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 No.1011600>>1011628 >>1011790 >>1011909 >>1012024 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Are laptops part of the pc master race ?

 No.1011606

Thinkpads and other business-class laptops sure, new tablet-syle and gaymen laptops not so much.


 No.1011628

>>1011600 (OP)

>pc master race

>>>/reddit/


 No.1011637>>1011671

speaking of laptops, has anyone here ever tried replacing laptop thermal paste with liquid metal in order to reduce temps?


 No.1011671

>>1011637

Done plenty of times, it'll eat into the copper over time though.


 No.1011790>>1011835 >>1011909

>>1011600 (OP)

>limited video card space and size

>Limited customization options

>generally less energy use which equals less power

>limited screen size

>overheating issues for most laptops

>fewer bells and whistles and plugs for aforementioned bells and whistles

>comparatively low maximum load and upgradability

>built in webcams

>cant move keyboard to a different position for comfort

>commonly overpriced

>somehow the "cream of the crop" of the master-race

now i'm not shitting on laptops but they have their limits. in comparison to a console it is higher than a ps2 and slightly lower than a ps3.

they still have their own qualities and attributes which they often excel in, however for pure power and ability they are no match for a quality tower pc.

but they are certainly nothing to be shunned, especially if your a poorfag and just want to watch porn and go on the chans. for anything of higher capability, go with a tower.


 No.1011797

High-end laptops cost much more than a desktop with equivalent specs, and offer almost no room for upgrading. So in many cases it makes more sense to have a badass rig at home and a modest laptop for when you can't help but get dragged outside, where the sun burns your skin and blinds your eyes, it burns us, precious, it buuuurns.


 No.1011835>>1011881

They have a lot of drawbacks:

>can't upgrade

>hard to customize when buying

>many are very poor quality (as is to be expected from prebuilts)

>poor performance because parts must be small and light

>diminishing returns from higher end parts because of poor airflow

>costs more than a desktop

>historically poor linux compatibility

>batteries don't actually last enough for anything so they're a meme, you always end up hooking it up anyway

A lot of these things are also deliberate decisions by companies, because they like to focus on clueless normies as an audience and expect power users to just shut up and take it. For example decent external GPUs could easily be made, but the market is dumb and companies don't bother.

The main benefits are that they are portable and take less space, but a powerful laptop will actually be too heavy to carry much, and it's uncomfortable to use a laptop so you would get keyboard, mouse and monitor anyway. Thus the benefits don't really work out, while the cons will usually bite you hard.

I think the sensible uses for a laptop is when:

>you want to have a machine at work that you control

>you travel often

>you have highly mobile job, like it technicians that must go on site, or businessman that must meet people at their offices

>you are a poverty-tier peasant who has no space at home for a laptop or no home at all

>you need to wardrive for internet (even then, in car desktop mods are nice)

So I'd say in this context they are part of master race. Outside of these, laptops are kind of bad. For gaming especially, it is something you do for a long time, so comfort is an issue, and if you've left the house in the first place why bother playing games instead of doing whatever you went outside to do? Not to mention the performance issue (but old games are a different matter). Even for gaming events, it's often better to just bring your case.

>>1011790

How come modding to disable the cam isn't more common? It seems like it would be easy to just snip the wire, but I don't know how hard it is to open that panel. Guess it's unnecessary when you can just do le strip of tape.

I'm also surprised at the rarity of camless laptops. While many thots cam on their laptops, a lot of people don't. For the occasional skype call you could just have an external webcam, or just use phone. You would think that with desktops you have the same use case of camming/video chat but monitors with integrated cameras are really uncommon.


 No.1011875

I have both a basic Linux laptop for everyday tasks and a gaming rig for vidya only.


 No.1011881>>1011886

PC mustard rice is the gaymen.

>playing gaymes on your mom's basement / dad attic

>not gay

It's literally the retards.

