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 No.852905>>852913 >>852920 >>852933 >>853155 >>853276 >>853331 >>853459 >>853505 >>854889 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>looking for jobs

>every single offer is asking for years of experience with a certain technology/framework/thing

>just want a junior dev position

why is it so hard to find entry level dev jobs?

 No.852912>>852964 >>853442

>jobs require experience

wew, who would have ever thought that


 No.852913>>853172

>>852905 (OP)

H1B


 No.852920>>852925 >>852969 >>853201 >>853385

>>852905 (OP)

>go to college career fair

>hand out resumes

>get an internship

>do well at internship

>move to full time after internship ends

I don't really know what you're supposed to do after graduating college though. I mean getting an internship while still in college is basically a requirement, it's more important than the degree itself. You don't need nepotism or normalfag networking either, the most "networking" I ever did was showing up at career fairs and handing out my resume and basically saying

>p-please respond


 No.852925>>852926

>>852920

>p-please respond

>HR drone sees spaghetti flowing out of anons pockets

>takes greasy resume and says "sure thing kid"

>anon turns around and walks away leaving a trail of noodles

>HR drone throws resume into the trash and wipes hands


 No.852926>>852929

>>852925

Depends on the company. I tried one that was obviously some fat HR woman who couldn't give a shit, even came back later to do an interview, and was rejected. But a bunch where just regular salary guys that volunteered or got voluntold to do the career fair thing for good boy points. I ended up working with the same guys I handed my resume to, one of them even sits in the cube next to mine. Both software devs.

It seemed to me like the ones that had a bunch of corporate sponsored "merch" to hand out for free, like cups and keychains and lanyards, tended to be the ones that were manned by some soulless HR drone. On the other hand the ones that didn't have all that crap were more likely to be manned by regular workers, devs, and engineers.


 No.852929>>852930 >>852931

>>852926

Are you a burger though?


 No.852930>>852932

>>852929

please answer this, there are no college career fairs over here so i don't know what is it he is talking about.


 No.852931>>852936


 No.852932

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>>852930

They look like this and are official events where a college or university invites companies to come set up a stand and talk to students and collect resumes.


 No.852933

>>852905 (OP)

They ask a lot but they'll get the first guy that can make FizzBuzz.

They are that desperate. If you are decent, go for it.


 No.852936>>852966

>>852931

>tfw yuropoor


 No.852964>>852972

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>>852912

>jobs require experience

>experience requires working at a said job


 No.852966>>852972

>>852936

I had that and I'm yuropoor. They practically begged us to come I got in and I'll be paid 1500€ for a fucking internship. Nice, I say.


 No.852969

>>852920

This. Get an internship. Every one that I've seen in the tech industry is paid not much but better then nothing. Do a good job, work hard, talk about loonix all the time and you'll go places


 No.852972>>852977 >>853065

>>852966

Wew, you got an internship while also getting paid, in yurop? I couldn't find a place even if I begged and worked for free.

What are you, a kraut-anon?

>>852964

No, jobs require experience, how you develop such experience doesn't particularly matter.


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>>852972

>he's not a kraut

>meine gesichte wenn


 No.852988>>852990 >>853434

Here, have the story of my job hunt. It has a happy ending. Hopefully there are lessons to learn in it.

>Go to university.

>Work 3-month contract at nearby small business.

>Their IT department is less than 4 years old.

>The snakeoil salesman in charge of it is like a more sinister version of Michael Scott from The Office that apparently had the entire original IT department resign due to his management style.

>Contract not renewed and I dodged a bullet.(60hr weeks for full-time workers were common, can't actually use PTO, no training, no code reviews, no QA, most projects started outsourced by pajeets to then be made functional there)

>Graduate

The following experiences are in no particular order

>Apply for government job and get to wait 30 minutes in the back of their office because I was 10 minutes early to the interview.

> The panel consisted of a old Asian man, a pajeet, and a woman that pretty much laughed me out of the building after asking "In your last job, how did you deal with X?" ten times and giving me a written technical test written in Engrish.

