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 No.828036>>828104 >>828962 >>829471 >>829763 >>832091 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Post about free and open source applications and tools for making art and photo editing

 No.828043>>828050 >>835040

Anyone used Mypaint recently? How's it compare to Krita?


 No.828050>>828056

>>828043

Thanks for sharing. I just tried it and like it way more than Krita.


 No.828056

>>828050

Mypaint is lighter than Krita, but it doesn't have as many features. CYMK support, for example.


 No.828067>>828369

>photo editing

All we really have there is Darktable, right? Does the job, but the controls are kinda small on a laptop.


 No.828083

Apparently Rawtherapee had an update and it's pretty good now.


 No.828100>>828112 >>828165 >>828790

File (hide): a7cda403de33a99⋯.webm (732.59 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 2017-11-25 22-12-04.webm) (h) (u) [play once] [loop]

How has GIMP not been mentioned yet, it's one of the best out there.


 No.828104>>828114

>>828036 (OP)

How bad is GIMP, really? I've recently had the ambition to become an amateur drawfag and don't know a lot about the software used.


 No.828112>>828116 >>828390 >>828764 >>828791

>>828100

Maybe it's because GIMP is unironically one of the worst examples of free software in general and it's one of the programs that give FOSS a bad name and if you like it it probably means you hate the free software community for holding it to such low fucking standards?

One of the worst software tools ever and if I didn't know there were better FOSS image editors out there I would seriously think you'd be nuts to want to use GNU/Linux for fucking any kind of creative application.

It's clear to me though that you never actually edit images based on the webm you posted implying creating circles is an impressive feat so I don't know why you're even here. GIMPs transform tools are seriously an embarrassment. Especially since image transformation is really supposed to be the tools primary job. The only reason people use GIMP is because it's installed by default on many distros. It is literally the MSPaint of GNU/Linux


 No.828114>>828125

>>828104

GIMP isn't primarily a drawings tool. As the name implies it's supposed to be a replacement for Photoshop. Yes, you CAN use GIMP to draw like how you can use Photoshop to draw. But there are much better tools for the job. Krita is primarily a drawing tool


 No.828116>>828118 >>828325 >>843226

>>828112

>implying creating circles is an impressive feat

It's joke from how people say it's impossible to draw a circle in GIMP.

You say GIMP is a bad program, but I don't see very many problems with it other than not being able to do math in the number fields and having awkward hotkeys.

GIMP comes with plenty of tools, has great support for layers, and has great filter / generators. The user interface is laid out very intuitively and looks nice.


 No.828118>>828120 >>828136

>>828116

Its image transform tools are just so bad compared to Photoshop and it sucks because I don't think there are any other programs for GNU/Linux either actually good transform tools. Sorry for my ranty walls of text. I just have PTSD still from having to use this shit


 No.828120>>828325

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>>828118

I'm not sure I get what you mean about the transform tools being bad. I've never run into an issues with them.

I drew pic related and then rotated it a few times. Even rotations which were not perfect 90 degree angles looked great.


 No.828125

>>828114

No, I know that. I just thought that drawfags used it to touch things up, or is that all included in Krita? Because that might make things easier. I don't own a tablet yet, so I'm just doing things on paper. What is a good one for GNU/Linux?


 No.828131>>828310

Does LibreOffice Draw count?


 No.828136

>>828118

>teh image transform tools are shit

<why, how, back up your argument etc

>there just shit!!!!!!!!!!111 WORST FOSS EDITER EVER xD

<what foss tool would you recommend

>PHOTOSHOP xD


 No.828161>>828205

How is the GIMP's GTK3 port coming?


 No.828163>>828241 >>828303

Photoshop is still the best.


 No.828165>>828169

>>828100

Gimp is an image manipulator.

It's not really an artfag program.


 No.828169

>>828165

Art isn't just painting, anon.


 No.828205

>>828161

The GTK3 port compiles and appears to work at least for some users. They are in the process of doing a complete code audit to port it to GTK3. No completion estimations are available at the moment.


 No.828241

>>828163

Based Pajeets renting software at an affordable price.


 No.828303

>>828163

Shame it's proprietary SAAS.


 No.828310>>828352 >>828364 >>828808

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>>828131

Too soon.


 No.828325>>828330

>>828116

>You say GIMP is a bad program

thats because it is.

>>828120

>I'm not sure I get what you mean about the transform tools being bad.

They are bad. Krita does a better job


 No.828330>>828363

>>828325

>They are bad.

not an argument


 No.828352

>>828310

tyson is a nice guy


 No.828363>>828385

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>>828330

neither is being impressed by being able to rotate something, that even MSpaint can do. gimpfag. Everything Gimp can do for transforming Krita does better with more options, even if the features were identical (which they are not) Krita would still be better because Gimps tools all run like complete ass. While Krita is powered by a better engine that's not coded by a retard and supports modern OpenGL and OpenCL so it runs at real time. I use photoshop but there's no reason to ever use Gimp other than masochism and if you recommend it then you are a complete faggot.


 No.828364>>828908

>>828310

Anyone got a link to the OC package he mentioned?


 No.828369>>829288

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>>828067

Rawtherapee is gud. But the interface isn't a clone of Lightroom.


