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What makes OEMs choose intel over AMD? Surely the rare customer who cares about what CPU they have is already building their own machine. With AMD offering same performance for much lower price, why wouldn't an OEM elect to go with them to cut costs?

>>1020193

Intel giving them (((kickbacks))) in exchange for not selling AMD.

>>1020193

Marketing.

I used to work at a normie electronics store and sell computers. Everyone would look for the Intel sticker. Deciding which computer they thought was better would usually boil down to which computer had the bigger number after the letter i on it. Some also looked at the RAM, more equals faster after all.

I even tried to sell some people on computers with AMD CPUs and they wouldn't even consider it because they thought Intel was better. Trying to convince them that a computer with an SSD would be faster than a computer with a hard drive was fucking impossible. Then they would buy the piece of shit with a hard drive and some retarded anti virus, and then return it the next week because it was too slow.

>>1020239

Why not have benchmark programs running on the computers you wish to sell? Why would some normalfag off the street believe you over the Intel advertising he's seen? You're just the minimum wage guy working in a store, Intel have space suits! The best approach would have been for you to ask them what they use it for and show them a benchmark that is relevant. Proving that an SSD is faster than a mechanical drive should have been an easy endeavour, even for a nigger.

>>1020240

>Why not have benchmark programs running on the computers you wish to sell?

It was at Staples, and the computers were all locked down to shit, so even if we wanted to we couldn't.

>>1020248

Nothing personal, but most people are going to assume you're retarded owing to previous experience of Staples employees. On the rare occasion I go, it's always staffed with Pajeets trying to sell me the Staples Generic printer ink. "It's just INK guy! Don't pay rip off prices, INK is INK!" That would be nice if it were true, but they don't always get the electrical properties right and you end up with a shitty print-head. I bought their generic once and it leaked everywhere.

>>1020267

They do that with textbooks too. In America, an engineering book might retail for $250, and $20 in India. Granted, it might be in black and white, and use shittier paper.

>SOUTH EAST ASIA EDITION: NOT FOR RESALE

>>1020278

>>ink

>using bubble jet

Get a laser printer like a proper white man. Inkjet is complete judaism.

>>1020283

I have one, even though I rarely need to use it. The inkjet in question was for family. I think the fad fizzled out, but 3D printer filament is another nice attempt at a jewish trick.

>>1020278

Fair criticism, no offense taken. I only took the job because it paid better then the other places that had offered me a job. With like one exception everyone was an incompetent moron who just made shit up. I've moved on from the job anyway, couldn't put up with their shit after a while.

If you don't mind me asking, what country was that in? I worked in the US and they didn't sell generic ink, but would tell us to fearmonger customers away from buying cheaper cartridges elsewhere.

>>1020283

>not getting a CIS system with alternative ink for your cheapo subsidized inkjet to stick it to the kikes

Best part is it's even cheaper than alternative toner and you get color. Only downside is you have to print regularly or ink will dry up.

>>1020240

>benchmark scores as a measure of real-world performance

it's the GHz myth all over again.

>>1020308

Canuckistan. For some reason Staples is always crawling with slimy Pajeets. To be fair though, you don't really see many white faces working in Canadian big-box stores.

>>1020239

The absolute state of normies trying to tech. Sad.

>>1020240

Normalfags don't even have the brain capacity to comprehend what benchmarks are. And besides, they love to feel like they know more than the sales rep, so they wouldn't listen to you anyways.

>>1020267

>>1020279

>region locking now for physical goods

fuck this gay earth

>>1020325

What do you print if you have nothing to print? Pics of your waifu? Must be comfy.

>>1020325

>benchmark scores as a measure of real-world performance

You must have missed the part where I said to supply them a benchmark that is relevant. The most ideal benchmark you can name is actually the software you intend to run on the machine.

Staples, Office Depot, all those stores are comically/cosmically overpriced. There's no reason for them to exist. You only go there if you're on an absolute work deadline.

They're just like North Korean department stores fully stocked with goods that nobody is allowed to buy, just to look good for western cameras.

