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sounds like you're confusing 'internet' and 'web'

SSH is not web

>SSH BBS

Every one I've tried is absolute garbage. EMail is the only suitable medium for forums.

>>1011571

A BBS isn't just a forum, dumbass. WHere do you people even come from?

>>1011577

Elaborate then, what is a BBS if not just a forum?

Does it need to exclusively serve plain text?

Does it need to host its own file server?

Does it need a cool landing page with ANSI music and animation?

None of those things are right.

>>1011577

>bulletin board system

>not a forum

interesting. please tell me more

>>1011518 (OP)

>XMPP

>clean solution

Opinion discarded.

>>1011518 (OP)

Usenet isn't meant for file transfer, so please don't just use it as a base to dump your binaries. DCC (if that's what you meant when you were talking about IRC) is also unnecessary as a file transfer protocol when you can just encode the files as text and send them over the network.

>>1011518 (OP)

How is HTTP a bigger mess than anything else you mentioned?

>>1011588

> Usenet isn't meant for file transfer, so please don't just use it as a base to dump your binarie.

But there's alt.binaries groups just for that!

> DCC (if that's what you meant when you were talking about IRC) is also unnecessary as a file transfer protocol when you can just encode the files as text and send them over the network.

Well he can post them on Usenet, since they're just encoded with uuencode, base64, or yEnc. But there's a delay. DCC is immediate and I think(?) it's pure binary, so it saves not only your bandwidth but also doesn't get propagated to all Usenet servers (which may or may not be desired).

>>1011589

He's referring to the world wide web (this uses the HTTP as the base protocol) which he considers to be a big mess.

>>1011602

Baitmaster here.

Nigger, we're using a Web BBS RIGHT NOW. One of the "floating" style varieties to be particular. I don't deny that text shells are a generally much cooler and convenient medium for them, but you can't make the phrase "Bulletin Board System" less broad than it actually is. "BBS" and "messageboard" are pretty much synonymous phrases, and acting like it's otherwise is nearly like insisting that it doesn't count as a BBS if you don't connect through telnet.

>>1011607

Since Usenet is pretty much just EMail, there's nothing wrong with occasionally attaching images and other small files with your messages. However, the attitude of just using it to dump your hard drive images onto for redundant backups is what made ISPs stop adopting it (for free, anyway). Funnily enough, it's what hurts the redundancy of those files in the first place. If people had just mostly stuck to text, there'd be many more Usenet providers, and maybe at least one would've bothered keeping everything in a comprehensive archive. But as it is, I don't think there's any one provider which has all of Usenet history on it.

>>1011608

I figured what OP was getting at was that hypertext can effectively be implemented without using a dedicated protocol for it. I'd like to see him come up with how you could possibly link to other servers though, without just typing their domain names and making people start up ssh just to get into them. Maybe some kind of wacky "sshto:" protocol?

>>1011608

wrong

>for the all encompassing mess that is HTTP and the modern web?

>>1011602

but a bbs is just a forum

>>1011620

"Sense of community" has no bearing on what constitutes a BBS. What's important is that you can

post "bulletins" and that others can respond to them. As for the software itself, it's no coincidence

that 2ch-based BBSs have a dedicated "Email" section (though 8ch's is crappy and doesn't fit

enough characters for a full address), they're a direct derivative of text shell-based BBSs. Neither

anonymity nor thread purging are mandatory features, just check out tinychan or 4-ch.

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>>1011633

> "Sense of community" has no bearing on what constitutes a BBS.

BULL SHIT. We used to have BBQs and picnics with peeps from the local area code, even played softball with them. Some of them I went to school with. You could chat with famous demoscene or warez d00dz from all over the world. I used to attend 2600 meetings and found some of the BBS guys there too. I got to visit some sysops houses and see all their gear, even one guy who had a bigass Amiga 3000 tower back when that shit was expensive as hell.

Imagine an internet where servers only provide content via REST APIs and there are no browsers. Instead all sites are viewed through client side programs parse the REST responses and request new ones according to what user wants. There are some universal parsers as well but they are not very practical so specialized ones are always preferred. Large service providers like Google often release a client along with their service to encourage users, the Google search viewer can even be used to view results from other engines like bing, but a lot of power users prefer 3rd party FOSS clients that are made by people who don't run the services and are basically the youtube-dl of their domain (but maybe with a GUI), and for new sites compatibility with established clients is very important (unless they're willing to commit resources to writing their own clients). The canonical web content, text, is consumed similar to ebooks or RSS. Emphasis is on content, while formatting is handled by clients, so that everyone gets their own personalized visual look for pages that is consistent across different sites. Ads are often explicitly marked, and clients allow choosing how prominently they will be shown, if at all. Many clients have a "click here to see ads on this page" button, and users occasionally click out of curiosity or desire to support a useful site. Service providers who monetize through ads try very hard to make high quality ads relevant to their audience because otherwise people will stop viewing them.

What do you think of this fantasy universe, y/n?

>>1011842

you are retarded

>>1011518 (OP)

>not using SSHFS/SCP

SSH + SCP = ultimate solution, just like mr adolf intended

Do you know of some active XMPP conferences I could join?

>>1012510

publicg@yourdata.forsale

Honestly I like gopher because I'm that goddamn old. I agree about ssh bbs though. SSH also makes a fairly decent ad-hoc VPN.

>>1011620

>Motherfucking SDF.org

Yep.

It is, IMHO, better now than when I joined 17 years ago.

Also, Gopher is excellent to host as your own cache of files. The signal to noise ratio is great. The community is intelligent.