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 No.1036697>>1052858 >>1060016 >>1060055 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

What machine do you use, and what operating system is it running? I have Debian 8 Sid installed on my 15" PowerBook G4, and it's great.

Pic related

 No.1036704

OS is just a tool, you retard.


 No.1036709

>systemd

Into the trash


 No.1036712>>1036764 >>1036773 >>1036815

Is the anon with the Talos still here? I might have some money soon, considering getting a server


 No.1036764>>1036767 >>1036773 >>1060028 >>1060054 >>1060208

>>1036712

>Is the anon with the Talos still here? I might have some money soon, considering getting a server

Talos is shit. Better buy a few EOMA68 cards and make a cluster.

https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

Main dev is in touch with a company, that wants to make a rack with these cards. Also he develops Libre Risc-V processor that will eventually power EOMA68 compilant card too.

Don't buy a powerpc computer, IBM is a patent troll and botnet.


 No.1036767>>1036771 >>1036773

>>1036764

This post just made me want to but a talos even harder, if they enrage autists they must be doing something right


 No.1036771

>>1036767

>This post just made me want to but a talos even harder, if they enrage autists they must be doing something right

>This post just made me want to but a talos even harder

>but a talos even harder

What? You mean buy, or wtf?


 No.1036773>>1036777 >>1036783 >>1052859

>>1036764

>PowerBook G4

OP just a Apple yourself!

>>1036764

>ARM normalfag trash

We're talking about desktops here. Not phone games. Now leave.

>>1036712

>>1036767

Stop shilling overpriced Talos systems. Their price/performance is just laughable.

Let's talk about real alternatives:

* Elbrus from Russia

* Longsoon from China

* MIPS

* Spark

When will they make a competitive commercial one?


 No.1036777>>1036781

>>1036773

anything that is not x86/arm will be expensive


 No.1036781

>>1036777

>will be expensive

Of course there are high entry costs but with some state funding that could be bridged.


 No.1036783>>1036784 >>1036789 >>1036795

>>1036773

>ARM normalfag trash

>We're talking about desktops here. Not phone games. Now leave.

Tbh EOMA68-A20 card has more RAM than OP's PowerBook G4 and it is suitable for desktops and laptops. Also OP didn't mentioned that we're talking about desktops, he just said "What machine do you use".

>Let's talk about real alternatives:

>* Elbrus from Russia

>* Longsoon from China

>Russia

>China

You better stop shilling botnet.


 No.1036784

>>1036783

Didn't mention*


 No.1036789>>1036820

>>1036783

>better stop shilling botnet.

>USA is the only country not producing botnet, Goy!


 No.1036795>>1036820

>>1036783

>EOMA68-A20 card

It's a god damn ARM A20 btw and you can't add or remove RAM, nor does it have a single fucking PCIe slot to attach a GPU so I can connect my 3 monitors.

It's a fucking SoC not a desktop computer.


 No.1036813>>1036840

>Talos

Only when we get an alternative to OpenBSD's pozz.


 No.1036815>>1036829 >>1041866

>>1036712

The anon with the 2x18 core Talos with 256GB RAM here. Waiting for my Blackbird.

If you're in Europe there have been some Tyan POWER8 10-core rack mount servers up for sale on ebay for around 300 EUR each. No RAM or disk but still great systems for the price. Looks like they are out of stock right now but the seller has been putting them for sale in batches so there'll likely be more once he gets back next week.


 No.1036820>>1037506

>>1036789

>USA is the only country not producing botnet, Goy!

I don't live in nor like the USA

>>1036795

>It's a god damn ARM A20 btw and you can't add or remove RAM, nor does it have a single fucking PCIe slot to attach a GPU so I can connect my 3 monitors.

>It's a fucking SoC not a desktop computer.

PCIe and ATX are bloat. Why would you connect a proprietary GPU or extension card to your computer? If your intentions aren't to have computer system you can control, why would you use non-x86 system? Are you a botnet lover?


 No.1036829>>1041866

>>1036815

That's not a bad deal. For once I wish I was a Eurofag


 No.1036840>>1038170


 No.1036847

PPC Mac mini and G4 PB. I run NetBSD8 on both.


 No.1036870>>1037509

The CPU situation is total shit right now.