Avoid Dell computers, that's all I'm saying. Michael bumped his head so many times under the Intel CEO's desk that he wears a hard hat now.

>>1020330

So, what, show them which machine loads Facebook faster? Shame that 90% of computing power is absolutely fucking wasted when the average cell phone is more powerful than what the majority of the market needs.

>>1020357

Then you'd sell them an i5 or whatever AMD have these days that is power efficient. As for the cell phones, they're actually running a lot of complex computations in the hands of a normie. Whether we like it or not, those selfie image processing tools and realtime filters are serious business. It's actually comical to think about the vast white-man-hours of hardware/software engineering that were poured into the effort of turning Da'Quan into a talking real-time animated monkey as he makes a facetime call to Dontravious. Marvellous. Just White Man's Burden things.

Newsflash: My next processor may be AMD only

Do not listen to blatant AMD forum shills, AMD64 and i386 do not deserve your money. Try another architecture for once, or god forbid, go outside.

>>1020279

All tech books are overpriced as fuck, I can buy 1000 page philosophy book for <10e but every computers related book is over 25e, most above 50e. Fucking copyright mafia forces me to read pdf's even though reading physical books is better experience.

>>1020595

True, if you care about Intel's bs enough not to buy their chips you should not settle for AMD.

>>1020598

That's just the way things are for state of the art tech. Philosophy doesn't change quickly and has been around for centuries while fad tech can last for 4 years.

>>1020636

>Philosophy doesn't change quickly and has been around for centuries while fad tech can last for 4 years.

Also unlike learning a new piece of tech most people don't read philosophy to make money.

it's because they already have tech 500 years ahead of us but just want to slowly leech as many soybucks from retarded goombers as possible before the masses catch on to their bullshit

>>1020595

AMD64 is x86_64 you dumbfuck

>>1020698

I think you're the dumbfuck, not anon. He precisely used the µarch names.

>>1020698

>x86_64

i386 is a version/instruction set of x86 32-bit and a subset of the following x86 versions because otherwise they wouldn't have that endless backwards comparability and you wouldn't be able to run MS-DOS era Windows code on it.

>>1020328

>fuck this gay earth

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Moore was right after all. Silicon was never meant to clock-at these naive frequencies. It is just a matter of time when both the newer gen intel & amd chips starts falling apart due to extreme clock speeds & cramped-up transistor count.

>>1020267

>Be me

>My friends $400 video card broken

>Common fault. The under specced DC-DC converters have died.

>They are $40 each in digikey.

>He buys some direct from china, Ten of them for $5 including postage.

>Surely They are never gonna work

>I put them on for him

>1 year later they are still going strong

>>1022437

>kiked american retail stores rip you off

>based chinks sell things at market value

More news at 11

>>1020338

Non-mutilated men don't need lotion to fap.

>>1022459

This was a premium chip by a US company. The chinks were selling it for way below market value.

Presumably they have chips coming out of the front door of the factory that are sold through the official channels. And chips coming out of the back door that are sold in China which dont have any of the development costs factored in to the price.

Protip for International Rectifier: if you dont want the chinks to copy your shit make it in your own country you lazy traitorous scumbags.

It's because they only have 50,000 of them. They're losing to AMD fucking hard, and they can only cash out on their extremely jewish tricks once more, because once the lid's blown open, their PR will be fucking worthless.

>>1022465

>chips coming out of the front door ... chips coming out of the back door

Yes, this is a big problem people always had with manufacturing in chinkland. They fulfill your order, then just run the factory some more to make some shit for themselves, and sell it. No need to pay you licensing fees or anything beyond the cost of materials of course.

Also sometimes the chips (or other goods) coming out the back door are actually the ones that failed QC. And sometimes they just sell or steal the process and make a clone factory somewhere else to make the same thing. It's like piracy for physical goods.

