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Reminder that in the true canon, Revan did literally nothing wrong
Except not putting down Malak's coup
▶ No.1069>>1081 >>2885
>>1068 (OP)
There is no cannon but the true cannon.
Kreia tried to free us from the force but we are enslaved to its control and were unable to break free from its control.
"“There is no truth in the Force."
- Kreia
▶ No.1075>>1085 >>1087
>>1068 (OP)
>dual wielding
He's too much of a tryhard. I prefer her.
▶ No.1077
Ehhh… fighting, running and jumping around in a dress doesn't look much smart. Even more in a front.
▶ No.1081
>>1069
I'd follow her to Malachor V - and back.
▶ No.1085>>1094
>>1075
>fem revan
>posting this non-canon drivel here
>>>/out/
▶ No.1087>>1088
>>1075
>Fem Revan
Next thing you'll tell me is he was controlled by the Emperor during his actions throughout most of the series
Seriously, fuck that book, and fuck the anally annihilated cuck who wrote it
▶ No.1088>>1245
>>1087
what's sad is that drew cuckyshyn was the lead writer for kotor 1, and is for all intents and purposes THE prime revan source guy. how the fuck he ended up going that route is beyond me. i think he drank too much of the bioware from mass effect.
▶ No.1094>>1096
>>1085
Given what they did to the canon Revan I'll happily stick with my non-canon drivel.
I actually went male in every kotor 1 playthrough and pre-ordered the first edition hardback of the Revan book in the false assumption that it would be good and give closure to the character. I only started to prefer fem-Revan after that because it helped me disassociate the character from what he ended up becoming.
▶ No.1096>>1125
>>1094
You did the juhani lesbian bug/mod, didn't you?
▶ No.1110>>1113 >>1142 >>1546 >>2069 >>2890
Revan did pretty much everything wrong. His heroic character flaw is clearly a messiah complex that always ends up destabilizing galactic events about as often as it saves the day.
The Jedi Council was simply indifferent to the Mandalorians running roughshod over outer civilization, but they rightfully hesitated because their perception through the Force gave them the disturbing sense that something bigger was going on. Revan proved that right when he took arms against the Mandalorians in a fit of righteous indignation. That was nice for the worlds and peoples he rescued but ultimately bad for the greater galaxy when it led him right into the domain of the true Sith for their emperor to brainwash him and Malak to the dark side.
After returning as a preemptive agent of Sith conquest, Revan was able to break free of the mental conditioning because he's just that awesome and OP. BUT instead of warning and preparing the Republic for the Sith's long simmering revenge, Darth Revan decides to build his own better Sith fiefdom with pazaak and 4 genders of Twi'lek, and because he wants the Revan Empire to fight the true Sith he launches a long, costly, tedious Jedi Civil War deliberately leaving key infrastructure intact for his eventual use (someday). Of course that didn't go to plan when he was redeemed to the light, but instead of sticking around to help clean up his mess Revan decides he's the one and only person in existence who can stop the Sith and buggers off almost completely on his own to the unknown regions while the Triumvirate dick slaps the Republic and Jedi Order.
THEN it turns out that he's not the chosen badass after all and becomes imprisoned by his mortal nemesis, the Sith emperor, for 300 fucking years locked in WH40K-tier psionic arm wrestling. During that time he pulls off a truly slick ploy turning the Emperor's own mind rape against him and persuading him to end what would have been a total victory for the Sith into a Cold War with a fragile peace treaty. Revan can't just quit while he's ahead, though, and decides after finally being rescued by the Republic (aided by the criminally underappreciated KotOR II protagonist no less). Since he can't accept that he isn't the end all be all of Star Wars heroes, he tries to turn another Raktan war machine into a genocide engine against the Sith until the Empire's own heroes hand him a decisive defeat and the cries of millions of fanbois are suddenly felt in the Force.
But since Charles Boyd at Bioware can't let Revan the obsessive rip in peaches, it turns out that only half of him could learn his goddamn lesson. His darker, arrogant side somehow wills himself corporeal and tries to finish what he started by reviving the Sith Emperor so Gravel Voiced Revan can kill him in person. Trouble is that this was all according to keikaku and the Emperor wanted to be resurrected by Revan's sacrificial mini war so he could fly away as a ghost into the biggest gaping hole in the lore since the Vong.
