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 No.1009416>>1009421 >>1009431 >>1009433 >>1009472 >>1009484 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>For a few years, I reliably attended and spoke at the Free Software Foundation’s yearly conference, LibrePlanet. Two months ago, some fellow LibrePlanet speakers emailed to ask if I had heard about Richard M. Stallman’s remarks in 2017 that the Safe Space Policy (i.e., code of conduct) didn’t apply to him. Some pointed out that they had also heard specific violation reports involving Richard which hadn’t received a satisfactory response.

>We all discussed the issues by email, and I was happy to sign onto a letter asking the FSF board of directors to clarify. We focused on the future: is founder and president Stallman subject to the same rules as everyone else? In October, we sent the letter; you can find it below.

>On November 8, the board told us they were working on a response, but that it would take time. The board did follow up, and some of us exchanged a few emails. To this date, the FSF can’t assure us that Richard Stallman is subject to the same Safe Space Policy rules as anyone else.

>Therefore, I can’t say with confidence that LibrePlanet organizers are empowered to “provid[e] a harassment-free LibrePlanet experience for everyone,” to quote the policy. I suppose the FSF could take the Safe Space Policy down this year, but my preference would be that they figure out how to get every attendee to agree to it. It’s pretty succinct and focuses on harassment being unacceptable at the conference.

>We said in the letter that if the issue remains unaddressed, we’d share the letter publicly. I’m doing that today, and other signatories are doing so as well.

October letter

>Dear FSF Board,

>We write to you as former speakers and keynoters at LibrePlanet. We are concerned that the Code of Conduct for the event is not applied evenly, and in particular that Officers and Board Members seem to be exempt.[1] This creates an intimidating and hostile environment for attendees, speakers and potential future participants who hear that unchecked harassment is allowed at the event.

>This situation is not good for the future of the free software movement. We’re writing because we are reluctant to participate in and promote an event where speakers or audience members may be subject to verbal or even other types of harassment.

>Can we count on the FSF’s Board of Directors to direct staff to apply the Code of Conduct to everyone at LibrePlanet, without exception? What steps will the FSF take to ensure that this is the case? We look forward to your reply and to hopefully being able to promote and participate in LibrePlanet 2019, without the reservations and misgivings we currently hold. If this remains unaddressed, many of us will not submit talks, and we will make this letter public.

>Signed,

>Asheesh Laroia

>Bassam Kurdali

>Christopher Lemmer Webber

>Deb Nicholson

>Denver Gingerich

>Eric Schultz

>Kade Crockford

>Mad Price Bell

>Matthew Garrett

>Mike Linksvayer

>Morgan Lemmer-Webber

>Neil McGovern

>Paul R. Tagliamonte

>Stefano Zacchiroli

>Sumana Harihareswara

>Tom Callaway

>Tom Marble

>Wendy Bolm

>and other signatories who were named to the board but do not wish to be public at this time

>[1] There have been multiple instances of inappropriate behavior over the years at LibrePlanet. For example, there is a recording of RMS explicitly saying that as president of the FSF he is not subject to the rules in the Q&A of this talk: https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/the-gnu-philosophy-ethics-beyond-ethics/.

Found on:

https://octodon.social/@cwebber/101254219782734392

https://announce.asheesh.org/2018/12/libreplanet-speakers-ask-fsf-board-about-safe-space-policy-get-no-real-answer/

 No.1009421>>1009433

>>1009416 (OP)

Hasn't LibrePlanet been an echo chamber since the very beginning? Would it really be such a big loss if they'll stop inviting Richard to talk about the same old four freedoms in front of the same crowd? What's the point of giving speeches about free software to the people who already use free software?


 No.1009431>>1009433

>>1009416 (OP)

I would ban all these signers instead, since they are acting as agients proprietary/cuck software by sowing discord in the free software community.