>Interview for military job 3 months after applying to it.

>Panel consists of pajeet, boomer, and young guy who is apparently prohibited to speak.

>Boomer looks at my resume, cringes heavily.

>They proceed to berate my existing experience in the most professional manner they can.

>Pajeet asks technical questions.

>"Why is diversity important?" "How do you ensure [thread] safety?" along with a couple questions that I could answer off the top of my head.

>Get invited from career fair to attend career day at a large insurance company.

>They rattle on and on about how their company "puts lives back together"(instead of jewing people out of money) and how their company was voted by some magazine to be the best place to work.

>Their CEO is such a radical, fun-loving guy that he no longer requires employees to wear a tie. just a suit and dress shoes.

>They give out $5 chineseum bluetooth speakers that have "excellent sound quality".

>They require a 3.6 GPA or "equivalent demonstrable skills" to apply.

>Decide to get a shitty job to reduce my anxiety about becoming homeless whilst job hunting.

>Retail jobs ignore my applications.

>Temp agency provides job on the spot as soon as I pee in a cup and pass a simple dexterity and visual counting test.

>Factory is segregated between blue shirts and temps.

>Temps work full-time and do the heavy lifting, but through clever jewery receive none of the benefits of a full-time employer.

>Three 10 minute breaks across 8 hour shift, including time it takes to get to/from break room

> Require steel-toed boots that really hurt your feet when standing all day.

>Apparently the scheme is to shuffle temps from factory to factory, preventing you from getting the 6-12 months necessary experience to apply as a full-time employee of any one factory. If they get injured or burnt out, they are discarded.

>Machines do all the assembly, so jobs mostly consist of quality control and

>Work as hard as I can, surprised I'm capable of performing two or three times faster than most of my co-workers.

>Finish the pile of parts I was assigned a day ahead of schedule. Get sent home the next day with two hours of pay because I ran out of work.

>They notice my performance and give me a 3-4 man job to do by myself.

>I quit that day because it fully sunk in that they were just going to use my body until it was crippled and pay me less than 20K/year in exchange.

>There were a bunch of nice people there, but almost every temp either had a visibly low IQ or made some bad life decisions.

>Apply for Android/IOS job with MobileAppsCompany.

> 40K is more than 20K of the factory job, and is far better than going homeless

>Ace both technical interviews, dealing exclusively with pajeets

>Contract entails 4-6 weeks of training in exchange for owing 20K if you quit or are fired with cause within 2 years.

>The rest of the contract is 20 pages of terms and conditions in legalese(likely to give them cause to fire you if things don't go well).

>Google the company and find out it's a scam made to exploit pajeets arriving here from India.

>Job would have entailed lying about my job experience to big companies in order to get contract work from them. If things went well, I'd get 40K/year off one or two 70k contracts. If things went poorly, they'd fire me or deny me pay(through the terms of their contract) until I left and owed them 20K.

>Fix up my resume with the advice of a long lost relative who's apparently a vice president of a company somewhere.

>Jobs start responding to my glass door job applications more frequently.

>A bunch of them reject me for still not having enough experience with their technologies.

1/2


 No.852990>>852994 >>853023 >>853183 >>853441

>>852988

>Interview for an entry level position at an advertising company.

>They give a very simple project for me to do in three days, turn it in a day early.

>Ace first interview consisting of whiteboard problems.

>Ace second interview consisting of more whiteboard problems.

>Get hired

And here's the happy ending.

>Ask for 55K salary, they counter with 65K.

>Get hired in alongside a female and an "ACKCHYUALLY" guy, but we each get assigned to separate teams.

>No uniforms.

>Games room with pinball machines and video games.

>Beer on tap(though I don't drink).

>Benefits include health, dental, optical, and a 401k.

>Can work from home if roads are bad, I get the sniffles, or I don't want to put on pants.

>Flexible hours based around attending meetings and getting my work done.

>Can actually use accrued PTO if I give a little notice.