TL;DR: Boy needed therapy.
▶ No.1113>>1142
>>1110
this is why swtor is disregarded. disney really needs to override that shit already, but at the same time leave it alone.
also, i feel that if the exile wasn't canon female, she might have received better recognition, because you know they played it for diversity points (yes even back in 04) as opposed to good storytelling and characters.
▶ No.1125>>1128 >>1135
>>1096
I tried that but it was really boring and didn't seem to go anywhere. Juhani isn't even that attractive so she doesn't have the waifu appeal to make up for it.
I actually think the Carth and female Revan romance is the most interesting because it isn't nearly as cliché as Bastila with male Revan and you end up finding out everything about Carth's past at the same time even if he's a miserable dick most of the way through.
▶ No.1127>>2014
>>1068 (OP)
>being a sith
>nothing wrong
WEW
▶ No.1128>>1132 >>1135
>>1125
I tried to get his romance with a female character, but I missed some conversation or quest and just said fuck it.
I need to replay both KoTORs someday.
▶ No.1132>>1141
>>1128
If you try the Carth romance route again, you should try to complete it before going to Korriban because it affects the Dustil Onasi encounter.
▶ No.1135
>>1125
IIRC you don't need to romance carth for his quest, but it goes faster.
>>1128
Canderous was a better mandalorian than any fett
▶ No.1142>>1145 >>1146
>>1110
The only Revan's flaw is that he's typical Bioware protagonist and I too prefer exile over Revan, though perhaps exile is also typical Obsidian protagonist, basically your nobody with amnesia whom you have to build yourself almost entirely which is a good thing, background story including. He's just not so special compared to Revan who I felt was very important in KOTOR 2 as well. Maybe that's why exile is underappreciated, he hardly can be considered epic chosen one messiah. I think it's good that exile is not so popular, at least they didn't write shitty book about him and Disney didn't make something like Kylo Ren.
>>1113
Bullshit, back in 04 exile was male, even trailers for the game suggest this. Even on pic related he's male. He became female because of New Essential Guide to Droids which came in 06 and IIRC it were Bioware who gave the exile a name and a face which has nothing to do with in-game portraits.
Can't say that it ever mattered to me, I always considered exile a male. It's quite difficult for me to imagine that exile is a female and perhaps the most memorable thing about female exile for me was her "relationship" with Sion. Male playthroughs were more memorable, the same Handmaiden is more interesting and important compared to Disciple, you actually can make him a jedi without leaving Enclave. Also, didn't she "canonically" joined female exile even though you can't get her if you're playing female? Seems like even people who made him female admit that male exile was more interesting.
▶ No.1145>>1156
>>1142
I don't exactly prefer Meetra Surik (defined identity for the Jedi Exile) over Revan, but I do think that Revan's been overexposed for publicity and shekels while most KotOR II material just sat in the toy chest unused. She did play a role in the "Revan" novel that served as one of the prequels to The Old Republic MMORPG, but that story ended with her death and transubstantiation into the Force.
I actually think Revan's character development took an interesting turn even if Charles Boyd, the worst writer at BioWare, shat the bed with him in his last story arc. The funny thing is that Chris Avellone, an Obsidian alumnus, is usually the one ruthlessly and sardonically deconstructing RPG and fantasy tropes. Drew Karpshyn, meanwhile, tends to play them unapolgetically straight and yet ended up turning Revan into almost a tragic deconstruction of single player WRPG protagonists. Constantly saving the universe from something he kind of made worse in the first place.
▶ No.1146
>>1142
Why do you think the Disciple is in that picture?
▶ No.1156>>1157 >>1173
>>1145
The exile's death seems like one big Fuck You from Bioware. Revan gets to live for centuries and dual wield sabers and gets a big part. The Exile gets to be killed off in a fucking Tie In.
▶ No.1157>>1168
>>1156
Bioware was likely envious that Obsidian made a better kotor game.
▶ No.1168>>1191
>>1157
this is not surprising, and also the reason why fallout new vegas wasn't awarded a GOTY status, jewthesda paid metacritic to put it one point below so they wouldn't have to pay a bonus.
▶ No.1173>>1178
>>1156
Her ghost appears in TOR for the Republic-specific flashpoint (dungeon) quests. She's responsible for keeping Revan's psyche intact and convincing the Jedi and Republic to rescue him from an ultra-security prison hidden inside a volatile nebula.
