▶ No.1008046
▶ No.1008050>>1008055
Does anyone have any information on this? Vincent doesn't seem to have posted anything on his Twitter related: https://twitter.com/gexcolo it's possible w3m is miss rendering the page though and I'm just not seeing it.
▶ No.1008053>>1008056 >>1008068
>>1008038 (OP)
So. What's the next least cancerous email host available.
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▶ No.1008056
>>1008053
its yandex (unironically). fsb botnet is the best of botnets (ie they dont bulli you if you dont bulli russians first)
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▶ No.1008068
>>1008055
Vincent said it will be back up soon(tm).
>>1008053
In order, none, you, or one of the following: http://prxbx.com/email/
▶ No.1008114>>1008119 >>1008124 >>1008343
The glows are back at it again
▶ No.1008119>>1008225
>>1008114
What channel is that from?
▶ No.1008124>>1008125 >>1008150 >>1008176
>>1008064
>We've detected that JavaScript is disabled in your browser. Would you like to proceed to legacy Twitter?
>403 Forbidden: The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it.
the fuck is this website? thanks.
>>1008114
what motherfucking bullshit is this. you cant take down a mail service to do your stupid LE check. now i cant get my bill invoices because some gayass bitch claims someone made a bomb threat or some other mundane shit
▶ No.1008125>>1008147 >>1008173
>>1008124
Blame vc for hosting in the EU
▶ No.1008134>>1008135
I hope we get it back soon. I just got back from a job interview, and I'm hoping to get an email to my cocktail account. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but do you think I'll be able retrieve emails that were sent during this downtime?
▶ No.1008135
>>1008134
>Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but do you think I'll be able retrieve emails that were sent during this downtime?
If they weren't delivered, the sending SMTP server is supposed to attempt redelivery for a time.
▶ No.1008147>>1008155 >>1008173 >>1008201
>>1008125
Seriously, what in the fuck? Host it in Kazakhstan or something.
▶ No.1008150>>1008154 >>1008724
>>1008124
>now i cant get my bill invoices
>I just got back from a job interview, and I'm hoping to get an email to my cocktail account.
why are you using meme email for serious business that has your name all over it anyway?
these types of email services should be reserved for everything that isn't already associated with your name or money.
using megacorp email for things strictly with your name/money all over it is moderately acceptable, your not giving them any information that isn't already out there anyway.
yandex isn't bad for kosher email, atleast it's the russians and not google/isreal
▶ No.1008154>>1008159 >>1008366
>>1008150
running your own email is obviously a better option, there are pre-built things you can install so you have to do the bare minimum of configuration
https://mailinabox.email/
seriously these meme email servers go up and down all the time and there's still no guarantee they are encrypting or doing any of the bullshit they claim they are. i don't know why you would run your bank through these services
▶ No.1008155>>1008698
>>1008147
it seems like the best places to host these days are non-eu european nations like switzerland, norway, & iceland.
▶ No.1008159>>1008173 >>1012941
>>1008154
There are issues with building up "reputation" when self hosting a email server, as well as dropped messages due to dynamic ip changing (I beleive reputation is IP based as well so you'd be losing any reputation you built up). It's not that there isn't a use for these services just that if you can avoid them you'd be better off. That's why I suggested "In order, none, you, or one of the following: http://prxbx.com/email/" because in general you're better off not using any email at all for the sake of security, but if you need one you're better off hosting it yourself, and if you need one and you need it be reliable to use the list.
▶ No.1008170
How long is cock.li anticipated to be down?
▶ No.1008173
>>1008159
it's almost as if DKIM and such were invented so people wouldn't need to rely on poor measurements such as IP addresses. no idea how many dudes are still doing garbage with IP addresses though as I've only setup my own host years ago for a breif time (and my cocksucking webscale company probably switched to some Email as a service as a service bullshit after I quit)
>>1008125
no, blame the government for being actual monekey faggots with no real process.
>>1008147
central asia are full of bullshit rules too. so is anywhere in the world. there will inevitably be a user who violates some rule of the state
▶ No.1008176>>1008954
>>1008124
>now i cant get my bill invoices
You fucking retard. You registered your shit in a cianigger's mail service?
▶ No.1008178>>1008200
Was planning to fully switch over from ProtonMail and now it's down. So unfortunate. I'll just continue when it gets online.
▶ No.1008200>>1008300
>>1008178
I was considering using Protonmail, but, if it's down like you say it is, that doesn't set a good precedent in terms of reliability. Also, you can't access it via any means besides web mail unless you use their proprietary software, so that's kind of a dealbreaker.
