/tech/ - Technology★

I contributed a fair bit in the past but gave up when I realized nobody cares, including the maintainers. Also last I checked, it was a 4chan /g/ wiki and /tech/ was only tolerated.

>>1048670

When you think about it, if everyone gave up we can make it a /tech/ wiki. I exclusively use /tech/ and like I said I am the only person actively contributing besides one or two edits by lurker accounts.

>>1048672

Same for me, but I don't like the idea of squatting someone else's property, even if benevolent. It's a ticking time bomb. The admin could come back anytime, decide he's not benevolent anymore, and fuck your shit up.

Instead we should make our own wiki, mediawiki is not hard to host. Would be nice if we could make it a Tor wiki.

>>1048673

This is our own wiki. It's even in the /tech/ sticky, dude. Sure, it previously was made for /g/, and it had less /tech/-related content in years past, but this is OUR wiki already, dude

>>1048674

Get our men on the wiki and start adding more stuff!

>>1048674

Who is the admin? Does he post on /tech/?

>>1048676

It's bananafish and he's more or less dead

>>1048677

So if he has no accountability at all, why are we trusting a site run by him? Is there a reason besides you not knowing how to host a wiki?

>>1048678

What? Bananafish was a cool dude, and the Install Gentoo Wiki was not the only service run by Install Gentoo. He has full accountability, his last edit was replying to a talk in December 2018. He's just gone quiet on the wiki.

>>1048679

So he is MIA, got it.

>>1048679

Can you please answer:

>Is there a reason besides you not knowing how to host a wiki?

>>1048681

What is the point of me making a new wiki when there already is one

>>1048683

>>1048681

What about ripping the wiki instead and host it somewhere else?

>>1048683

One thing at a time. First, are you able to host your own wiki?

>>1048685

No, I don't have the ability to host my own servers atm. What does it matter

>>1048686

Because it is easier to self-host then to handle someone who is MIA for 3 months.

>>1048686

Thanks, that explains it. I recommend you read up on it, it's really not hard at all.

>>1048684

It would be trivial if you don't care about history. Even with history it would be easy. Would be nice to switch to a Markdown wiki with IP hashes instead of usernames while you're at it.

>>1048688

I did not start this thread to say we need a new wiki. I completely disagree with that notion. I think we need to begin actively editing it again.

>>1048691

I understand why you started the thread. You need to understand why people stopped editing in the first place. A wiki is a good idea, but not this one (though its content should be reused).

>>1048693

People stopped editing because of an active spam problem caused the admin to resort to closing all accounts. The issue has since been resolved

>>1048693

>You need to understand why people stopped editing in the first place.

No one, or very few people, go to the install gentoo wiki, plan on editing, then decide not to because they would need to use a pseudonym. Still very few people will be turned off by having to learn a new formatting language while being handheld, or use a visual editor. If people aren't contributing, it's because they don't see it as a valuable resource, or because they don't think they have anything to contribute.

>>1048696

>>1048695

Alright, let me put it like this: I used to contribute, and stopped because of the need for a pseudonym and lack of explicit assurance from admins. If someone from /tech/ created a wiki, copied content from installgentoo, actively administered it and ideally solved the pseudonym problem, I would contribute again.

Sounds like you think you understand users of that wiki better than me, so I'll let you heed or disregard that as you will. Maybe some lurkers will chime in to agree/disagree.

I read the installgentoo wiki from time to time. I think it's qt. I don't think """we""", whoever that is, need a new wiki. That's silly! The admin(s) of installgentoo have _proven_ themselves faithful to host it and respect the hard work of faithful /tech/nicians and /g/entlemen alike. I think the fact it's /g/'s wiki with /tech/ tacked on is because a few years ago the /tech/ of today was /g/, and the /g/ of today was like some disptopian nightmere. I, for one, look forward to contributing new content and breathing some life into this wiki.

I especially always loved the moves section. I think I've watched them all (couldn't make it thru videodrone) and have some ideas of what to contribute in that area.

>>1048703

Make an account. I added a lot of films to that section. You should see all my edits

>>1048704

>You should see all my edits

Lay off the self shilling, anon. It makes me want to punch your genitalia with my shoe.

>Anyway, we have an official wiki and none of you are taking part in it.

Because it's dead

And it's 4chan's, not this shithole's

>>1048707

It's also literally not official, as officially it's the /g/ wiki.