Then Revan gets post-thaw insanity and Imperial heroes kill him and take his pants for the endurance bonus.
▶ No.1178>>1191
>>1173
>there are more force ghosts besides obi-wan, anakin, yoda and qui-gon
while i didn't mind it in the other video games since they were mostly sith, it just seems out of place for swtor imo
▶ No.1191
>>1168
My only regret is that they weren't able to finish kotor 2 properly because Lucas fucked them even harder than Bethesda. They couldn't even make patches for the game.
>>1178
This is Bioware under EA, what did you expect, good writing? Wasn't Revan book enough for you?
▶ No.1245>>1246 >>1272 >>1574 >>2887 >>2901
>>1088
I'm guessing he wrote this sort of cool character, then turned around and watched as the Obsidian writing team blew him and the other Bioware writers the fuck out of the water
KoTOR 2's writing and character design is on another fucking level that Bioware just couldn't compete with. I think they were all so desperate to retcon everything Obsidian did that even Drew said "fuck it, fuck you, fuck everything" and ruined his own creation.
▶ No.1246>>1250
>>1245
no wonder bioware sells so well, it's literally for kids.
that being said, the last comparison is what does it for me, obsidian has always had pro-tier writing and it almost feels like a modern shakespeare for video games. speaking of obsidian, has anyone here played tyranny? i want to get into it but it's hella expensive, so i'm waiting for a sale.
▶ No.1250>>1253
>>1246
Why do you think kotor 2 is so underrated compared to the first one.
Don't bother with Tranny or even with Obsidian future games, they lost all their talents including Avellone who wrote kotor 2 and all the games prior to Pillars of Eternity where Obsidian butchered his writing and that is the reason why he left. New Vegas was their last good game.
▶ No.1253>>1258
>>1250
should i bother with pillars then? i got it on sale for cheap but haven't really played it.
▶ No.1258
>>1253
Well, since you already own it why not to give it a try. Personally I find it quite mediocre, though it still has some decent moments.
▶ No.1272
>>1245
I wouldn't say that. Karpshyn and Avellone were in contact when the former was writing "Revan" and the Jedi Knight class story for TOR and the later's input mostly amounted to "I guess, whatever you want. Your writing."
Drew even ended up thinking that the feminine dark side entity that shows up in the Sith Warrior's storyline is Kreia because that was his favorite KotOR II character and Chris shrugged about it just to be a tease.
▶ No.1545
>>>1110
that's all a bunch of fake bullshit and kreia is a pretentious edgy bitch who made up everything she said for the sake of confusing the shit out of everyone. if revan didn't act then the sith lord would have showed up anyways and taken advantage of the mandalorians fucking shit up as a giant distraction anyway and the sith lord was probably responsible for causing what the mandalorians were even doing in the first place.
the jedi counsel were a bunch of arrogant cucks who sniffed their own farts and were just as evil as the sith and the mandalorians but for completely different reasons. (the same stupidity that the jedi all have in the original trilogy.
revan is a true hero.
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▶ No.1574
>>1245
Meh, I think both games are enjoyable from different standpoints.
If you just want to play as your own OC jedi and don't care that much about story, you can go for KoTOR 1, though I think you can still enjoy the story as if it's a cheesy movie rather than a serious plot.
If you want a compelling plot and better writing overall, play KoTOR 2.
▶ No.1575
Niggers, Revan did absolutely nothing wrong.
▶ No.1907>>1908 >>2360
Ignoring the mess of tortanic why did Revan start larping as sith anyway? Exar Kun's lot were initiated into the sith mysteries by ancient spooks but Revan's greatest involvement with that was poking around the ruins of Korriban and Malachor V
▶ No.1908>>1939 >>1984 >>2001 >>2360
>>1907
There's no explanation if you've decided to ignore TOR.
▶ No.1939
>>1908
>There's no explanation if you've decided to ignore TOR.
Hmmm?
I guess I had always assumed that the sheer carnage and hellishness of the various battles in the Mandalorian Wars, as described by Bao-Dur, made him cynical about certain aspects of Jedi doctrine -- as well as tainting his heart with impure emotions, and of course naturally teaching him to lead (control) others. Cynical enough that by the time he reached Rakata Prime he had no qualm manipulating the locals to get to the Star Forge – where I assume he crossed the point of no-return into full-on 'I am the Lord of All' territory.
