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Good thread. Have a glow-free first post.

Has anyone riced this thing yet? I like the system but do not like the blinking lights and all the text crawlers. I don't know enough about the system yet to rice it on my own.

>>1004918

If you know C, then you should be able to pick up HolyC fairly quickly.

I think he calls a struct a class, a void is u0, but it's mostly like C.

It's fairly riced enough already. Instead of needing to rely on system calls, which can cost hundreds of cycles, every call is a system call.

The problem is the proprietary video card and peripherals that require proprietary drivers that either need reverse engineered or to purchase an expensive license to their documentation.

>>1004936

yeah by 'riced', I meant more in terms of just the visuals. the first things I wanna do are stop the text crawlers, blinking lights and get enough keybindings to drop the mouse entirely when using it

>>1004918

>>1004942

You should probably check some of Terry's archived videos, I'm sure I saw one where he fucked with the layout

>>1004875 (OP)

a reminder that the versions released after terry's possible death are backdoored or somehow tainted: there is an archive of clean isos floating around somewhere, beside the older ones.

>>1005739

What is the point of tainting a non-networked os?

>>1005489

i mean its so malleable and lean i know i'll find the code eventually, but yeah thatd be nice. i need to archive everything he put out anyway

what are some of the honest, deep rooted, criticisms of this os design that werent intentional simplifications by terry (vga, sound, no network, ring 0, etc)?

>>1005775

No dark theme.

>>1005798

this, i agree 110% with your goals of healthier community and improving documentation and approachability. I'm working on improving the intro holyc and such as i go

The more I use TempleOS the more intrigued I become. I wish he had used a more standard language though, like C/C++. I want something just like it, but with a Lisp playground instead of HolyC.

>>1006182

if I was actually good, I'd start working on something like TempleOS, or even a layer over templeOS, but with a lisp.

>>1005798

>>1006182

>>1006183

You guys should actually try to build a simpler, easier to understand version of temple OS. I work as a programmer and my job is quite intense so I don't do hobby projects, but here are some hints:

1) C is quite complex, I think Terry invented is own language because he didn't want to implement C. Note that according to Terry (and I think this is generally true) the OS should include a compiler and should be "self hosted" i.e. the OS and the compiler should be written in that language.

2) Some variant of lisp should be easy to implement, but that still leaves writing the low level OS code. One possibility is writing a lisp that compiles to machine code. Or using an existing lisp that compiles to machine code.

>>1006190

Yeah, running anything but HolyC on the machine level would be a mammoth amount of work. Something I’d like to do though is reduce a lot of the code that exist in HolyC to barebones basics, build a lisp from HolyC, then reimplement a lot of the user interface stuff in some sort of HolyLisp (I need a bible guy to think of a better name first though). Maybe HolElisp? Lol. Anyway, that’s kinda where I’m at. I’m not super good though and this is mostly just me fantasizing, but I’d like to move in this direction as a hobby.

>>1006190

Tell me, Mr. Professional, if these are worthwhile endeavors: >>1006197. It sounds fun, but I don’t want to waste my time if something else along the same lines would be way cooler. But to me, it sounds like the most /comfy/ thing to do.

>>1006197

>>1006203

Bump, but with an additional question: what would be the BEST hardware to port TempleOS to, strictly hypothetically? I know it's basically married to x86_64, and that kind of sucks.

>>1006419

He originally written TempleOS for risc arch modern processors convert everything to 64bit instr length anyway so he gave up and rewrote the OS.

You might be able to if you rewrote the compiler and find a compatible display.

WHERE

Can I find ISOs that we’re made before AfterEgypt was removed? And

WHY

don’t you NIGGERS care more about this???

>>1007023

Damn that’s crazy.. I wish i could find the old work he threw away..

>>1007262

Also, requesting link to a full archive of all terry’s streams, quotes, everything - all thing sTerry pls

>>1007262

https://web.archive.org/web/*/templeos.org

I think the ones from 2013-2016 should be safe. In some of the archives the ISO's are downloadable.

There is also https://archive.org/details/TempleOS_ISO_Archive

but I wouldn't trust it.