>>1048708

No, they changed their name from /g/ wiki to The Install Gentoo Wiki when /tech/ came around. It's literally in this board's sticky

Yes I think the weebshit redditard faction should fuck off from the wiki. Please make your own and we can go back to /g/wiki

>>1048697

>>1048696

>>1048695

Allow anonymous editing would lead to spam, but I would rather deal with it in post with good moderation.

>>1048703

>>1048704

>>1048706

I won't say it is self-shilling but you are trying to resuscitate the dead here.

>>1048709

This, WE breathed new life into it, and WE own the wiki.

>>1048721

Stop trying, nobody is going to fill in your shitty wiki.

>>1048722

check the sticky, prove me wrong

>>1048667 (OP)

>se7en

all you do is larp all day

>>1048703

>and the /g/ of today was like some disptopian nightmere CoC-sucking pozfest*

ftfy anon.

>>1048734

Howso?

Wiki seems to be down?

>>1048756

works for me™

What if you take submitions to the wiki through posts here in /tech/ and maybe /g/? You could have anonymous submitions and some users/mods who take them and add them to the wiki, thus filtering spam and intentional missinformation.

Is that possible or just a really retarded and overcomplicated way of doing things?

If I host a wiki for us, would any of you faggots actually contribute to it?

>>1048805

Here's my contribution:

How to recover a single text file you accidentally rm'd

If you have accidentally deleted or otherwise damaged your valuable and irreplaceable data and have no previous experience with data recovery, turn off your computer immediately (Just press and hold the off button or pull the plug; do not use the system shutdown function) and seek professional help. It is quite possible and even probable that, if you follow any of the steps described below without fully understanding them, you will worsen your situation.

oh yeah and install gentoo

did mods delete my reply or something? I replied to this thread yesterday and it's _gone_.

anyway we need a new wiki, just copy over all the current content and start a matrix server for editor discussion.

idgaf about the wiki but I do miss the ftp.

>>1048721

>This, WE breathed new life into it, and WE own the wiki.

Whoever has the admin password, owns the wiki. Whoever owns/pays for the server owns it even more. Why can't you understand this?

>>1048734

Hasn't he been one of the groupies in their IRC cabal for years now? Sure sounds familiar.

>>1048788

Possible but requires effort and nobody running this project gives enough of a fuck. Also instead of doing it manually, we could just set up a username-less wiki and skip that step entirely.

>>1048808

I'll contribute too:

How to improve programming productivity

Programming is highly demanding on the brain therefore you must ensure optimal blood flow and brain activity. One simple exercise can be very helpful for this. Perform these steps at the beginning of your programming session, and take breaks to repeat as needed: First, stretch by standing upright and bending down at the waist. Aim to touch your toes or grip the backs of your knees. Next, sit down and bend again slowly. As you adjust to the bent down position begin to slowly lean forward more and more. You will need to stimulate the high circulation organ - after you have become an experienced programmer the organ will become conditioned to become stimulated on its own as you begin this exercise, but if you are new you may need to warm it up a little with your fingers or tongue. Once the organ is fully stimulated, proceed to insert into your mouth and suck vigorously. You should imagine yourself slurping on a very thick milkshake through a straw. Continue until you feel the spike in brain activity, which also tends to trigger a salty taste sensation in the mouth. Happy programming!

>>1048831

OP made three threads. Make sure you didn't post in one of the others. Then make sure to call OP a massive faggot.

>>1048839

I am not in the Install Gentoo IRC.

Instead of a Wiki, why not just have an FAQ thread? Posts instead of articles. OP post can be a table of contents that gets edited. People can request for their old posts to be deleted so they can post revisions. There's nothing stopping you from writing up a howto post on 8chan.

>>1048839

yeah one of the /tech/ irc and he's a total larper who can't be bothered looking into a VPS but screams very loudly whenever someone runs 'his' shitty fosstard content geocities website

>>1048897

What are you talking about? I can't afford a VPS atm and do not have the means to self-host presently. What are you talking about when you say "screams about people running his shitty GeoCities website"

>>1048898

>I can't afford a VPS atm

Ask your mom for money. VPSs are cheap.

