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 No.847924>>847930 >>848067 >>848157 >>848386 >>848467 >>848886 >>849148 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

TELL ME 8CHAN, HAVE THOU SEEN THE LIGHT

ILLUMINATING THE ROAD YOU CHOSE IN THIS DARK FIGHT

BEHOLDING AS IN A MIRROR THE GLORY OF THE GOD

MERITED INFORMATION WAS YOUR JUST RIGHT

CRUMBLE YOUR CRUSTY THINKPADS

ABOLISH TRANNYBOOT FROM YOUR LIFE

WANE AWAY YOUR SINS AND FEARS

ACCEPT THE ONE TRUE GOD OF BLUNT FACTS

PRAISE THE ONE TRUE UNFETTERED UNSCATHED UNPOZZED INFORMATION CONSOLE

FOR IT REMAINED INDIFFERENT TO YOUR GROSS NEGLIGENCE FOR SO LONG

 No.847930

>>847924 (OP)

Those were damn good computers. The last Macintosh I used as a daily driver.


 No.847940

There will never be non-thin non-botnet laptops ever again. RIP in peace.


 No.847943

P-p-p-powerbook, famalam


 No.847969>>848089

Every single x86 Mac ever made is rekt. I hope Applel kept a couple of G5 Powermacs and Xserves around the office.


 No.848015>>848074

From a hardware perspective, for the moment they seem to have some security advantages. And there seems to be some non-Apple operating environments for them now, so overall I wouldn't fault anyone giving this a shot.


 No.848067>>848072 >>848074

>>847924 (OP)

How long does the battery last?


 No.848072>>848404

>>848067

Two hours with the old powerpc mac osx. But with a hardened gentoo install you would definitelly get more out of it. It's very nice considering its not a fucking botnet compared to x86 cpu's.


 No.848074>>848086

>>848067

3-5 hours depending on what you do. I get 4 hours just doing shitposting and random things with a good battery.

>>848015

>And there seems to be some non-Apple operating environments for them now,

>now

There have been macppc ports since these things came out. Ubunto had an official port until 16.04. It's still getting updates unofficially. Gentoo and the BSD's still officially support macppc.


 No.848086

>>848074

>There have been macppc ports since these things came out. Ubunto had an official port until 16.04. It's still getting updates unofficially. Gentoo and the BSD's still officially support macppc.

Also Haiku and Amiga, although the former isn't really bothering anymore and Amiga is Amiga. But, in any event, the point is that PPC's hardly tied into just Apple on the software end.


 No.848089>>848097 >>848112

>>847969

Apple is actually starting to roll out their iphone proccessor into the newer macbooks. I don't know it's architecture though.


 No.848097


 No.848112

>>848089

ARMv8/aarch64 with some variant of DDR, which is also vulnerable to Spectre.


 No.848157>>848339 >>848383

>>847924 (OP)

>tfw no ppc to compile my unpozzed gentoo

;w;


 No.848192>>848218

You shouldn't need to be told this but every PPC processor including and beyond the PowerPC 601 (1994) is vulnerable because they all include speculative execution. The vulnerability is within speculative execution as a computing concept. No mainstream CPU released in the last 20 years is immune to Spectre, we're all in the same boat.


 No.848218>>848376 >>848416

>>848192

The point is not necessarily to avoid Spectre (since it is a wide reaching issue that noone can really deal with). Really, it is to avoid x86/ARM botnet, and exploits within current popular architectures that would not commonly target PPC systems while also having a platform that can perform moderately demanding tasks on a daily basis (which higher-end PPC can still do, despite moribund development in the consumer space over the past decade).


 No.848339>>848383

>>848157

buy a wii


 No.848376>>848378

>>848218

>Really, it is to avoid x86/ARM botnet, and exploits within current popular architectures that would not commonly target PPC systems

>Literally proposing security through obscurity.


 No.848378>>848380

>>848376

security through obscurity works


 No.848380

>>848378

>macs have been secure all along

Really makes you think.


 No.848381>>848416

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I will never forget the time I went over to my friends house and used one of these things, it was more responsive than my desktop and comparing OS X to Win2K at the time was something else. It felt like the fastest thing in the world.