>>1007394

Just download one of ISO's and run it VirtualBox. Set other 64bit linux, set hard disk and cd-rom controllers to ide. It runs just fine. Give enough ram.

>>1007263

Just look it up on YouTube and you will get more videos than you have time to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOFnEi5umi36nay4rppPW9A/videos

This channel has livestreams too.

>>1007262

AfterEgypt, along with a bunch of other stuff he was working on, is available on the supplemental iso. So you can run 5.03 and still have AfterEgypt, just insert the sup ISO into your VM and copy it into your TOS install.

>>1007394

I'll do this later. It needs a lot more guides and stuff like that written up by community members.

>>1007459

even the livestreams were saved? god bless who ever did that

>>1007394

>One of you glowbois write a guide to getting it working in a VM

Terry already many videos about it, you dumb faggot.

You can find them here, https://templeos.holyc.xyz/Wb/Home/Web/TOSVideos.html#l1

As for the archives:

>https://ia600600.us.archive.org/31/items/TerryADavis_TempleOS_Archive/

>https://archive.org/details/TempleOS_ISO_Archive

Old thread:

>>943701

>>1007481

Terry didn't make this site, did he?

>>1005744

Virtual machine implants to own your host OS.

>>1008121

I'm guessing someone archived his site there.

>>1008931

It's either the x86_64 option, or stare down the Goliath task of getting TempleOS on ARM, which Terry even advised against.

>>1008931

>having a handhelding intel ME machine

now THATS epic

>>1008945

TempleOS is non networked, idiot

>>1008978

But the Intel ME with wifi antenna running MINIX inside your processor is.

>>1008983

prove it

>>1008989

Ok, great. Then your argument falls short, bub.

>>1008989

You made the claim so you should be able to spoonfeed every single detail to backup your claim all the way from each premise leading to the conclusion. Otherwise people who make claims will simply say "just Google it".

>>1009121

this, exactly. burden of proof, double nigger

>>1008931

if it runs well enough through qemu virtualization on an rpi, i may do just that

So what will happen with the OS now? terry did say he finished it before departing from our world. Is it condemned to become abandonware or are other trying to put it to good use somewhere else?

>>1010783

>good use

what do you mean? it was always only intended to be used a modern c64 for recreational programming and education. I'm using it for just that. Once I have more interesting work I'm going to go public with my programs and improved documentation, code comments, etc.

>>1007263

thats everything

https://archive.org/details/TerryADavis_TempleOS_Archive

>>1010922

everything? surely a livestream or two is missing, no?

>>1007460

there is absolutely no reason to use 5.03

as soon as terry died the site administrators started fucking with the releases, on pretty much the same fucking day

>>1011075

that’s so weird, can you expand on this? what do i want to use then (and where do I get it)? Also, what did they fuck with? They admins are Terry’s family I assume?

>>1011075

How about Shrine? Or other releases on github?

>>1011170

>They admins are Terry’s family I assume?

Why would you assume that? Last I heard, the people controlling Terry's website were some internet randos styling themselves as "Templars." AFAIK, his family never had anything to do with his online activities or presence.

>>1011176

I assumed that because they added the donation link to mental illness organizations, just seemed like something fam would do. Anyway that’s weird as fuck, but where can I get the non buggered iso files?

>>1011170

>>1011176

i heard that one of them is a furry.

>>1008987

>>1008993

>>1009121

>>1009581

it's real actually. at least amd offers the (possibly fake) option to disable networking on the psp.

>>1011174

>How about Shrine? Or other releases on github?

Would like to know this too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0cEOs_nunY

24/7 Terry stream rebroadcast

>>1013922

>>1011174

Shrine is dead; there's another more recent fork called DivineOS

bump

Hail Terry

Hail Terry

Hail Terry

>>1026945

shoo shoo cia jew

>>1026945

It hasn't been really updated since the initial announcement.

>>1004875 (OP)

https://templeos.org

TempleOS site is down after the registration was renewed at 2019-03-16T21:36:59Z, according to a WHOIS lookup. The DNS entry for the domain pointed to 185.10.68.133, which is still hosting the site content.

Who controls the domain? Could we get the site back up?