Heck, by defying the Jedi Council he would've known (at least in the back of his mind) that they would've 'revoked' his status & lightsaber (a la The Exile) had he returned; so it's safe to say that he, at least implicitly, first abandoned Jedi teachings by going to war: thus making the descent all the more easy.
▶ No.1984
>>1908
Wrong, the Sith Emperor was already built up in the first two games and comics, and it was always mentioned that when Revan conquered a place he actually strengthened it in the end. He was always preparing for the war
▶ No.2001
>>1908
In other words not wrong at all. The MMORPG makes this a key chapter in the background exposition. All it did was settle the matter that Revan was corrupted by another character instead of getting a contact high from the dark side energy in the Star Forge, and it explains how he even knew that "The True Sith" were still out there in any meaningful capacity to begin with.
▶ No.2014
>>1127
The Sith did nothing wrong
Source: Darth Bane's quotes
▶ No.2047>>2059
Reminder SWTOR is to be disregarded alongside disney's garbage and we'll never know what happened to Revan.
▶ No.2059
>>2047
this
the only thing i like out of swtor revan shit is that they had revan and the exile team up. beyond that it was pure trash.
▶ No.2069
>>1110
90% of that gets invalided when you invalidate SWTOR lore like most sane individuals do.
▶ No.2360>>2486
>>1907
why did Revan start larping as sith anyway?
>>1908
>There's no explanation if you've decided to ignore TOR.
Did neither of you play KotOR 2? Did you just not talk to Kreia at all? One of the most important quotes she has on Revan is: "Perhaps Revan never fell. The difference between a fall and a sacrifice is sometimes difficult, but I feel that Revan understood that difference, more than anyone knew. The galaxy would have fallen if Revan had not gone to war."
If you actually talk to her and read between the lines, she essentially explains everything that happened. Revan went to war on the Mandalorians not explicitly to save the galaxy from them, but to discover why they were invading in the first place. He came across lost Sith worlds and discovered that the Mandalorians were being manipulated by the true Sith, who were waiting on the edges of unknown space. They had tricked the Mandos into waging war on the Republic to test the Republic's strength and weaken them before an invasion. Revan realized that the Sith would be impossible to defeat, since the Republic could barely stand up to the Mandalorians and the Sith Empire was much stronger. He started to look for ways to solve this problem and came across the Star Forge, but this was an artifact of the dark side and it would corrupt any who tried to use it. Revan chose to 'fall' to the dark side by using the Star Forge to build an army capable of defeating the Mandalorians. He then waged war against the Republic with the sole purpose of encouraging widescale militarization of the Republic to prepare it against the actual invasion of the Sith. Kreia even talks about how he specifically left the Republic's infrastructure and military production facilities intact.
▶ No.2397>>6397
>>1068 (OP)
>Revan
Daily reminder that the fucking (((hack))) couldn't even stop himself from stealing ideas from vidya.
▶ No.2486
>>2360
I did, but I don't take the explanations or opinions of characters necessarily as lore dumps. They are frequently unreliable narrators especially in Star Wars where Lucas or Che retconning something taken at face value by readers was not uncommon. Kreia's head was pretty far up Revan's ass and she was rather sure she'd cracked the code and discovered the real truth the normalfag sheep couldn't get about the Force.
▶ No.2885
>>1069
>tfw actually felt like a grandmother to me
>ready to defend her with my life
>game breaking glitch happens and am unable to finish the game
I am still salty over that. Right at the climax.
▶ No.2886
CARTH ONASTI SMELLS OH SO NASTY
▶ No.2887>>2907
>>1245
>reading Sion's lines
Fuck. Even if there wasn't much to him as a character, everything else about him made me shit my pants.
▶ No.2890
>>1110
What the shit? Revan and the Exile were supposed to be right dammit. The Jedi Counsel was supposed to reform because of their arrogance, what the fuck?
▶ No.2901>>2907
>>1245
Fuck, even Darkhorse's comics wrote Revan and (M)Alek better than Bioware. That stuff is genuinely charming or dramatic when it tries.
>Sion's legitimate threat
Oh yes. And don't forget the inhuman creepiness of Nihilus. Really drove home another extreme of Dark Side power.