>>1011835

@desktopfags

>They have a lot of drawbacks:

>can't upgrade

eGPU. Can't upgrade CPU but you can resell a used laptop at a better price point or send them to an official refurbisher

>hard to customize when buying

<doesn't know the countless versions available

good luck customizing your trashtop and then invoking your warranty once it doesn't "do the LED (tm)"

either way your, socket is gonna be obsolete in after a few years.

>many are very poor quality (as is to be expected from prebuilts)

Depends if you're buying HP "housefire" or Asus trash (literally people buy this?). Acer and Lenovo is the king right now and I'm not talking about that "plastic feel" or "gaymer lgbtwifi rainbow design" when I say quality. They certainly last long used as a travel device. If not, you're just unlucky.

<inb4 muh metal chassis quality

So tell me more about your back pain or your luggage.

>poor performance because parts must be small and light

efficiency =/= performance

Actually, it's the small/portable form factor that only matters when it comes to advancing general consumer technology.

Desktops are trash when there's existing super computers and clusters out there. Desktops are only meant as Multimedia entertainment which the consoles and high-end audio player can do right now. Maybe if you do poojet programming it will but definitely not as most programmers don't need high-end and only uses their companies' workstations or build systems and work laptops for such job.

Smaller form factor promotes low TDP/performance which has (if not potential, ready for) REAL WORLD USE not just time-waster gaming that doesn't do anything with our economy.

>diminishing returns from higher end parts because of poor airflow

Airflow is a thing of the past. What once was a 2008 desktop can run today with just passive cooling and even more efficient. You're just scared of mobile technology surpassing your basement station.

>costs more than a desktop

False. Desktops cost more. GPU prices keep on getting higher thanks to miner shits. Would you look at that overpriced low frequency non-ECC gaming RAM? LOL and that trash RGBT mechanical keyboard. Fucking 10-8ms response time. Or even that shit tracking mouse that uses your precious CPU only to interpolate that slow and gapped raw sampling.

>historically poor linux compatibility

True but you could get a laptop designed for Red Hat like Lenovo.

>batteries don't actually last enough for anything so they're a meme, you always end up hooking it up anyway

18650, screwdrivers, multimeter if you don't plan to take that with you on the airport. Battery replacements are cheap and come in handy when you don't want that circuit breaker tripping and possibly crashing either your NAND/HDD drive or at best only eating all of your precious write-cache/buffered data that's supposed to write after a clean shutdown. Most batteries fucking up is the user's fault for not allowing the power supply to cool thus passes the heat over the batteries reducing it's life span.


 No.1011886>>1011904

>>1011881

>eGPU.

Not really portable anymore.

>Can't upgrade CPU but you can resell a used laptop at a better price point or send them to an official refurbisher

No way.

<doesn't know the countless versions available

Like the ones with AMD CPUs, right? The choice is ridiculously small.

>good luck customizing your trashtop and then invoking your warranty once it doesn't "do the LED (tm)"

Are you implying prebuilt?

>either way your, socket is gonna be obsolete in after a few years.

t. Intel-aviv drone

>many are very poor quality (as is to be expected from prebuilts)

Looks like you're indeed implying prebuild

>Depends if you're buying HP "housefire" or Asus trash (literally people buy this?). Acer and Lenovo is the king right now and I'm not talking about that "plastic feel" or "gaymer lgbtwifi rainbow design" when I say quality. They certainly last long used as a travel device. If not, you're just unlucky.

Call me when you find a modern laptop without a gay chiclet keyboard. Protip: the last laptop like this is the Dell Latitude e6440 (that I have).

>So tell me more about your back pain or your luggage.

t. gainlet

>efficiency =/= performance

Nobody implied the contrary. Performances are bad.

>Actually, it's the small/portable form factor that only matters when it comes to advancing general consumer technology.

That's because consumer technology isn't about technological progress.

>Desktops are only meant as Multimedia entertainment

s/ entertainment//

If you do any audio/video/image processing, you'll welcome power and moarcores.

>Smaller form factor promotes low TDP/performance which has (if not potential, ready for) REAL WORLD USE not just time-waster gaming that doesn't do anything with our economy.

More projection.