>>1042230

Wasn't tsheikhs handling all of that?

>>1042230

>Could we get the site back up?

The site is still up... https://185.10.68.133/

So how did he died?

>>1004936

>Instead of needing to rely on system calls, which can cost hundreds of cycles, every call is a system call

What are you actually saying ?

The context switch from user space to kernel space for a system call is usually more expensive than a standard user space function call.

Are you saying everything is in kernel space, so there is no context switch?

>>1006190

>Or using an existing lisp that compiles to machine code.

Is there anything like that now? I have seen lisp implementations that produce stand alone executable by converting to C, then linking with a gigantic run time for lisp, its comical.

Mapping lisp to machine code is non-trivial.

>>1046333

So is domain name is down I wonder is his site locally hosted and if so is he really dead unless anon just copied his site and locally hosting it himself

>>1046333

He got hit by a train supposably

>>1046333

Implying he didn't fake his death so he could escape his discord tranny stalkers.

>>1046333

Escaped to Canada.

>>1005739

i have one on my computer that i downloaded years ago but its not the latest. not sure if i can even trust some random thing thats on the internet now.

>>1005739

>sha1sum templeos.iso

>>1046949

wont help you if you dont know what it should be

>>1046951

tħis and also sha1 is considered broken by now.

>>1046951

Is there really no record of a hash in any of his videos or any archived threads on 8ch, 4ch and other sites? Or on the archive of his website?

>>1046955

>sha256sum temple.iso

anyone have the vid of him drawing the elephant and complaining about having too many colours

>>1006190

>had me going

>mentions lisp

<booktoss.jpg

>>1005817

F

>>1007481

>already many

Thanks anon, bless you tbh.

>>1004936

Picking up C "quickly" is impossible. It has so many edge cases and undefined behaviours that you end up wasting decades to learn a stupid weenie programming language that sucks. This suckiness carries over to every language inspired by it, including Java, JavaScript, and HolyC.

If you want a real hobbyist operating system written in a real programming language, check out Mezzano. Leave Terrold's weenie ticketmaster trash in the grave where it belongs.

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>>1049979

Shut the fuck up.

>>1049979

Based

>>1049983

Fuck off, cheesecuck.

>>1049984

Keep talking about dickcheese like the faggot you are.

lmao using C++ generalized bullshit that runs like ass instead of optimizing for native code

>>1046853

>hit by a train

In the back of the head?

Does TempleOS use SSE and similar extensions to x86?

>>1050239

This is interesting to consider. I imagine he did use some. When was SSE implemented, in Pentium 3?

>>1050244

I believe so, but they always bring in new version that are supersets of older ones.

They went up to 4, and now the extensions are called AVX.

>>1006182

>>1006190

>>1006197

You guys don't understand the genius of HolyC. It's a unified shell and systems programming language. There is no distinction. If you build a "simpler" language on top of HolyC you're just hiding the system away from the programmer. TempleOS is so great because just by using the OS, navigating directories, making files, etc. you are learning how to write systems programs because there is no distinction between using the OS and writing systems programs. It bridges the gap by unifiying them. Then you can do whatever you want because you know how to program against the system. It's freedom. Locking the programmer inside of a LISP when the rest of the system is written in HolyC is just slavery. Start from the beginning if you want to use a LISP.

>>1050248

Terry was developing the OS for years, as far as I know since the early 2000's. He had to upgrade it for 64-bit, which he did, so I would imagine he would've taken the time to implement instructions for the larger registers.

>>1007481

I've never really been able to break through understanding Terry Davis' TempleOS, not because I was put off by him personally, but simply I found the material mostly inscrutable.

Today, I've become a fair bit better as coding, I've come to understand the basics of operating systems in general, and have an increasing understanding of the hardware itself.

I've spent a few hours watching some of the 'Old TempleOS Videos' and I understand things much more clearly than when I tried before. I'm now planning to set it up inside a VM thanks to this post, and to really start studying it as a side hobby. Thanks anon, the timing of this post was really good for me personally!

>>1049979

>Picking up C "quickly" is impossible. It has so many edge cases and undefined behaviours that you end up wasting decades to learn a stupid weenie programming language that sucks.