 No.828385>>828405

>>828363

GIMP's tools run in real time too. I can rotate images, colorize them, and tweak brightness / contrast all in real time. Maybe you are thinking of the filters? Some of the filters do not run in real time, but they usually offer a preview window that does.


 No.828390

>>828112

>It's clear to me though that you never actually edit images based on the webm you posted implying creating circles is an impressive feat so I don't know why you're even here.

It's clear to me that you simply looked at GIMP's UI and noped back to whatever program you're using now.

You don't even seem to know anything about GIMP at all, in actuality, and simply criticize it out of spite.


 No.828405>>828408

>>828385

>muh rotate colorize and brightness

>real time

Who gives a shit. Also Gimp wasnt even close to doing full screen edits in real time, it has a visible redraw lag as it updates the picture. Gimp is just trash, any of the advanced transformations like Warp or Cage that was added much later and sucks compared to Krita's transforms. Outside of the extreme basics there's a better option for anyone else, and the poor excuse for the UI alone is a prime example of being a piece of shit with an overcrowded, un-intuitive clusterfuck example of the worst of FOSS and reason enough never to recommend it. Its only there for people who hate themselves.

Gimp has always been the laughing stock of image editing and the updates over the years barely do anything at all, it's still shit tier. Krita is new and being quickly developed with major changes every big update that make me check up on it to see if I'll make the switch from Photoshop. One of the photoshop's pioneer features was Liquify which I use often to tweak things and Gimp's "comparison" with IWarp is an absolute joke, you can't even zoom in or see the size of the area you are effecting. It's insulting how bad Gimp is.


 No.828408>>828417 >>828427 >>828474

>>828405

>has a visible redraw lag as it updates the picture

This is true, but it is only the display that is being delayed. The actual image has already been manipulated.

>Warp

I think the warp tool was redone or something recently

>advanced transformations

I haven't really messed with them much. They seem like a novelty feature just for fun.

>poor excuse for the UI

What is an objective problem with the UI. I personally don't see any major problems with it.

>laughing stock

What's funny about it?

>Krita

To be honest, I haven't messed around too much with it, but regardless GIMP is still a good application.


 No.828417>>828444

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>>828408

Its funny because of how pitifully slow and behind Gimp has always been so far behind everyone else. Photoshop has had multicore capability since fucking CS and gimp just now starts trying to add and still cant get it right.

This is like if someone gave made really good fresh cookies but then decided to market it and charged for it (Adobe) but then someone who loved Adobe's cookies for years but felt like something was missing gave it out for free with their own blend (Krita) but then there's Gimp who thought that stale cookies were just as good because it's the same kind of idea. And fags like you who keep telling people stale cookies are great as you shovel it into your mouth. At least they are trying, but it's still shit.


 No.828427>>828430

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>>828408

>What is an objective problem with the UI. I personally don't see any major problems with it.

One tab taking up a good amount of real estate. That's been my personal gripe.


 No.828430

>>828427

CSD to the rescue!


 No.828444>>828469

>>828417

>Photoshop has had multicore capability since fucking CS and gimp just now starts trying to add and still cant get it right.

You can't just duct-tape on multithreading and expect it to work. There's probably fuck-all assumptions in the code. Sometimes, it would be easier to rewrite a piece of code then to make such a drastic change to it: people will always go for the drastic change, however.


 No.828446

Is Krita literally the only thing that supports CMYK?


 No.828469>>828470 >>828785 >>842973 >>843319

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>>828444

not the point. Gimp is just a meme program for normalfags who are too much of a pussy to pirate, and retards that think a polygonal wheel is acceptable because it can get you to the same destination, just not smoothly. There's absolutely nothing that Gimp does well that another one can't do better. I'm fairly sure Sai doesn't have multithreading but its extremely light and fast already while Gimp is a beached whale.

Krita had multithreading in 2009. Gimp is just now trying to do something that makes their program not complete torture that pic is from the 2017 blog.

It's too late it's already been surpassed by another FOSS and there's no reason to use it for any reason anymore. Maybe before Krita things were a lot bleaker, not to mention there's very cheap and new art software like PaintStorm, so there's really no excuse to keep being a gimpfaggot in CY+2.


 No.828470>>828471

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>>828469

It's like you don't even understand that image manipulators and illustrators are different tools with different use cases with only a minimal amount of overlap.


 No.828471>>828473 >>828478

>>828470

not an argument


 No.828473>>828474

>>828471

No. It was an observation.


 No.828474>>828508 >>828519 >>828674

>>828473

>Photoshop excells at image creation and manipulation

>Sai has a good blending engine

>Inkscape is good for vectors if you cant hack Illustrator

>Mischief has an unlimited canvas and full vector support

<Gimp is sup par at everything especially for art, which is the thread topic.

>Krita does many things well like photoshop

<Hurrdurr you dont understand they're seperate tools xddd

Try again Gimpnigger. Better yet go kill yourself. You have about as much intelligence as someone arguing that Photoshop cant be used to paint with because its an image editor while it remains the standard for the pro industry.

>>828408

>advanced control

>novelty feature just for fun.

Plebeian novice detected. No wonder you're satisfied with taking all of Gimp's cock in your ass.