Intel failed to deliver hexchannel RAM outside of render farms, ARM on the desktop is just novelty repackaging of cell-phone shit, and Talos/Blackbird were obviously designed by someone who has never built an efficient high-performance computer. Hows that RAM/core-count working out? Oh you want a dual-socket mobo? Yeah, that costs as much as the highest-end CPU available.

Meanwhile the GPU game is also total shit. Look at nVidia: their highest-end consumer GPU is equipped with RTX *and* tensor cores. Lots of people want one or the other, but who the fuck wants *both* of those? Oh hey lemme spin down my TensowFlow, it's time for some Battlefield V.

Yeah I dunno. It's a fuckin weird time in hardware right now.

Sent from my iPhone


 No.1037506>>1037924

>>1036820

>bloat

>being upgradable is bloat

>having graphics is bloat

>dual core 1GHz 32-bit processor

Rasberry Pi 3B+ has a quad core 1.4GHz CPU and costs 35 bucks.

Why would I buy your shitPi in a fancy metal case?


 No.1037509

>>1036870

We'd need to build one processor for both graphics and normal calculation with many many countless cores who only know the very basics. It would be an infinitly scale-able endgame.


 No.1037798>>1037832 >>1037906

I'm planning on piecing together a new workstation soon. I know Intel and AMD are botnet, but I want something that can do some heavy lifting. What should I get? Also are dual socket boards something to seriously consider?


 No.1037832>>1037985

>>1037798

A talos if you have to network it, an amd system if you can airgap it


 No.1037839

>R300

ATi's finest hour. Funny how Apple marketing at the time was shitting on Intel integrated GPUs.


 No.1037906>>1037985

>>1037798

There's those Syshem76 machines that are marketed as "open source hardware", still uses x86 though. If you can get away with it definitely get a Talos


 No.1037924>>1037928

>>1037506

>Rasberry Pi 3B+ has a quad core 1.4GHz CPU and costs 35 bucks. Why would I buy your shitPi in a fancy metal case?

Raspberry Pi uses nonfree software to boot, EOMA68-A20 works fine without it. It is almost completely libre, including hardware schematics. Mali GPU driver is the problem, but it is not included at all and in the mean time there are reverse engenieering efforts, to replace Mali with Lima (free software diver). The creator of EOMA68 builds also his own, Risc-V based processor and GPU/VPU, that'll be completely libre.

I don't get it. Why do you use different than x86 processor, if it or company producing it is a botnet anyway?


 No.1037928>>1037931

>>1037924

>almost completely libre

>almost

So is the Pi.


 No.1037931>>1037946

>>1037928

A nonfree bootloader and GPU is much more worse than just a nonfree GPU you can disable.

EOMA68-Libre-Risc-V will be completely libre though.


 No.1037944

Oryx Pro 4, Pop!_OS


 No.1037946>>1037952

>>1037931

>nonfree GPU you can disable

With those awesome graphics what use cases would your EOMA fit that can't be completed in a more efficient manner?

>inb4 none but but but

I'm not shilling for this ARM shit. I think using a cellphone architecture for more than an office suit is a tiny bit stupid.

Are you sure your dual-core 1GHz ARMshit can even decode H264 10bit anime while running a wayland based compositor?


 No.1037952>>1038006 >>1038010

>>1037946

GPGPU offload with DMA between proccessor, GPU, and ram the entire time for a custom ASIC like function running on the GPU. You can't do that if you don't have assembler level access to the GPU instead of a abstracted chinkshit layer you get with AMD, newer intel, and newer nvidia shit. Sure you could use older cards and do the same with enough effort, but why not just customize everything hardware wise for better security at that point since you remain in control?

>Are you sure your dual-core 1GHz ARMshit

Don't use ARMshit you moron its fucking botnet. Use the libre risc-v proccessor when it comes out. I'm not even the same poster you have been replying too and you fail to see the benefits of FOSS and libre software and hardware.


 No.1037985>>1041867 >>1060018

>>1037832

>>1037906

Thanks. I'll start looking into Talos. How can System76 say open source hardware while using x86? Isn't that false advertising? Or are they talking about other hardware components?