>do not have the means to self-host presently

If you can connect to the internet you can selfhost. unless you get cucked by your ISP

Here, I made a Wiki for you

https://wiki.cloveros.ga

I can offer mysql database dumps at regular intervals and it's licensed creative commons zero (public domain), enjoy.

Fuck off back to the IRC circle jerk.

>>1048901

Not that it is any of your business, but I am not a 15 year old skid who lives with his mommy

>>1048902

are you serious about running a wiki? It sounds like you are leaving it hands-off. I don't see it going down but it would be good to have an active wiki administrator who isn't just the web master.

Also, if we're gonna do this why not also put up a matrix/riot server to coordinate assembling the wiki.

>>1048945

I'm going to make my pages on there and do some configuration, so I'm going to end up doing some basic Wiki administrative work.

I actually wanted to make a Wiki for the same reason I wanted to make CloverOS - to make hard things easy. I just didn't have the time to do it before.

>>1048953

could you make a copy of the existing IG wiki to start us off?

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Exporting_all_the_files_of_a_wiki

>>1048955

You can copy articles by copying/pasting the source.

https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=GNU/Linux&action=edit

I plan on just outright remaking some of these articles.

>>1048965

if you are going to go through with this (which I don't recommend) I suggest you follow the mediawiki bulk-download feature.

>I am the founder of The Liquid Crystal Generation, a lifestyle ideal that I am the only member of so far (heh heh).

cringe

>>1048971

W/e.

2019-04-03 19:30:43     ~se7en  Well, tritonium, uploading the inux shit that was alread there is a good starting point for further editing
2019-04-03 19:30:56     ~se7en  Rather than having 1 or 2 articles to begin written by randos
2019-04-03 19:30:58     ~tritonium      sure
2019-04-03 19:31:18     ~se7en  I really think you should upload an archive of the old wiki, Jesus 
2019-04-03 19:31:22     ~se7en  Just as a starting point
2019-04-03 19:31:40     ~tritonium      might as well include just general extra shit that people can use on linux
2019-04-03 19:31:46     ~tritonium      stuff that would be fun
2019-04-03 19:31:57     ~tritonium      various server setups
2019-04-03 19:32:23     ~tritonium      just home projects people can do with their shitboxes running linux
2019-04-03 19:32:35     ~Jesus  if you want a starting point, get the useful articles from there, click source, copy it, paste it into a new article
2019-04-03 19:32:45     ~Jesus  wikipedia syntax is universal
2019-04-03 19:33:00     ~tritonium      cool
2019-04-03 19:33:27     ~se7en  Jesus: but what about the images and templates missing
2019-04-03 19:33:37     ~se7en  There were a lot of significant images contributed
2019-04-03 19:34:41     ~se7en  I've uploaded images too, which will be lost to the new wiki
2019-04-03 19:36:30     ~se7en  It is also what the thread wants, Jesus 
2019-04-03 19:37:11     ~Jesus  i thought that thread was just you
2019-04-03 19:38:33     ~Jesus  also i'm not aiming to replace installgentoo
2019-04-03 19:38:47     ~Jesus  I'm going to put a few useful articles on there
2019-04-03 19:39:00     ~Jesus  i don't have any intention of mirroring that site
2019-04-03 19:39:54     ~se7en  It's not mirroring
2019-04-03 19:40:06     ~tritonium      just make it cloveros exclusive
2019-04-03 19:40:09     ~se7en  It's adding the current version of installgentoo, then editing from there
2019-04-03 19:40:17     ~se7en  Then what's the point, tritonium 
2019-04-03 19:40:33     ~tritonium      yeah
2019-04-03 19:41:04     ~Jesus  honestly, fuck /g/
2019-04-03 19:41:11     ~se7en  It's not just /g/

What's the point then

>>1048985

which IRC channel is this? I want to join.

>>1048987

It's the #cloveros channel on rizon

Bump.

>>1050178

>why are you bump

Because no one has begun editing the wiki, now has a consensus reached on if we should make a new one.

>>1050234

>we should make a new one.

We should

OP's whines inspired me

>>1050178

Am I looking at this wrong, or are you running screen, inside an ssh session, inside screen?

>>1050240

same. OP may be a fag but we need the initiative.