 No.828478>>828671

>>828471

You wanna know how I know you spend most of your time on /g/?


 No.828508>>828671

>>828474

You see this kids? This is the kind of autistic faggot who likes killing threads. Probably got banned from /g/ and figured he'd try spreading his cancer here.


 No.828519>>828671

>>828474

You are trying way-way WAY too the fuck hard to fit in.


 No.828551>>828577 >>828581 >>839634

Why has no one mentioned Blender 3d? It is the best open source project out there.


 No.828577>>828580

>>828551

>Blender

Best video editor we have for Linux atm.


 No.828580>>828783

>>828577

Besides the obvious answer of "just fucking try it yourself", how does it compare to Kdenlive?


 No.828581>>828614 >>828660 >>828671

>>828551

>blender

>good

The only thing blender's good at is as an example of horrible, different for the sake of being different, UI and usability.

Every time someone bitches about Gimp being complicated to use, you just know they never suffered through the shit that is blender


 No.828583

I bet you faggots don't even imagej.


 No.828584

How is krita with animation?


 No.828614>>828671

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>>828581

What a stupid brainlet


 No.828660

>>828581

>I don't want to learn how to use another software, I want all software working in the same way likes intend to not be able to leave them. Never.


 No.828665

anyone got infos about that krita data collection?


 No.828671>>828993

>>828519

>>828508

>>828478

<Oh shit I have no arguments, better samefag and call him a /g/ crossboarder

<telling people why Gimp is shit for art is a derail

Go back to reddit or /leftypol/

>>828581

Please nigger, if you want complicated then try Maya. There's nothing wrong with Blender, it's on more even ground with 3dMax then Gimp compared to Photoshop will ever be. Every artfag should familiarize themselves with 3d if they can, it will only make your drawings better. Try sketchup's free version, really easy results and fast to learn.

>>828614

>cuckchan meme


 No.828674>>828701 >>835489

>>828474

>muh pro standard

>muh pro industry

>muh novice detected

Lmao, tell me more about your work or better yet post them here. You suck and NGMI. You sound like a salty artist and frequent /ic/ trash. Maybe try photography and fashion because you'll end up in there anyway. I can read your personality like an open book.


 No.828701>>828762

>>828674

>Lmao

>>>/reddit/

<Bashing on a medium like photography instead of using it as a means to self teach yourself composition

Not going to make it.


 No.828762

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>>828701

> He thinks lmao is from reddit.

> Uses >>reddit as an argument.

> He then shrieks, "You have no argument.", and "You are projecting." when people call him a retard.

Lmao, you are a projecting retard with no argument.


 No.828764>>828785

>>828112

>1.) Gimp is bad because it is bad.

>2.) It is bad because it gives FOSS a bad name because it's bad.

>3.) Gimp is bad because if you like it, you hate the FOSS community. (This makes sense to a retard lol).

>4.) Gimp is bad because it's the worst software ever.

>5.) Gimp is bad because if you use it you never actually edit images.

Critism with no substance, and vague shit, nothing more than namecalling, that could apply to every program ever made. This same person unironically accuses other people of having no argument. How embarassing.


 No.828783

>>828580

It's much more powerful, and stable too, but it has a much more steep learning curve.


 No.828785>>836642 >>843319

>>828764

there is 3 things I don't like about GIMP v2.9.6:

1) lack of cmyk support

2) lack of simple macro recording

3) the flat and colorless ui and the font effects on inactive menu text

for most editing I switched to GIMP from Photoshop and Paint.NET so i don't have to remove metadata with a separate application every time

>>828469

>too much of a pussy to pirate

I am using GIMP on my pirated windows


 No.828786

File (hide): 90549c26fc69c2c⋯.jpg (564.77 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Heyayahey.jpg) (h) (u)

File (hide): bf7e3a65228cdb7⋯.jpg (844.2 KB, 2048x1411, 2048:1411, I said.jpg) (h) (u)

Any good ones for doing some trippy shit? I'm interested in creating some psychedelic reconstructions, but that shit is a pain to animate properly.


 No.828790>>828799 >>843226

>>828100

Wait how did he do the second circle?

I only saw him highlight the select menu.


 No.828791

>>828112

All that unnecessary salt.


 No.828799>>843226

>>828790

>Wait how did he do the second circle?

Select->Border


 No.828808>>828905

>>828310

What the fuck is this?


 No.828905>>828929

>>828808

Long story short:

Tyson Tan is an artist who draws mascots for FOSS software suites, for free.

Spends considerable time creating a mascot for LibreOffice as an entry into their mascot competition.

Other mascots include literal clip art, everyone seems sure Tyson's will win.

LO changes rules midway into competition that disqualifies his mascot with no warning.

Massive shit storm brews, eventually competition is scrapped.

A bunch of artfags here sympathize with Tyson, draw a bunch of art featuring his mascot and send him a tarball with the pics.

Tyson is touched, reveals that other artists have been giving him shit for basically handing out quality art for no cost and that the experience opened up old wounds.


 No.828908>>828930


 No.828929>>828934

>>828905

>Tyson is touched, reveals that other artists have been giving him shit for basically handing out quality art for no cost.

When did the artfag community become so jewish?