▶ No.1008201
>>1008147
The problem with hosting things in countries where you can get away with a lot of things is that the infrastructure is shit and can't support much.
▶ No.1008205>>1008317
UPDATE
>http://Cock.li is back online temporarily, but will likely go back offline in the morning. Read updates here: https://status.cock.li/incident/2
▶ No.1008225
>>1008119
#cock.li on irc.darenet.org
▶ No.1008271
>>1008038 (OP)
Fuck. I just got an account.
▶ No.1008300>>1008318
>>1008200
No, I said I was switching from ProtonMail to cock.li and now that cock.li is down I can't do that. ProtonMail isn't down and it's never been for me. You misunderstood anon.
▶ No.1008317>>1008322
>>1008205
>Thanks to full disk encryption on every server, no user data is at risk.
if he's forced to comply why would they not just force him to keep the system operational while they mirror the databases, instead of allowing him to power down the servers and then mirror the encrypted drives.
▶ No.1008318>>1008755
>>1008300
You're right. Although my point about unreliability still stands. VC is doing a great job, but I just can't rely on his service for any real work if the Germans are just gonna fuck with us.
▶ No.1008322>>1008426 >>1008955
>>1008317
the way protonmail works, or atleast the way I think it works, is once the mail comes in it's encrypted with the pgp key and saved that way. then the javascript client get's sent the encrypted emails and it's only decrypted inside of the browser when you enter your password to login to the account, it's never decrypted on their side.
full disk encryption seems pointless in these situations, they would just raid the servers while they are online.
besides the rediculous kangaroo laws in the EU now, can they not just compel you to disclose the passwords to decrypt the drives in the EU? do people in the EU even have rights when the government is involved?
▶ No.1008323
Would you niggers stop calling Daniel Royston `VC`
https://archive.is/https://8ch.net/pol/res/5910407.html
You read retarded when you don't even host your own MTA. Not that it matters, e-mail is compromised top-down.
▶ No.1008324
Oh wait, isn't he a global volunteer now?
goldenrod or something.
▶ No.1008343>>1008352
>>1008114
They could force him to unencrypt if there is a law that allows them to do so?
▶ No.1008352
>>1008343
Yes&No:
http://www.cryptolaw.org/cls2.htm#ro
Smart admins, not Daniel Royston, make it impossible to do anything about the collection of data, or lack of knowledge of.
Don't want to expand this further, but there's used to exist really good ISPs and MTAs that did everything and above their power to be able to do anything against their clientele. Now it's more profitable to join the fiat cabal, control and monitor everyone's life, and pretend to care.
▶ No.1008366>>1008426
>>1008154
almost no ISPs open up ports 25, 587, 465 because of people spamming from their residential connections.
▶ No.1008375>>1008378 >>1008387 >>1008396 >>1008436
Protonmail kicks you off if you're a "nazi". Don't use it.
Don't use cock.li for serious matters either. You know it's full of faggots doing dumb shit and you sure as hell don't want to put @horsefucker.com as your email on a serious matter. Just use a dummy Gmail account for things that matter and check it once a week.
▶ No.1008378>>1008379
>>1008375
>using the google botnet
the airmail.cc domain I use for real shit like my bank and work
▶ No.1008379>>1008380
>>1008378
And your bank is part of the same botnet. Having your bank email be with google and then never have them send you an email ever makes you blend in with the background noise and not stand out so much. Some times the best way to hide is in plain sight. All my bank ever e-mails me is their amazing new deals that I never read any way. I wouldn't recommend using google for anything personal but you're already on the botnet, better to use it to your advantage and don't stand out then be an easy target.
▶ No.1008380
>>1008379
I keep the accounts seperate, I real life stuff account then my communication account
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▶ No.1008387>>1008431 >>1008957
>>1008375
>don't use ProtonMail
>just use GMail
🤔
Or alternatively you could just, you know, not act like a "nazi", perhaps. I can't even think out of the blue of a single case where you'd have to go against the norm while having your e-mail address publicly exposed. Only if you want to be a some sort of e-celeb, I guess?
▶ No.1008396
>>1008375
>You know it's full of faggots doing dumb shit
so what? what exactly does that change?
▶ No.1008426
>>1008322
We have 5th ammendment-like laws, unless you live in Bongistan. https://www.accessnow.org/eu-ministers-targeting-encryption-need-know/
>>1008366
You can use socat and a Tor HS to circumvent that. My mail server is literally next to me and no data ever touches my VPS' disk.
▶ No.1008431>>1008436 >>1009122
>>1008387
>Or alternatively you could just, you know, not act like a "nazi"
▶ No.1008433>>1008434 >>1008748
Use your ISP's mail server, dillweed. You're already paying for it. If you want something more private you're gonna have to run your own server.