Redpill on the future of chips: i686 will continue as long as embedded manufacturers need it, x86_64 will be the main desktop arc until we get better bandwith on our motherboards, arm will always be an apple-nvidia-cia operation, risc-v will be interesting but unlikely to change the desktop world, anything else is a meme(except ppc64, but only BIGCORP uses that)

>>1022586

In a few years, that that last tweet will be considered prophetic.

>>1020187 (OP)

I read it ... but I don't understand it.

Is this for, like, cray machines or one-off prototypes?

It's not like I'm going to join the auction, right?

>>1020267

>this is for the same reason a chip, the same, will be sold a certain price in china, a different price in India, yet another price in the US or Europe.

< #the_price_the_(individual)_market_will_bear

But to prevent international transfers, they make it somehow magically illegal to buy from someone outside your designated zone.

The MPAA and RIAA have been doing this for two decades now and use faux economics to justify their actions

>>1020193

AMD performs like shit. You can't even run emulators at full speed on AMD.

>>1022711

Yeah AMD is total garbage it's why Intel is working so hard to make such a great CPU that it can only be sold in auction in extremely limited quantities after a decade of selling quad cores CPUs for $300+. Ryzen is horrible but after all this time of Intel charging people the same amount of money for a 5% performance increase and the same amount of cores for 10 generations of CPU they finally decided to randomly add more cores for the same price! Intel truly is our greatest ally!

>>1020239

>convince them that a computer with an SSD would be faster than a computer with a hard drive was fucking impossible.

The ssd will destroy all their data if they unplug the machine.

>>1020267

>same for software, its prices varies where you live but as an American it's made "illegal" to buy something on a country it's sold cheaper.

America also made it illegal to marry little girls.

>>1022607

>Also sometimes the chips (or other goods) coming out the back door are actually the ones that failed QC. And sometimes they just sell or steal the process and make a clone factory somewhere else to make the same thing. It's like piracy for physical goods.

History of the USA during the industrial revolution. You people are morons.

>>1020208

in the past yes, they've tried to do a lot of ultra integrated shit lately. Like its very hard to get a low end Atom with a PCI-E slot you can actually use. Its part of the reason they were basically offering Atom low end chips for free. Their latest shit is integrating WiFi onto the cpus so its going to be a little harder for AMD to offer parity without an added cost / complexity.

>>1020193

Right now OEMs and server builders want AMD because its got the core count Intel isn't delivering in power envelopes Intel isn't delivering and most importantly now meltdown and spectre spooked an awful lot of companies that depend on cpus being secure. Not like "oh they leaking data" more like "they have our financial trading program and are making money" sorta stuff.

>>1022887

>Right now OEMs and server builders want AMD because its got the core count Intel isn't delivering in power envelopes Intel isn't delivering

The AMD CPUs also have far more PCIe lanes which for applications where work is being offloaded to an accelerator such as a GPU or FPGA, or in applications where you need lots of high bandwidth storage and networking to match, when the Epyc CPUs blow away anything you can cobble together with Xeon's.

>They've officially lost their fucking minds.

So I see this is your first time witnessing a corporate hype stunt.

<Selling better hardware to better buyers is unprecedented!

It's actually the continuous norm since the dawn of history. You put one grade of products on the store shelf and another grade of similar products on a top secret cable to trusted officials. The public doesn't hear about the second type because military grade electronics aren't nearly as powerful as the fantasy shit they announce in magazines to get attention.

One million x86 chips starting bid at 299 each...

250? 200? any bids? 5$ and a handjob?

>>1022607

>sometimes the chips (or other goods) coming out the back door are actually the ones that failed QC.

Hmm I should go work in a Ferrari factory

Oops this car "failed QC" guess I'll go "get rid of it"

>>1024013

You would just replace the part on that car that failed QC.

Cant do that on a chip die.

>>1022854

Damn prude 'murica.

>>1024314

You're literally fucking retarded. He implied that not all chips that fail QC actually "fail QC".

honestly, a company of that size and heritage cucking out to 'feminist frequency' said more than any of this ever could

>>1024462

You would have no idea if they passed or failed.

The ones coming out of the back door in China dont even go through QC.