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>using terminal text editors in a terminal window to make window programs

>using bloated IDE

How about a normal GUI text editor?

farm the rice pay the price

>>888577 (OP)

My answer can be found at >>>/g/

>>888599

Not even god has mercy for java programmers

>>888599

You don't need god, when you have a fat paycheck

Jokes on you I use Nano

ed master race

>>888577 (OP)

>IDEs have the same functionality out of the box and just werk

Except when they don't.

>>888624

what can your rice do that ides cant?

>>888599

>Java programmers use Eclipse

Are you posting from 2007 or what?

>>888612

*tip*

>>888633

<autism>No, I am posting from my house.</autism>

What I am posting is what I see almost every day at work when I happen to look at one of our developer's screens. Large corporate Java is done in Eclipse.

>>888678

Jesus fuck no, sysadmin.

I did, however, use Java in university.

>>888631

Have multiple language support, including stuff like Latex. Acting as a simple editor when you just want to edit is also good. Basically, modularity.

>>888577 (OP)

>normalfag retardism

>he uses an IDE which crashes every 5 minutes and takes 40 seconds to do any action and has to press project -> clean project every 10 minutes to get IDE back into a less broken state

vim is pretty shit too though

>>888624

IDEA is shit too and so is netbeaner, you hipster faggot

>>888719

>vim is shit

so..emacs?

Just don't use an IDE it gets inconvenient for most thing and if you want to swap compiler options it's super easy to do so. The only problem is GDB makes me want to hang myself.

>>888719

>Clean

Visual Studio is not Eclipse. In fact, it is quite fast. Literally the only bad thing about it is that it is proprietary Microsoft shitware.

>>888740

if visual studio is so good then why did they release a separate editor?

>>888739

Have you ever tried gdb's tui mode (--tui)?

When I use Emacs, I miss IDE features.

When I use an IDE, I miss Emacs features.

There are people smarter than me that use everything from Emacs to nano to acme to Eclipse.

Wow!

notepad++ (notepadqq on linux) master race.

>>888765

Too bad the developer doesn't allow me to use it because I don't wear a fedora.

>>888740

VS is shit too

>>888837

I've been programming for 20+ years and always used VS.

Joke's on you. I use VS code

>>888842

>atom

>>888844

>let's make a text editor

>it cannot do basic text editing tasks like efficiently rendering a text file

>who cares it's open source fix it if you don't like it LMAO

>>888618

This. I usually run GNU ed in eshell inside GNU emacs. But you are (pretty much) required to use VisualStudio for .Net and eclipse/netbeans/IntelliJ for java

>>888740

>>888839

I use VisualStudio for .net, and it is not fast or lightweight.

>>888758

Embrace modes.

>>888577 (OP)

>>carmack uses visual studio and he is a better programmer than any of you

Carmack cares about the problems he's solving, not the garbage that he uses to solve the problems. Mostly.

>>889053

I thought it sounded to awkward to say that the IDE created that line.

>>888736

No, Neovim.

>>888928

I have. None of them have a proper understanding of my code.

>>889068

Reread my original comment. I did not complain about having to write it. I was just disappointed that I had to break the 80 character rule just for an import statement.

>>888750

Interesting, THX for the tip.

You know everybody bitches about web development and Javascript but at least I don't have to program on Windows using Visual fucking Studio.

>>889097

>nodejs development in Visual Studio and Edge

I can't imagine a more retarded fucking outfit. It smells like pure Pajeet. Pajeets LOVE Windows for some reason. Everybody where I work hates Windows and Edge specifically because when we get a bug on that shitblasted platform we have to fuck around with VMs to test it out. 100% of the server code runs on linux images, usually alpine because it's small as fuck.

>>888702

>ides aren't modular

kekaroonie

>>889099

whatever gets the job done quicker/easier is what is usually preferred from businesses is it not? Ngl I'm already getting ready to leave linux for now because of the issues I've had with centos/ RHEL 7 and trying to install nvidia drivers for it..

KEPT FUCKING WITH BOOTING SO I HAD TO ABANDON IT and jump to Ubuntu Studio which is having problems of its own that I cannot resolve despite giving in a good effort of googling the problems.

Sometimes with linux there are just too many problems to resolve that unless you're already very familiar with would have to waste time resolving..

At least with Windows yes it's simple and yes it might make people more technologically illiterate but it's practical in the sense that you don't have to fuck with something breaking every other fucking day depending on what you're doing... As you said >Everybody where I work hates Windows and Edge specifically because when we get a bug on that shitblasted platform we have to fuck around with VMs to test it out.

This is why I am leaving it for now. I gave it a chance, I put an honest effort trying to diagnose shit, but if that isn't enough and you don't have the time to spare or be quick enough that is not always the best choice.

And fucking can't use Unity because they don't really support linux- yet Unreal apparently does... assuming you're using the proprietary graphics drivers..

Alpine was something I tried on an old laptop a few months ago but configuring something that bare was beyond my understanding of the OS. But kudos for its simplicity, secureness (as they claim) and size. It ran on something with very low specs despite it being modern. Maybe I'm just too stupid for it.