▶ No.1008434>>1008448
>>1008433
>trusting your ISP
ISPs are all bags of shit
▶ No.1008436>>1008544
>>1008431
?
>>1008375
>Protonmail kicks you off if you're a "nazi". Don't use it.
How would they know, though?
▶ No.1008441>>1008458 >>1008475 >>1008477 >>1008760
Why the fuck would anyone use cock.li?
▶ No.1008448>>1008789
>>1008434
GnuPG motherfucker
▶ No.1008458>>1008462 >>1008637
>>1008441
Beacuse it's privacy focused and not (((proton mail)))
▶ No.1008462>>1008464 >>1008477
>>1008458
No it's not he stores the ip your registered with
▶ No.1008464
>>1008462
I'm pretty sure protonmail is the most botnet provider out there, iirc you can't even use your own mail client with it because they've disabled imap/smtp connections. You have to run their own proprietary javascript in order to even access your mail
▶ No.1008475>>1008637
>>1008441
I can use my own mail client and have as many accounts with many different domains all with great convenience. The only reason for me to not use it is because every other year or so it goes down for a while.
▶ No.1008477>>1008637
>>1008462
>he stores the ip your registered with
Then register with Tor.
>>1008441
banking
▶ No.1008544
>>1008436
>How would they know, though?
they see someone post your email on the internet and claiming it's racist
▶ No.1008637>>1009027
>>1008477
>>1008475
>>1008458
Oh so retarded people
>How can I trust you?
>You can't. Cock.li doesn't parse your E-mail to provide you with targeted ads, nor do I read E-mail contents unless it's for a legal court order. However, it is 100% possible for me to read E-mail, and IMAP/SMTP doesn't provide user-side/client-side encryption, so you're just going to have to take my word for it. Any encryption implementation would still technically allow me to read E-mail, too. This was true for Lavabit as well -- while your E-mail was stored encrypted (only if you were a paid member, which most people forget), E-mail could still technically be intercepted while being received / sent (SMTP), or while being read by your mail client (IMAP). For privacy, I would recommend encrypting your E-mails using PGP using a mail client add-on like Enigmail.
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▶ No.1008724
>>1008150
>that has your name all over it
email from businesses is plain text anyway and it bounces of of other servers in between so what's your point
▶ No.1008748>>1012691 >>1012696
>>1008433
ISP mail is usually as bad as Gmail for privacy. Spent fucking $1 and get an account on sdf.org or be a nigger forever.
▶ No.1008755
>>1008318
the shit's in romania
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▶ No.1008789>>1008935
>>1008448
won't help a iota with hiding your IP, or talking to ppl who are unable to use any form of GPG.
▶ No.1008816>>1008817
Recently a lot of ransomware was being setup using cock.li emails. It's probably related to that.
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>>1008816
I completely guessed it was down because of the ransomware but it looks like that's actually the reason after checking the status page.
https://status.cock.li/incident/2
▶ No.1008896
Seems like (((they))) got what they wanted. Back online baby!
▶ No.1008935>>1009137
>>1008789
> unable to use GPG
Kek. They're mentally disabled? In that case, you'll never communicate with them securely, ever. You'll always be stuck using some cianigger (((platforms))).
As for hidding your IP, you can setup your own server, scp the encrypted text there, and then send it from there. Now your ISP doesn't see you send email.
▶ No.1008954>>1009116
>>1008176
literally what. should i use pozzed gmail for my bill email instead?
▶ No.1008955
>>1008322
who gives a fuck about protonmeme? it requires phone/donation to sign up
▶ No.1008957>>1009122 >>1012562
>>1008387
or you could just fuck off and suck a cock
▶ No.1009027>>1009042
>>1008637
This applies to every email server, including ones that are just passing the message along.
▶ No.1009042>>1009138
>>1009027
So why use something that goes down every other day over anything else then? And since when can random employees open whatever email they wantm even if they're encrypted, in other email service providers? Good luck taking the guy to court and getting any meaningful compensation also.
▶ No.1009116
>>1008954
Your debts are pozzed so yes.
▶ No.1009137>>1009144 >>1009165
>>1008935
>you can setup your own server
why bother if I can use tor + cock.li though?
>They're mentally disabled?
no
do you even have friends outside /tech? how many of them use any kind of GPG?
▶ No.1009138>>1009165
>>1009042
>So why use something that goes down every other day over anything else then?
less botnet than others
can sign up with tor
VC is a nice guy
▶ No.1009144>>1009163
>>1009137
If they can't even follow simple cookbook instructions, then they're mentally disabled. Stop making excuses for the learned helplessness that plagues modern society. By doing so, all you're doing is perpetuating the problem.