 No.828930

>>828908

Gracias. Wait... I think I know the fag that put this together.


 No.828934>>828959 >>829251 >>834848 >>835631

>>828929

Commission prices can net an artist a crazy amount of cash, especially if they have a fanbase to cater to.

Tyson has an interest in drawing anthropomorphic animals, and that market is a mess. Him giving out free art is making other artists worry that people will go to him for a character rather than commission one of them.


 No.828959>>828971

>>828934

I hope you're just playing jew's advocate there, anon.


 No.828962

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>>828036 (OP)

unfortunately for me, alot ofthe freeware and even pirated japware doesn't go well with my cintiq+extended displays so I just use a pirated adobe photoshop CC with the cloud component ripped out.


 No.828971>>828972

>>828959

No, I think it's wrong of other artists to bash another just because A.) his art is good and B.) he does it for free.

I'm just trying to say why they wouldn't like him for doing what he does. I hope Tyson doesn't stop making free art, especially since he does it for the art alone and asks nothing in return.


 No.828972>>829013

>>828971

This is why alot of arts people are commies and dramafags.

They hate the free market because of people like Tyson doing superior work for lower/no cost.


 No.828993

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>>828671

>try a non-libre program that isn't natively available on GNU/Linux

Please leave the thread


 No.829013>>829017

>>828972

>guy handing out gibs

>not communist

>people optimizing profits by demanding high prices on cheaply created shit

>communist

Okay


 No.829014>>832166

A question to Anons. Do you embed copyright notice and license in your artwork? If so then do you embed a link to the license or the whole license itself?


 No.829017

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>>829013

Nobody ever said these people make any sense, that's just the way they go about their daily lives.


 No.829227>>829380 >>835178

>GIMP

>(((Krita)))

>Mypaint

>Inkscape

All are trash and bloated shitware! All you need is Tux Paint.


 No.829243>>829291

Anyone with real photography experience have an opinion of Darktable vs Rawtherapee? The only thing holding me back from DT is that there's no Windows version I can recommend to people.


 No.829251>>829289 >>829421

>>828934

>Tyson has an interest in drawing anthropomorphic animals, and that market is a mess. Him giving out free art is making other artists worry that people will go to him for a character rather than commission one of them.

That's so retarded, he is designing mascots for FLOSS projects because that's his way of giving back for the free software he received. It's not like he is giving out free commissions to just anyone.


 No.829288>>829290

>>828369

Does the interface require a supercomputer to run like Lightroom?


 No.829289

>>829251

He also had artists giving him shit for making mascots for smaller projects.


 No.829290

>>829288

Runs alright on my 8350 box.


 No.829291>>829301

>>829243

The problem I had with the open sores ones was the raw processing was shitty. There are a billion vendor-specific hacks in raw files and Adobe did a pretty good job at.. well, paying Canon/Nikon programmers. I had issues with stuck pixel removal, dark frames (astronomy), and uglier color reproduction than Lightroom, which is already ugly compared to Canon's horrible tools.


 No.829301>>829313

>>829291

You do kinda have to make sure your camera is well-supported, since it IS a reverse-engineering effort in some cases. If they are though, not a lot of reason to use Lightroom


 No.829313

>>829301

> it IS a reverse-engineering effort

Details?


 No.829314>>829681 >>829695

File (hide): c76ca28ea5af635⋯.jpg (70.87 KB, 600x601, 600:601, gmicky_deevad600.jpg) (h) (u)

It's a fucking sin that nobody mentioned G'MIC:

http://gmic.eu/


 No.829380

>>829227

finally, a voice of reason.


 No.829414>>829451 >>829469 >>830731 >>833808

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What about Linux support for artfag hardware? Is pic related the best cheap drawing tablet that just werks?


 No.829421>>829428 >>829466

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>>829251

It makes me mad at the other artists, they'd charge an arm and a leg for this level of art and for some reason they feel threatened when someone like Tyson does it for free. Tyson does it to give back and because he enjoys drawing.


 No.829428>>829666

>>829421

And he only does it for FOSS projects, which I bet most for those faggots don't even understand about.


 No.829451>>830146

>>829414

Not an artfag but I think Tyson said to avoid the Bamboo shit because of input lag.


 No.829466

>>829421

Tyson is pretty talented, but it's not like any of the free stuff he does is even lewd. I don't understand how furry artists would see him as devaluing their degenerate smut.


 No.829469>>833754

>>829414

I have that tablet. Frankly, you should get the bigger one; don't draw with your wrist, draw with your whole arm. It's worth the investment, just like getting a good chair, your body is worth that much. The drivers are perfectly functional. Pressure sensitivity and everything. As for configuration, that really depends on the software itself. Gimp and Krita both let you define more specific settings for the tablet in their own settings dialog. Presumably, KDE has something that's let you configure it globally, but I've never tried.


 No.829471

>>828036 (OP)

<apt-get

<NOT PURGE

AAAAAAAA


 No.829666>>829758

File (hide): 89e22f042fbdf93⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 154.64 KB, 765x567, 85:63, 51.png) (h) (u)

>>829428

Honestly, this is design work for projects, how this is supposed to devalue degeneracy commissions that are

>private work

>pre-designed characters

>mostly porn

If you'll ask Tyson to draw your hermtaur OC for free he'll probably say no. This has no impact on other artists.