>My team is the only one in the building that runs linux, and despite departmental(helpdesk) pressure they support my decision to do the same.

>My direct supervisor runs Arch, shares the shell scripts he writes to automate certain tasks, and only expects me to work 40 hours a week.

>After two week's training, the other two new-hires are given simple projects to start out. My team is stuck in a shit storm, and so doesn't have the luxury to follow suit.

>They give me two somewhat complex projects with 50/50 expectations I won't be able to complete things on time.

>Finish them on schedule with a ton of support from the team answering questions and QA pointing out my mistakes.

>A 30-minute code review before the end of my build window allowed me to get the feedback of 5 peers on where/how to improve readability and any problems QA would have missed by merely testing the software.

>Personalities vary heavily from position to position, but everyone is friendly enough.

You might have your own takeaways from this wall of text, but mine are that you need a solid resume and some serious luck if you don't have some form of nepotism to benefit from.

2/2


 No.852994>>853023 >>853148

>>852990

>advertising vompany

kys kike


 No.853023>>853148

>>852990

>advertising company

what >>852994 said


 No.853040

I have been interviewing with a local company since November, and still no decision. No other companies seem to be hiring 1-5 year experience positions. Everything is either Internship or Manager/Senior/Principal positions.


 No.853065>>853094

>>852972

>kraut-anon

Nah, frog here. I'm doing a supposedly god tier master, though. I must be the only one using a POSIX platform at home, kill me.


 No.853087

It's pretty lame, but try working with a recruiter. I got my job by being a contractor for a year then being recruited full time.

Businesses like contractor positions for junior devs so they can just not renew if they turn out to be idiots.


 No.853093

My life OP:

>have experience, but not work experience

>don't do internship since don't have time

>graduate

>search for job for half a year

>eventually someone who saw my student profile e-mails me about a job (or course, I applied to jobs in between, did interviewing and all that)

>get hired

Look, entry level jobs should say something like 0-3 years experience. Figure out the niche you want to go into and, on your own, study the things related to that field. Make things related to it so that you have something to show for it (if asked) and then just add it to your resume. "Oh, it says you built XYZ on your resume, explain how you went about designing and creating it?"

That's step one, step to is to take advantage of any networks you do have access to. Why? Simple, the point of those networks (from school of family's work) is so that they have an inherent disposition towards thinking you're qualified (e.g. nepotism, i.e. you're not trying to win, you're trying to not lose since you default on good terms).

The above is what you do if you didn't get an internship. If you did get an internship, that's your work experience, mark it down, apply either way (even if it says years. As long as it's under, say, 2 and you can prove you do it, who gives a shit?)


 No.853094>>853096

>>853065

>I must be the only one using a POSIX platform at home

Nothing unusual, my peers can't go beyond running Ubuntu in a VM from Wangblows besides those literal fags with Macbooks

Doesn't Windows support POSIX as well?


 No.853096

>>853094

Do you count Linux for Windows 10 or Things like mingw as ((support)))?


 No.853139>>853149 >>853153 >>853223 >>853276 >>854162

>look for job

>get one that pays more than you wanted

>According to globalrichlist.com, it puts you in the 0.34%

>get a company car too

Why do so many fags think that they have to program things?

t. sysadmin pro


 No.853148>>853174 >>853276

>>852994

>>853023

If it counts for anything, we don't spam people and everything's on an opt-in, opt-out basis. Do you two currently have jobs that are morally superior to mine(in which case, please at least tell me what kind of company. I will probably switch jobs later in my career when I have the 3-5 years of experience most jobs demand), or is this just baseless shitposting?


 No.853149

>>853139

for the same reason everyone thinks they need to be an engineer or a 'manager', or go to university even.


 No.853153>>853168

>>853139

I chose to be a programmer because it's less frustrating to fix your own software than to deal with the bugs in someone else's.


 No.853155>>853157

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>>852905 (OP)

I'm a machinist, tell me about it.

