251
If Floppies were made with CY+3 tech what kind of storage size could we get out of a 3.5 inch floppy?
▶ No.892249>>892261
>>892244
A solid state "floppy" which would be a huge SD card could store 1 TB or more.
But even if you'd keep the moving parts to be a true disk, even then, I guesstimate multiple GB's looking at DVDs and Blu-rays.
▶ No.892251>>892256
>>892244
Assuming the magnetic sheet of the floppy has a surface area of around 35 in^2 and assuming Sony's reported data density of their newest magnetic tape isn't bullshit and is actually 201 Gbit/in^2 then the answer is a lot.
▶ No.892256>>904115
>>892251
Where are my 1TB floppies? I need them.
▶ No.892261>>903911
>>892249
Yeah no solid state it needs the comfy read/write noises.
▶ No.892264>>892308
>Search for floppy drive sounds to take me back
>It's all people playing meme music on banks of them
▶ No.892284>>892301
>>892205
CRC32 is still heavily used, for example in ZIP files.
▶ No.892301
>>892284
Short hashing algorithms make more sense with small files, where collision probablity stays acceptably small.
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▶ No.892336>>903404
>>890584
>not using 8" hard sectored floppy's
nigger PLEASE
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=sAHIR2OYNVU
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▶ No.903389
>>890538 (OP)
You can't wipe it with a fridge magnet. You need at least a very large neodymium magnet, something like half the size of the disk.
▶ No.903404
>>892336
b:\ drive, you will always be remembered.
▶ No.903419
>>890633
>Even nerd pockets are smaller in 2010s
▶ No.903527
>>892218
>SHA256 is basically what dinosaurs had instead of BLAKE2 and Skein, grandpa
▶ No.903587
>>892205
>CRC is basically what dinosaurs had instead of MD5, grandpa.
Topkek. CRC and MD5 belong to entirely different domains, and you should kill yourself for such a heavy LARPing.
▶ No.903608>>903621
No, goy, don't use physical media and keep local copies of your personal files! Use our nice cloud based solution, we'll even give you 10TB of storage for all your Word documents.
▶ No.903621>>903625 >>903659
>>903608
You can't encrypt physical media, and it's only available if you have it in your hands. Also physical media breaks down, the cloud doesn't. The cloud encrypts your stuff and you can access it anywhere
▶ No.903625>>903630
>>903621
>You can't encrypt physical media
Speak for yourself.
▶ No.903630>>903633
>>903625
you can't securely encrypt it
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▶ No.903642>>903659
>>903633
Same can be argued about the cloud encryption, but the idea is that when the alphabet soup agent comes over and uses a nutfucker to fuck up your nuts, there is no such encryption that would be secure.
▶ No.903650>>903656
>small
You fucking what.
>cheap
Not if you take in account price per storage.
>usable forever
I'm pretty sure you were born way after people stopped using them. Mechanical moving parts love to shit the bed.
Usb sticks are way better in every single aspect. I wish floppies would be gone harder, so my desktop wouldn't show me a ghost floppy that I misclick often and it takes it sweet time trying to read from a non-existent device.
▶ No.903656
>>903650
>his shit OS displays ghost devices
>his shit OS actually tries to access ghost devices
▶ No.903659
>>903621
>You can't encrypt physical media
Dumbest poster on /tech/.
>>903642
Because none of the cloud providers would ever sell your data or share it with the NSA, or blatantly lie about how their encrypton/key storage works and then their lie gets exposed by a hack that leaks everyones data... oh wait.
▶ No.903851
>>890539
>what is menuetos
▶ No.903853
>>890638
>dinosaur capacity
▶ No.903904
>>890538 (OP)
After ~10 years most floppies seem to be unreadable, sadly. I've found a lot of old games and tried to run them (on Win98 installs) and the disk itself was gone to shit. :>\
I still have one USB floppy drive around, but it's been ~15+ years since I've used it for any floppy disk that worked.
▶ No.903911>>903912 >>904110
>>892261
>Yeah no solid state it needs the comfy read/write noises.
Some SSD's do make a very faint ticking noise; some while and some v-e-r-y faintly click a lot like a mechanical drive.
I know it's just microchips inside, and I know it should be totally silent. But many aren't.
What's annoying is when you buy a laptop with a (silent) SSD and no HD activity light. So you can't tell if (after you click on something) if the damn thing is really trying to open a file/start a program or not. Mebbe the SSDs need a speaker on there that makes an optional noise...
▶ No.903912
>>903911
Shit.
I meant to say:
Some SSD's do make a very faint ticking noise; some WHINE and some make a v-e-r-y faintly clicking sound a lot like a mechanical drive.
▶ No.903940
>>890539
>he doesn't have linux on a floppy just in case
▶ No.904110
>>903911
You can probably use an i/o system monitor, but yeah it's annoying to not have any feedback built-in.
▶ No.904115
>>892256
You wouldn't want to bankrupt your poor jewish overlords now would you sweet goyim?