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UNIX is bloatware in itself.

Freedom is all about personal responsibility. You are as free as the amount you're willing to invest into yourself. If you're willing to invest little of yourself, that's just your own problem.

all that bloat but they still couldnt make a good filepicker

>>1067080

>remove gtk3

Also gtk2 if you can. Anything involving red hat CIA, fedora, gnome. Seriously hope the outreachy fuck them up.

>>1067081

so time to install kde then?

kde has some shit dependencies.

I'm running on gentoo and exclusively use gtk2. Gets harder and harder though. X11 has so many window toolkits, quite a few that are also a lot less pozzed in their neghole. Shame nobody really uses them.

It's deliberate. They don't like users being able to change things and they want it removed. They just knew that they couldn't get away with doing it outright, so they're using the salami method.

>>1067089

all i really need gtk for is a decent browser and maybe a file manager but there might be something else for that somewhere.

because muh css

>>1067048 (OP)

The main problem with GTK+ is people maintaining it made "performance is not important" their motto. Also RedHat develops it. Corporations often don't care about the software quality or if it's bloated, because they have a lot of manpower they can spend on doing unnecessary things.

>>1067048 (OP)

Because of the GNU > Redhat management transition.

>>1067081

gtk2 is based and gnupilled

>>1067129

can firefox or its forks still be compiled for it or is the new gtk a requirement? old gtk is so much lighter and it can look good too so theres really no reason to use the bloated gtk versions

>>1067130

GTK2 support got dropped sometime around v60, for, I shit you not, "code simplicity". Yes, the very same Firefox that ships one broken overcomplex garbage nonfeature after another removes useful features because they are "bloat". You can still run v59 on complete JS lockdown like me, but it's not too nice, especially if you consider that the only reason to use a "modern" shit browser is JS support.

>>1067130

Pale moon still supports gtk2. Everyone should just use pale moon. People got a stick up their ass because the author got all autistic about some addons but it's one of the best if not the best browser out there from a privacy standpoint. (and yeah moonchild is a huge autismo but the browser is solid anyways, you don't have to marry the guy and the addon blacklist can be deactivated) It's also a genuine fork with own codebase, not a rebranded firefox with a few about:config options toggled like all the other "forks" so mozilla can't really kill them off. Pale Moon also still uses XUL addons. If you give a shit about privacy, pale moon is one of the few choices.

>>1067098

>because muh css

>implementing CSS outside of document applications.

Wew. This is so stupid, even Windows has better theming capabilities now.

>>1067129

protip: all of Gnome and GTK is GNU software

>>1067136

protip: see who's hosting GNOME's web page

>>1067137

Redhat is hosting Gnome's web page.

>>1067133

might have to try it. i just need to compile it myself because its not in the distro repos and the precompiled version wont run because this is a musl only system.

>>1067139

normally gnu things are hosted on the gnu domains

>>1067142

Yes, that statement is indeed accurate.

Can you autists keep the gnu internals bickering to one thread?

>>1067136

gnu no longer leads gnome development. Gnome 2 was a gnu project, but 3 isn't

GTK literally contains a JS implementation, so does QT. Modern UI libs are trash.

>>1067164

GNU leads GNU Gnome development as GNU Gnome is a GNU project. GNU dictates the boundaries of what Gnome must not do. There has never been a time where GNU Gnome has stopped being a GNU project.

>>1067048 (OP)

Short story: it's made by same company that did SystemD.

That should give you a big enough hint.

>>1067209

Nowadays it's more of a redhat and freedesktop project. Technically it was started by GNU, but it's very much independent from them these days.

So to summarize, the only way to avoid the botnet is to customize a tinycore linux distribution with minimal and carefully selected software, embrace the TTY, and distribute it by physically exchanging thumb drives. Is that about it? Are we about to re-enter the 80s?

>>1067133

>Using Pale Meme and not IceCat

Besides everyone knows FLTK is the best and every application should elect to use it instead of whatever inferior choice they have now. Including IceCat.