 No.829681>>829695

>>829314

g'mic is already supported by krita and it's just a filter engine, cant do any art on its own.


 No.829695

>>829314

>>829681

Funnily enough I've recently heard people talking about forking gmic, because gmic's author is a cool scientist but he's not very cooperative when it comes to software development. For example, people have been asking him many times to write meaningful commit messages and he just replies with "I understand you frustration" and goes on.


 No.829758

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>>829666

Apparently, the Judaism is so pervasive in the furfag community, it really doesn't matter that he's not directly effecting their profits. YOU DO NOT WORK FOR FREE! Especially if you're good.


 No.829763>>829766

>>828036 (OP)

>using apt-get

>using apt at all


 No.829766

>>829763

did he have a hive of bees sting all over his face?

polite sage for offtopic


 No.830105>>830140 >>830141 >>831893

So flatpak has basically won.


 No.830140>>830162

>>830105

So what's the difference between flatpak and appimage? They all seem like containers of some kind like docker or snap to me.


 No.830141>>830145 >>830162

>>830105

Never heard of this flatpak shit except on this board. If I need a program, I get it from OS package system, or just download source tarball.


 No.830145>>830155 >>830346

>>830141

It's pretty much made for proprietary software, but they don't tell you that. They want to bring "App Stores" to GNU/Linux.


 No.830146

>>829451

>bamboo

>input lag

What?


 No.830155

>>830145

Linux already operates on an "app store" mentality more than fucking Windows does. Almost all windows software is intended to be downloaded from the independent source of the program itself, not some centralized directories.


 No.830162>>830224 >>830254 >>835320

>>830140

AppImage is not a container, it's just a folder turned into an executable. It's no different from tarball with binaries except in a more convenient form.

Flatpak and Snappy are containerized and also are package managers to a degree I think. Snappy is fully controlled by Canonical though, and hard depends on systemd (dunno about flatpak). Snappy winning would basically mean Canonical's monopoly on this.

>>830141

>If I need a program, I get it from OS package system, or just download source tarball.

It's almost like you've never actually built anything from source. Software might depend on libraries that aren't even in your distro, or may depend on libraries configured the way your distro doesn't support (e.g. in abi-breaking way). Not to mention that anyone who installs software from sources via "make install" instead of building a package (which is also extra work) is a moron because it leaves untracked cruft in your system that may bite you in the ass later (e.g. some program might clobber your system libraries with some other versions).


 No.830224

>>830162

>(e.g. some program might clobber your system libraries with some other versions)

Nigger, have you ever built anything from source? What do you think /usr/local/* is for?


 No.830254

>>830162

So what, I can build those libraries too if my package system doesn't have them. I've done it before, and will most likely have to do it again someday. It's just not that big of a deal for me. I spent years meditating at the temple of Slackware. I know ./configure technique, I know make technique, and my style is flawless.

Anyway, for keeping your own stuff separate, there's been solutions for a long time now. I use the one called stow. It's easy, you can learn how to use it in 5 minutes flat.


 No.830346

>>830145

F/OSS also benefits. Especially for those who like to stick to LTS distos. Handy to be able to use an up to day Krita or Kdenlive without PPA fuckery.


 No.830731>>831111

>>829414

Works perfectly fine out of the box


 No.831111

>>830731

Doesn't quite in Ubuntu 17.10. It mostly works, but the buttons are all mixed up in the Gnome Wacom config tool.


 No.831893>>834601

>>830105

Do Flatpaks work with themes yet?


 No.832091>>832093

>>828036 (OP)

https://synfig.org/

What about this?


 No.832093>>832122

>>832091

I think it's specifically for animation, be it vector or raster "cutout" style


 No.832122>>832168 >>832190 >>832377 >>832426

File (hide): 26027da6921c4e3⋯.png (64.55 KB, 1213x712, 1213:712, opentoonz-linux.png) (h) (u)

>>832093

Animation is art too. Why has nobody brought up OpenToonz?


 No.832166

>>829014

metadata


 No.832168

>>832122

I like OpenToonz, but I prefer TVPaint. But that's only because I've been using TVPaint since it was called Mirage back when Jesus was born. OpenToonz's UI is still something I have to learn to understand before I can switch over. I just don't have the time.


 No.832190>>832716

>>832122

Wasn't there some kind of problem with the License and the EULA?


 No.832377>>832387 >>832393

>>832122

Toonz is a convoluted piece of crap with an UI from the neolithic ages.


 No.832387>>834948

>>832377

What do you recommend for someone doing conventional animation?


 No.832393

>>832377

That's true of basically all animation and video editing software.


 No.832426

>>832122

The nature of this kinda software, unfortunately, lends itself to convoluted and confusing interfaces. Things haven't really gotten any better with more recent software either. Open Toonz is different, but it's really not much worse than the alternatives.


 No.832716


 No.833754

>>829469

>Frankly, you should get the bigger one

I've read bigger tablets aren't worth the investment because you just end up using a small portion of it anyway because you end up just drawing relative to your screen/canvas size.