>>888894

He had a note on his site for a bit that said "if you voted for trump don't use notepad++ :)"

>>888577 (OP)

Carmack did use vi during his break when learning about I think it was machine learning or something similar.

>>889262

Why are so many FLOSSfags such liberal faggots?

>>889272

Free software is a political movement, which means people who are part of it are more likely to have outspoken political opinions.

Contrary to what some people might tell you there's no strong link between skill/intelligence and position on any political spectrum - intelligent people are a bit more likely to have extreme political opinions, but it's all over the place.

Many liberals exist.

That's enough to explain it, really, but it probably helps that the whole thing was founded by a liberal.

>>889262

who cares. I'll use it regardless

>>889272

It might have to do with """"""liberals"""""" wanting """"""freedom"""""" while confusing their liberal bent with favoring freedom. Liberalism ain't free.

>>889272

>>889479

Fuck off to cuckchan, alt-right retards

>>889272

because free shit is communist

>>889262

Sucks to be him because I'm using it anyway

>>889276

The real intelligent people realize that politics is fake, and stay away...

>>888599

I use eclipse for c++, lua and js tbh.

>>896049

t. buttmad wh*Teboi

>IDE

>just werk

>takes 9000 years to load up

>enormously bloated interface

>actualy code is 25% of your screen

>need to navigate through 6-7 menus to get to change Makefile options

Just no

>>896056

Well, there you are, everyone. Remember that not using anything that StephenJS does use, is an incredibly time-saving heuristic.

Literally who gives a shit? Just use whatever the fuck you feel most comfortable with for the particular job and shut the fuck up. I can't even believe this ultimate trash thread. Holy SHIT, this has got to be the most boring technology board on the internet. All you cum guzzlers do is compare each other's wrinkly smegma covered dicks about the most mundane crap ever. I mean how fucking pointless does your life have to be when you have to resort to posting in a thread about fucking fonts? While you faggots are busy throwing your feces at each other about who's window manager is marginally better or reinstalling your OS every 5 nanoseconds, a bunch of shitters from /v/ who just learned how code six months ago through Unity have produced more worthwhile content and discussion than this entire board has in an year with its pathetic bi-annual thread about solving entry-level coding puzzles.

All you need is nex/nvi.

>>888765

THANK YOU!

>>888767

>>889262

Notepad++ is developed by Don Ho :https://github.[spoiler][/spoiler]com/donho

Notepadqq is developed by Daniel Di Sarli: https://github.[spoiler][/spoiler]com/danieleds

Good riddance, Sublime Text!

>>888577 (OP)

>IDEs have the same functionality out of the box and just werk

You faggot, you've posted this bait before. IDEs have one feature that vim and emacs lack - telemetry. Poo in loo Pajeets will be reading your code and examining how you use your fucking computer if you use them.

Carmack's no longer an apex programmer either, this isn't 1997.

>>889272

Soy is making them gay and weak flaccid stick-armed soyboys fear conflict and identify as women internally.

IDEs will literally make you gay, and eventually trans. It's happened before.

>>888577 (OP)

>>888579

>>888599

>>888624

>>888719

>>888739

You're all pajeets. "IDEs are shit, so I'm going to waste time assembling my own shitty kludge IDE."

For C++ (and possibly other langs) nothing comes even close to Visual Studio.

>>888599

Better than intellij-shit.

At least it is fast. Compiling hello world takes minutes in intellij ide.

>>896414

>not using maven or gradle

>>896399

For shit languages with tons of boilerplate like c++ and java you need one. Those are the languages pajeet writes all day so it makes sense.

I hate having to move my hand from the home row. I understand that at one point VS had an addon to make the editor vi-like, but last I checked it wasn't updated for newer versions of VS.

>>896432

i'm sure you need the latest and greatest, which is why you use a 30 year old editor.

>>889071

(not that anon)

80 characters is a good width for readability, and I don't want to expand the window just for one line. If not 80 characters, then there most be some fixed width for lines to fit multiple windows on one screen without line wrapping or horizontal scrolling.

>>896427

>t. python "programmer"

>>896563

>Anyone that hates java and c++ must be a python programmer

>GUI idiots = Jetbrains

>Making money when idiot bought their product

>"Clion lol"

Ide makes your brain dead. I use so many ide and what I feel that I can't think out of the box because everything is so well baked but when you know how to do rather than where to download (full of ads)

You will learn so many things in your life

>>896399

I use Qt on Windows and Linux. With Windows, it's setup to use mingw32, mingw64, Visual C++. Debugging is OK but the only thing that's not quite as good as just using Visual Studio. It's nice to use the same IDE across both OSes and for both compilers though.

vim always seemed kind of dumb. Just as good keyboard shortcuts in IDEs, plus far superior debugging and refactoring tools.

>>896414

I used Eclipse for 10 years and just made the switch to IntelliJ IDEA. I've never, ever been happier with a change in software. If its been a few years since you've tried IntelliJ, give it another shot. It's been massively improved.