 No.1009433>>1009463 >>1009601

>>1009416 (OP)

>I reliably attended and spoke at the Free Software Foundation’s yearly conference

>I

>Asheesh Laroia and Mike Linksvayer

>https://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2009/03/25/happy-hacking/

>https://announce.asheesh.org/

Literally nobody

>Two months ago, some fellow LibrePlanet speakers emailed to ask if I had heard about Richard M. Stallman’s remarks in 2017 that the Safe Space Policy (i.e., code of conduct) didn’t apply to him

TopGNU! RMS cucking social justice culture again.

>Some pointed out that they had also heard specific violation reports involving Richard which hadn’t received a satisfactory response.

>Some pointed out that they had also heard

>Some pointed

> they had also heard

WEW, again accusations coming from someones arse. Like when the FSF licensed someone because that person was specifically a tranny.

>Therefore, I can’t say with confidence that LibrePlanet organizers are empowered to “provid[e] a harassment-free LibrePlanet experience for everyone,” to quote the policy.

>to “provid[e] a harassment-free LibrePlanet experience for everyone,”

You could bring a BFG9000 to kill the potential harassers, harassers will come as long as you have a definition of harassment that makes 99% of the population harassers.

>I suppose the FSF could take the Safe Space Policy down this year,

And the earth would still spin around the sun.

> It’s pretty succinct and focuses on harassment being unacceptable at the conference.

The law already covers that. If someone harasses someone else call the cops.

>This situation is not good for the future of the free software movement

What would be not good for the free software movement is conquer and divide tactics, like the one that these people signed for.

>Christopher Lemmer Webber

This is actually very interesting. Webber isn't part of the FSF anymore and has been replaced by someone else.

What's interesting too is that other people are trying to redefine, redirect "free software" by trying to make for example a logo for it (the GNU logo is more than enough), or by trying to redefine other kind of popular networks, so that the attention is directed towards the ones who came with the new definitions.

>There have been multiple instances of inappropriate behavior over the years at LibrePlanet

Proof or gtfo!

> For example, there is a recording of RMS explicitly saying that as president of the FSF he is not subject to the rules in the Q&A of this talk

And president Obama still as presidential immunity and will never be judged for validating the continuation of PRISM. Your point is ?

>>1009421

>Would it really be such a big loss if they'll stop inviting Richard to talk about the same old four freedoms in front of the same crowd?

Imo RMS is more of a symbol of freedom nowadays, is speech are still encouraging and fairly simple to newcomers.

>What's the point of giving speeches about free software to the people who already use free software?

Because libre plannet also attract newbies who don't know about free software.

>>1009431

>I would ban all these signers instead

This

>they are acting as agients proprietary/cuck software by sowing discord in the free software community.

Proof please.


 No.1009463

>>1009433

(checked)


 No.1009465>>1009492 >>1009499

What are they even doing there? Have they produced a single line of useful code?


 No.1009472

>>1009416 (OP)

>Pls ban RMS because he hasn't subscribed to our newsletter

What a bunch of faggots really.


 No.1009473

Has RMS responded yet?

Someone please email him regarding his response.


 No.1009484>>1009692 >>1012476

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>>1009416 (OP)

RMS is too smart to fall for this bullshit.

If he complies to this crap it could be used against him and as the acting head of the FSF it would look bad, let alone if it led to any disciplinary action. He's quite right as head the rules don't apply to him, nor should they.

Based RMS as always.


 No.1009485>>1009488 >>1009492

CoC infringed freedom 0 in free software and here's why

(freedom 0)The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose

What if I want to make an A.I bot software that have antisemitic trait as apart of its characteristic. According to COC agreement, I am not allowed to do this. Therefore, the adoption of GPLv3 license onto software is useless when the COC were added.


 No.1009488

>>1009485

When will we finally get free as in freedom gas chambers?


 No.1009492>>1009494

>>1009465

It's a place to get together and exchange ideas in person. At least that is the intention behind conferences.

Conferences are fine in themselves themselves. However, conferences have degenerated into social clubs where you get together and the theme of the conference is just an excuse to have a conference and maybe give a reason to your employer to finance your trip.

>>1009485

You can still build your free as in freedom gas chambers, it's just that no one will want to talk to you. Or to anyone who would talk to you.