 No.833773>>833936

I haven't really looked through it but I wonder if there is a way to paint using farbfeld utils:

http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/wiki?name=Documentation

I might look into this when I get back from finals could be neat.


 No.833808

>>829414

I'd like to know about Huion Tablet support as well. I'm kinda wantingo to get one, as they're cheap as hell.


 No.833850

I'm looking to dive into drawing using only free/libre software and using Krita and WACOM tablet to learn on.

On that note, does anyone here know about David Revoy and his comic Pepper and Carrot? It's a webcomic supported entirely by donors and uses only free/libre software and tools. It's actually pretty cute and fun.


 No.833936

>>833773

There is a tool, I have no idea what's going on with it though:

http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/wiki?name=ff-xdraw


 No.834601

>>831893

Yes, but it's a bit of a hack. Either you can manually install a theme as a flatpak, or the flatpak can auto install the theme you are using for you.


 No.834667>>834671 >>834830 >>834961

All of you Krita naysayers are missing the main point. What other awesome, open-sauce painting program out there is so furry friendly? Pfft. Not having Krita on your box is like hating cute puppies -- it's just wrong.


 No.834671>>834790

>>834667

Kiki is a fairly marketable mascot, furriness aside.


 No.834790

>>834671

>furriness aside

Nigger absolute majority of mascots that aren't inanimate objects with eyes are cuddly furry animals.


 No.834830>>835063 >>837403

>>834667

I want to hug Kiki.


 No.834848

>>828934

I'm thinking of buying a bunch of Tyson's posters and a mouse pad and donating to Krita. Fuck those assholes for giving him shit.


 No.834948

>>832387

I'm no an animator but the only software that I know about animation are Pencil and synfig studio.


 No.834961

>>834667

Mypaint > krita


 No.835040>>835062

>>828043

I used Mypaint in the prehistoric era with good results. I'll check it out again since Krita is as powerful as its UI is unfriendly.


 No.835062

>>835040

Krita is more powerful than Mypaint, but if you don't need the extra features, or CMYK, Mypaint does a fine job.


 No.835063

File (hide): 8b982c58dc10a4f⋯.jpg (36.49 KB, 782x1024, 391:512, kiki.jpg) (h) (u)

>>834830

We all do, anon.


 No.835117>>835154 >>835318 >>839793

Why doesn't Mypaint get more attention? This is actually a pretty alright drawing app.


 No.835154

>>835117

Because GTK3?


 No.835176

This seems like a good place for OC.


 No.835178

>>829227

>Tux Paint

That hasn't been updated in more than half a decade though.


 No.835179>>842146

what to use as digital audio workstation?

I know so far

Bitwig

Lmms

Reaper

anything else?


 No.835318>>838416

>>835117

Same reason Rawtherapee doen't get as much attention as Darktable. Krita has kinda sucked all the oxygen out of the room, mindshare-wise.


 No.835320>>835370

>>830162

Flatpak remove systemd as a dep a while ago.


 No.835370

>>835320

Flatpak is probably going to "win" out over Snap. AppImage is different enough that it serves a slightly different function. Mainly, testing alpha & beta software more conveniently than either Flatpak or Snaps allow.


 No.835437>>835477 >>835498 >>835539 >>835609 >>835610 >>835640 >>836646

Just use Photoshop!

Photoshop is a REAL industry standard and it's used the world over.

Krita's mascot is stupid. Kiki? She's a squirrel! Just dumb.

And she lets others peek at her source code for pleasure and money. What a slut! She's probably had tens of thousands inside her day and night, even little boys and girls I bet!(gross)

Meanwhile, Photoshop has things locked down like a pure god fearing nun. Ain't nobody going to screw with your program on Adobe's watch! And it's guaranteed to make you successful! You want to make money and not support disgusting furriness, don't you?!

It's just a joke.


 No.835477

>>835437

This tbh, freetards are kidding themselves.


 No.835489

>>828674

Ebola-chan is my waifu!


 No.835498

File (hide): 242ff2c18a99e19⋯.jpg (41.5 KB, 523x523, 1:1, asd4Ia0T.jpg) (h) (u)

>>835437

This,

except without the irony of a weeabo freetard in denial.


 No.835539

>>835437

>being autistic enough that you have to label what is obviously a joke as a joke

>>>/reddit/


 No.835609

File (hide): 16ee04f35fb98e5⋯.jpg (5.66 KB, 124x125, 124:125, 1469152505800.jpg) (h) (u)


 No.835610

File (hide): e7b3e35576d885e⋯.png (670.95 KB, 1245x1178, 1245:1178, 46cabb80ab05e1df5beb5b7609….png) (h) (u)

>>835437

>She's a squirrel

Yes. Yes she is.


 No.835631

>>828934

Which maybe why Tyson had to clarify that he only does free work for FLOSS projects. I assume he might have also been trying to pacify these assholes.


 No.835640>>836229

>>835437

I know it's a joke and all but some basic tools like free transformation is million times better in Krita then they are in Photoshop.


 No.836229>>836358

>>835640

wrong.

kritas free transform blows. Photoshop lets you skew, scale and distort all by just grabbing the handles with modifier keys, and you can transform without any key shortcuts needed. Krita slows this to a crawl by having to select the transform tool, then use the shortcut, then select the tab for tool options, then select the transform mode. Complete shit for productivity , when will freetards learn?