>>1050686

http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

>>1050686

1. Maximum freedom: microarchitecture, libc, init and stuff like LibreSSL coming slowly but surely

2. USE flags are the best

3. Performance ricing feels nice

4. Portage is very nice and ebuilds are easy to write

5. If you count the official overlays, probably the biggest repos there are out there

>>1050686

It's ironic.

brb writing a wiki page on obvious jokes

No, you should not "install gentoo." You should install a real operating system like Mezzano or save up until you can afford a Symbolics machine. Go outside, cut some wood, go on the usenet (if you weenies can even figure that out) and talk with some real programmers. Even the Multics CPU Simulator will do in a pinch: I do all my programming and posting from inside there and treat the UNIX brain damage that is Ubuntu as a glorified bootloader and hypervisor for multiple Multics mainframe simulators at once.

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creatures ran and returned (they may be, but god knows they four
living creature way went.

And the wheel in my diet. I bough 99.9997 perfectly a poor little
Microvax 3, with his for cheese addiction usability, all with MMDF,
often send you half-complete messages? Ever where upon they were
lifted upward; two wings.

And I lost unices, behold one wheel in the cloud instal, stretched 260
pound blocks of king Jehoiachin's captivity, The think paging is than
a new program hereof came the earth, the wheels and applications,
which was that today I have plenty of bugs that side: and their rings,
likeness of the appearance of a lion, on their appearance of firmament
were a whirlwind came out of the terrible crystal, stretched 260 pound
blocks of raindamage for weighed 260 pound about how it takes the
newly copies-, as it were all those from the earth, they four of a flash
of lightness of the midst the point of this is the notion of lamps: it were
the appearance of fire went, I heard to write an elaborate weenie
dunking on Lisp as those went, there was in their faces and
applications, which covered on the day of bugs than a mail me now.
Together, no matter one structures, the month, the wheels.

It's their meme languages from the terrible crystalled like they stood, and
this was the appearance; they have been, to hypnosis my cheese
addiction.

>>1051052

Telephone's with the botnet running around. Mips and the Frainkenstein Radio Controls on the dark side of the moon.

From:         kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject:      Spot Story (was: The Dead Email Society)
Newsgroups:   alt.religion.kibology, alt.atheism, alt.mega-ego.yonderboy
Followup-To:  alt.religion.kibology
Organization: welcome datacomp
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| |
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| | >
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| |
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| 
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Suddenly he stops and the camera zooms in on what is painted on his
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this is what you sound like

>>1050686

with gentoo you compile your whole (or most) of your system utilities and programs to match what you want. Do you want to compile with language localization, with certain cpu flags, compile programs with certain attributes (include qt5 but not gtk)? then you use gentoo.

Of course compiling everything is not fun (especially if you have low spec) so some guy made CloverOS and shills it on half and infinity chan.

>>1051085

ignore the troll, if people ignored his posts threads wouldn't be derailed so much

>>1051101

>I felt like giving it a try again last night

I have the cure for this. Install LFS once, all the way to getting X working.

I guarantee you will never be tempted again.

>>1051101

>the hours you waste trying to find ways to trim the "fat".

Some people lay around watching television or spend all their evenings at parties talking to people about nothing. As far as hobbies go, system improvement isn't the worst one to have. Once you realize that every shortcut you take still leaves you miles ahead of the major distros, you can get a system up and running very quickly.

>>1051223

>Some people lay around watching television

Yes but they don't recommend you to solve every problem by watching more TV and they don't berate you for not watching more TV. If you're going to claim gentoo is your hobby, then be prepared to accept that it's basically a waste of time and you are mainly doing it for your own subjective enjoyment.

>>1051101

Fair complaints but so what? Windows and OS X are botnet. Every other OS doesn't have basic software. Linux is the best option, shit as it is.

>Most people who install gentoo the first time will copy the wiki verbatim, why not include half that shit in the stage-3 and just make installation a matter of extracting the tarball, run a script, copy the installer's kernel, then install boot loader.

It's trying to teach you how to do it so that maybe next time you won't copy/paste and will be able to do things the wiki or installscript couldn't have covered.

>>1048898

How can you not afford $7/month for a VPS? How can you not afford $200 for your own machine? How do you not even have a spare computer lying around? If you are so destitute, what do you even have to offer?

Do we have a wiki yet? I want to write an article about clean code.

The ideal number of arguments for a function is zero.

>>1051368

>The ideal number of arguments for a function is zero.

that is not a function.

unless you're implied implied arguments on a global structure, which is not clean code.