 No.1009494

>>1009492

found the kike


 No.1009499>>1009547 >>1009578

>>1009465

>What are they even doing there?

Trying to gain control of the FSF leadership.

Just read their bullshit they have nothing and even tho they try:

https://octodon.social/@cwebber/101257297407315956

They don't even link or show proof of their accusations.

>Have they produced a single line of useful code?

They all did more or less software.

What webber is trying to do tho and has successfully shilled for is the ActivityPub protocol standard at W3C for Mastodon and for some reason it passed quite fast. But that's all EEE shenanigans with MS, github and journalists in the background.


 No.1009501>>1009557 >>1009559

I don't think they understand whom they're dealing with here. Stallman is an autist like Ralph Nader, he has strong enough convictions that he's lived his life without a cell phone. They're not going to break him with this kind of name-and-shame pressure.


 No.1009547

>>1009499

(checked)


 No.1009554>>1009578

I am so sick of hearing the term "safe space" from grown men. Life isn't a safe space. People will be complete assholes to you, and it's easy to ignore. If they push you too far, break their nose. The end.


 No.1009557

>>1009501

Pretty much, the power of most SJW's is limited to twitter bullying, and hell will freeze over before we see Stallman on there.


 No.1009559>>1009562

>>1009501

>he's lived his life without a cell phone.

Oh is this considered extraordinary? Glad to be part of the club.


 No.1009562>>1009564

>>1009559

Well he's actually a person of note so yes. Some random NEET on a chan, not so much.


 No.1009564>>1009568

>>1009562

>No-phone equals NEET.

Imagine walking around life with this mindset. How far below 100 is your IQ if you don't mind me asking?


 No.1009565

Alright how many of the signatures are from trannies


 No.1009568>>1009569

>>1009564

Sorry no one cares about you.


 No.1009569>>1009570

>>1009568

Yeah, that wasn't what you were asked. I'll put down 84.


 No.1009570>>1009572

>>1009569

Still 14 higher than you, thanks


 No.1009572

>>1009570

Remember I said 'how far below', smaller number are better. Autism wins


 No.1009574>>1009646

what are YOU doing to survive the coming global gas shortage?


 No.1009578

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>>1009554

I find it pathetic that these people consider not getting your feefees hurt to be a matter of safety. In other professions safety means not getting your arm ripped off, not burning alive, not getting shot down or not contracting a deadly disease. These faggots would not last a week in one of those professions and I say good riddance.

>>1009499

>Trying to gain control of the FSF leadership.

>Just read their bullshit they have nothing and even tho they try:

>https://octodon.social/@cwebber/101257297407315956

>They don't even link or show proof of their accusations.

By the way, this is what the faggot looks like. Tell me he doesn't look like a sex pervert. Just looking at the thumbnail sends shivers down my spine, it's like this comic.


 No.1009601>>1009605

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>>1009433

>The law already covers that.

This is what's really stupid about it. If a code of cuckoldry is necessary to stop harassment why there's nothing in the code to stop someone from cutting off a sjw tiny dick and choking them to death with it? Or are sjws ok with murder? Both are already covered by law, if a law isn't enough for one it isn't for the other.

>Proof please.

The proof is they trying to remove rms. He has been a public figure for ages, he's awkward, and isn't rich so if any of the false accusations they've made up were true he'd have been caught long ago. If you think not then why don't they go to the cops with it? They're full of shit and rms hasn't harassed anyone, meaning they're doing it for some other reason (namely: to take over free software, scoring another win in the nerd front (comics, vidya, coding)).


 No.1009605>>1009614

>>1009601

Is he not rich though? He gives talks all the time.


 No.1009614

>>1009605

Not for much, he gets travel plus expenses from what I remember. He isn't paid by the FSF either. Taking a wild guess I'd say he's in the 7 digits as he's old and lives frugally.


 No.1009646

>>1009574

I'm going to die because the only thing keeping me alive is oil.


 No.1009647>>1009663 >>1009668 >>1009677 >>1009680 >>1012454

The free software and open source community have turned me off from being such a big supporter. Over the past two years I've been using exclusively free software on my computer, but now I think I'm not going to be as strict anymore.