 No.836340>>836342 >>838453

File (hide): 4da79a8be80a713⋯.jpg (105.02 KB, 1200x627, 400:209, Cuarto_Oscuro_Darktable_1.….jpg) (h) (u)


 No.836342

>>836340

Officially, I mean.


 No.836358

>>836229

It's even worse for people who have memory issues, and are simply unable to memorize yet another set of required arbitrary shortcuts for a program they only use occasionally.

Blender can go to hell


 No.836642

>>828785

>1) lack of cmyk support

CMYK support or simply import of photoshop files?

Full support, not yet (though there is some internal support for CMYKA already). But then, what it allows that can't be done in RGBA?

Import/export - there are plugins. GIMP is all about plugins and scripts. Separate and Separate+ for Tiff.

imagemagick can convert CMYK psd to RGBA png. XnView probably can do it too. In batches.

>2) lack of simple macro recording

Okay, good point.

On the upside, between script-fu and Python-fu, if you have a clear idea of what you want, it probably can be easily automated - even without studying its quirks in details, just open help and RTFM on. Or ask someone who already does it, there are forums about GIMP scripting. Search engines still exist, and all that.

>3) the flat and colorless ui and the font effects on inactive menu text

Seriously? GUI that does not look like a Christmas tree is a disadvantage?

Well, if you want to change Look&Feel, GIMP supports themes. Though I never actually messed with them, because default + small are good enough.


 No.836646>>836656

>>835437

>20 bucks a month for something you won't even own


 No.836656>>836660 >>837819

>>836646

You know, I have no problem with paying a regular fee for a service. But they are not even providing any service for that money. Their only "service" would be to prevent me from using my own computer as I see fit. What a deal!


 No.836660

>>836656

That's the key point about desktop SaaS products: you're not paying a regular fee for a service, you're paying a regular fee for a product. You never buy the software, you just rent it. Pic.


 No.837403>>837408 >>837885

>>834830

I want to smooch Kiki.


 No.837408>>837441

File (hide): 733ff63c1d10f9f⋯.png (646.73 KB, 1245x1178, 1245:1178, 733ff63c1d10f9fbc9f72e109b….png) (h) (u)

>>837403

And then what?


 No.837441>>837570

>>837408

Well then I'd snuggle that big bushy tail of hers.


 No.837570>>837777

File (hide): f99861ffa1da54c⋯.png (1.94 MB, 1240x1754, 620:877, f99861ffa1da54c7de713250ab….png) (h) (u)

>>837441

As I pound her furry pu-


 No.837777>>837796

File (hide): 75e9d49a4cb01c2⋯.jpg (75.12 KB, 1000x1415, 200:283, 75e9d49a4cb01c2a45e17f87b3….jpg) (h) (u)

>>837570

Purse?


 No.837796

>>837777

It's a weird thing to do, but holy quads confirm.


 No.837819>>837826

>>836656

> But they are not even providing any service for that money.

Actually there is some service available if you buy 5000$ per month h24 7/7 support


 No.837826

>>837819

And what kind of service can 5000 freedom credits buy you?


 No.837885>>837931

>>837403

I want to get good enough to paint Kiki


 No.837931>>837935

>>837885

Get a cheap Wacom tablet and DL Mypaint.


 No.837935>>837944

>>837931

I feel like starting with pencil and paper instead of a $200 tablet would be better.


 No.837941

I can't


 No.837944

>>837935

You can get Intuos tablets for 60 and under, but I still get your point.


 No.838416

>>835318

There is also the fact that Mypaint follows a lot of GNOME conventions. Which are pretty alien outside of Gnome.


 No.838445>>838450 >>838451

File (hide): 33b482024ff28d1⋯.jpeg (108.47 KB, 317x890, 317:890, pop-team-epic-ch-19-pic-8.jpeg) (h) (u)

Here's some OC.


 No.838450>>838493 >>838505

File (hide): f36ee4654ea15cd⋯.gif (288.43 KB, 447x415, 447:415, ea51d4e87aa689508772deaec8….gif) (h) (u)

>>838445

THEY TOOK THE PEPPER BRUSH OUT OF 2.9!!!!


 No.838451


 No.838453

File (hide): 6c2709448a35e1c⋯.gif (437.1 KB, 640x360, 16:9, 5029.gif) (h) (u)

>>836340

And now Linux is even more useless.


 No.838493>>838544

>>838450

What the fuck?


 No.838505>>838544

>>838450

There's literally no reason to use GIMP now. Why does it even exist?


 No.838544>>838554

>>838505

>>838493

Relax. You can still use it if you look under 'legacy' in the brushes menu.


 No.838554

>>838544

>no pepper hanging from the string

Leave it to the drawfaggot to have no imagination


 No.839263>>839264

Since he's tangentially related to the topic, I thought I'd mention David Revoy has released a new Pepper & Carrot comic:

https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/article433/episode-24-the-unity-tree


 No.839264>>839267

>>839263

Read it last night. God, I'm glad I donated now.