>Airflow is a thing of the past. What once was a 2008 desktop can run today with just passive cooling and even more efficient. You're just scared of mobile technology surpassing your basement station.

Are you retarded? That's obviously wrong if you don't undervolt. Also, it doesn't change the fact that on non gaymer laptops, airflow is the thermal bottleneck.

>False. Desktops cost more. GPU prices keep on getting higher thanks to miner shits. Would you look at that overpriced low frequency non-ECC gaming RAM? LOL and that trash RGBT mechanical keyboard. Fucking 10-8ms response time. Or even that shit tracking mouse that uses your precious CPU only to interpolate that slow and gapped raw sampling.

Anon obviously meant that it costs more for the same specs (it does).

tl;dr 1/10, bait harder and better


 No.1011904>>1011933


 No.1011906

Unless you're comparing overrated and overpriced gaming laptops with only 1060s.

There's originPC and others that can get you a SLI for less price than desktop and without the mess from circuit breaker trip (or get a UPS battery for that desktop LOL)


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>>1011600 (OP)

No, they are a ploy to protect the profit margins of the computer industry, much like cellphones & tablets.

Not because of anything necessarily inherent to the laptop form factor, but because they only exist as prebuilts using mostly or entirely proprietary components, rather than using fully standardized components.

What distinguishes PCs, actual desktop PCs, from other computing devices, is their ability to be freely assembled, repaired, upgraded, and cannibalized for parts. Not just that, but the wide compatibility of parts granted by the design of standard form factors to accommodate smaller parts using the same standard within larger units. Even prebuilt desktops benefit from this, as it increases resale value of old units, makes MSRP more transparent based on specs, and lowers barriers to entry, all of which drive down profit margins and save consumers money.

Imagine for a moment if modern laptops were just a tiny bit bulkier to accommodate standardization and easy end-user serviceability. Very much like the desktop ATX/ITX standards, laptop bottoms, keyboards, trackpads, lids, display panels, backlights, speakers, DC-DC PSUs, motherboards, drives, batteries, etc., were all standardized for approximately the same size of laptop between brands and models.

Such standardization actually does exist to an extent, such as Intel's Common Building Blocks (CBB) standards, but carefully constrained so as to simultaneously grant manufacturers economies of scale, yet be sufficiently lacking in interoperability to prevent parts from being user-exchangable.

>>1011790

>overheating issues

Has anybody tried a liquid cooling system that spans the hinge to use the lid as a giant cooling fin? All I can remember is a heatpipe-based one that didn't even include a very large radiator.


 No.1011915

>not having a desktop and a laptop


 No.1011933>>1011940 >>1011950

>>1011904

>comparing a 15W always throttling U CPU with a desktop i5

>sound card and NIC when the motherboard already have them

Are you implying these are the same? You clearly don't know shit about hardware.

And as said, only mobile workstations have a good enough cooling for the part specs to matter.


 No.1011940>>1011950 >>1011967

>>1011933

I'm not the person you're responding to, but you're missing the point of a laptop if you think it's all about performance

you're not going to lug a desktop to a hackathon or meetup, but you can take a laptop very easily, as long as it's not some autistic gaymer laptop that weighs a billion pounds and looks embarrassing

if you never leave the house, a desktop is fine

but if you go outside, you need a laptop


 No.1011950

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>>1011933

Also:

>comparing 4-core with 6-core

>15" vs. 21" monitor

>cooler and paste when the CPU he picked comes with a cooler and pad

>strange mix of high and low end parts, none of them the cheapest for their specs

>included something as strange as wireless, but didn't notice the DVD-RW

10/10 bait

>>1011940

The point was that suggesting you can get equivalent performance in a laptop at anywhere near the same price is laughable. Portability costs money, especially since laptops are sealed, taped, glued, and soldered shut now.

Best approach is to get the weakest laptop you can stand for whatever you do with a laptop, and spend the savings on a desktop that obliterates it in terms of specs.


 No.1011967

>>1011940

The point was that spec for spec (or at least comparable specs) laptops are pricier.


 No.1012024

>>1011600 (OP)

>MSI




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