▶ No.1009163>>1009178
>>1009144
can't != don't want
people value their time too much so they won't do this only to secure the communications with one dude which don't have anything top secret anyway
if they cared about it, they would do this easily
▶ No.1009165
>>1009137
>>1009138
>So what if there's no oversight, security, or anything resembling privacy? The domain names are le ebig xD
▶ No.1009178>>1009180
>>1009163
keep telling yourself that
▶ No.1009180>>1009230
>>1009178
do you have many problems in life from your autism?
▶ No.1009230>>1009233
Is cock.li back? I just tried to send an e-mail and it filed. >>1009180
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▶ No.1009236
>>1009233
Good. My email finally have been delivered.
▶ No.1010637>>1010741
I created an goat.si account on 16th, now despite being absolutely sure the credential is legit I can't login, any of you experiencing similar issue?
▶ No.1010741
>>1010637
Cock.li has been permanently compromised this go around.
▶ No.1012502>>1012522
Missing emails for two days. Is this normal?
▶ No.1012503
Missing emails for two days. Is this normal?
▶ No.1012522>>1012926
>>1012502
Mine's been working fine
▶ No.1012609>>1012836
>>1012573
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Get fucked weebshits
▶ No.1012691
>>1008748
sdf is underrated
▶ No.1012696
>>1008748
Nothing is worse than SJW google. At least your ISP has an incentive to keep you paying them. Google doesn't give a shit and will lock you out anytime it wants, just for being a shitlord, or for using Tor.
▶ No.1012836
>>1009122
your post wasn't an argument either you dickfuck:
>Or alternatively you could just, you know, not act like a "nazi"
>>1012609
this is too dumb for even reddit. go back to the Steam community
▶ No.1012888
>UPDATE 2018-12-20
>Some time during the week of 9 December, Cock.li's datacenter received an EIO from the Romanian government, at the behest of the German government. The order demanded a mirror image of Cock.li's disks, which was executed by the datacenter.
>Datacenter staff performed this by unplugging one disk at a time to do the mirror, with the intention of preventing downtime. However, due to Cock.li's security setup, this cannot be done without operator intervention to restart the build process. When the array was broken, the server crashed, which at first appeared as if a disk had just failed in an irrecoverable way. After trying to diagnose the missing disk, a replacement disk was arranged to be installed so the rebuild could complete.
>Once Cock.li learned that the disk was not broken but was removed due to a search order, all relevant systems were powered off so the activities could continue without data integrity or security concerns. When datacenter staff went home for the night, the server was powered back online and services restored. During this time the datacenter was instructed that due to the security setup, it would be necessary to power down the server before removing any disks.
>The server was shut down to complete the mirroring, but was left offline overnight which caused the second downtime of almost 24 hours.
>Due to cock.li's security setup which includes full-disk encryption on every server, no user data was at risk at any time. Only encrypted data was recovered.
>Cock.li has not seen the order in question, nor have we been able to identify the agency who issued the order. It seems unlikely at these point that we will ever see the order, or get in contact with the agency responsible. Cock.li's warrant canary has been updated off-schedule to affirm that no communication with any law enforcement agency has taken place regarding this issue. If that changes, this page will be updated with that information.
https://status.cock.li/incident/2
I guess most people ITT used Cock.li for email and not a VPS --- anyway regarding VPS what good ones accept Bitcoin and Tor users?
▶ No.1012915>>1012923
Isn't FDE in a datacentre already totally compromised by design? Since staff or "visitors" have unrestricted access to the hardware there is in principle nothing to stop them obtaining the decryption key when the administrator makes a remote IPMI connection to the server in order to decrypt its drives on boot.
For our servers we never bothered with FDE for this reason - if the NSA can just secretly compel the host to let them mess with the hardware the whole exercise is pointless. The situation must even worse with a bunch of corrupt Romanian monkeys attempting to run a full botnet datacentre.
▶ No.1012923>>1012926
>>1012915
Also the NSA can brute force your root password / ssh key so you might as well make the password 1234.
▶ No.1012926
>>1012522
Restarted phone, worked again. Must have been my client.
>>1012923
hurr durr NSA is the only adversary for an average person
▶ No.1012941
>>1008159
you must be as fucking stupid as they come hahahahaha
▶ No.1012958
Holy fuck this whole thread reeks of 4cucks and plebbit.
>The absolute state of /tech/ these days.
▶ No.1013571
Black procedure took them down, look it up.
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