It's made me wonder how POWER would be on desktops today compared to the old powermacs of the era.


 No.848383>>848459 >>848471

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>>848157

>>848339

PS3's are also not bad.


 No.848386>>848395

>>847924 (OP)

>TELL ME 8CHAN, HAVE THOU SEEN THE LIGHT

can't say I've ever owned a laptop that runs hot enough to emit in the visible spectrum, no


 No.848395

>>848386

>tfw no more sun


 No.848404

>>848072

hardened gentoo is a lot less nice now that grsecurity patches are no longer available


 No.848416

>>848218

High end PPC are fucking beasts. They presumably got abandoned because they couldn't get any smaller or faster without melting the motherboard, but they were fast and awesome.

>>848381

I had this one until the hinge broke and I sold it to a friend. Fucking awesome.


 No.848459>>848476

>>848383

>PS3's are also not bad.

Too bad they require a flash modification to jailbreak. The Wii has the advantage of being easy as fuck to hack.


 No.848467>>848473 >>849276

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>>847924 (OP)

DO YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT WHAT IT TAKES TO DEFEAT THIS GUY AT A STARBUCKS SHOWDOWN, OP?


 No.848471

>>848383

why is power always so damn sexy?


 No.848473>>848479

>>848467

left is framed perfectly with him staring into his lonely corner with that lingering trashcan waiting for his writings


 No.848476

>>848459

>Too bad they require a flash modification

That's not true for most models and firmwares.

I think it is just the "super slim" models that cannot be softmoded with the latest techniques. There are charts you can use to compare model numbers to be specific but finding an exploitable system is easier than finding a non-exploitable one just because of the volume of them available.


 No.848479>>848484 >>848486 >>848649 >>848654 >>848820

>>848473

He makes more money doing what he loves than you will ever make being a slave at a job you hate.


 No.848484>>849218

>>848479

thanks, i've seen the jewfro

i don't want to bully him, but it's a really bad pic


 No.848486>>848820

>>848479

>a hipster "writer" making any money whatsoever

Good one.


 No.848649>>848820

>>848479

>wagecucking

lolno


 No.848654>>848820

>>848479

>writers

>making money

In 99% of cases, pick one.


 No.848760>>849133 >>849144

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Apple users don't believe in freedom.


 No.848820

>>848479

>>848486

>>848654

Making more money than an autist on a Mongolian flyfishing forum is a very low bar.

Case in point:

>>848649


 No.848886>>849127

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 No.849127>>850589

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>>848886

https://tenfourfox.blogspot.fi/2018/01/more-about-spectre-and-powerpc-or-why.html

>I said that PowerPC is vulnerable to the Spectre attack, and in broad strokes it is.

>(But) Is PowerPC unusually vulnerable, or on the flip side unusually resistant, to Spectre-based attacks compared to x86 or ARM?

>First, let's review the Spectre white paper. Speculative execution, as the name implies, allows the CPU to speculate on the results of an upcoming conditional branch instruction that has not yet completed. It predicts future program flow will go a particular way and executes that code upon that assumption; if it guesses right, and most CPUs do most of the time, it has already done the work and time is saved. If it guesses wrong, then the outcome is no worse than idling during that time save the additional power usage and the need to restore the previous state. To do this execution requires that code be loaded into the processor cache to be run, however, and the cache is not restored to its previous state; previously no one thought that would be necessary. The Spectre attack proves that this seemingly benign oversight is in fact not so.

>But the G3 and G4 situation is very different. The G3 actually delays fetch and execution at a b(c)ctr until the mtctr that leads it has completed, meaning speculative execution essentially halts at any indirect branch. The same applies for the LR, and for the 7400. CTR-based indirect branching is very common in TenFourFox-generated code for JavaScript inline caches, and code such as mtlr r0:blr terminates nearly every PowerPC function call. No fetch, and therefore no speculative execution, will occur until the special purpose register is loaded, meaning the proper target must now be known and there is less opportunity for a Spectre-based attack to run.