>can't program in C

>it must be the fault of everyone else!

>that cheese pasta

>implying cheese is bad

>implying cheese is addictive

>being a fat fuck who tries to fill the hole in his heart with food makes cheese bad

This is pure insanity.

>>1055419

Individuals with negro blood are garuenteed to have lactose-intolerance.

Dairy is a litnus test of determining mutt status.

>>1055423

>Individuals with negro blood are garuenteed to have lactose-intolerance.

That's not true. Whether someone tolerates lactose, is determined by symbiotic bacteria living in someone's guts. Skin color have nothing to do with it.

>>1055424

It does. Europeans are drinking/eating dairy products for the longest so they can consume it best. Asian countries like Japan imported it for a long time so they got used to it too.

Fucking niggers from Africa are lactose-intolerant because those primitive tribes just hunted animals to sate their hunger.

Why do you think the whole care about lactose intolerant people goes hand in hand with the mass importation of niggers?

>>1055424

If you think race is "skin deep" than you have an infinitely small knowledge of biology.

>>1055439

>infinitely small knowledge of biology.

Fun facts:

Genetic differences within a race are bigger, than between races.

All people, excluding people from Africa have 4% of genes inherited after neanderthals, which are mostly genes coding white skin and fair hair.

All mammals have genes coding enzymes, which let them digest milk. You just have to keep drinking milk to keep these genes active and also have microbes specific for digestion of milk, for example Lactobacillus.

>Asian countries like Japan imported it for a long time so they got used to it too.

"got used to it" have nothing to do with genes, because natural selection doesn't work in this case, because the pressure is too weak. It doesn't kill you, you just don't drink milk. If something is evolving, for sure symbiotic bacterias. If they won't start producing enzymes for milk digesting, they die - here the pressure is strong enough.

>>1049979

Holy shit! Even in TempleOS threads you have to show up to spew your crap?

Give us a break.

>>1046847

not the same anon but i think everything is kernel space on TOS, not sure though

>>1055549

>Genetic differences within a race are bigger, than between races.

But that's wrong you retard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin's_Fallacy

>it is nonetheless possible to classify individuals into different racial groups with an accuracy that approaches 100 percent when one takes into account the frequency of the alleles at several loci at the same time.

>>1060826

This sentence you are citing have nothing to do with what I said.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1893020/

>The proportion of human genetic variation due to differences between populations is modest, and individuals from different populations can be genetically more similar than individuals from the same population. Yet sufficient genetic data can permit accurate classification of individuals into populations.

>>1008985

>640x480

>Rap music

>Black bars

I don't think you receive grace when you add black bars and nigger music. Saved because 4:3 ratio.

>>1063463

to the team of people who are reading this post you should buy this product

>>1060871

protip:Rap is much older than 1900. All people of all society have been producing rhythm and poetry culture during all of mankind

>>1006197

>>1006183

>>1006182

Lisp? Unironically? I mean I could understand BASIC, that'd be quite cool, but lisp? must be one of the most tedious languages ever. The main problem is having to write the parentheses and stuff you won't get around in c in the terminal. But all that is great and ultimately only shows how terry left many opportunities for 'recreational programming'

Which is the go-to TOS image? Not the newest one but the one that includes most stuff. I downloaded the last one on archive.org that was around 30 megs rather than 10 but this one didn't really boot. Which one does?

Also what do you need to run TOS on hardware? I have a pc from around 2010 with MBR I'd try but I'm not entirely sure yet whether to try to install TOS or FreeDOS on it.

>>1060834

>muh the amount of differences in DNA parts

Different parts of the DNA have a different importance, nigger.

50% of the DNA of a human is the same as that of a banana for example.

The differences between races is bigger than between individuals of a race, same with the differences in the genetic material (not measured in amount alone but by amount and importance).

>>1064764

>The differences between races is bigger than between individuals of a race

That's not always true, learn how to read nigger

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1893020/

>The differences between races is bigger

>The differences is bigger

>The differences is

>is

Shouldn't it be 'are', that's plural?

Learn English nigger.