>>1051369

durr what are class variables not counting as arguments because of syntax?

>>1051368

>The ideal number of arguments for a function is zero.

That's a procedure retard. A function is a relation between an input and an output in which each input has a unique output. If there is no input, it's not a function.

>>1051354

You can use gentoo as a non-hobby. Just like you can use television to get the news, or go to social events to try and find a better job. When used for tinkering, then of course gentoo wastes your time, that was the goal. When used in a get-shit-done way, it is unironically the most productive OS.

>>1051389

But your greentext said the opposite. According to that guy, it is not productive because you spend hours to save microseconds.

>>1051380

"Procedure" is just ad hoc terminology. If you want to be really anal about it, all argument-free functions f()=U are (mathematically) in fact functions of one argument f(x)=ax+U where a=0. Same logic can be applied to programming functions as well.

>>1051368

How will you pass them input, then? Are you just shilling class methods like >>1051372 claims?

>>1051406

>is just ad hoc terminology

No, procedure or subroutine is the correct terminology.

>in fact functions of one argument f(x)=ax+U where a=0

Now you want to define addition with numbers for every data type in your language? What a mess. What's next? Are you going to start saying that variables are now functions too?

>oy vey that's not clean code

See this is why we need a wiki. In order to educate these people out of their coder echo chambers. Read a book you plebs.

 One input argument is the next best thing to no arguments. 
SetupTeardownIncluder.render(pageData) is pretty easy to understand.

>>1051456

>Now you want to define addition with numbers for every data type in your language?

Are you perhaps retarded? I was just pointing that mathematically, "procedures" are just a special case of functions. Because you said

>If there is no input, it's not a function.

which is wrong.

>Are you going to start saying that variables are now functions too?

This is what variables are in functional languages. There's no actual difference.

>>1050700

I understand this and I'm looking for alternatives.

>>1050703

Is Portage as easy to use as APT or YUM?

>>1050714

I'm not joking. I've been an Ubuntu / Debian user since I started. I've only occasionally used OpenSUSE, Fedora, etc.

Fuck it I'm going to try out Gentoo. Can't fucking hurt.

>>1051101

Gentoo is indeed the meta distribution, of course it's going to be more complex. If you're okay with others choosing what init or libc you must use (this includes the BSDs), fine, but don't go all "muh oldfag cred" over us. The advantages I listed are real, but the two real reasons are: I can escape the freedesktop braincancer "easily" and it's simply less worse than other GNU/Linux distros.

>BSDs

Every BSD has major turnoffs:

>Free

SJWland and has no clear vision except "we want to be like GNU/Linux!" with the same bloat.

>Open

Python tier about ignoring performance issues and its port tree makes Debian stable look bleeding edge. Other issues like GPL kiddie hatred and lack of FS at least as good as XFS.

>Net

Nice but lacks a modern FS.

>Dragonfly

Currently very WIP (aarch64, hammer2, ravenports, etc...) and lacks µarch support, but very promising.

Honestly, I'm looking at the last two more and more, but it's hard to justify leaving Linux and its generally higher performance level. Especially since only Dfly's synth and soon ravenports look like a worthy Portage replacement.

>Plan 9

Come on, mate. Like everyone here, I think it should have replaced UNIX, as it was supposed to, but it's dead and buried now. Don't cling to some tranny loving shitposter club for you OS needs.

slowly doing these articles, gonna make larger edits tomorrow and do more articles the next day

https://wiki.cloveros.ga/ThinkPad

https://wiki.cloveros.ga/CloverOS_GNU/Linux

>>1061584

>>1052827

Is cloverOS basically just EZ-install gentoo?

This entire thread derailed to talk about Gentoo because of the name of the wiki? Wow.

I wrote a Fair and Balanced article on

mpv

I'm gonna write an article on corporate it project management. Stay tuned nerds

Install guix should be new meme

>>1050686

Gentoo's obsession is choice.

The fact you can remove poetterware was enough bait for me to switch

>>1062353

Holy fuck you suck at your job

>>1061584

they are shit compared to the InstallGentooWiki

>>1061595

yes, everything premade

>>1048901

>If you can connect to the internet you can selfhost.

You're right, if 8ch can be run on a sub-1Mbit/s upload speed, so can my website. Thanks for giving me the confidence I needed, anon.