It's an embarrassment being associated with these weirdo freaks and maybe writing proprietary software means I don't have to deal with these faggots. This doesn't mean I'm going to switch back to Windows or use all proprietary software, I'll just use whichever I find best for my needs.


 No.1009663>>1009668 >>1009677 >>1009680 >>1012454

>>1009647

>I'll just use whichever I find best for my needs.

That's a smart and pragmatic approach. In theory I really like the spirit of FOSS, but at the end of the day, it's end results that matter to me, so I'll use whatever works best. I cannot imagine the pain of dedicating years of your life to an open source project, only to be rewarded with a "community safety" reprimand because some comment made X years ago was not in compliant with the feelings of a CURRENT_YEAR tranny freak fighting WHITE MALES for intersectional justice. Let them rot.


 No.1009664>>1009665 >>1012454

If I have to pick RMS vs. the whole rest of the GNU Project, I'm throwing my weight behind the toe cheese man.


 No.1009665>>1009666 >>1009670 >>1009676 >>1012454

>>1009664

Why though? Name one thing he has actually contributed in the last decade.


 No.1009666>>1009667 >>1009676 >>1012454

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>>1009665

Name one thing Hitler has contributed to in the last decade.


 No.1009667>>1009671

>>1009666

Hitler's most likely dead, where RMS isn't. That's an unfair comparison.


 No.1009668

>>1009647

>>1009663

Yeah I hate it when my friends come and go through my software then make fun of me for using libre programs


 No.1009670>>1009674

>>1009665

Keeping the Free as in Speech software alive


 No.1009671>>1009674

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>>1009667

Richard is a father. All his children have grown up and now he's just watching them live their lives. And when they stumble, he's there to help them stand up.


 No.1009674>>1009675

>>1009670

Making sure people keep give him software for free (as in gratis) is not a contribution.

>>1009671

So... he hasn't contributed anything


 No.1009675>>1009678 >>1009693

>>1009674

Right he isnt the central force keeping free softeaware going or anything.

Name one person who did a tenth of what stallman did in their lifetime


 No.1009676>>1009678

>>1009665

>the transfag otherkin who hates that mean old white male RMS reveals xerself

>>1009666

Checked.


 No.1009677>>1009678

>>1009647

>>1009663

If this ain't a pasta it's a two-part shill act.


 No.1009678>>1009692

>>1009675

Ironically Terry A. Davis

Unironically Ken Thompson

I'm sure that are plenty of other people who would qualify.

>>1009676

>the transfag otherkin who hates that mean old white male RMS reveals xerself

Hating jews and trannies is completely normal

>>1009677

still not pasta


 No.1009680>>1009683 >>1009692 >>1009790

>>1009647

>>1009663

This is a sign of a weak will. Libreware has always been an ethical standpoint first and practical second.


 No.1009683>>1009698

>>1009680

Well when the ethics surrounding it are queer, I'm not sure how much I can support it.


 No.1009692>>1009695

>>1009678

>Terry A. Davis

He's a funny guy but god no.

>Ken Thompson

True.

>>1009680

>ethics first

OSI would disagree. It's about what works for software developers and users. And in particular, their major man ESR is staunchly for "the code above all else".

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8139

>>1009484

I want to believe, but I've been seeing far too many betrayals of things that I once thought unbetrayable.


 No.1009693

>>1009675

Stallman doesn't want to be the central force keeping the free software movement alive. In fact, he's not the central force keeping the movement alive. Stallman is the father of the movement, the first one who spread the message that it is good for users to fight for their freedom in software. There are plenty of people around who understand his message about freedom in software and are happy to do things to promote it such as writing free software and teaching people about the ideals.


 No.1009695>>1009697 >>1009699

>>1009692

Well, first of all, “the code above all else” and ethics are not mutually exclusive. There's no “code” when you're dealing with proprietary software.

Second, ESR is known bullshitter too, so I wouldn't trust every word he says in public. Did you read his post on LKML about the CoC situation? He's really good at raping people's minds with clever words.