 No.1038006>>1038012

>>1037952

are there any free gpus? the computer wont really be very useful if you have no way to see what you are doing on it. all the gpus i know require proprietary drivers/blobs/firmware to work


 No.1038010

>>1037952

>Don't use ARMshit you moron its fucking botnet. Use the libre risc-v proccessor when it comes out. I'm not even the same poster you have been replying too and you fail to see the benefits of FOSS and libre software and hardware.

Don't know who you're replying to, but I am buying EOMA68, just to support the standard and the guy, who creates libre risc-v. EOMA68-A20 is fine, because it is going to receive RYF certificate - it can work with only free software from the ground. Even the creator of EOMA68 knows, ARM is botnet, and he isn't going to support it for a long time. He just uses the cheapest and the most free-software-friendly SOC on the market.


 No.1038012>>1038013


 No.1038013>>1038018 >>1038062

>>1038012

>riscmeme

anything that i can buy right now? even some really old pci card is fine.. i just want to know if any such thing exists


 No.1038018

>>1038013

>anything that i can buy right now? even some really old pci card is fine.. i just want to know if any such thing exists

Check on h-node, it's repository of hardware, that works with free software.

https://h-node.org/


 No.1038062>>1038064

>>1038013

Any GPU supported by the r300 ATI driver for linux. Any gpu pre 900 GTX series for nvidia via nouveau on linux. Any pre skylake intel GPU with varying drivers. Slap a pci-e/pci slot and controller on the board and one of those GPU's and you are ready to go.

Things of note is that the hardware for those GPU's is not documented/libre. So if you wanted to make one yourself you are SOL. Another thing is that the PCI/e bus must support the electrical requirements for the GPU or your going to be frying some stuff. That and you can only use FOSS/libre drivers for them if you stick them in a OS with something like RISC-V or powerpc as the main proccessor. Also I am not aware of any open source designs for a PCI/E controller, the bus specification you can find on wikipedia though.


 No.1038064>>1038098 >>1041871

>>1038062

Actually I just remembered the talos 2 has pci-e slots so it surely has a open source controller too. You will have to dig into their documents to find it out though.


 No.1038098>>1041871

>>1038064

Talos II doesn't have a pcie controller/switch on the board - all of the slots are connected to the CPU(s) directly


 No.1038170

He think he meant FreeBSD >>1036840


 No.1041866

>>1036815

>>1036829

Watch out for the power delivery though, part of the power supply is on the mainboard and has bad caps:

https://twitter.com/WingarScarlett/status/1103421202310164480


 No.1041867

>>1037985

The case and an IO board is what the claim as open hardware. To me that's like selling a lollipop and only doing quality control on the stick and the wrapper.

AFAIK, Sys76 doesn't even run coreboot; though they may use me_cleaner now? I forget.


 No.1041871

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>>1038064

>>1038098

Yup, PCIe goes directly to the CPU.

I remember reading somewhere that the CPU is limited to 6 endpoints. You can see from the diagram why that becomes a problem with the single socket variants:

1. x16 slot

2. x8 slot

3. storage controller

4. USB controller

5. NIC

6. BMC (also acts as 2D GPU)


 No.1052817>>1052839 >>1052840 >>1052853 >>1052868

Reposting here because I'm about to get buried in the support thread. And our old ppc thread is gone.

I have a iMac g5 that I don't have the case or screen to but would want to power up via an adapter to another monitor. I don't have the case so when I hit the power button it doesn't do anything. Does anyone know what I would need to do to get it to power up? I'm thinking of putting it in a old oversized compaq pc case I have from the 90's. On this note is it possible to replace the power supply with something else more convenient so that I can use the power button inside the Compaq case as the way to power it on. Or how to replicate the back panel so I can power it up.


 No.1052839>>1052853

>>1052817

Any idea which version you have?

Everymac splits it into

1st gen - original

2nd gen - Ambient Light Sensor (ALS)

3rd gen - iSight

With comparison pages here:

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/faq_g5/differences-between-original-imac-g5-models.html

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/faq_g5/differences-between-imac-g5-ambient-light-sensor.html

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/faq_g5/differences-between-imac-g5-isight-models.html

Note that you could also have the stripped down 1st gen model that was made for schools:

https://www.macworld.com/article/1039594/schoolmacs.html

>includes a significantly lower-powered video card (the Nvidia GeForce4 MX with 32MB of virtual RAM, as opposed to the Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra with 64MB) >and a 40GB hard drive, half the standard 80GB hard drive.

