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 No.833700>>833881 >>835017 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

So /tech/, why haven't (You) become your own ISP yet?

>At its core, the Internet is an interconnected fabric of separate networks. Each network which makes up the Internet is operated independently and only interconnects with other networks in clearly defined places.

>For smaller networks like your home, the interaction between your network and the rest of the Internet is usually pretty simple: you buy an Internet service plan from an ISP (Internet Service Provider), they give you some kind of hand-off through something like a DSL or cable modem, and give you access to "the entire Internet". Your router (which is likely also a WiFi access point and Ethernet switch) then only needs to know about two things; your local computers and devices are on one side, and the ENTIRE Internet is on the other side of that network link given to you by your ISP.

>For most people, that's the extent of what's needed to be understood about how the Internet works. Pick the best ISP, buy a connection from them, and attach computers needing access to the Internet. And that's fine, as long as you're happy with only having one Internet connection from one vendor, who will lend you some arbitrary IP address(es) for the extend of your service agreement, but that starts not being good enough when you don't want to be beholden to a single ISP or a single connection for your connectivity to the Internet.

>That also isn't good enough if you *are* an Internet Service Provider so you are literally a part of the Internet. You can't assume that the entire Internet is that way when half of the Internet is actually in the other direction.

>This is when you really have to start thinking about the Internet and treating the Internet as a very large mesh of independent connected organizations instead of an abstract cloud icon on the edge of your local network map.

Continues at http://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/2017/11/creating-autonomous-system-for-fun-and.html

 No.833704

I remember seeing this on front page of Hacker News a while ago.

It was really good post, would recommend for reading.


 No.833740>>833757 >>833764

I don't get it. I feel like they left out the step where they actually connected themselves to the internet. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't just use a different ISPs wiring to connect into the internet.


 No.833757>>833796 >>835001

>>833740

They're connected to the internet through HE.


 No.833764

>>833740

Well what do you think the internet is?


 No.833796>>833798 >>833816 >>834109

>>833757

So what would be the point of doing this compared to just using the ISP directly? It's not like you have any more control over the data since you and all your clients would still be passing through a different ISP.

Additionally how would people even connect to this ISP they built. Would they need to get another subscription from a different ISP so that they could make subscription to them?


 No.833798>>833804

>>833796

>I don't know how the internet works: the post

GO BACK TO /R/SCIENCE YOU FUCKING POSER


 No.833804

>>833798

sage denied.

>you don't know how the internet works lel

That's why I was asking questions.


 No.833810

there must be a better way


 No.833816

>>833796

They did not create a consumer level ISP. They just connected their server rack to the internet the hard way. They don't have clients, either. They are just a group of friends having some fun.


 No.833822>>833830 >>833889 >>834096 >>838306

>Have to use backdoored C*sco or chink hardware because nothing else can interface with (((Interconnected Networks))) directly

>mug BGP (big gay pedo)

>muh IX

>muh ICANN

>muh IANA

>muh peering

>muh *useless corporate standards(tm)*

[b]FUCK OFF, NIGGER[/b]

(((Internet))) and any other IP network is a direct descendant from ARPANET, a shit piece of hacks invented by three jews used by US military. It's not freedom or privacy respecting by defenition. Instead of larping as le ebik ISPs and buying AS permissions from IANA for neetbux, you'd better make a local physical meshnet with cjdns.


 No.833830>>834109

>>833822

>[b][/b]

>STOP USING THIS THING I'M USING RIGHT NOW TO TELL YOU TO NOT USE IT

Imagine being this retarded


 No.833881>>833889

>>833700 (OP)

It's in the plans.


 No.833889>>834109 >>839728

>>833881

The master plan?

>>833822

Tell me about CJDNS, why does he use the ipv6?


 No.834096>>834109

>>833822

>meshnet

Physically impossible with the size of the US, will get lawyer'd the fuck out of existence the second telecoms get wind of it, and so on. I'd go on but something tells me you're just going to unironically say that everyone who doesn't hold your exact opinions is a kike shill.


 No.834109>>834123

>>833830

>>833889

>>834096

Ffs stop feeding him.

>>833796

Once you run your own AS, you don't connect to the internet. You are part of the internet and connect to the rest of the internet. To do so, you can either directly connect to other AS by peering, or send your data through another AS which is called transit.

To peer with other AS, you usually need to have a router at an IX (internet exchange), which is basically a datacenter with a huge network switch which many other AS at that datacenter connect their routers to. Using that switch, you can directly send your packets to your peering partners. If you have your own building nearby, you don't need to put your router in the datacenter, you can also just rent fibers to that datacenter. Peering is usually free because both parties benefit from not having to buy transit.

But peering only allows you to connect to the AS at that one IX. You'd need to have routers all over the world to reach all AS by peering, and to connect all your routers you'd need to rent lots of fibers, which is expensive. That's why you can buy transit. A transit AS gives you a 'default route' where you send all your packets that you can't directly deliver via peering. They'll take care of carrying your packets across the globe. To do so, they operate fiber networks all over the world and connect them to as many IX as possible.

For example, if you are an American ISP and your customers only occasionally access european and asian websites, buying transit is the cheaper option than operating your own global network. If you're Google and have datacenters and fibers everywhere anyway, you won't need transit.


 No.834123

>>834109

When buying transit, you usually only pay for the data you send, not for the data you receive. That's why ISPs can afford to refuse to peer with AS like Netflix which mostly send data and receive almost none, even though chances are they've got their routers at the same IXs. If the data reaches the ISP via transit, the ISP doesn't have to pay for it. The ISP then can use its customers' demand to extort money for peering from Netflix.


 No.834185>>834189 >>834249

I need the things to do that. I also don't want to pay up the ass by my landlord to Pau the wire. I also don't like stealing other people's money in the name of "profit".

Who knows, maybe I could get everybody in my trailer park to pool in funds to gather the infrastructure and connect it to the NSP.

I probably need about 500-600 meters of PVC pipe, Ethernet and about 25 meters worth of 2ftx8ft rubarb and concrete for going under roads. The tools I need is a entrenching tool and a jackhammer.

That's just to get the trailer park linked, now I need to link it to the NSP which I have not found the location to. After all of that I still need to pay for the NSP and the retarded landlord.

Why havn't you killed yourself.


 No.834189>>838359

>>834185

There is about 30-40 working people in the park and I'm sure none of them want to fork the bill.


 No.834249>>834347

>>834185

>2ftx8ft rubarb

It doesn't even grow that big


 No.834347

>>834249

Rebar, Reinforcing Bars. Not sure if I need to weld them together.


 No.835001>>838286


 No.835017

>>833700 (OP)

I don't want mesh network latencies.


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 No.838306


 No.838359

>>834189

Those people are homeless and retarded. You'd need smart people, who don't do hard things for free. There's nothing wrong with profit, unless Jews are involved.


 No.839728

>>833889

>Tell me about CJDNS, why does he use the ipv6?

is a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything.




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