 No.839267>>839268

File (hide): 9c539c58cc4b601⋯.jpg (3.87 MB, 992x12071, 992:12071, en_Pepper-and-Carrot_by-Da….jpg) (h) (u)

>>839264

His art is top fucking notch, but he needs to get help on his English translations.


 No.839268>>839376

File (hide): 19c28de860f57f5⋯.jpg (1.73 MB, 2481x3503, 2481:3503, gfx_Pepper-and-Carrot_by-D….jpg) (h) (u)

>>839267

Lots of good reaction images in this one.


 No.839376>>839400 >>839438

>>839268

Ok, I've looked and I am finding NO R34 of this. What the hell?


 No.839400>>839415 >>839450


 No.839415

>>839400

>good

Anon, there is a literal hole in the internet.


 No.839438>>839443

>>839376

FOSS OS has no software. FOSS comic has no R34. It's like pottery.


 No.839443

>>839438

This bait is of poor quality.


 No.839450>>839726

>>839400

I agree. P&C aren't for lewding


 No.839574>>839635 >>839715 >>839717

File (hide): b8d2f90790ec15f⋯.jpg (2.83 MB, 1945x2568, 1945:2568, b8d2f90790ec15f6be9a95709e….jpg) (h) (u)

/tech/-approved freedom drawing tablet.


 No.839634

>>828551

Blender is amazing. Once the Blender 101 project is up all the babbys may stop crying tbh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN0zPOpADL4


 No.839635>>839637

>>839574

Mad skills. Draw Miku-chan tbh.


 No.839637

>>839635

That's not me. It's from a /v/ thread with etch-a-sketch reproductions of random pictures.


 No.839664>>839723

>Mypaint better than Krita

So there's a way to disable that retarded behaviour in Mypaint of undo based on time rather than individual strokes?


 No.839715

File (hide): 5fe97585a02cfd0⋯.png (780.09 KB, 1928x1058, 964:529, 5fe97585a02cfd0ec7b194a52f….png) (h) (u)

>>839574

/tech/ approved mascot, if nothing else.


 No.839717

>>839574

I'll just add that to Tyson's archive. Ya could have posted this in the LMG too, yknow.


 No.839723

File (hide): 96f901f84ee5dea⋯.png (504.13 KB, 1117x720, 1117:720, DFpVXC1XgAANL4H.png) (h) (u)

>>839664

It's not better per se; it's just a lot simpler and lighter on resources. If you don't need CYMK, or the extra features Krita has, you can get on with Mypaint fine. It also runs better on low-powered hardware. Mypaint is the Budgie to Krita's KDE, basically.


 No.839726>>839784

>>839450

David has done simi lewd stuff of them in the comics.


 No.839784

>>839726

Only of that smug bitch Saffron from what I've seen. Shichimi is the best witch.


 No.839793>>839809

>>835117

post the full image, anon? i want it


 No.839809

File (hide): e69d9ba655c99db⋯.png (7.8 MB, 2638x3487, 2638:3487, kynitia_by_deevad-d5c1tws.png) (h) (u)


 No.839951

How active is Mypaint development?


 No.841153

this is a nice thread


 No.841197>>842082

In case anyone was wondering, Krita is basically unusable witn Intel graphics on FreeBSD/TrueOS. Mypaint, on the other hand, works pretty well.


 No.842082

>>841197

FreeBSD's gpu support is total shit outside of Nvidia, so that's not really much of a surprise.


 No.842146

>>835179

csound :^)


 No.842973

>>828469

For most of what I do image wise Gimp seems to get the job done just fine. I'm not a professional illustrator or anything, and I don't use my machine to draw. Mainly just chopping and editing. I find Gimp's layer interface familiar and comfy. No idea where I would even begin with Krita.


 No.843226

File (hide): c598cc62a21f839⋯.webm (1.64 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, gimp_circle.webm) (h) (u) [play once] [loop]

>>828116

>>828790

>>828799

Ahm, just FYI guys, although is true that at the moment GIMP doesn't have the shape drawing tools it has path tools and where the shape tools are for selections it's one button away to convert any selection into a shape and the shapes can be stroked or edited as many times as you want without needing to modify the pixels of the image. It's pretty useful IMO although it's true the shape drawing tools should be there.


 No.843311>>849808

As a total fucking novice who wants to get into doing comics / character drawings using foss, what is a good recommendation as a basic stack for drawing, animating etc?

At the moment I have synfig and gimp but im looking into krita and mypaint now...

I have a really shitty chinese knock-off tablet I got for free with credit card reward points but money isnt a real problem for me.

Thoughts?


 No.843319

>>828785

Gimp is aiming to get CMYK support after Gimp 2.10.

>>828469

I use Gimp because it's free software, it respects my freedom. I use Gimp for what it is, it manipulates images. I don't use it for what it is not, a painting program.


 No.849803

Paint tool SAI has a really good feature where you can set a layer to binary colour mode and any pixel that does not have an alpha of 0 is completely opaque. It's useful for erasing stray pixels. How can you replicate that in Krita?


 No.849808

>>843311

Krita and Mypaint are designed for paintings and drawings. Gimp is not designed for paintings or drawing, though that doesn't necessarily stop many people from painting using Gimp. I assume you are already familiar with Synfig.




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