>Even more noteworthy, it ships with no optical drive.

Everymac doesn't mention this variant


 No.1052840

>>1052817

You can always solder a different PSU in. It's probably a jumper somewhere that the case would've had a header for that needs to be set. As for the monitor, figure out if the panel was analog or digital, then slap a new one in.


 No.1052848>>1052904

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Clown world honk honk


 No.1052853>>1055917

>>1052817

>>1052839

Here's a magic decoder ring:

Model A1058 (EMC 1989) - PowerMac8,1  - 1st Gen 17" (configs: M9248LL/A, M9249LL/A)
Model A1058 (EMC 2055) - PowerMac8,2 - 2nd Gen 17" (configs: M9843LL/A, M9844LL/A)
Model A1076 (EMC 2008) - PowerMac8,1 - 1st Gen 20" (configs: M9250LL/A)
Model A1076 (EMC 2056) - PowerMac8,2 - 2nd Gen 20" (configs: M9845LL/A)
Model A1144 (EMC 2081) - PowerMac12,1 - 3rd Gen 17" (configs: MA063LL/A)
Model A1145 (EMC 2082) - PowerMac12,1 - 3rd Gen 20" (configs: MA064LL/A)


 No.1052857>>1052860 >>1052865

I have Power Mac G5 dual-core 2.3GHz and I've tried to install linux on it many times. Mostly debian or gentoo. I can't run X because stupid graphics card nouveau problems, it just won't work. Basically the machine is useless for me at the moment, I could run some server on it but there's no point since the performance is very poor.


 No.1052858

>>1036697 (OP)

just a normal computer. everything else is too expensive or hard to get


 No.1052859

>>1036773

its not an alternative if it does not even exist


 No.1052860>>1052879

>>1052857

Stop trying to use composite graphics and install a proper WM that isn't full of bloat.


 No.1052865

>>1052857

>I can't run X because stupid graphics card nouveau problems

So, you have a 1st gen with a 5200 Ultra, right?

That should be codename NV34;

so NV30 in the feature matrix: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/

and VPE2 in the video accel matrix: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/VideoAcceleration/

all in all, support doesn't look that bad; maybe there's an endian-ness problem?

Some idiot might have written driver code assuming that only Little Endian exists.


 No.1052868>>1055576

>>1052817

I've been doing some looking around, and I don't see anything about a secret switch for case-is-open or missing-display.

I have seen mention of PSU and capacitor issues, are you sure it's a case problem? If so how?

Could you include pictures so we can see the board in question?


 No.1052879>>1052884

>>1052860

the real bloat is x itself not the tiny wms


 No.1052884>>1052893

>>1052879

The real bloat is your ass because you're fat.


 No.1052893>>1052897

>>1052884

ok. you can now go back to /g/ or reddit with those boring memes.


 No.1052897

>>1052893

Why don't I just go back into your ass? That's where I got them from.


 No.1052904>>1052905

>>1052848

Have you used the FireWire/IEEE1394a much?

It was pretty much the Thunderbolt of the 90s; even had daisy-chaining IIRC.


 No.1052905

>>1052904

No I haven't but I have the kernel drivers installed so I could use it if I wanted to.


 No.1052906>>1052972

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Got the SSD adapter for my IDE drive in the Mac Mini, M.2 SATA SSD to IDE because sure why not. Pulls about 171MB/s with 16k blocksizes


 No.1052972

>>1052906

nice.

Looks pretty simple,

JM20330 - SATA bridge

HS1084S2-3.3 is a voltage regulator (I think)

Doesn't look like JMicron sells the JM20330 anymore, the current equivalent would probably be a JMH330/S

http://www.jmicron.com/product0206.html


 No.1055576>>1055917

>>1052868

I figured out the power issue, I just use a penny and a rubber glove to press the pinbutton down so I complete the circuit and it powers up. Now I just have to figure out how to get the display port working since I've plugged it into several different monitors but nothing. It boots up, I hear the *dong but it doesn't output a signal signal. I'm going to try an adapter of usb to hdmi next and see how that goes.

Does anyone know if its possible to use a non-apple power supply with this machine? Because I intend to eventually migrate it into the Compaq case at some point so I'm not using pennies as power buttons.