Oh, and yeah, fuck OSI. Their compromising nature was a big red flag from the start that it's either a corporate psyop or it'll become one eventually. Compromises always lead to defeat, RMS understands that.


 No.1009697

>>1009695

>There's no “code” when you're dealing with proprietary software

One could argue it even more of a code than source code


 No.1009698>>1009700 >>1009702

>>1009683

You're not forced to associate with those faggots. Also, muddying the waters with your retardation to encourage the use of botnet isn't welcome here; MS/Apple/Google are even more pozzed than something like the Ruby or nodejs gay community.


 No.1009699>>1009704

>>1009695

>Did you read his post on LKML about the CoC situation?

If it wasn't the one I linked, link that. I need some faith. Torvalds accepting the CoC really shook me even if he's back in charge now.

>“the code above all else” and ethics are not mutually exclusive

Nice quotes. But while you're right, it's more of a side-effect of the main principles driving open source, and it should definitely focus on just that. Ironically, "show us the code" is inherently equality without needing to be preachy about it.


 No.1009700

>>1009698

Who says he supports MS/Apple/Google?


 No.1009702>>1009704 >>1009707 >>1009892

>>1009698

>encourage the use of botnet

proprietary software isn't necessarily botnet


 No.1009704

>>1009699 (checked)

It was the one you posted.

>>1009702

You can't know, that's the entire point. Software is engineering and engineering is about objectivity, and in objectivity there's no such thing as “trust”.


 No.1009707

>>1009702

>proprietary software isn't necessarily botnet

That's like saying taking it up the ass from a stranger is not necessarily poz. Technically it's correct, but why even take it up the ass to begin with?


 No.1009790

>>1009680

Perpetuating mental illness is not ethical.


 No.1009886

Gas them.


 No.1009891

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It's good to be king.

- T. Davis


 No.1009892>>1010400

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>>1009702

Proprietary software is basically Schrödingers Botnet. Since you can't see the source code, it's effectively both: botnet and non-botnet or as I've recently taken to calling it: potentially botnet.


 No.1010400

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>>1009892

The botnet that walks through walls.


 No.1012454

>>1009647

>It's an embarrassment being associated with these weirdo freaks

>and maybe writing proprietary software means I don't have to deal with these faggots.

Google, intel, microsoft, AMD all of these companies employ and encourages these furry freaks to wright non-free code.

>I'm not going to be as strict anymore.

>I'll just use whichever I find best for my needs.

So your saying that you'll voluntarily be fucked in the ass by corporations because the software isn't made by people who likes being fucked in the ass by corporations ?

You are aware that you don't need to promote it when you use it ?

>>1009663

>That's a smart and pragmatic approach

>maliciously agreeing with him

I wonder who's being this sort of post ?

>That's a smart and pragmatic approach

That's actually a very biased post.

>In theory I really like the spirit of FOSS

>In theory

> I cannot imagine the pain of dedicating years of your life to an open source project, only to be rewarded with a "community safety"

1: if you write code because you are preoccupy about software freedom and to make a living then you reward was being paid to do it.

2: if you write code with the intent of pleasing random people on the internet prepare to be surprised.

This is nothing new.

>>1009664

Not everyone is mad with mixing politics in the GNU project some really cares about software freedom like RMS. And RMS has proven that a software projects/communities survive by not mixing other politics and not deviating from it's original goal.

>>1009665

He shilled software freedom around the world.

Now name one thing you contributed this last century.

>>1009666

Checking these satan trips.


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>>1009484

>Based RMS

Are you kidding? RMS is a hippy atheist SJW NPC libtard. He's not 'our guy'.


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 No.1012689

>>1012476

>SJW

If you actually spent any degree of time following Stallman's news feed rather than a cherry-picked /pol/ compilation you'd realize that he's actually a fairly principled social democrat who calls out identity politics all the time.


 No.1012714

>>1012476

There are no good jews, but RMS is the very next best substitute. He's /useful/.


 No.1012716

Stallman will have a chair saved for him at the Intellectual Dark Web with the other "not-woke-enough" jews and libtards.




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