Been working as a high school teacher instead since it's impossible to find work in manufacturing.

Kinda wish I had a president like Trump then maybe things would be looking up.


 No.853157

>>853155

I wish I had a President like Trump too.

t. American


 No.853168

>>853153

Not really. Even the developers of the most widely used enterprise (((tm))) software get their balls crushed by their sales and distribution departments if their partners have a problem.

Real life example: It's a lot easier for me to get an error in our proprietary firewall appliance of choice fixed than it is to get the pfsense fags to even acknowledge that there's something wrong at all.


 No.853172>>855902

>>852913

This is the answer. Corporations are making you compete globally on wages but at the same time prevent you from making compete globally on prices.

A good percentage of the positions you are apply for they do not want to receive applications for. 100% shitcanning all resumes. "see, we can't find qualified US applications!! Give us the H1Bs!!". The minimum requirements are written so that they do not find qualified applicants. They do not want to. This is a prerequisite for sucking on the H1B tit.


 No.853174>>853243

>>853148

>easy on the bigotry shitlords, just because advertising is cancerous you can't just go around insulting advertisers l like myself

kys you're self


 No.853183>>853185

>>852990

55k is what they pay senior devs with years of experience in germany

Entry level is 30k


 No.853185>>853188 >>853191

>>853183

I was making 42k as a part time intern. 63k as an entry level full time dev after that. Then again don't you have all kinds of "free" shit like healthcare and education over there?


 No.853188>>853190

>>853185

Nothing is free. You still pay for all of it just not as much as in america i guess.


 No.853190>>853192

>>853188

Cost of living matters. I could move to Commiefornia and be making 150k doing the same job, but I would never do that because after factoring in cost of living I've be making LESS than I am at 63k somewhere else.


 No.853191

>>853185

>he didn't make 200k starting

You'll never make it brah


 No.853192>>853199

>>853190

Cost of living is fairly high unless you live in bumfuck nowhere but then you have to spend tons of money to get to your workplace. We have mandatory tv tax just like the britcucks too and i'm sure the taxes will be increased soon again to pay for the migrants.


 No.853199>>853200

>>853192

>mandatory TV tax

What the hell is that crap? You don't get out of it if you don't have a TV?


 No.853200>>853204

>>853199

Get this, even blind people have to pay it until they prove to a state rep guy that they are truly blind.

This country is going down and fast.


 No.853201

>>852920

>(((internship)))


 No.853204>>853207

>>853200

It's also not a percentage, let alone an increasing fraction, but a flat number, as an extra fuck you to the poor. The board of directors of these senders is staffed by the higher ups of our major political parties and their relatives/friends, so we are forced to pay for our own establishment propaganda. The private senders want to take some of our money too now, because muh unfair!!


 No.853207>>853219

>>853204

This is what pisses me off the most. We are forced to pay a really high amount of money which is then used to produce literal anti german propaganda.


 No.853219>>853225

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>>853207

Then why don't you do something about it instead of cucking out as your ZOG fucks you in the ass by taxing you twice for your own indoctrination into cuckholdery, jihad style?


 No.853223>>853226

>>853139

what sort of prereqs did you walk in with?

t. baka neet


 No.853225>>853245

>>853219

twice?


 No.853226>>853239 >>853295 >>855201

>>853223

no gaps in cv


 No.853239>>853245 >>853295 >>855201

>>853226

That's a good one.

I'm so fucked.


 No.853243

>>853174

Go back to cuckchan.


 No.853245>>853425

>>853225

Once for the tv and another for the cable payment.

>>853239

>not studying to do literally everything yourself without cash as a fuck you to (((modern society)))

git gud


 No.853276>>853323 >>853510 >>854162

>>852905 (OP)

I do interviews for a (((big tech company))) which honestly is not a typical entry level job. But you can always apply.

Based on my experience as an interviewer including seeing candidate's resume, and my own experience in the job market, the following applies generally:

1. Network. Go to meetups, hackathons, etc. If you've been to college, connect with old professors to get advice. Old professors are also a good source of references, anyone who knows anything about you and your work is a good start.