 No.1055917

>>1055576

Can you take some pictures? of the pinbutton, PSU.

Might also help to see what kind of wires run from PSU to mainboard.

I mean, we don't even know which model you have >>1052853

https://www.ifixit.com/Device/iMac_G5


 No.1060015

Has anyone else tried Debian Sid? Most of the precompiled packages work great, aside from 3D games.


 No.1060016>>1060024

>>1036697 (OP)

Literally why run PowerPC in the current year. Just use core2duo if you want botnet free CPU.


 No.1060018>>1060021

>>1037985

Certain AMD server chips are fully compatible with Libreboot and a a lot cheaper than Talos. Look into that too.


 No.1060021

>>1060018

You're limited to the Asus KGPE-D16 motherboard, to my knowledge. They're fucking expensive, considering how old they are.


 No.1060024>>1060111 >>1060116

>>1060016

>why powerpc

Powerpc, the older varients like that found in powermac g5's, is not vulnerable to any of the specter hardware bugs as it does not have speculative execution. Meanwhile the core2duo, or any x86 cpu for that matter, always have speculative execution which means being vulnerable to specter.


 No.1060026

I'm running a Proxmox hypervisor (Debian-based) which also has ZFS on Linux. Hardware is dual processor Xeon E5-2690V4, 128GB ECC Ram. I'm running various application servers, and I can provision virtual machines in about 30 seconds, so I'm not bothering with Docker.


 No.1060028>>1060043

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>>1036764

Love my Blackbird. Super fast. Ignore @1036764

He's sounds like a mighty faggot. Anyone with half a brain knows he's a kike SJW. He's been funneling shekels out EOMA68 into a sustainable energy product he's also doing. The whole thing is basically a sham and stillbirth.


 No.1060043

>>1060028

Do you love your pozz powered OpenBMC made by Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Intel and IBM? Intel's ME look meek compared to this shit.

>https://github.com/openbmc/docs/blob/master/README.md

>Technical Steering Committee

>Brad Bishop (chair), IBM

>Nancy Yuen, Google

>Sai Dasari, Facebook

>James Mihm, Intel

>Ali Larijani, Microsoft

>Supreeth Venkatesh, Arm


 No.1060050

@1060043

Average kikecuck still ignoring my argument. Laughable. Sounds like a YUGE unicucks weenie. Did your hydrogen pipe dream fail on you yet?

Hint Hint: EOGRIDS uses chinese's backdoored all-winner SoC's


 No.1060054

>>1036764

>I want this one, single powerful computer

<no, buy a bunch of these shitty computers!


 No.1060055

>>1036697 (OP)

Where can I get a charger for the PB5? I got one from my grandma recently, but my puppy chewed through the charger.


 No.1060109>>1060230

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>not using a Nintendo Wii


 No.1060111>>1060119

>>1060024

Some x86 CPUs are so old that they are immune to speculative execution bugs. But you would need to go into the original Pentium and earlier to avoid the (((unique id))) (((intel))) put on every CPU past the Pentium II.


 No.1060116>>1060122


 No.1060119

>>1060111

Rocking a Intel D510mo (Atom) board atm, flashed to coreboot, Gentoo Hardened Libressl, feels good man.


 No.1060122

>>1060116

>only post G5 CPU's affected

lol ok l i b t a r d


 No.1060208

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>>1036764

anon why would you buy a cluster for everyday use? you do realize cluster computing is for niche applications, right?


 No.1060230

>>1060109

>2008-06-17


 No.1065168>>1065233

Raptor Blackbird is shipping.

$999 motherboard

$1279 motherboard + 4 core POWER9

$1605 motherboard + 8 core POWER9

https://www.raptorcs.com/content/base/products.html


 No.1065177

I wish I had a PowerPC machine to run classic Mac OS.


 No.1065233>>1065346

>>1065168

but does it fit in a standard atx case and is it compatible with normal pc parts like my existing psu


 No.1065346

>>1065233

Blackbird µATX

Talos EATX

It will take a standard ATX power supply with 2 x 4 pin EPS. 650w PSU might be okay for blackbird, but I would get 1000w+ for a dual socket Talos.

I don't think onboard audio will work with open drivers, but AMD Radeon HD 5850 and 7950 HDMI audio works and you'll want a discreet GPU anyway.

https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Main_Page




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