>he 7450 is a little less robust in this regard. If the instruction sequence is an unconditional mtlr blr, the 7450 (and, for that matter, the G5) implements a link stack where the expected return address comes off a stack of predicted addresses from prior LR-modifying instructions. This is enough of a hint on the 7450 G4e to possibly allow continued fetch and potential speculation. However, because the 7450 also has only a single rename register each for LR and CTR, it also cannot speculatively execute past a second such sequence. If the instruction sequence is mtlr bclr, i.e., there is a condition on the LR branch, then execution and therefore speculation must halt until either the mtlr completes or the condition information (CR or CTR) is available to the CPU. But if the special purpose register is the CTR, then there is no address cache stack available, and the G4e must delay at an mtctr b(c)ctr sequence just like its older siblings.

>...the possibilities are better on the G5 and later Power ISA designs which are faster and have more branch tricks that can be subverted. But the G3 and the G4, because of their limitations on indirect branching, are at least somewhat more resistant to Spectre-based attacks because it is harder to cause their speculative execution pathways to operate in an attacker-controllable fashion (particularly the G3 and the 7400, which do not have a link stack cache). So, if you're really paranoid, dust that old G3 or Sawtooth G4 off.

TLDR; all things being equal you are way better off against a Spectre attack with pre-G5 PowerPC hardware than x86/ARM botnet chip, on both a "security through obscurity" and a fundamental design basis.


 No.849133

>>848760

why is that such a shit poll?

of all places, macrumors should know the startling difference between OS X and OS 9.


 No.849144>>849146 >>849151

>>848760

Gentoo isn't free. RMS said it himself.


 No.849146>>849152

>>849144

The human genome isn't licensed under the GPL, humans will never be free.


 No.849148>>849150

>>847924 (OP)

12" G4 Powerbooks are great. They run GNU/Linux perfectly well, too.


 No.849150>>849155

>>849148

>12 American centimeters screen

>anything but trash

My father used to have a 17Acm G4 PowerBook and it was fucking amazing, the screen real estate was out of this world


 No.849151

>>849144

Gentoo is mostly free, that's not the problem. The problem with Gentoo is the fact that they have recommendations for users to install non-free software. This means that Stallman won't recommend Gentoo because of this property.


 No.849152>>849326

>>849146

It's not like you can modify any part of your genome and run it on your cells and expect to function just as well as before


 No.849155>>849166

>>849150

Big enough for a terminal or a browser, also they support external monitors of course.

I used a 15" Powerbook from 2002-2008 usually hooked into an external monitor / keyboard / mouse, it was just fine.

They also came in 15" and 17" models, the 17" G4 Powerbook has one of the nicest screens ever put into a laptop to this day.


 No.849166>>849171 >>849216

>>849155

>the 17" G4 Powerbook has one of the nicest screens ever put into a laptop to this day

A shame about the non-standard resolution, really


 No.849171

>>849166

Why's it a problem for you? My old Powerbook had a non-standard resolution and I never noticed an issue.


 No.849216>>849285

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>>849166

>1680x1050

>16:10

>non-standard in the pre-"16:9 cuckshed" era


 No.849218

>>848484

Checked!


 No.849276

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>>848467

*blocks his path*


 No.849285>>849324

>>849216

1920x1200 is more standard than fucking 1050


 No.849324>>849514

>>849285

Back in 2005-2008 1680x1050(16:10) was pretty standard. My monitor back then was that resolution and I thought it was great, it's honestly maybe a bit better than 1080. It takes good things from 4:3 and 16:9.


 No.849326>>849330 >>849520

>>849152

>2018

>still not meditating regularly

lol


 No.849330>>849520

>>849326

>AD 2018, fourth year of the current era

>perpetuating pagan memes


 No.849514

>>849324

There were even some high refresh rate monitors at 1050, up to around 120hz. Good shit.


 No.849520>>849704

>>849326

>>849330

>not meditating on the mysteries of the rosary


 No.849704>>849746

>>849520

Buddhists and Hindus do that exact thing as do the Jain and probably others.