▶ No.2907>>2908 >>2938
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>>2901
>>2887
his VA really nailed it. something about an evil scotsman really gets me.
▶ No.2908
>>2907
Jeez, I'd completely forgotten that wail of the damned he spouts. That was actually disturbing.
▶ No.2938>>6364
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>>2907
Evil granny is no slouch either.
▶ No.6364>>6402
>>2938
look we are self referencing with the acknowledge that you gain exp and fucking level…..
▶ No.6397>>11784
>>2397
Just out of curiosity how many scenes in the nutrilogy does Darth Edgy use his faggy lightsaber to cut his wrists?
▶ No.6402
>>6364
And? It was well-done, unlike most serious takes on that.
▶ No.11775>>11793
Recently finished playing through KOTOR II with fem-exile because I had heard somewhere that was the canon exile. Also downloaded a big-ass modpack from reddit that changed one of the female models and portraits to look like the canon Meetra Surik so I figured may as well try it.
▶ No.11784
>>6397
None unfortunately.
▶ No.11793>>11794 >>11845
>>11775
Following Bioware canon while playing KotOR and KotOR 2 is one of the worst things you can do for your play experience. When you play both games you should really just ignore TOR and make your own Revan and Exile.
▶ No.11794>>11845 >>11846
>>11793
Didn't really follow TOR beyond making the Exile a chick, as I don't know what happened in TOR besides everyone in 'round here being extremely rustled over it. Unless all the lightside options are canon too, because I'm that boring motherfucker that always picks the "good" choices on his first playthrough.
▶ No.11845
>>11794
>>11793
**The Exile being female was canon long before TOR. In 2006 there was a book called "The New Essential Guide to Droids" referred to her as a chick when talking about the droids in KOTOR.
What Bioware did in TOR was give her an actual name before killing her off so they could wank to how awesome Revan was while pretending KOTOR 2 never happened.**
▶ No.11846>>11890
>>11794
>Unless all the light side options are canon
They always are.
▶ No.11890>>11898 >>11906
>>11846
It bugs me to no end that even the light side options for Dark Side characters are the canon choice. Especially for a Bounty Hunter whose choices are all limited as fuck and range from evil, douche, jerk and somewhat less jerky or evil. However limited choices seems to be the norm for SWTOR…
▶ No.11898>>11932
>>11890
>Always lightside
>Always
because the "one time" the darkside choices are canon The Empire happen. At least, thats what I assume is suppose to be the idea behind it.
▶ No.11906>>11937
>>11890
It really pisses me off because the most fun things to do in both TOR or KotOR is have an actual arc. Start your character as a dick and half way through make them realize their wrongs and switch to full lightfag, or maybe start them light and slowly watch as they give way to the darkness through temptation or anger. Arcs are what good storytelling is all about so why totally negate that in your role playing game all about storytelling? Someone who does the right thing all the time is boring, hence why Mary Sues are so hated.
Right now I'm working my way through The Old Republic to pick up a few class stories, and I'm doing an Imperial Agent who was full on Empire Forever until he realized the Empire had implanted mind control codes in his mind to subdue him when they wanted, from there he started rethinking his methods and became lightside and less helpful to the Empire more using them as a tool to gain his freedom. A good arc makes a story worth telling, just picking the same option on every event because it's the "light side" or "dark side" option and you might as well not even be playing an RPG.
▶ No.11932
>>11898
By that token, when the light side choices are canon what you get is a festering, inept bureaucracy half under the thumb of a cult of religious fanatic super solders.
I mean, the Empire still has the latter but at least it's only 2(+ Secret Police). Star Wars is low key grimdark in that respect.
▶ No.11937>>11941
>>11906
That's the one disadvantage of having your morality system tie in to gameplay mechanics, you incentivize players to either be insufferable do-gooders or puppy-kicking assholes in order to make the most of your powers. Of course, combat in KOTOR is so easy you might as well exclusively use powers opposed to your alignment in an effort to make the game stay challenging for longer.
▶ No.11941
>>11937
>either be insufferable do-gooders or puppy-kicking assholes in order to make the most of your powers
This is made more obnoxiously evident with the Sith Warrior's companion Jaesa, who you can't romance without her going full puppy-kicking edgelord and talking about bathing in blood and fucking other people and acting like the edgiest tryhard sith imaginable regardless of whether or not you made more light side choices.