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 No.805169>>805182 >>806133 >>806166 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

In 1997 Arthur C. Clarke estimated that 1 petabyte (1000 terabytes) would be enough memory to store all the memories of a human life. It's been 20 years now, was he right? What does anon think is enough to store all the memories of a human life?

 No.805175

I heard some quack say the human brain contained 4TB of information a decade ago. They're just pulling numbers out of their ass. It apples to oranges.


 No.805182

>>805169 (OP)

Still no mind uploading.


 No.805185>>805204 >>805207 >>805333 >>805367

I don't know but let's calculate something. Firstly let's use 70 years as our time frame in which we collect data. Human is basically a bunch of sensors wired together so we can break down data collection to: visual, physical, chemical and acoustical. Starting with eyes which are roughly equivalent to 10 mega pixel cameras each, providing 3D stereo vision. Let's assume that frame rate of eye is ~60 fps and color depth is 24bit. Size of one frame is thus:

10e6 * 3B = 30e6B = 30MB/frame

Multiply that by 2 for stereo vision: 60MB/frame. Let's also apply compression to reduce storage usage. Practical limits shows that we can compress data up to 1:2 ratio so we have 30MB/frame for both eyes if we use lossless compression. In 70 years that amounts to:

30e6B * 60 s^-1 * 31556926 (seconds in year) * 70 Years = 3.9762e+18 = 3.98 EB

So if we assume all memories means documenting every single frame human eye sees numbers don't add up. I don't know if forgetting is accounted for in his theory but it said "all memories". Anyways continuing with audio perception let's model ears as stereo microphones recording at lossless 24-bit audio at 40kHz, each second takes 120KB of storage (also using 1:2 compression):

120e3B/s * 31556926 * 70 = 2.6508e+14B = 0.265 PB

That covers sound, moving on on chemical perception - smell, we need to distinguish between 1 trillion 10^12 different chemical compounds roughly 5B of information, along with intensity which we will assume is 8 bit = 1B. For simplicity we will use 1Hz as smell sampling rate, which I think is plenty fast (when someone farts there is some delay between sound and shit particles hitting your smelling receptors):

6B/s * 31556926 * 70 = 13.25 GB

Which basically amounts to fuck all when compared to visual data. Same holds true for temperature, pressure and touch sensors (there is also some bullshit humans make up from nothing, but we will neglect that). Main source of data is visual information, perhaps some more compression could be applied as humans don't have photographic memory, which means all previous calculations are bullshit.


 No.805204

>>805185

>humans remember everything perfectly

no


 No.805207>>805226

>>805185

>which means all previous calculations are bullshit.

lol. why did you write this shit then?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


 No.805208

I bet it's all very small ephemeral data and it's just procedural.


 No.805226

>>805207

I don't know. I was bored and had to do something.


 No.805318>>806024

You have fewer than a hundred billion neurons. 1 PB would mean over 10 KB per neuron. That seems excessive.

Evolved computational structures often manage to be very efficient with resources because they can afford to be totally incomprehensible. People manage amazing things in submissions to the IOCC or in code golf, but those need to be understood by at least one person, while they're being created. The things your brain does don't need to be understood by anyone because they're shaped blindly. Evolution is not intelligent.

I think that you could store someone's memories in way less than a petabyte by directly translating brain structure. But good luck getting anything useful out of it without running a full simulation.


 No.805328

Sure, he didn't say it had to be uncompressed now did he?


 No.805329

Why bother, humans suffer bitrot after thirty seconds

worse than 'spinning rust' meme


 No.805333>>805455

>>805185

Except memories are re-built every time we remember them. We don't store a face or anything like that, and we don't store everything. A petabyte actually sounds like too much.


 No.805367>>805497

>>805185

>3.98 EB

that's a lot of zeros.

how much space to record every atom's type and location in the brain.


 No.805455

>>805333

So hypothetically we store color, "texture", sounds (e.g voice pitch, tone, etc), and assorted data at an unknown resolution or bitrate and generate them at runtime. Sort of like procedural generation, but with some imperfections and potential for variations (imagination).


 No.805497

>>805367

it's the electrons that matter you dumb nigger


 No.805930>>806029

One sperm contains 750Mb of data


 No.805997

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ACC was a big Amiga fan. There's some youtube videos of him exploring fractals on an A2000 or something. Maybe he was assuming information could be compressed better somehow, and it probably can be. But everyone those days assumed the future would be a lot better than it turned out.


 No.806024

>>805318

>You have fewer than a hundred billion neurons. 1 PB would mean over 10 KB per neuron. That seems excessive.

We know too little to say. Like how cloning failures discovered that there was a huge amount more information in in-use DNA than we thought.


 No.806027

Human memory is already pretty much compressed by your brain only storing/recalling certain details and cutting out "most" sensory input from what ever you experienced. If you could digitize a memory without all of the extra junkshit that comes with it, I betit would fit under this board file limit.


 No.806029>>806077

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>>805930

Imagine blowing 600 million of these out your dick every time you blow a load.


 No.806068

>human life and memories

Pure botnet. Don't fucking download this shit, nigga.


 No.806077>>806088

>>806029

Does ZipDisk have any superiority to traditional Floppy? I might buy one for my new rig


 No.806088>>806090 >>806102 >>806137

>>806077

Ja, Zwerg. Floppieren ist 1.4MB, während ZipDisk ist 750MB.


 No.806090

>>806088 (checked)

schöne hitler doppel du schwuchtel


 No.806102>>806108

>>806088

can you please learn German


 No.806108

>>806102

was macht dich denken er braucht lernen deutsch?


 No.806133>>815577

>>805169 (OP)

Is that book any good? Only seen 2001 and 2010.


 No.806137>>806146

>>806088

>german LARP in /tech/

Keep it in IRC please.


 No.806146>>806147

>>806137

>er kann nicht deutsch sprechen


 No.806147>>806153

>>806146

>他不能说汉语


 No.806153

>>806147

>implizieren


 No.806166

>>805169 (OP)

>In 1997 Arthur C. Clarke estimated that 1 petabyte (1000 terabytes) would be enough memory to store all the memories of a human life.

Sounds like he made his prediction deliberately vague so it comes true in any case. Are we talking about storing a single neurochemical snapshot scan of a human brain, or a simplified approximation thereof, or just a bunch of data recorded over the course of a lifetime? A petabyte drive could contain every piece of text ever written by a human that can be encoded in UTF-8 thousands of times over, or 3963 years of 64kbit/s Opus-encoded stereo audio, or ~98 years of YouTube-quality 1080p video.


 No.815557

>memories

>stored in brain


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>>806133

This tbh fam.




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