 No.849727>>849731 >>849736 >>849804 >>849934

any recommendations on what i should put on my imac g3?


 No.849731>>849749

>>849727

NetBSD will work great.


 No.849736

>>849727

install gentoo


 No.849746

>>849704

0/10 see me after class


 No.849749>>849966

>>849731

what if I'm a complete pleb?

guess it wouldn't hurt to try on a spare hdd


 No.849804

>>849727

OpenBSD


 No.849934

>>849727

a rosary


 No.849966>>849969

>>849749

It's not difficult if you read the manual. If you want something easier to install there's Debian PPC.


 No.849969>>849987 >>850204

>>849966

but only up to jessie for 32 bit ppc

do they still update their repos?


 No.849987

>>849969

Jessie is still supported of course.


 No.850204

>>849969

I just installed Stretch on a G4 iBook, it works fine albeit a little slow.

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/


 No.850455>>850668

I'm getting a g4 ibook and or powerbook soon. I read the wifi is a half pci. Can I replace that with an atheros I have? I tried looking it up but all the mac fags say no because of MacOS.

Also any other modding/upgrading tips?


 No.850584>>850588

Does it affect MIPS? I quick search didn't really yield anything.


 No.850588

>>850584

Your PS2 is botnet anyway


 No.850589


 No.850647>>852037

Has anybody else started replacing the old Apple software in their OS X with newer stuff? It should be theoretically possible to compile Darwin and almost all the Unix stuff from source and keep a 10.4 installation going pretty much forever no?

Obviously you'd be stuck with whatever version of Cocoa / Aqua was on there as of the most recent available system update, but you might be able to run a newer 32-bit kernel.


 No.850668

>>850455

If you use linux and it is a opensource driver you can use anything you compile yourself for it. Aetheros wifi/bluetooth with best nvidia 7*** line agp 4x nouevau card you can find for it. Also don't forget to clean the heatsink of the proccessor and re-apply thermal paste while upgrading the RAM to two 1 GB sticks. Then get a IDE to SATA converter and put your favorite SSD/HDD in it for speed and energy efficiency, as the SSD will have faster R/W times then the DDR SRAM. Make sure to get a new battery as the one you get on an older one will be dead or near it.

ATA only supports 100MB's a second over the line. Unless you want to go dig up the openfirmware source code for the powermac powerpc line and write a SATA firmware for it. And then solder a SATA connecter in place of the old PATA one, assuming the pins are easy enough to connect properly on the board. But if you can get the openfirmware source code which was shoahed off the internet then you could write a driver for soldering a USB 3.0 port onto it as replacement of the 1.1 port and use that for a GPU connected to the computer and hard disks. But I have no clue about what the bandwidth is for the physical wires in the PCB. You would have to figure that out somehow before trying any of this, as the ATA slot at the least supports 100MB's a second and whatever usb 1.1 supports.


 No.851512

https://tenfourfox.blogspot.fi/2018/01/actual-field-testing-of-spectre-on.html

New TFF update with tests of multiple PPC systems. Of interest is that the 7450 processor is about as bad as most modern processors in terms of vulnerability to Spectre. But on the flipside, the 7447 series used in the the final, most powerful Powerbooks is extremely resistant to that attack. This may interest people looking into a non-Thinkpad ecosystem.


 No.852037>>859569

>>850647

>Has anybody else started replacing the old Apple software in their OS X with newer stuff?

Yes

https://github.com/mistydemeo/tigerbrew

Also

http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/

And lots people still running Tiger on ppc at

https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/powerpc-macs.145/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-youtube-player-downloader-even-for-g3.2031523/

Tiger is 64 bit on the G5.


 No.852909

is 320$ a good price for a dual processor powermac g5?


 No.857240>>857326


 No.857326

>>857240

>bumping this shit thread

>with a blog that's produced nothing but schematics for a generic micro controller


 No.859569>>860221

>>852037

you know that Tiger is vulnerable to shellshock, right?


 No.860221

>>859569

It's very easy to recompile bash anon. And unlike Intel's vulns, you can cure Shellshock easily.

It's not a Tiger bug, it's a bash bug.




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