2. Do resume-worthy stuff and put it on your resume. Hackathons, contributions to open source, programming competitions (warning, they are very tough), personal projects, online courses.

3. Have a degree. If not, do a programming bootcamp. Bootcamps work because they are either selective in who they accept or don't pass everyone. So the employer is getting a real signal.

4. Apply for lots of jobs. It's a numbers game. Taylor your resume to every job.

5. Never say anything negative on your resume, your application or the interview. Examples are

>I don't like working with Python

>I'm not one of those programmers who writes spaghetti code

>I had a professor who didn't know anything about data structures

By keeping all your statements neutral or positive you show that you are able to act professionally and not make waves. Examples are

>I found Python hard to get used to because of the lack of static typing, I'm more used to languages C, C++ or Java

>I care a lot about code quality

>One of the things that attracted me to this position was the ability to lean from more experienced co-workers.

At the entry level positions, you should demonstrate the attitude that you are interested in some specific things, but willing to do anything. As you progress in your career you can be more explicit about the things you're not interested in.

6. Use professional language in your resume, never use slang or try to be funny.

7. Get someone to review your resume, even posting here would be helpful.

>>853148

Whatever one thinks about advertising, those comments were clearly more motivated by jealousy and crab-mentality than a principled opposition to advertising.

>>853139

Why not just say 48500 USD? It sounds like you're simultaneously trying to boast about being a sysadmin while deliberately obfuscating your pay.


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>>853226

>>853239

At this point I'm considering just lying to clear out my resume gap but I don't know the best way to go about it. Do you think anyone will notice if I pretended to graduate in 2017?


 No.853323>>853441

>>853276

>Whatever one thinks about advertising, those comments were clearly more motivated by jealousy and crab-mentality than a principled opposition to advertising.

90% of this board uses adblockers and fake email addresses when signing up for things, how can you be more "principled opposition" than that?

polite sage


 No.853331

>>852905 (OP)

look into internships and win in that kind of way


 No.853356>>853362

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<treating this thread like a careers general, don't mind me

I want to be a sysadmin or something that won't necessitate me shaving or putting on pants. tbqh I want to be a hands-on father for my future white children. I don't have a college degree but I do have the time and resources to study for certification exams. So which should I take? I've heard some microsoft certs, some linux certs and some python. Any recommendations?


 No.853362>>853363

>>853356

>to study for certification exams. So which should I take?

It entirely depends on where you live.

Certs that may be useful in the US, may be completely ignored in the EU, and vice-versa.


 No.853363

>>853362

I live in the US, flyover country


 No.853385>>853436

>>852920

>be me

>get a bachelors degree in IT

>try to get another degree

>fail and drop out

>sent resume to 10 companies

>find a job within a month

>been working for almost 2 years

>currently in the process of moviog out of my parents house


 No.853390>>853436

>>853295

All they have to do is look up your records at the school to know you didn't graduate in 2017 and then you're FUCKED.


 No.853425

>>853245

that's what I do, no debt, enough savings from wageslaving to do things that interest me.

I just need something that's marketable.

I'm going to start reading The Linux Command Line.


 No.853434

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>>852988

>>Interview for military job 3 months after applying to it.

I actually had the best experience when I was applying for a mil job (navy specifically).

>Apply (a pretty lengthy process in the first place)

>eventually get called up by a few guys

>we had a pretty laid back interview where they asked me some technical questions about windows and some stock challenge problems

>get accepted

The only spooky thing was afterwards, you have to do a security clearance check.

For op: You want to beat the shit out of the other applicants? Then make some work samples. Tons of them. The more technical the better.


 No.853436

>>853390

>look up your records

Why would they do that in the first place?

>>853385

>>be me

y o u h a v e t o g o b a c k


 No.853441

>>853323

Doing these things is easy, they don't prove that you have firm principals. It's easy to use your principals as an excuse to do nothing and then attack people who do something. Especially when your politics allows you to define anything as kikery. >>852990 already said they are opt-in, why is that kind of advertising even bad?


 No.853442>>853482

>>852912

>can't get a job without experience

>can't get experience because every job requires experience

wew indeed.


 No.853459

>>852905 (OP)

They have to write the listings to deter applicants so they can turn around and say

>no local talent exists so I guess we need to hire an H1B pajeet for 1/10 the cost :^)

Before applying for an H1B employee the company needs to demonstrate this or their application gets rejected.


 No.853482

>>853442

>too dumb to create a personal project for experience and portfolio


 No.853483>>853489

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>tfw get so fucking frustrated trying to find a job I make my own business at home using my dads old manual milling machine and a bandsaw to make scoots for extrusion, eventually stepping up to giving contracts to a waterjet company for bigger orders

>tfw the part basically makes itself, costs maybe a dollar in materials, and sells for 8 dollars each

>tfw have zero idea what any of that shit actually means, selling the parts to companies and just nodding while saying "uh-huh", but I know how to press buttons and turn wheels

>tfw this somehow makes me enough to live comfortably

I don't even know what a fucking extrusion is


 No.853489

>>853483

Pushing material through a nozzle and/or a filter mesh. Like making macaroni, only typically less edible. Anyway, you had access to resources that you didn't have to pay for. All my dad left me blacklisted from multiple utility companies by using my SSN to sign up for services (and not pay for them) when I was a kid. I've spent the last quarter of my life working a shit job that hires people with room temperature IQs, as to get a job in electronic engineering, I would have had to sell everything I owned after acquiring my degree, move to the west coast, pretend to be an H1B street shitter, and murder someone who had the position I was trained for, as those jobs are FOR LIFE.


 No.853505

>>852905 (OP)

Because curryniggers took yer jahbs.


 No.853510>>853593

>>853276

>6. Use professional language in your resume, never use slang or try to be funny.

Ncurses shilling knows no bound.


 No.853593

>>853510

>sure if serious, and completely retarded

gtfo scumbag


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>>853276

>and not make waves

I see you there, mentor.

>>853139

Fellow sysadmin, about to drop into a job making a bit more. No company car, though. We've really got it easy compared to the codefags, I can't imagine why anyone would want to get a programming job when they could do ops instead.


 No.854171

>>854162

>I can't imagine why anyone would want to get a programming job when they could do ops instead.

I enjoy programming. Sysadmin jobs make me feel claustraphobic (because most boxes I manage are UNIX descendants and come with the inherited braon damage).


 No.854889

>>852905 (OP)

LOl

>why is it so hard to find entry level dev jobs?

why is it so hard to answer a question correctly and not just project your own inadequacies of employment oppurtunities?

the correct answer would be:

It is so hard to find entry level dev jobs because the employers operate from an MBA mindset, where they want to get the most out of their money for potential applicants.

You don't need an education to make money. The problem is that people only hire if they see "CISSP" or BScompsci

i hate our system and will forever be in rebellion of how easy and pointless it is to work for a pinhead boss like bill lumbergh from office space


 No.854890

even if you have a quarter million ddollar education you will still get treated like crap. they want to take advantage of people that dont fully understand the system


 No.855201

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>>853239

This is why it's your duty to lie on your resume. We have to eat and HR-drones/employer-bros are lookin' to keep the poor spaghetti [non-]workers poor. I got overlooked for work they hire literal retards off the street, because I had 'gaps' and the hiring manager was all like "Why didn't you work at McDonalds?" This fucking company re-hires people they fire for poor attendance or piss-poor output quality this company builds things where it costs as much as your yearly salary to buy one. Good thing though is I've gone to EEOC because I have insider knowledge HR black-balled me and prefers to hire spics.


 No.855291

be good at programming.

have example code + programs to show for yourself.

thats all.

I'm a Systems Software Engineer for a pretty large company. I don't have a degree (but I did study in school for a while)


 No.855902




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